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Reformed123
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05:14:23 PM Mar 8th 2014
edited by 69.204.185.226
Gen Urobuchi? Relay? Why? He doesn't need to be here. nothing happened for him to join the main house.
Green5
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01:44:32 AM Feb 13th 2014
edited by 121.7.49.140
Ignore this, I posted this in the wrong place.
AnonFangeekGirl
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07:24:55 PM Jan 22nd 2014
What happened to Haruhi? Is she coming back, or will she need to be replaced?
Dragon-Kid
07:41:21 PM Jan 22nd 2014
Someone removed her.
AnonFangeekGirl
09:08:33 PM Jan 22nd 2014
But, is someone going to put her back? The Holy Trinity doesn't really work with just two members.
BatTal
10:53:43 PM Jan 22nd 2014
As far as some people think it is for the better. Perhaps someone new could take her place.
AnonFangeekGirl
09:09:58 PM Jan 23rd 2014
She's back.
BatTal
09:18:51 PM Jan 23rd 2014
Why the frick is she here, she don't deserve it considering how bad she is. she shouldn't be in the pantheon. emeraldsnowcone was right to remove her.
Hotmanx32
09:20:49 PM Jan 23rd 2014
...Who do you think should be the Deity for tropes?
Camilla
11:06:01 PM Jan 23rd 2014
Bat Tal, I really hope you aren't a friend of Golden Spot 5...

We had a discussion in that yes, she is a jerk (at first). She doesn't understand human reactions because she doesn't WANT to be human and this is just her way of getting attention which is ironic because she is the one to be paid attention to with her Reality Warper powers going out of control if she's bored. She slowly develops and becomes a better person and shows that she truly loves being with the SOS club.

Just stop doing this whole thing. At the rate this is going, the Main House might have to be locked for a while.
ChrisX
11:50:31 PM Jan 23rd 2014
edited by 111.94.125.186
Uh huh, nice going with that bad grammar and Fan Myopia, BatTal. You're not helping your case and definitely aren't making your efforts going anywhere. Trope Pantheons are really for fun, but it is no excuse for you to do whatever you like regardless of the damages it could cause to others' funs.

Who are these 'some people' you spoke of? You and Snowcone? Or don't tell me it includes Golden Spot? Regardless, that 'some people' isn't the majority nor the representative of everyone that goes around with the Trope Pantheons. Try to understand that.
SeptimusHeap
12:15:42 AM Jan 24th 2014
I have filed an Ask The Tropers report.

Now, while I do not have an opinion on the issue myself, deleting things unilaterally here is a no-no (the Pantheons are a group project), and "I don't like her/think she's overrated" is not a good reason for doing anything.
Rotpar
01:35:07 AM Jan 24th 2014
As somebody who freaking hates Haruhi the anime and dislikes Haruhi the character...yeah, she's a fitting goddess of tropes. She alters reality according to tropes she likes, she may as well be an honorary member of the site.

And play nice with others in a big Just for Fun collaboration. This is something of a popularity contest, like an unofficial "TV Tropes' favorites" endorsement. No doubt the naysayers will be arriving with the "why does the Pantheon exist, it's off-mission" comments. Don't make the Pantheon a source of drama and create legitimate reasons for it to be cut.
HotmanX32
03:28:47 AM Jan 24th 2014
Haruhi is an ace at everything with the exception of normal human interaction if I remember correctly, that's why she's the Goddess of Tropes. She's Genre Savvy at everything for a reason.
HotmanX32
03:28:47 AM Jan 24th 2014
Haruhi is an ace at everything with the exception of normal human interaction if I remember correctly, that's why she's the Goddess of Tropes. She's Genre Savvy at everything for a reason.
BatTal
07:38:52 AM Jan 24th 2014
I don't know Golden Spot 5, but I read what they said. And do you really think someone who is so anti-social deserves a spot on the high council?
Hotmanx32
07:51:04 AM Jan 24th 2014
Have you read the Light Novels or watch the show? If not, You only look at the surface of things.
BatTal
08:40:36 AM Jan 24th 2014
I've seen clips from the show and read about her on TV Tropes. That is how I know. I don't read light novels.
Rotpar
11:17:42 AM Jan 24th 2014
Being a nice person isn't the criteria here. It's a character being the suitable embodiment of the trope. And unfortunately, Haruhi is a good embodiment of the concept of tropes themselves. If you can find better, share and provide reasons why you think they'd fit. The Pantheon isn't perfectly set in stone, Haruhi can step down for a new character, be overthrown by enemies, whatever. It's a collaborate effort though, you can't just say "Haruhi sucks" and delete her.
GoldenSpot5
05:37:36 PM Jan 24th 2014
what the heck is going on here? Someone else was doing this? Ugh at least I stopped and am trying to add things to the pantheon.
HotmanX32
05:44:06 PM Jan 24th 2014
Just lock the page...
GoldenSpot5
06:01:24 PM Jan 24th 2014
well I didn't have anything to do with what ever this was.
Camilla
06:07:31 PM Jan 24th 2014
You don't need to be in part of this conversation, GS. I agree with hotman that until we can get some kind of negotiation regarding Haruhi Suzumiya, no one is entering the Main House. I this kind of stuff happens again...well, I won't be happy, will I?
GoldenSpot5
06:30:44 PM Jan 24th 2014
Well isn't there a way to prevent only one person from doing something like this?
ChrisX
06:53:47 PM Jan 24th 2014
Right now Fighteer has suspended the two accounts. We'll wait until there's another anti-Haruhi crusader, and if that happens again, then I'll agree with temporary lock.
GoldenSpot5
07:08:29 PM Jan 24th 2014
understood.
GoldenSpot5
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10:38:48 PM Jan 21st 2014
edited by 69.204.185.226
On a different note, what happened to Asura?
AkoSiKuya23
08:27:10 PM Jan 31st 2014
Yeah, what was the reason for removing Asura? I don't see it here in discussion or anywhere else.
krimzonflygon2
08:28:41 AM Feb 7th 2014
He was listed as a High Spirit of Genre, which didn't fit so apparently someone removed him. Put him back as just a "normal" main-houser.
emeraldsnowcone
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10:19:12 PM Jan 21st 2014
Hello there. I know this page is just for fun and silliness but I have something to ask. I've tried to watch The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya. That anime was on my watch-list for a few years but I couldn't get through the first episode; I only made it halfway. I'm a person who would try to watch an anime be it in English or Japanese. Unfortunately, it didn't go so well with this one. What I would like to know is why is Haruhi liked so much? What is it about her that makes her so amiable? I know I'm not the only one who isn't a fan of her; I've read quite a bit of Spanish comments elsewhere. That aside, could someone please enlighten me?
TPPR10
04:44:55 AM Jan 23rd 2014
Just because you cannot understand why Haruhi is so popular, doesn't mean she has to be deleted. She has gotten enough of deletion stuff from another user, she doesn't need another one. I lack answers and I am not going to add her back before this is sorted out, but you cannot simply deleted gods without even discussing about it.
Camilla
11:06:44 PM Jan 23rd 2014
This is just getting out of hand, TPPR. Ban both snow cone and Bat Tal before things get messy.
ChrisX
11:47:48 PM Jan 23rd 2014
I'm sorry, but TPPR and me... nor you... cannot ban people. All I could say is that... we can bring this up to Ask The Tropers?

Snowcone and BatTal, what you're doing is a finest example of Fan Myopia. "I don't know this series and why is this character having such high place in the Pantheon! I know! I will pull this character off without permission!"

No. That behavior is UNACCEPTABLE. Especially with attitude like "I can't watch this myself, so I must be right!". If you have watched the shows yourself to gather YOUR OWN OPINION, then you can bring this case forward. But if you're still in this phase, this is not gonna get listened.

KNOCK IT OFF.
ShanghaiSlave
12:56:57 AM Jan 24th 2014
"but I couldn't get through the first episode; I only made it halfway."

HAHAHAHAHA!!!

seriously though, it's 1st episode is a Non-Indicative First Episode. should have tried the second too before you judged.
Tallens
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08:33:14 PM Jan 16th 2014
edited by 107.213.108.71
I noticed we have a section for "High Spirits of Genre" but the only ones there are Clint Eastwood, the spirit of the west, and Asura, God of Multiple Arm Attacks, Fighting The Heavens Above, and Rage That Can't Ever Be Stopped, none of which are genres. Clint, representing westerns, would fit, but the second doesn't seem to, and there's no discussion here to explain his presence.

If I understand the original intent correctly, after the western, we should have the spirits of action, drama, romance, adventure, comedy, horror, thriller and so forth.
Camilla
01:39:20 AM Jan 17th 2014
Someone forgot to move Asura out of that section. If you can do so, that would be kind.
Tallens
07:24:07 PM Jan 17th 2014
edited by 107.213.108.71
Done. Now, what about the other genres?

Bruce Willis for the Spirit of Action? Or rather, John McClane?
Camilla
06:14:28 PM Jan 18th 2014
Well if Bruce is there, we can mention how Ashley Williams is in the House of Weapons.
Tallens
12:11:08 PM Jan 19th 2014
edited by 107.213.108.71
As an ally?

I also had a thought of the Starship Enterprise being the spirit of science fiction.
Tallens
11:39:48 AM Feb 17th 2014
Any thoughts? DO we need consensus to add these?
GoldenSpot5
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08:53:09 PM Jan 13th 2014
This house needs a God or Goddess of Messengers
Camilla
11:59:58 PM Jan 13th 2014
1. Why should there be one? 2. Who do you have in mind? 3. Does anyone care?
GoldenSpot5
11:39:31 AM Jan 14th 2014
do you have to be a jerk
Camilla
12:28:34 PM Jan 14th 2014
I'm just asking a very valid question.
GoldenSpot5
04:37:00 PM Jan 14th 2014
The only one who comes to mind is Hermies but I'm not sure of how Kratos would react to that.
ChrisX
05:21:10 PM Jan 14th 2014
edited by 111.94.125.248
No.

First, we're trying not to have Gods already existing in classical Mythologies to this Pantheon, for fun's sake. And... really? As much as Hermes is in God of War, his presence there isn't exactly as prominent as Zeus, Ares or even Hades. Doesn't warrant his induction to the Trope Pantheons.

And saying "This house needs God/Goddess of Messengers" and just that... isn't exactly a tactful stuff that will win you sympathy. It sounds like "I declare that this house needs to have this kind of God, search for one for me!". Not a good ethic. What you should have done in a more polite way is, "I think this house needs a God of (insert a trope here). If anyone's not nominating, I nominate (insert a character here). What do you think?" And if you wanna do even better, then add up a basic portfolio.

Sounds a lot nicer, right?
GoldenSpot5
06:52:22 PM Jan 14th 2014
I didn't mean to come off sounding like an ass, I just had a poor choice of words. There are other adaptations of Hermes in other media.
ChrisX
08:31:34 PM Jan 14th 2014
Then next time PLEASE mind your wordings before you even SAY anything.

And... which one is the most notorious portrayal of Hermes that is deserving to be put in the Pantheon?
GoldenSpot5
09:27:10 PM Jan 15th 2014
edited by 69.204.185.226
You know there is already a god for messengers. the courier from New Vegas, why not just premote him/her to the main house?
Camilla
10:54:11 PM Jan 24th 2014
Question: Why does the Main House need a messenger in its ranks?
GoldenSpot5
07:07:20 AM Jan 25th 2014
The way I see it, the messenger can stay in the main house and if the main house needs to get something to one of the other houses they can use him/her to do so.
Camilla
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10:29:22 AM Nov 22nd 2013
I have been waiting for someone to reply but this is really bugging me, WHAT will allow a Greater God in a house elevate to to the Main House. I noticed that YHWH from Faith is an overdeity yet he has no house, and there are lots of greater gods that look like they have potential. It doesn't make any sense.
krimzonflygon2
07:51:28 PM Nov 25th 2013
edited by 74.70.16.35
YHWH is head of the Law House, and even though he's clearly powerful enough it's explicitly stated in his Faith entry he's kept out of the Main House because he'd just try to overthrow everyone else. Lucifer's much the same: he's definitely powerful enough for the Main House, but he's too busy keeping YHWH under control.

What I'm curious about is why Tenma's not in the Main House: he's stated to be the equal and opposite to Johan, but he's a Greater God to Johan's Overdeity, and is stuck in the Mentalism House while Johan's in the Main House. We need to either elevate Tenma or downgrade Johan: if they're explicitly the equal and opposite to each other, we can't have a discrepancy like the one we have now.
Dragon-Kid
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09:45:32 AM Nov 19th 2013
Any plans to bring Cosmos to the Main House? She's a Greater Goddess and influenced in the creation of the GUAG.
gunpowderwizard
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11:04:15 PM Nov 3rd 2013
edited by 70.79.36.118
Nevermind
krimzonflygon2
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09:01:57 PM Nov 2nd 2013
edited by 74.70.16.35
Regarding Joker, something's really bugging me. In particular, the entry about his corruption of Superman in Injustice, and how it would make him an "Over Overdeity" if there was something like that, putting him on par with Mister Rogers.

Corrupting Superman is a big deal, I'll say that without hesitation, and if Joker was the only one to ever pull that off, I'd been in thorough agreement with the above statement. But he's neither the first one nor the only one: if I remember correctly, that honor goes to Lex Luthor. He killed off the Flash and Superman nuked him with heat vision, setting off the Justice League arc "A Better World", which came out a decade ago. In fact, Injustice is extremely similar to that scenario, if a whole lot darker in execution: both times Superman was driven to kill, it was due to the death of someone he cared about followed by a Breaking Speech, and by the end he's killing (or attempting to kill) with impunity. And it sometimes didn't even take that: he very nearly killed Mongul in "For the Man Who Has Everything", only catching himself at the last moment. The dude's far from incorruptible as said in the entry, and he knows it: that's why he gave Batman kryptonite. He knows he has the capacity to snap.

I guess what I'm trying to say is that the statement may need to be amended. Yes, breaking Superman is no small shakes. But saying the act puts Joker on par with Mister Rogers? I...don't see that. If he was, as said above, the first and only one to ever pull off that feat, then we might have something, but considering that's not the case, we might be overselling it just a tad.

Yes, I know, it's a bit rich coming from the guy who had Osaka counter-Mind Rape Johan by complete accident. I just put that in for humor purposes, really: Osaka's just so WEIRD that even Johan Liebert can't Mind Rape her. If the discrepancy's too much, I have no problem with its deletion.

What do you guys think?
Tehrannotaur
08:25:08 PM Nov 19th 2013
agreed.
Camilla
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08:57:49 AM Oct 30th 2013
Goldenspot5 is at it again, deleting Haruhi's image every single time someone adds it. Can someone tell him to stop doing that?
GoldenSpot5
11:26:57 AM Oct 31st 2013
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ChrisX
03:41:51 PM Oct 31st 2013
That's not the way. What about PM?
GoldenSpot5
06:16:35 PM Oct 31st 2013
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Camilla
08:54:44 PM Oct 31st 2013
Goldenspot, we shouldn't do stuff for you. If you want to get respect you have to show it. From what I've seen, you give stupid half-assed excuses why you want Haruhi gone from the pantheon (without even giving her a chance to show that Haruhi is a human and has a kinder side), and blatantly delete her pic just to 'get someones attention' as you put it. I for one, am getting annoyed.

This is your final warning Goldenspot. Clean up your act.
GoldenSpot5
09:30:47 AM Nov 1st 2013
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Camilla
01:00:12 PM Nov 1st 2013
You can edit posts, deleting them isn't possible. And if this has nothing to do with Haruhi why did you delete her image? And once again you only care for the English dub, not for Aya Hirano's stellar work for Suzumiya herself.

Once people see that you are good, and that you gain respect by doing good things and helping out the Pantheon, this will all be buried under the hatch. If you keep whining and complaining, who knows?
GoldenSpot5
07:53:25 PM Nov 1st 2013
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GoldenSpot5
08:00:35 PM Nov 1st 2013
I don't know many Japanese voice actors. the only one I know is that Morimoto guy. isn't he on the pantheon?
Camilla
12:01:38 AM Jan 14th 2014
That's not a voice actor, Masaharu Morimoto is a chef. This just proves my point that you really don't give a shit, do you?
GoldenSpot5
08:14:06 PM Jan 21st 2014
Not that one I got mixed up I meant Norio Wakamoto you can see how I got the mix up. I just don't like Haruhi. Got it!
ChrisX
08:40:23 PM Jan 21st 2014
For your own sake, you should stop stating your dislike to Haruhi like a Broken Record.
GoldenSpot5
09:37:41 PM Jan 21st 2014
That was the last time I planed on it. That trope fits me.
Camilla
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09:13:55 AM Oct 29th 2013
So what qualifies a Greater God to come into the Main House? Considering Johan came in a while back.

For example, if I were to ask if I can ascend Artix von Krieger of the House of Faith into the Main House, what would he need to do in order to prove that he's in the highest of the high?
Tehrannotaur
06:08:33 PM Oct 29th 2013
edited by 75.23.234.106
The Main House is described as " The highest of the high. All supreme beings and Greater Gods sit at this level."
krimzonflygon2
06:39:58 PM Oct 29th 2013
Wait, ALL Greater Gods? I can name a huge number of Greater Gods and even some Overdeities who aren't in the Main House. There's gotta be more to it than just that.
Camilla
09:00:07 AM Oct 30th 2013
There are lots of Greater Gods in the Pantheon but we need a clear DISTINCTION as to what gives Greater Gods the ascension to gain entrance to the Main House. If not, then we're just spamming lots of gods from other houses in the Main House.

So, "What constitutes the Highest of the High?"
krimzonflygon2
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05:46:49 AM Oct 29th 2013
edited by 74.70.16.35
Holy moley...Rebellion...this is gonna be a DARK day for the Pantheon. MASSIVE SPOILERS for the movie.

How many times does a Main House Deity fall from grace, and such a high-ranking one like Madoka? Man, it's gonna hit the Magic pantheon too, and for all we know, Homura just out-fell Sayaka, so her position as goddess of Fallen Magical Girls is in jeopardy. Then there's the Sisterhood. Well, on the other hand, Sakura Kinamoto's likely getting her job back, and Lucifer's getting a new drinking buddy. Boy, when I said the Prophecy House foresaw "Great Upheaval", I don't think any of us saw THIS coming.

So...where do we go from here? Should we wait until the movie comes out in the states or do the renovations now?
ChrisX
06:06:46 AM Oct 29th 2013
If there's already subs, you can go for it. But wow... This may be one of the darker days of the Pantheon.

What fixes are you proposing?
krimzonflygon2
06:36:49 AM Oct 29th 2013
edited by 74.70.16.35
Jesus, I don't even KNOW...subs aren't out, per-say, but the trope page for the movie has a good rundown and there are summaries floating around the interwebs. As for the changes...

Well, Madoka falls to begin with. VERY high chance of redemption, though: she didn't fall as much as she was PUSHED. It's way too early to tell how this'll unfold. We don't even know if Shaft's gonna follow up on what happened in Rebellion. Okay, of course they are. Homura is promoted on the spot to Overdeity and takes Sayaka's place as Goddess of Fallen Magical Girls. Retroactive Preparation is hardly her defining point anymore. Sayaka...she'd probably Fall too, unless you have somewhere she could go. Sakura Kinamoto's probably getting her job back as Goddess of Magical Girls and takes over the Sisterhood, and then Nanoha joins the Trinity proper as a Mother-saint to take Sakura's place (it'd round out the personality trio, at least).

Overall...ouch. I mean...ouch. If there are more, I can't think of 'em right now. What's your take on all this?
Dragon-Kid
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01:12:03 PM Oct 28th 2013
Can we add Fast Eddie as the God of Tropers?
ChrisX
02:48:30 PM Oct 28th 2013
DON'T!!

It's only attracting possible vandals. Didn't you read the discussion below why you shouldn't involve him?
Dragon-Kid
07:35:37 PM Oct 28th 2013
Yeah, I understand.
Megafighter3
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09:41:36 PM Sep 25th 2013
edited by 173.48.237.100
The Protectors of the Plot Continuum, Organization of Mary Sue Hunters, (The PPC)
  • Overdeity: The organization as a whole, it's necessary in order to keep Sues under control
  • Symbol: The PPC logo.
  • Alignment: Lawful Good
  • Portfolio: Mary Sue Hunter, He Who Fights Monsters
  • Domains: Hunting, Creativity, Canon Protection
  • Enemies: Many of the Disgraces, Mary Sues in general.
  • The PPC is a strong organization of multiple Agents, tasked with the capture and extermination of Mary Sues. Their work over the years granted them a position in the Pantheon. Two Agents are regularly tasked to guard the gates of the Disgraces to watch for any escaping Sues.
  • Took the position from Edfred, who had a good track record in capturing Ronan Beelzub. They've considered bringing him on as a future agent.
  • The PPC has earned the ire of Jenna Silverblade for kidnapping and recruiting her son Link Jr.

Just start-up template for replacing Edfred.
ChrisX
10:10:16 PM Sep 25th 2013
It could be good. However, Portfolio needs to be more than just TWO entries, or else the entry would look rather forced. But since it's start-up, I'll give it some time.
Tehrannotaur
07:00:44 PM Sep 26th 2013
edited by 75.23.234.106
Maybe I'll add it in for you and tweak it. I'll agree in the end.
Megafighter3
12:59:00 PM Oct 2nd 2013
Thanks.
GoldenSpot5
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08:10:08 PM Sep 14th 2013
edited by 74.76.222.90
troy56
07:09:24 AM Sep 17th 2013
As you were saying about Haruhi not being in the main House? I don't think the rest will agree on you this.
Tehrannotaur
06:39:28 PM Sep 17th 2013
have her restored for the holy trinity will be maintained
troy56
12:33:02 AM Sep 18th 2013
edited by 69.118.234.16
If he doesn't reply, why don't we ban him?
ChrisX
12:46:55 AM Sep 18th 2013
.... What is it with you? You could've at least posted a discussion here first instead of suddenly removing every traces of Haruhi in the Pantheon. What is this, 'The Disappearance of Haruhi Suzumiya'?
Tehrannotaur
07:06:24 PM Sep 18th 2013
I guess he takes things to the literal extreme.
troy56
08:23:58 PM Sep 18th 2013
Fixed it all. Pleased correct some triva on some entries if I got it wrong.
Tehrannotaur
08:07:22 PM Sep 19th 2013
What about Kyon?
GoldenSpot5
09:53:25 PM Sep 20th 2013
edited by 74.76.222.90

troy56
10:02:23 PM Sep 20th 2013
You do realize she has flaws, yes?
GoldenSpot5
06:10:28 AM Sep 21st 2013
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Tehrannotaur
09:29:04 AM Sep 21st 2013
edited by 75.23.234.106
then for the Main House's Holy Trinity, it will need a new title if the title of God/Goddess of Tropes get removed.

And if you're saying "Someone else who isn't a borderline mary sue shouldn't be here", it's implying that someone who is a borderline Mary Sue/Marty Stu may as well be in the Main House, which those kinds of characters get put to the Disgraces because they're perfect to the point that they bend the story's canon to their own will and just make for one-dimensional and boring characters due to the lack of flaws that could make the audience relate to that kind of character. The Disgraces is built on hatred by the audience as well as any trope pertaining to the Scrappy Index, Bad Writing Index, and the Mary Sue Types subsection of the Mary Sue Tropes. The level of hatred, infamy and notoriety these characters have has to be so great that the character is irredeemable in people's eyes. It's reserved for the worst abominations of fiction. They're mere existence enrages people. To add a new person in the disgraces would have to have the general approval (or indifference) of the other tropers, as well as all the categorization hassles.

Anyways, why was Kyon removed?

For a new candidate in the main house, since Rose Potter was re-added to the Pantheon/Disgraces (she used to be there until TGWL was removed due to it violating the 5P rules. Ronan Beelzub, who came from another banned fanfic Naruto Veangance Revelaitons (the same fanfic Edfred came from)), I'll nominate Edfred as God of Mary Sue Hunters (and possibly for him as part of the Court of the Gods).

  • Edfred God of Mary Sue Hunters
  • Greater God or Overdeity
  • Symbol: A Sue Soul Container
  • Alignment: Lawful Good
  • Portfolio: Badass Gay, Camp Gay, Manly Gay, Mary Sue Hunter, No Indoor Voice, Sesquipedalian Loquaciousness, Sophisticated as Hell
  • Domains: Mary Sue Hunters, Homosexuality, Canon Restoration and Reparation
  • Allies: Most of the Pantheon, but especially Ichigo Momomiya.
  • Followers: The PPCs.
  • Enemies: Ebony, Rose Potter, Jenna Silverblade, Ronan... heck, we could be here all day listing Disgraces.
  • Was deified in order to have someone to keep tabs on Ronan Beelzub and other Sues. Keeps a new Sue Soul container around with Ronan's name on it, with more in place for any of Ronan's friends and any other Sues.
    • Because of aforementioned, he has been ascended further to the Main House and the Court of the Gods to keep an eye out for Sues. He packs a Mary Sue Litmus Device, which detects whether or not the person is a Sue note note note note note note note 
  • Often startles other deities with his loud voice, due to suffering from Capslochia Permanisis.
  • Often visits the house of Music whenever Zit Remedy is playing. Archie Simpson has noticed that the two share some similarities.
GoldenSpot5
02:04:22 PM Sep 21st 2013
As long as Haruhi disappears from the pantheon.
ChrisX
04:31:38 PM Sep 21st 2013
Golden Spot... If you could've given a more thorough reasoning, backed up with the support of many, the removal of Haruhi would be plausible. At this point, this is sounding more like you're the only one who thinks that, and then proceeds to shove it to everyone else's throats without permission. No matter how justified you may think... that's not cool and I do not think I am capable of taking this offer very seriously.

However, as moonmartins said below... somehow there is a point in this: Haruhi's popularity has started to wane, so perhaps her position in the Pantheon may be shaken. Myself, I'm no Haruhi watcher, but these Haruhi fanboys also need to come around and discuss whether she stays or not. With reasonings of course.
GoldenSpot5
06:34:57 PM Sep 21st 2013
I just think she should step down and give the spot to someone new, because I think she's hogging the spot light. Maybe she can become a goddess of something else? I mean what makes her the goddess of everything? Wheres the proof?
troy56
06:50:34 PM Sep 21st 2013
The only thing she isn't good at is normality, Which belongs to Kyon. What do think she could be the Goddess of?
Tehrannotaur
09:10:06 PM Sep 21st 2013
anyone agree on the addition of Edfred?
GoldenSpot5
09:17:43 PM Sep 21st 2013
Nothing is what I think or better yet goddess of Overly Expressive Ego
Tehrannotaur
09:37:44 PM Sep 21st 2013
isn't there a holder of a similar title (Small Name, Big Ego for Black Star)?
GoldenSpot5
09:46:10 PM Sep 21st 2013
I can't believe I'm saying this but she has a bigger ego then he does. And I know Black Star, Soul Eater is one of my favorite anime.
troy56
09:53:56 PM Sep 21st 2013
Tehrannotaur, I agree on the addition of Edfred. Not to mention, Strong Bad is another God of this. Is it really Ok to have three deities representing the same trope?
GoldenSpot5
06:18:07 AM Sep 22nd 2013
edited by 74.76.222.90

troy56
07:21:42 AM Sep 22nd 2013
edited by 69.118.234.16
...Why didin't we think of this before? Damn, I keep forgetting about that incident.
ChrisX
07:45:41 AM Sep 22nd 2013
edited by 139.194.138.24
Considering how big change it will be, we're gonna need more input than other than just troy's agreement. At this point, I'm very unconvinced that this was nothing more than a rage of one man getting overly pissed off that someone he doesn't like has such a high position in the Pantheon. I hope you can present your case in a better way without sounding salty, Golden Spot. For the moment, I'll be re-adding Haruhi to the Main House, but this discussion will still be ongoing and if we reach the verdict of the removal of Haruhi, then we will remove her. Until then, please don't remove anymore.

The guy who came up with 'tropes'... well that'll mean Fast Eddie, but I'm sure he doesn't appreciate having his name tossed around like that. It can also attract haters.

I seriously urge everyone who participate in this Pantheon stuff to discuss about Golden Spot's proposition fairly. Thanks.
GoldenSpot5
07:57:12 AM Sep 22nd 2013
edited by 74.76.222.90

troy56
07:59:08 AM Sep 22nd 2013
edited by 69.118.234.16
You know, Why don't we just add Jesus Christ as God of Tropes.... That was kind of outlandish.
Tehrannotaur
08:33:41 AM Sep 22nd 2013
Well if we put Fast Eddie into the Main House to replace Haruhi's position, it could cause a similar incident as what happened when people kept repeatedly putting him to the Disgraces, which caused that page to be locked for 8 months.

@troy56: Thanks. I'll add Edfred in to both the Main House and the Court of the Gods (it would make a suitable house for him as well), and as for Black Star and Strong Bad, the former represents Massive Egotism and the latter represents Arrogance, although both end up directing to Small Name, Big Ego. Ditto with The Millenium and Sundowner. Both direct to War for Fun and Profit but the former refers to War Mongering and the latter refers to Profitable War. There's also the "other" gods representing the same trope (Cloud Strife and Jack Rackan for Swordmanship, Chuck Schuldiner and Dethklok for Death Metal).
GoldenSpot5
08:51:53 AM Sep 22nd 2013
edited by 74.76.222.90
Well he doesn't belong in the disgraces, if he created the tropes in the first place he should be the god of tropes.

By the way who is Edfred
Camilla
11:37:29 AM Sep 22nd 2013
There's a difference between creating and embodiment. Haruhi embodies and represents all tropes ever. Fast Eddie was the one who just penned them. Plus we already have trope-tan to help with Fast Eddie's decision.

And how far did you even get into the Suzumiya novels? It's shown later on that she truly cares for her friends in the SOS club and is slowly understanding to be more and more sociable to people. Her outlook is so heavily jaded due to that baseball stadium incident and is a way to cope with her being normal which she DOES NOT want to be. Hence her knowledge of tropes is her embodiment of being special while Kyon is there because he balances out Haruhi's wishes to be special by being the ordinary normal high school student that helped her slowly come out of her shell.

And personaly, I am REALLY REALLY sick of having the constant deletion and adding of stuff. The villains page had a time where trolls deleted all of the content and placed Fast eddie's name on it not to mention there was that one time where someone placed some sort of porn sex scene with editors.

So please Golden Spot 5, RECONSIDER what you're doing and give a very VERY accurate defense as to why Haruhi Suzumiya should no longer be part of the holy trinity. Thank you.
GoldenSpot5
11:43:56 AM Sep 22nd 2013
I will watch the anime just to prove I'm right.
Tehrannotaur
02:59:54 PM Sep 22nd 2013
@Goldenspot5: Edfred's a character from the fanfic Naruto Veangance Revelations, who was introduced in an alternate ending that the author's former stepbrother wrote after he took over his account, which has Edfred and his boyfriend Muskoka restore the cast to normal, enabling them to kill the hated main character Ronan Beelzub, who easily fell into several Mary Sue categories. For Haruhi Suzumiya, READ THE LIGHT NOVELS to get a better understanding of her. They're easily available for purchase from Yen Press. Don't rely on the adaptation because it hasn't adapted everything from it (up to Disappearance).

For Kyon, someone please re-add him in.
ChrisX
05:02:43 PM Sep 22nd 2013
Also please present your case in a way that is not biased, Golden Spot, because right now, it is still sounding like you dislike Haruhi and doesn't like how she's got such high placement in the Trope Pantheons. Camilla and Tehrannotaur has given you the directions, you should follow.
GoldenSpot5
05:23:22 PM Sep 22nd 2013
I don't read light novels, it's anime dub or nothing. And if she is said to personify every trope, that can't be possible, everyone is limited to the amount of tropes that can apply to him or her.
troy56
06:37:10 PM Sep 22nd 2013
Don't say I warned you. Anime usually tends to Flanderize characterizations frequently, so yeah. Not to mention, If you put him up in the pantheon, it won't be pleasant.
Camilla
08:34:22 PM Sep 23rd 2013
I agree. Anime usually do not accurately portray characterizations of works all that well. The fact that it's 'anime dub or nothing' to you shows that you have a lack of interest in the series and a hatred of a character just cause of a dub. If you try this shit again, there's going to be severe consequences not only for you but for everyone who works on the pantheon.
GoldenSpot5
08:48:11 PM Sep 24th 2013
I only watch dub for any anime, and the fact that Haruhi is voice by Wendi Lee means its going to be good. I just don't like the character and I don's see what puts her in a spot she doesn't deserve.
ChrisX
12:01:21 AM Sep 25th 2013
'Just don't like the character' ISN'T a good enough reason to remove someone, especially when it's just ONE guy. That's Fan Myopia at its finest and we do not take that well.
GoldenSpot5
06:16:23 PM Sep 25th 2013
Well will someone give me 10 good reasons that she belongs here?
Megafighter3
07:30:46 PM Sep 25th 2013
Golden Spot, I had to deal with the same shit with JIKTV over Trish Stratus. If you keep this up, you may find yourself on Ask the Tropers like he did. Please back away now.
ChrisX
07:37:35 PM Sep 25th 2013
Golden Spot, that's enough with your sense of self-entitlement, it's getting like It's All About Me. Who gave you, only you, the rights to decide such big things in the 'for everyone' stuff like the Trope Pantheons?

If you wanted the reasons and be taken seriously, you should've asked nicely, instead of first removing every traces of Haruhi, and then insisting that only your opinion matters. Listen to Megafighter, you're attracting trouble.

Not to say that you shouldn't be given reasons, but I'm sure that other Haruhi audience (I'm not them) will be happy to provide... so long as you fix your attitude.
GoldenSpot5
08:16:54 PM Sep 25th 2013
Sorry it's just anything involve that character get's me angry. and it was never about me, I just feel she has overstayed her welcome. May I please have my reasons. and what's wrong with Ask the Tropers?
ChrisX
08:24:17 PM Sep 25th 2013
edited by 114.79.13.209
I just feel she has overstayed her welcome

... Way to shoot yourself in the leg and killing your legitimacy about 'it was never about you'. You're the only one who feels that she overstayed her welcome, and you're the only one being angry with things about her, so you decided to make big changes to fit in your view. What else there is, but It's All About Me?

See, Ask The Tropers is occasionally where we ask other tropers and mods about things in the wiki... This is not limited to misbehaving users. If a mod see that you are misbehaving, you'd be suspended and be invited to have a nice talk in the 'Edit Banned' forum. If you still haven't realized your mistake and still be obnoxious, they could ban you. And if you managed to make it look like you realize your mistake... and then goes to pull the same shit... then it's instant ban and they won't give another chance.
Camilla
08:26:21 PM Sep 25th 2013
edited by 67.187.188.67
@Golden Spot 5: Why are you so demanding on reasons? If you want to know why she embodies tropes READ THE NOVELS. If you pull up one more thing about "I will just watch the anime dub", then I shall cast a vote on putting you in Ask the Tropers, which is where tropers (like the ones who are discussing with you right now) will have a right to ban you for your unnecessary edits and ego problems. I suggest you look into Haruhi's characters from her original source before you start deleting/putting negative comments about characters. I mean, would you want US to do the same with your favorite characters in the Pantheon?
GoldenSpot5
11:03:12 AM Sep 26th 2013
edited by 74.76.222.90
(sigh, takes deep breath,) I'll stop, but to be far I'm not the only one who may dislike her. I'm sorry, I hate having an big ego and I can't stand people like that. That's why I don't like her. To me she would be a good villain if anything (just a thought). I will never like her but that doesn't mean you have to hate her. So with permission, I would like to add something positive to her in the pantheon.

And if possible have this whole conversation taken down.
BatTal
08:48:24 PM Dec 26th 2013
edited by 69.204.185.226

moonmartins
topic
08:35:12 PM Jun 1st 2013
Shouldn't Arceus be in the main house? Given that it's an Overdeity and Creator Being of the whole Pokémon Universe (the second biggest video-game franchise ever), it clearly outranks the likes of The King of All Cosmos, Amaterasu and possibly Haruhi (given the last one's recente loss of popularity)? And, while at Nintendo, shouldn't Shigeru Miyamoto count as a Overdeity since he's also the creator of... well a whole lot of things?
magictoaster
topic
09:55:19 PM Jan 15th 2013
Wait. Why is Diabolus ex Machina its own God but Deus ex Machina isn't?
destructorn
09:02:42 PM Jul 24th 2013
I Would like to see deus ex machina as its own god too.
JackgarPrime
topic
12:32:32 PM Nov 15th 2012
So how come the Ancients of Eternal Darkness don't seem to be mentioned in any of the pantheons? They are all literal embodiments of Strength, Madness, Intelligence, and Decay. Even if they wouldn't be given a full slot, it would make sense to at least mention them. Like perhaps the Joker may be rumored to really be the form Xel'Lotath takes when she wants to cause trouble in the human world.
DarthHobbes
topic
03:18:44 PM Sep 19th 2012
John Ronald Reuel Tokien clearly outranks the creators of DND. He created them, and they created all others.
masamune1
topic
05:05:31 AM Jun 29th 2012
The Anti-Monitor did not seek to destroy absolutely everything. He sought to destroy every universe but the Anti-Matter universe, and every time he destroyed a universe it created more anti-matter and made him more powerful. His goal was to rule an anti-matter multiverse as God.

Also, he has worked with other villains before on several occassions, even if it wasn't ideal for him. And he has minions.
saiyan5ninetail
topic
09:16:13 AM Apr 25th 2012
I think that Sonic should be instated as the God of Speed again. He was one in the past, and his recent games have been particularly successful.
RawpowerEX
02:57:20 PM May 19th 2012
Have you taken into account that The Flash appeared before Sonic did?
Dooms
01:29:21 AM Apr 30th 2013
It's true. I'm a massive Sonic fan, but Sonic really does fit best as slayer of the polygon ceiling, simply due to the fact that A) The Flash is older than him and B) The flash is actually faster. Sonic's top speed is generally about the speed of sound. Even the absolute maximum top speed Sonic has (which was only mentioned in the comics when he was very upset. He basically ran around the world in 20 seconds) is not near the Flash's top speed.
thatdude
topic
12:37:24 PM Apr 1st 2012
edited by thatdude
(Decided to move this to the overall Pantheon discussion)
captainsandwich
topic
10:40:20 PM Feb 3rd 2012
should we give the joker an enemies list, i know batman and red skull would be in it.
redjirachi
topic
07:23:15 PM Aug 12th 2011
Wouldn't the Anti-Monitor have followers? There's probably a bunch of omnicial maniacs who'd like his help in destroying everything. Unicron may even pair up, then fight when the Anti-Monitor tries to eat him.
TheMalignancy
topic
02:36:54 PM Jun 7th 2011
Why all the epic Exalted pimpage?
Grobi
04:41:34 PM Jul 25th 2011
Nathaniel
topic
09:14:54 AM Feb 9th 2011
What the hell is this page even about?
SchizoTechnician
09:16:12 AM Feb 9th 2011
Fun.
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