This is discussion archived from a time before the current discussion method was installed.
Mikado: Someone should do a troper tales page for this and the shotacon entry. That way, we know who to report to the police.
Animeg3282: Got a question about the fruits baskets examples- is it really lolicon if your love interest is technically an adult? There's no canon shots showing that the spoiler couples did anything before say, the age of 16 or so...[my cut off for loli, subjective,yes]
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Adonic Meki: Removed the shotacon examples since it has its own page.
Seth: The
Loli redirect is useless, it is linked everywhere as Lolicon and it could only serve as a link trap at best. Someone has been going nuts with the redirects recently. Stop it.
Citizen: Hello there, Seth, we meet again... I don't know about this redirect rampage you refer to, but I did not expect such a strong response on this page. Thinking of Loli as an anime character type, I thought a redirect might be useful. It was called Loli and linked to Lolicon on at least one page here somewhere, possibly not even by me. ^^
Ununnilium: I'd say it's useful.
Just a reminder, the age of consent in Japan has been raised to 16 for females. 18 for males. Enforcement appears spotty.
Cassius335: Where'd you hear that, Blaise? Wiki still has the japanese age of consent listed as age 13 for both males and females.
Duckluck: Yeah, I did a quick search of Google news and found nothing to indicate that it had been changed, and one blurb that indicated that it hadn't. Unless someone can track down solid evidence, I'm going to say that Blaise was misinformed.
Citizen: Might that be age for marriage?
abcd_z: *ahem*
http://legal.3yen.com/2005-07-27/is-the-age-of-consent-in-japan-really-13/
Flaser: *nods at abcd_z*
The age of consent as dictated by law is "13". What most people forget is that a "law" isn't the only regulation one must obey:
"Municipalities and prefectures have their own particular laws such as Tokyo’s “Youth Protection Law” which prohibit adults from having sex with youths who are under 17 years old. Because the age of consent in Japan ranges from 13 to 18, depending on jurisdiction."
Citizen:
"You and your dad are really close, Konata."◊
Cassius335: Heh. What series is that from?
SAMAS: Lucky Star, I believe.
Duckluck: Am I the only one who's bothered by the fact that we don't use the term "pedophilia" anywhere in the main body of the text? I mean it's not as if there's any question that that is what a Lolita complex is, so why are we dancing around it by calling it a "fetish" or an "obsession?" Something about the way this page dances around the issue really just rubs me the wrong way.
Cassius335: Let's keep the politics out of this. This is supposed to be a FUN site. Besides, look at the second quote up top.
Duckluck: What politics? "Lolita Complex" means female-oriented pedophilia. That's just what it is. Also, I haven't seen the SVU episode in question, but the way it's described over at There Should Be a Law implies that the episode in question tried to be condemnatory, but wound up just being stupid. Either way, it still seems like we should mention pedophilia in there some where. Especially since, according to US law, drawings of children in sexual positions are still considered to be Child Porn (and therefore, a felony and sex offense). Actually it turns out there are some politics...
- Fuzzy Boots
- I'm not entirely certain if that particular law is still on the books... I remember when it was trotted out (with much panic among the Sailor Moon fandom who suddenly realized that they'd been writing stories and drawing pics of underage kids, something which had apparently escaped their notice previous) and when it was repealed. I remember it got replaced by a similar law which was again overturned. A major issue was ambiguity. The law essentially said that if the subjects looked underage, then it was illegal which led to much question of whether it had suddenly become illegal for people of age, but of a pettanko build, to post pictures of themselves.
Big T: First off, no it doesn't. LC refers to female-oriented Ephebophilia, as Lolita only becomes unattractive after she becomes an adult. A person with a lolita complex exclusively likes girls that are under the age of consent. "Female-oriented pedophilia," as you put it, covers both more and less. But I digress from my point...
I think Cassius was using the term "politics" loosely to cover topics that can start arguments. While loli and lolicon are mostly connotation-neutral, pedophilia has a decidedly negative connotation, and is more likely to put people into argument mode. (Heck, it worked on me.) This just isn't something we want on this site, as it is supposed to be fun.
Cassius335: Exactly. Thank you.
SpiriTsunami: If that is what it means, then there's been some semantic drift over time. If we are indeed using Lolita and its Unreliable Narrator as our basis, then it is supposedly rare for someone to maintain these characteristics much past the age of 14. Yet on this site, stuff usually does get linked to Lolicon in the Ephebophilia cases, and anything that's actually pedophilic just ends up linked to Squick, a bit of a peeve of mine, one that goes into Berserk Button territory when the older person in the relationship is also fairly young (I'm mainly thinking of all of those Mahou Sensei Negima examples with one of the 15-year-old girls with a crush on 10-year-old Negi, but I also remember at least one such occurrence with someone denouncing the Felix/Sheba ship this way—18 and 14, respectively). I've also seen the phrase "a bit to young to be a loli, even" applied after calling someone a Token Loli—when said person was 11, smack-dab in the center of Humbert's 9-14 range. This is all just semantics anyway, because we all know that true perfection comes at age 16. XD No, seriously. Ask any modeling agency. Well, actually, they've banned underage models from the runways now, because they're trying to do something about the self-esteem issues women supposedly have. The 16-year-old girls were just too perfect; it wasn't fair to any of the adults who were supposed to be trying to emulate them (or not, one would hope). Okay, I'm finished now.
Tricksterson: So maybe we need an official site definition? Just my personal proposal but under 10 would be relegated to Squick, 10 to 14 as Lolicon and maybe a separate category, say Jail Bait for the 14-18 year olds? Just a suggestion. As for the legal questions since the age of consent varies all over the world, some nations not even having one, and even in the US it varies from state to state I suggest we leave that argument alone.
Drow Lord: Might just be due to the page reverts, but just in case... Amy is the
gothloli character from
Soul Calibur, not Tira.
Brickman: Removed Romeo and Juliet reference: At the time, that WAS the standard age at which people got married and started trying to have kids. Just because it's taboo now doesn't mean it was even out of the ordinary when people lived half as long as they do today.
Citizen:
"There aren't many boys who can resist little girls..."◊ =P (
Omamori Himari)
Ogreunited: apologies but is not the realtionship between Colosus and Shadow Cat from the xmen comics a good example of this (though admiterly a westeren version)
Jisu: Who moved the caption to below the picture? It's like that
usually, but for this one, it's supposed to be above.
Xavius: To me, "Lolicon" will always sound like a laughing smiley (:D).
Foton: pretty much a comment, but some may invoke an "Our Lolis Are Different" thing, in the sense that any character is loli as long as they have
flat chest, even if they are
Really 700 Years Old, in which if said character are of that age, so much the better, as it goes around the
Unfortunate Implications.
Regiment: Wait... "Lolicon" is sometimes written "roricon" because it... comes from the English and French? Just because the Japanese pronounce something a certain way doesn't make it
correct. That's like saying that the cathedral "Notre Dame" is pronounced like the American mispronounciation.
Twin Bird: But "lolicon," even though the words it's made from are English, comes directly from Japanese, where it's technically "rorikon." If you were to be faithful to English and French, it would be "lolicom." Really, the bastardization "lolicon" has no grounding other than "just having stuck somehow."
Troper: I think the Evangelion example should be removed, because 14 year old Asuka and Rei are clearly way past puberty. It would better fit into a jailbait trope (in the US) if one exists.
Cassius335: Um, Fast Eddie? Can we have the pic back, please? The original one, from before Dragon Quest Z changed it. (And why now to put up a "no images" tag, when this trope has had a pic on it for some considerable time? Are you doing that "I hadn't got round to being offended until now" thing my mother used to do?)
Fast Eddie: More like I'm not interested, so I haven't seen it in years. Putting images on these items that the ad server already flags causes the article to be dead weight, revenue-wise. The article works fine without a picture.
Westrim: Since when was this site about revenue? Since when was locking pages okay? And since when did we need a reason to put a picture on a page? But, if you need one I'll give you several; it sums up the concept pretty well, it's funny, it's been there for a while with no issues and it gives the page some color, which is useful on any page as it keeps the intro from just looking like a wall of text. That's four; you might have the revenue thing, which, again, I did not realize was the point of the Wiki.
EDIT: Changing it back again and relocking the page without even commenting isn't very cool Eddie.
Tricksterson: If you're not interested what are you even doing on the topic, much less interfering?
On Allison Harrington - she may be theoretically post-pubescent, but she is not normal height for an Asian woman. She is not anywhere near normal height for an Asian woman. Two-thirds Honor's height is the size of a seven-year-old girl. Even rounding up a generous couple inches is 130 cm - child or dwarf height. This is what a proportionate adult dwarf Allison Harrington's height looks like (The guy's very tall, take off 20 cm to get to Allison's husband's height). Weber's thing for writing frequently pregnant women the size of elementary schoolgirls (yes, there's more than one in the Honorverse) probably fits here better than it fits anywhere else, especially with the way Allison's tiny size is overtly sexualized. I suppose it could go in Author Appeal.
- I could go over this point by point, but I'll just say that short doesn't equal loli. She's still a 100 year old, 30's looking woman that is stated to make the armsmen feel mothered. Not a loli. If you want to discuss the rest, we can start a forum thread.
Midonin: I'm trying to remove the
Strike Witches entry from the article, as it doesn't really fit — aside from the character designs, almost no elements of the actual lolicon thing in there. But with the article locked...
Jethro Q Walrustitty: Is the article locked? It needs to be added to the
Trope Names From The Japanese index.
Willbyr: It must be; I tried to put the picture back in and couldn't get the edit page link to work.
Tricksterson: Who locked it and why?
Westrim: I'm pretty sure it was Fast Eddie, presumably annoyed with the restoration of the image and unwilling to explain himself further than "page is not a source of revenue." Look a couple conversations above.
Tricksterson: Well, is there anyway to unlock it?
Muninn: Probably by getting either Fast Eddie or Janitor to do so. From the way Eddie kind of just dropped in here, locked it, and ddropped out of the conversation, chances of him unlocking it are probably slim.
Deuxhero:I'd like "Note to be confused with an Ephebophile." added above the examples line somewhere if one of the admins feels like doing it.
SpiriTsunami: Ah, so I'm not the first to notice this.
Citizen:
Forum discussion about this page being locked. And Janitor just wiped all the examples. Go figure.
Mac Phisto: who the hell is this Janitor guy? seems like quite the sociopath
Deuxhero: And Janitor couldn't bother linking to Ephebophile while v was at it?
Pyrix: Why were all of the examples removed? While it does explain a lot of the article as a whole having the examples provided flavor for the article and also told you which series' had it and what not.
Red XVII: I don't see how examples are offensive, illegal, or whatever. Moreover, the forum discussion seems deleted as well. It really seems unfounded ...
Wascally Wabbit: Now that its locked and exampleless, could we perhapse bite the bullet and include the word 'paedophile' in the text?
Somfin: Nope. Can't change a damn thing.
What the fuck? is Tv Tropes getting sabotaged from the inside or what is going on here? Why would anyone ruin the article removing all pertinent examples and then lock it? Aren't there admins this can be reported to or something? It seems like a total act of vandalism.
- There are admins, they're the ones who did it.
- Fair enough. Can we keep the removed examples here for posterity? This is the kinda stuff discussion pages are for, right?
- Can we get the Shotacon page locked too, please? I don't see any reason why it should get away.
- 'Just mentioned it on the forums, and it has been locked. DOUBLE-LOCK WIN.
alighieri: Seriously, is T Vtropes now finally turning into another Wikipedia for good, with admins doing basically whatever they want and "big name" editors getting the right to simply decide what's good enough to get included into their pet articles? It doesn't look like there was even a vote on this, some guy just came along and say "no more examples, also locked."
It would most certainly seem that way, it's not just tvtropes either, over at rule34 they are deleting the lolicon images, though the started with toddlercon, which I admit Im partly glad for. At any rate it would seem there is a trend towards asshattery and extreme censoring lately, just wait a little and the term itself will be a banned word. And since sadly enough the ones pulling tha crap over here are the admins themselves I think we should start a new tvtropes, hell one of the core principles of this site was there is notability, however now it looks like lolicon examples are not notable, screw that, we need either a change in admings to some who dont have sticks so far up their asses they come out of their mouths or a new site period.
Komodin: The lolicon "examples" weren't cut for not being "notable," it's because the admin responsible most likely thought the page would work best as an exampleless (and perhaps, less Flame Bait-ish) article.
You misunderstand, namely because I didn't explain properly, what I mean is that every other trope with pertinent examples includes them in its article, because there is no notability any trope with an example gets added when someone finds it, however, excempting lolicon from that goes against the notability principle. It's not that the asswipe who vandalized the article did it because it wasnt notable, its just that his vandalism contradicts the principle of no notability, regardless of his motives, which seem to be revenue as stated above before they stopped showing their face and vandalizing from the shadows. As for flamebait, this is the internet, everything is flammable, and I for one think its a much more honest and respectable to be flamed for sensitive subjects than for censoring and vandalism. This is a fun site, not a business for some admins to be editing and censoring what doesnt give them revenue, if the site is doing that then it is clearly failing its purpose and either needs to change or be replaced.
Past Examples - Do Not Add To, Or Attempt To Revert
Examples:
Anime and Manga
- Mayu in Elfen Lied was sexually abused as a child by her step-father before she ran away.
- Sakura Kinomoto from Card Captor Sakura is infamous for her lolicon fandom; at ten years old, there's probably more Rule 34 of her than of any other shoujo heroine.
- Likely fueled by her numerous ridiculously intricate battle costumes. Let us all give thanks for Tomoyo!
- Then you have Rika who's going out with her teacher, and gets engaged to him before she even starts middle school. He's still wiling to wait for a time, at least...
- Kosuna from Desert Punk is an odd case as the character was redesigned for the anime and had her whole apparent modified to be significantly shorter and cuter.
- Some of Wataru's sisters in Sister Princess can be viewed as catering to lolicon.
- "Some of?" Out of twelve girls, only three are 16-17; some are 8, 9, or 10. That's pretty loli to me...
- Neon Genesis Evangelion very subtly hints at the possibility that NERV Commander Gendo Ikari is sexually involved with 14-year-old mecha pilot Rei Ayanami. Until you learn that he cloned her as a replacement for his dead wife. What are you supposed to conclude then?
- Also, 14-year-old mecha pilot Asuka Langley Soryu is very smitten indeed with Misato Katsuragi's late-twenties ex-boyfriend Ryoji Kaji, and throws herself at him quite aggressively. To his credit, he always declines her offers — though this may be less due to his morals than to the fact that Asuka is, to put it gently, seriously disturbed.
- Rizelmine, a series which revolves around the (initially unrequited) love between a 12 year old synthetic human girl and her 15 year old crush (who has the reverse of a Lolita Complex — he likes mature (25-30) women). Made more disturbing by the fact that in order to biologically grow up, Rizel needs the 15 year old's "love" (in both the physical and spiritual sense). A RunningGag in the show is that Rizel is too innocent (being only 12) to realize how perversely what she is saying can be taken, but the protagonist is definitely not.
- In Steel Angel Kurumi, the general's obsession with Karinka.
- Paranoia Agent is not a lolicon show, but it has three plot lines about the phenomenon, both done very disapprovingly: a twisted otaku who obsesses over underage girls, a pedophile who puts a hidden camera in his teenage daughter's bedroom, and the cop who, in his escalating attempts to pay of the Yakuza he is in debt to, goes nuts while robbing a family and is strongly implied to be about to rape the daughter.
- Hazumu's father's obsession with her after her transformation in Kashimashi Girl Meets Girl.
- Chika in Ai Yori Aoshi caters to lolicon (and Fanservice). She spends most her time in a swimsuit and gets naked at least three times as often as most of the other characters.
- Bludgeoning Angel Dokuro-chan hangs a lampshade on this repeatedly: part of the premise of the show is that Sakura is destined to create a longevity drug that has the effect of making all women stop growing at the apparent age of twelve — not for the good of humanity, but because he was attracted to young girls!
- This goon shared a theory with one of his minons that the whole reason for Sakura becoming a pedophile- and lets be frank, that's exactly what he would end up if this whole deal is true- is Dokuro's fault. I mean, if I had my head blown off my shoulders every time I inadvertently saw someone naked (and I saw someone naked as many times as Sakura unfortunately does), I would be quick to associate "Anything my age" to equal "death" and hence go down the dark path.
- Evangeline A.K. McDowell of Mahou Sensei Negima seems tailor-made for the lolicon crowd. She stopped aging when she became a vampire, so although she is actually very old, her body appears pre-teen (though her favored disguise is a well-endowed adult form). Similarly, the twins Fuuka and Fumika Narutaki are actually 15 in the series, but they look younger than their 10-year-old teacher.
- Don't forget about Chachamaru's alternate bodies. Those are designed in loli fashion, also. Some of the other characters (mostly Chisame) take on a loli form with the age deception pills.
- Makes sense, given that it is kind of well-known that Akamatsu got his start with Cardcaptor Sakura H-doujin...
- There's also Anya, who's the only genuine Loli in the series, all the others are either Older Than They Look, or are a Robot Girl.
- Higurashi No Naku Koro Ni — Dr. Irie has a complex about Satoko. Oddly, this is never taken seriously, he's shown to actually care about her as an authority figure, and he ends up an ally of the kids.
- Excel Saga has Dr. Shiouji, who blatantly eyes prepubescent girls and models the android Roppanmatsu II after them; he later takes the young Cosette to a love hotel, although that backfires. Roppanmatsu II herself spends an episode lusting after the (relatively) adult Excel and eventually has apparent (non-consensual) sex with her off-camera. (As is the style for the series, all of this is played as over-the-top slapstick.)
- The manga goes a bit further into Dr. Shiouji's psychology, stating that mature women fail to attract him because of his overbearing mother with a disturbingly physical way of showing her love to... almost anyone she likes, actually. Also, it's clarified that although he stalks and photographs young girls without their knowledge, he wouldn't dream of actually molesting them — well, at least not act on those dreams. He did create the loli-robot Ropponmatsu II, or Nishiki as she is often called in the manga, and the innuendo between the two makes it almost certain that she wasn't made just for eye-candy.
- The young girls of Magical Girl Lyrical Nanoha were emblematic enough that there was a substantial backlash when StrikerS aged up the protagonists to 19. However, they haven't lost the lolis; Vita is still a child, due to her nature as a program, and new lolis Lutecia, Caro and Vivio were introduced in this season.
- Arf reverts to one after the events of the second season in order to consume as little of Fate's mana as possible, although her screen appearances in this form are little more than cameos.
- Bubblegum Crisis's Anri is a rolled up Ridiculously Human Robots & Robot Girl hybrid. She's also a specifically designed sex android with a physical appearance of being underage.
- Most Tokyo Mew Mew hentai doujinshi, of both couple and self-insert varieties, is of Ichigo, who begins the series at age 12 and ends at 13. The second most popular character for self-insert doujinshi is Pudding, who is no older than ten.
- When the American publication of the manga Kodomo No Jikan (under the title Nymphet) was announced, it was just as quickly canceled, after the publishers realized the difficulties of selling a manga that's all about an eight year old girl trying to seduce her teacher. The whole "I'm going to raise my stepdaughter to be a substitute for my dead wife" part probably doesn't help.
- Lucky Star: Konata's dad, Soujirou:
Soujirou: I not only like younger girls, but I like normal girls, too, so "I am also a lolicon" is correct.
Konata: You fail at life either way.
- In the Pokémon anime, many fans have noticed that May (ten years old) is...um...quite developed for her age. The writers also seemed to be fond of showing her in swimsuits.
- Somewhere else on this wiki, it was pointed out that the exact level of this development is not consistent, suggesting the use of a push-up.
- Not to mention Shorttank Misty/Kasumi, whose outfit in the manga by Toshihiro Ono, based on the anime, is essentially half a tube top and a bikini made out of denim pants — daisy dukes taken a bit too far, more or less. This is toned down in the US Manga, where her outfit is changed to a more reasonable tomboy outfit.
- Parodied in webcomic Megatokyo, where the protagonist's incarnate conscience disapproves of a younger girl who has a crush on him, so instead sets him up with someone of more suitable age.
- Jenny in Cosplay Complex is very forward about her passionate feelings for young Athena, very much to the dismay of Athena's older sister Maria.
- Rin from Mnemosyne probably counts, as her immortal girlfriend was in her young teens when she became an immortal. She also seems very aware how her relationship looks to others, and seems to enjoy watching people squirm over it.
- The female characters in the infamous Transformers: Kiss Players were intentionally drawn this way, despite the fact that every single one of them is over the age of twenty.
- While this may not seem all that bad at first, you then notice the insane overabundance of sexual imagery.
- In the Spiral manga sly Little Miss Badass Rio is actually seventeen and lives independently, but she looks like a shy twelve-year-old and uses it to her advantage. It actually becomes a joke as Ryoko calls Kousuke a Lolicon whenever she feels particularly jealous of his friendship with Rio. In the Prequel, after Kousuke is introduced as the "young detective," Imari asks if Rio is the "loli-loli detective."
- Azumanga Daioh's Chiyo-chan gets a certain amount of this. Yuri lolicon fans like to pair her with Sakaki. No, you can't ever un-read that. (Though, to be fair, some non-lolicon Yuri fans will set the story years after the story's end when she's older and then pair them up).
- One part of the Tenchi Muyo manga series (the second manga, that is) shows Sasami's guardian, the afro-styling Mamamiya (nom de guerre for her Juraian bodyguard) defending Sasami from random perverts eying her over. One scene shows the pervert-detector issued (yes, pervert detector) reading everyone in the area lusting after her.
- And for those who wonder, the Tenchi/Sasami pairing is in the top three of Tenchi Muyo fanfic ships. It helps that she's Really 700 Years Old... until you realize that she spent the vast majority of that in suspended animation. Some fanfics will merge Sasami with Tsunami in order to instantly increase her physical and mental maturity to match Tenchi's and thus avoid the lolicon.
- Then there's the ultimate mix, if you like furry loli ... Tenchi/Ryo-ohki. This does exist. Tho I would add Ryo-ohki as one of the saner girls.
- In the Gag Dub of Shin Chan, Action Bastard's sidekick is named Loli Pop. She is directly stated to sleep around, which Mr. Bastard finds disturbing.
- Devil May Cry The Animated Series introduced Patty Royale to the cast. This somewhat out-of-place element may have contributed to the Dis Continuity regarding the show, and she has not shown up in the games yet — or, as some fans might hope, if ever.
- In the manga, Dante is hired to find Alice, a young girl modeled after the titular Wonderland heroine. Of course, she's Older Then She Looks, being willingly a demon in order to stay young-looking. This is later subverted when, in an attempt to get Vergil's attention, Alice ages herself up into a teenage body.
- Moetan.
- All the SWA girls in Gunslinger Girl. They're all essentially in love with their handlers — all much older men, in or around their thirties — while the oldest among them, physically, is at most 14. (The exception to this is the new team, Petra and her handler Alessandro; Petra is 16 and Alessandro is much younger than the others.) Interestingly enough, the series' prototype was originally full-blown lolicon.
- Zettai Karen Children inverts, subverts, AND plays this one straight.
- Inverted: The three main 10 year-old espers are gaga over their 20 year-old handler Minamoto. Minamoto fights the good fight not to be a lolicon, but he gets treated as one constantly due to the way they overtly flirt with him and call him their boyfriend. Also, Kaoru, our Lovable Sex Maniac, has a thing for older, "bouncier" women.
- Subverted: Minamoto really isn't a lolicon and views the girls as children, much to their frustration (especially at being treated as children). The poor man is doomed, though, since he knows they will grow up to be very attractive women, and that he and Kaoru will be in love 10 years in the future when he has to kill her to save humanity. It doesn't help that his boss is actually trying to set him up with the girls.
- Played Straight: Naomi eventually snaps under the pressure of her trainer's Hikaru Genji Plan and becomes "Wild Cat." He hasn't given up yet. Starting around chapter 170 or so, we're treated to a 4koma showing a new young girl that he's training that Naomi hopes won't get the same treatment.
- Maybe Played Straight: Hyoubu gets accused of being a lolicon constantly.. Whether there is a sexual component to his interest is up for debate — the people of B.A.B.E.L. just assume it once he describes Kaoru as his future "Queen." Queen of Destruction, that is.
- Inverted in Midori No Hibi. While main character Seiji would love to have a girlfriend, he always blows off the advances of his 11-year-old neighbor Shiori, much to her frustration.
- The main characters in the anime Sky Girls are all 16 and 17 years old, but they're drawn to look like they're much younger. It doesn't help that they wear skimpy battle costumes.
- Ryofuko-chan does the whole lolicon shtick with the characters from Romance of the Three Kingdoms.
- This is the most common Fanon interpretation of 24-year-old Li Xingke's feelings for 13-year-old Empress Tianzi in Code Geass R2. And he's NOT likely to live for too long so he can wait for her to grow up, either.
- Strike Witches — 'nuff said.
- The characters around the age of Nagi Sanzenin, a 13-year-old, in Hayate The Combat Butler are clearly made to appeal to the lolicon crowd. There's even quite a number of Fanservice bits provided for said characters which, thanks to the nature of the series, are often lampshaded and lampooned. A character, Maria, is even disturbed when she observes that if the main character, a 16-year-old boy, were to fall in love with Nagi (and, due to a lot of misunderstandings, Nagi does believe he is in love with her) then: "A pedophile might be born."
- The 14 year-old Lucy from Steel Ball Run is frequently the target of several male characters' sexual desires (including an almost-hentai Attempted Rape scene by the president).
- In Fruits Basket, Sohma Shigure (secretly) likes high school girls. Shigure is 28. Also, his ultimate love interest, Akito, is in her early to mid twenties. Shigure may actually not be a lolicon, since he slept with Akito's mother. He claims this was because she slept with Kureno.
- While the age gap between Kureno and Akito, who he's slept with is smaller than that of Akito and Shigure, he does end up with Arisa, who is in her late teens.
- Whether Katsuya Honda (Tohru's father) was a lolicon or not, it didn't stop Kyoko from teasing him about falling in love with her when she was 14 (he, by comparison, was 20, so it's up in the air).
- There's also Kyo's adopted father Kazuma and Tohru's friend Hanajima. While the precise age difference is never given, it's at least twenty years, and the romance begins before she's out of high school.
- Yuki from Hourou Musuko seems to be both a lolicon and a shotacon, judging by the fact that she hit on a cross-dressing Yoshino, and then when she found out that Yoshino was a girl, she made a lecherous comment about 'satisfying' herself on Yoshino's 'budding breasts' while Yoshino is in the shower and can't hear her. Despite this and the fact that she's open about her attraction to Yoshino, both Yoshino and Shuu view her as a good-hearted, if sometimes weird woman.
- Though most of the Unwanted Harem in Rosario To Vampire are extremely attractive young women with large, obsessive followings in school, the 11-year-old witch doesn't develop hers until the day the newspaper club passes out the school newspaper. As seen in the manga, at least, with her running away from her... admirers... yelling "Lolicons are scary!"
- Shizuku, the Pettanko water-snake spirit in Omamori Himari, is fully aware of her appeal to lolicons and even declares at one point that there is "only room for one loli in the series".
- Mon Seul. 10 year old Minami loved Kanda, who stay together with her and his Oni-chan. Then one night, Oni-chan find out what happened.
- Takatou Iori is just a 16 years old boy who got hit by a truck to save a little girl. Then a mad scientist came and put his brain in 7-year old girl body. So, it comes to this, ICHINENSEI NI NACCHATTARA (If he become a first grader).
- In Haré+Guu, Dr. Clive has a thing for all attractive women, including young girls. He is only interested in what Guu says when she has her cute face on, and he seems particularly close to Marie.
- Gundam ZZ was perhaps the first true Gundam series to introduce a loli to the mix, while we had cute kids and robots in the earlier series, Puru was essentially a true lolicon bait in the sense she was kind of sexualized in a few ways (bathing scene, People Jars are two immediate examples). The fandom took it and enjoy it as they make jokes about Char's sexual tastes, dubbing him the ped comet.
- Ichigo Mashimaro has a fair bit of Lolicon fanservice, and Nobue from it is a female Lolicon — she spends the third episode of the anime getting Matsuri to dress up as a catgirl, then act the part, for instance.
- There's an example of this in Pandora Hearts with Vincent and Echo. Let me sum it up with Echo's words: 'I can't understand why he always wants me to sit on his lap all the time.' We do, Echo. So damn much.
- Haruka Nishida from Kanamemo is a lolicon combined with gratuitous amounts of Lovable Sex Maniac. Every episode she tries to molest Kana, Saki and/or Mika. She out and out states in the sixth episode of the series that she prefers girls between the ages of 7 and 15. She's basically what Nobue would be if Nobue had taken up booze over cigarettes.
- Adam Blade from NEEDLESS, despite his muscleman of a post apocalyptic world appearance, also loves the little girls. His reaction when he first saw Mio, a petite young girl with a teddy bear, was a nosebleed and Wingding Eyes, followed by rushing into battle more focused than ever.
- Satou from Welcome To The NHK undergoes a period as a lolicon (coupled with regular bouts of intense self-loathing at it) when he helps Yamazaki work on a H-Game, and engages in "research" to help flesh out the lolicon story path.
- Ichinensei ni Nacchattara: Mad Scientist Yume transforms Iori from high school boy to elementary school girl after his fatal Diving Save, supposedly because she "didn't have enough parts". She spends the entire series trying to photograph him and his schoolmates in compromising situations and force him to wear sexy underwear.
Comic Books
- In a recent Supergirl comic, Kara develops a big crush on Nightwing and ends up kissing him, which makes him look kind of like an Accidental Pervert. Apparently his charms don't just work on legal women...
- Hal Jordan once made out with an alien girl who was 14 years old. Years later we found out that their years were twice as long as those on Earth, which actually changes nothing.
- In Alan Moore's Lost Girls Alice, Dorothy and Wendy all have sexual encounters when in the 12-14 range.
- In Generations either volume 2 or 3, Time Travel escapades put a 14 year old Lana in touch with a 100+ year old Superman (though he still looks 30), and Lana learns that she will never get together with Superman so she begs him for a kiss before all the past occupants are mind wiped of the incident. To his credit, Superman does object to this at first and has to be convinced by his parents that it will do no harm given that its just a kiss and nobody is going to remember after its done.
- The series also features two great granddaughters of Superman who, due to an accident are stuck at a physically prepubescent age for more than a century. One of them falls in love with an adult Green Lantern. Fortunately, a power loss and subsequent repowering lead to one of the twins finally growing up and marrying an immortal super-powered Batman (it makes sense in the context of the series.)
- Robin in Return of the Dark Knight is a thirteen year old girl. Especially since in the sequel Batman admits that he loves her at the end. She's sixteen by then but he's 61 so it still counts IMHGO.
- The Clock, the very first American Golden Age comic book character, had Butch, a street-smart pre-teen girl who wanted to become his "moll." To his credit, the Clock was very uncomfortable with that and Butch eventually realized that it was futile and settled for being his plucky sidekick.
Film
- Mathilda, the young girl from the Luc Besson film Leon: The Professional, is no more than 13 years old, but engages in some disturbing banter with the hired hit man she stays with. At one point, she dresses up in lingerie (over her regular clothes) to sing Madonna's "Like A Virgin", and at one point, asks Leon to take her virginity (which he refuses). Much of this is because the character was originally written to be in her late teens; but it's telling that when then-thirteen-year-old Natalie Portman was cast, the character was not rewritten.
- From an old interview I once read, Natalie Portman was actually eleven when she was cast for the role, and twelve during production. The movie was released several months after her thirteenth birthday.
- Natalie Portman plays a similar roll in Beautiful Girls, though that movie is more of a comedy. She strikes up a chaste romance with a male character because she's an 'old soul'.
- and then there's her dressing up like an underage girl to help set up a corrupt clergyman in V. What is it with her? Not that I'm complaining.
- Shortly after, she hosted Saturday Night Live, and cast member Chris Parnell asks if she still has the outfit from Leon. Her reaction: "Okay, that's gross."
- The film Interview With a Vampire is an odd subversion, in that Kirsten Dunst was eleven years old when she played the role, but her character was a thirty year old vampire trapped in a child's body. Your Mileage May Vary on the Squick that results when she kisses Brad Pitt.
- Do note that in the original novel, the character was trapped in the body of a five year old. Your Mileage Will Not Vary there.
- Does Jodi Foster in Taxi Driver count?
- Also from Jodi foster: The Little Girl Who Lives Down The Lane. In that one, she plays a thirteen year-old in a relationship with a high-schooler. There was also another character who was definitely a lolicon.
- Don't forget her vampish speakeasy singer Tallulah from BugsyMalone. The character was an adult, but Foster sure wasn't.
- To a varying degrees in any version of Peter Pan but ohsomuch in the 2003 movie, Wendy Darling.
- Miette in City of Lost Children. In fact French use of this trope seems second only to the Japanese.
- Hard Candy applies the Fatal Attraction premise to the growing Lolicon trend.
Literature
- One Hundred Years Of Solitude: in his youth, Aureliano Buendia fell in love and managed to marry the incredibly young and pretty Remedios Moscote. The relationship was approved only because his intentions were serious and she was wise beyond her years. Although exact numbers were not given, it's said explicitly that she was so young that they had to put off the marriage until her menarche. Unfortunately, she becomes Too Good for This Sinful Earth and she dies during childbirth.
- And, of course, the Trope Namer Lolita.
- Vamped by David Sosnowski mostly averts this trope in that almost nobody's willing to have sex with vampires who look like children—much to the frustration of those vampires. However, one who's a main character manages a Last-Minute Hookup with a pedophile.
- In Lasher second book of Ann Rice's Mayfair Witches trilogy Mona Mayfair, thirteen, seduces the much older Michael Curry. He's not her first, just the first who's not a cousin. I guess she wanted a bit of strange.
- In John Ringo's Paladin Of Shadows series (as discussed here), there's an awful lot of this. The main character has sex with a fifteen-year-old prostitute at one point, and there's some nasty stuff involving one who's only twelve. Say it with me: "OH JOHN RINGO NO."
- Jessie in Stephen King's book Gerald's Game was molested as a child, and two of the voices in her head argue over whether she was a Lolita.
- In George RR Martins A Song of Ice and Fire series, Petyr "Littlefinger" Baelish becomes infatuated with the young Sansa Stark (so far) culminating in him giving her a not-innocent-at-all kiss on the lips.
- In David Weber's Honorverse, the life extension medication that has recently (last 100 years or so) become available also extends all the stages of life- and it's taken at 8-9 years old. This leads to naval officers looking about 12 to the eyes of societies without prolong, and adverse reactions even among those who do have access to it.
Live-Action TV
- Just about every discussion in which Stephanie from live-action children's show LazyTown comes up outside dedicated fan circles (as well as inside certain fan circles) has some adult male fan bring up her sexual attractiveness, despite the character being just eight (the actress is older, being 13 when she took the role). That and the brightly coloured, unreal-looking world have lead some non-fans to conclude the show is of Japanese origin or heavily influenced by anime.
- "Miri", an episode of the original Star Trek, featured Kirk giving the Kirk Treatment™ to a girl of about thirteen (Soft focus effect and all.) Of course, she was a couple centuries older than she looked (and the actress who played her was eighteen at the time of filming), but they didn't know that, and when they did, it was repeatedly stated that the long-lived kids matured just as slowly emotionally as physically (until finally mutating and going Ax-Crazy at adulthood and soon dying.)
Rand: Miri... she really loved you, you know.
Kirk: Yes. I never get involved with older women, Yeoman.
- The Dollhouse episode has Iris, a twelve year old with the mind of an older woman imprinted in her. YMMV on whether the tatoo scene is squicktastic, Fetish Fuel or just another scene.
Tabletop Games
Video Games
- In the Disgaea series, although Etna and Flonne are both thousands of years old, they are drawn as though they were twelve. Also, Laharl, who is also thousands of years old and drawn as though he were twelve, has an actual physical aversion to large breasts.
- Xianghua was the loli appeal character in Soul Calibur. She grows up by Soul Calibur II, so a new young girl, Talim, is brought in to the cast. By III, she's almost legal, so Amy becomes a playable character, who is also extremely goth.
- In the original version of Super Robot Wars Original Generation, Latooni Subota and Shine Hausen, are young girls (around 14 years old) who would go into battle wearing huge frilly dresses. This was toned done in both the Divine Wars anime and Original Generations remake, where they were given Latex Space Suits (like everybody else, mind you), but their Combination Attack "Royal Heart Breaker" which, we should mention, is performed in Humongous Mecha that look like young girls in huge frilly dresses, still shows them in their dresses with them acting incredibly cute, mecha and all. Even their teammates wonder what that attack says about the two men who designed the mecha (and even did the motion data for that attack).
- And then there's the fact a woman, who was already stated to be engaged, took quite the liking to them as well. Maybe Tsugumi is bisexual.
- It should then be noted that one of the guys who created the Royal Heart Breaker just happens to be her fiance.
- A lot of fan works pair Sanger with Irui.
- In School Days, all of the five heroines are 15 years old. But one of them, Setsuna Kiyoura, actually looks much younger than that. She's very aware of it as well, showing envy against her much curvier friend Sekai who may or may not be her paternal half-sister, at least in the Spin-Off game as well as towards Kotonoha, the girl with the biggest chest in the game.
- Also, in the Spin-Off game Summer Days which has Setsuna as the heroine, 13-year-old Kokoro (Kotonoha's little sister) joins Makoto's Unwanted Harem. And yes, you can have Makoto sexing her up. Japanese Media Watchdogs didn't like that at all.
- Lillith in the Darkstalkers video games is made all the more appealing to Lolicon fans by the fact that she is a succubus, just like her progenitor, the busty Morrigan.
- Ilya from Fate Stay Night is blatant with her attraction to Shirou. Since she looks about 12 and also happens to be Ax-Crazy, he's not interested. Despite this, the hentai fandom for that pairing is disturbingly large, and the fact that Ilya is never going to get physically older adds to the Squick. (For that matter, it's also technically incest.)
- Word of God says that Saber was "about 14" when she pulled the sword from the stone and therefore stopped aging. You may now squick.
- The Shingetsutan Tsukihime character Ren (Or Len for the purists) is an extremely moe lolicon idol to just about any fan of the series. Many references are made in both "official" and fan works suggesting that Shiki may have a lolicon streak, and result in his great infatuation with her... Though Ren is actually Arcueid's demon familiar who is able to change between the form of a little girl and that of a cat, and happens to be several hundred years old. This resulted in the famous internet meme A Cat Is Fine, Too.
- Albeit technically, by the end of Kagetsu Tohya and the beginning of Melty Blood, Len has already gone into Shiki's possession/protection as his familiar — she was dying trying to keep Shiki alive, and Arcueid, not being a Magus, cannot form a contract with her, while Shiki can, since he's a human and a Magus, albeit rather undeveloped in this regard. Best part of all this mess? Said contract is made by... yep, you guessed it, Intimate Healing. Takes the whole Lolita complex to an entirely new level.
- They have their Intimate Healing. Len is saved, all is well. They then proceed to have sex again, in spite of it no longer being necessary in the slightest. A whole new level indeed.
- The story of Stalvan and Tilloa (anagram of Lolita) from Worldof Warcraft mimics the story of Lolita.
- Well, except for the part at the end where Stalvan slaughtered Tilloa and her entire family like animals the first time she showed interest in another man, then went on to continue hunting and killing young women for years to come. Lolita wasn't exactly a fluffy, happy tale, but geez...
- One of the main characters in the Blade Runner Adventure Game is Lucy, a 14 years old girl whose makeup and clothing leave little to imagination (take a look◊). In case she is revealed to be a replicant, you can found out that she was created exactly to fulfill Lolita fantasies. Some of the dialogue suggests she may have more than a crush on the main character, and in one of the endings you can escape with her.
- Dirge of Cerberus, a TPS spin-off of Final Fantasy VII, introduced a 19-year-old girl stuck in the body of a 9-year-old named Shelke. She has memory fragments of the protagonist's old love interest in her mind and starts taking on bits of said love's personality—not to mention she's rather... developed... for someone who's supposed to be pre-pubescent...
- In SHUFFLE, Primula looks like she's about 12 (she's actually technically younger, being an artificially created being). Although the anime is pretty bad about this (an episode dedicated to buying her a bra?) it pales into comparison with the original H-game, where she has her own story (meaning that Rin can have hot, graphic sex with her!)
- It's not that unreasonable. The bra thing, that is, we'll ignore the part with the sex. It's not like she has no breasts. Actually, a joke is made at Maiyumi's expense because even Primula has larger breasts than she does.
- Also in Tick! Tack!, screwing around with the timeline can result in Nerine being reduced to a loli. This does not in any way dissuade Rin from boning her.
- In the game it is constantly emphasized that she is biologically almost the same age as the main character. The lolicon is largely through her behavior, which somewhat changes by the time she has a relationship with Rin. She is put only one year behind him in school. In the anime, where they have no relationship of that type, it's two years.
- In Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney — Trials and Tribulations Larry Butz has no issue with showing attraction to the 9-year-old Pearl Fey. Pheonix notes "... I'd think the fact that she's only 9 years old would break some rules somewhere!"
- Hell, the Ace Attorney games are fucking packed with this, or at least the potential for it given Phoenix's habit of attracting underage girls. He notably maintains an appropriate level of decency, but "Director" Hotti/Hickfield lusts after any and all female characters involved in a case (and also Phoenix, apparently).
- Is there a scene in the original Xenosaga featuring MOMO where she doesn't produce one or more Panty Shots?
- In fact, there is. While Albedo, arguably the main villain of the game, is in the process of scaring her into unconsciousness by means of ripping (cutting in the Japanese version) his limbs off there are quite a few of those floating around.
- Also, don't forget the fact that he's got a particular liking for artificial humans that look like 12-year-old girls. It really doesn't help that their dresses are ridiculously short for their intended age.
- In Harvest Moon: A Wonderful Life Special Edition,you can marry Lumina◊. In the japanese version,she's sixteen years old,but in the NA version she's eighteen. Most people mistake her for someone between the ages of eight - eleven. It doesn't help that in the original Wonderful Life games,she was fourteen..They didn't even change her appearence in SE.
- There's also Katie,who first appeared in Save the Homeland. She says she's an adult,but hardly anybody believes her.
- To an extreme case,there's Luna◊. She is rather short for her age,and acts like a child. In the "sequel", Animal Parade,she becomes taller,even taller then her sister.
- In Tales of Symphonia, there's Presea, a 28-year-old stuck in a 12-year-old's body. Regal was in love with her younger sister, who left home before Presea stopped physically aging.
- Well, once you think about it, Presea and Regal aren't too different in chronological age. So considering Alicia was old enough to work, she can't have been that much younger than Presea, so Alicia and Regal's ages probably aren't too far apart.
- Touhou features a long list of apparently (but not really) underaged characters. In fact, almost any character that is a Stage 1 or Stage 2 boss will be one. Vampires Remilia and Flandre Scarlet are also underaged. This is, however, only the less disputed Fanon interpretation. Because of the ambiguous age of the artwork, many characters are variably portrayed as either adult or underaged, Depending on the Artist. Suwako, in spite of being a mother, is still portrayed as prepubescent in most fan works. Squick. Her friend/rival/roommate Kanako is often portrayed as a buxom seductress, simply by the fickle power of the fans.
Western Animation
Real Life
- The age of consent is different depending on the time and place. Some sources have Muhammad marrying a nine-year-old girl (Muslims consider these documents apocryphal; they are not part of the Qur'an), but the Qur'an does not give a specific age of consent. It says marriage should occur "at maturity," which most Muslims believe to mean once puberty has taken place. Others have interpreted this to mean girls are marriageable much younger. Iran recently raised the marriageable age for girls to 13(!).
- And don't forget Jerry Lee Lewis, who married his thirteen-year-old cousin.
- While she still believed in Santa Claus...
- There is some debate as to whether Lewis Carroll /Charles Dodgson had a Lolicon sort of interest in Alice Pleasance Liddell and other girls. He photographed many nude young girls, but this was actually quite a popular non-erotic artform for the Victorians and may not even have been particularly unusual. Certainly there is some scholarly disagreement over what he actually felt and believed (it seems clear that he never actually had sex with a young girl).
- Saaya Irie. Full stop. It helps that she was remarkably well-developed even at the young age of 14.
Web Comics
- Absolutely everything drawn by webcomic artist Bleedman. Case in point.
Other
- This, my darling, is a device. A device many men and many women have died to see, to understand, and to own. In many ways it is like one of your toys, but a toy for adults. This, darling, is The Loli Clock.
- Snow White And The Seven Dwarfs (In non-Disney version, Snow White is seven years old when she flees her stepmother. Unless she spend more than 8 years with dwarfs, the princess is clearly the lolicon.)