Also, the "believes in honor" part is invalidated with how she deceives the ogres/trolls (I don't remember exactly what they were).

I've been in disputes with The Order Of The Stick loyalists before and they didn't end well for me, so I don't expect I'll win this dispute (one reason it's taken me so long to comment; I'm really not looking forward to this). Still, I'll make at least one last stab at restoring the original entry as it was, because I don't think it's right for OotS fans to suppress any kind of negative criticism on YMMV pages:

• Miko of The Order Of The Stick manages to be a huge Base Breaker for the fandom even after her death due to this trope. She's meant to come across as an ignorant Jerkass, but some fans see her as more of a case of Good Is Not Nice. This has a lot to do with how Anvilicious her characterization was; most of the comic's protagonists started hating her almost immediately, which to her fans both made her something of a woobie and made the Order look like jerkasses themselves.

I didn't create this entry. However, I liked it, I agreed with it, I noticed it wasn't on TOotS's YMMV page, so I listed it on there. I now sincerely regret doing so, since OotS fans seem to unite to crush any negative criticism in ways I've never seen on any other work's YMMV page.

KSonik, with all due respect, you are completely missing the point of this page. Nearly all of your arguments are about the author's intentions. However valid these arguments might be on any other page in this wiki, the only relevance these arguments have on this page is in helping to confirm that Rich Burlew didn't intend Miko to be sympathetic. Yet many readers do find her sympathetic despite Burlew's intentions, hence, Unintentionally Sympathetic. A person isn't wrong for liking a fictional character despite her creator's intenetions, nor is another person wrong for agreeing with her creator. It's all YMMV, like how effective the creator was in conveying those intentions. Nearly all of your arguments can be argued a different way, as I shall now demonstrate.

"refusing to learn V's name"

She didn't "refuse" to learn V's name, she just hadn't learned it yet, since she'd only just started traveling with the Order and hadn't spent much time with V. At the same time she addresses V as "elf" she's also addressing Durkon by name, which makes my explanation more likely than it was an outright refusal. It makes sense she knows Durkon by name since she's not only spent more time with him at this point, but he's also the only Order member who never once treats her like 1) crap, or 2) a sex object (Roy was the only one to treat her like the latter before switching to the former). V objects to being called "elf" (even though it isn't an insult) and Miko doesn't apologize for it, but she never calls V "elf" again. In contrast, V was already calling Miko a "foul shrew" (which is an insult) even before this incident and would call her a "shrew" again (more on V later).

"undermining Roy's authority"

Miko's not a member of the Order. Roy's not her leader. He had no authority over her for her to undermine. If you're referring to undermining his authority with the rest of the Order, she doesn't seem to have had that much effect. While they may complain about Roy and make fun of him whenever they get the chance, they still obey most of his orders, which is all percisely the way they treated him before they met Miko.

"rushing off to battle without telling them the battle plan"

And yet the plan worked spectacularly well. It worked percisely the way she intended it to, with nothing to suggest that it worked for any other reason than because it was a good plan she succesfully carried out. Normally when a character has a plan this successful, it's a sign to the audience that they should respect the character.

"yelling at a random hotel staff over a mattress tag"

You got me, I don't have a defense for this. OTOH, I do wonder how seriously we were supposed to be taking a fairly typical Mattress Tag Gag.

"•Here she refuses to take Roy's advice and treat them with respect"

Part of the problem with trying to introduce a character into this strip intended to be unlikeable is that this is strip is in so many ways a No Fourth Wall Black Comedy where all the protagonists (with the possible exception of Durkon) have been a selfish Jerk Ass at least once over the course of the strip and one of the protagonists is a a stab-happy halfling who always delights in killing creatures and doesn't care if they're innocents and it's all Played For Laughs. Normal, conventional rules of who's "likeable" tend to get thrown out the window at this point. In Miko's case, an uptight Paladin who takes herself and everything around her way too seriously, can in her own way be very, very funny. And by being funny, they can even be endearing. In the very strip you link to, there's this exchange:

Miko:A paladin never compromises.

Roy:Does a paladin ever remove the stick up their ass?

Miko:No. It's a class feature.

I'm sorry, but at the time first read this, I wasn't filled with outrage at Miko's rudeness, because I was too busy chuckling at the joke.

"•She comdemn the Order for not wanteing to sleep in the dirt"

She doesn't "condemn" them, she's just trying to persuade them to sleep in the same rough environment she would sleep in. When that fails, she goes along with them to the inn and even agrees to pay the entire bill, even though the Order has a huge fortune while she only has a small stipend. Boy, what a bitch!

"•She blamed the Order (most of them helped the innocent)"

It is indeed commendable of most of the Order that they helped the innocent. But so did Miko, who went the extra measure of risking her life going back into the burning inn just to make sure there were no more innocents still trapped inside (Haley and V also went back in, but the only thing they were trying to save was the Order's treasure).

"for something that was so not their fault!"

I'm sorry, but I couldn't disagree more. The destruction of the inn was so totally the Order's fault, it's not even funny. It's a trifle unfair that she's blaming all the Order equally, but that's only because she doesn't know (and never learns) the full facts of what happened. If she did, she'd realize it's mostly Roy's fault.

Roy deliberately took advantage of the staff's mistaking of him for the King of Nowhere just to enjoy being literally treated like a king. The rest of the Order knew about this deception and went along with it for the same selfish reasons. This led to the attack by the assassins (and since the real King of Nowhere wasn't there that night, it means the attack otherwise wouldn't have occured at that time). Not even the assassins were attempting to blow up the inn; that was caused by Belkar. Who's there because Roy recuited him into the Order in the first place. Roy did something dishonest for greedy, selfish reasons (and the rest of the Order went along with it for the same reasons); which resulted in an attack that otherwise wouldn't have occured that night; which led to the inn being destroyed by one of the people Roy had brought to the inn.

Miko's basically right: the inn would not have been destroyed if the Order had followed her suggestion of sleeping on the hard ground. The assassins wouldn't have attacked that night, and since the Order wouldn't be there the same night the real King of Nowhere would be there, it's at best doubtfull that the inn would've been destroyed if the assassins had attacked their intended target.

KSonik, we could argue back and forth on these points for the rest of our lives if we wanted to (I don't want to, and I hope you don't either). The real point is that nearly every one of your arguments against her were more open to a more sympathetic Alternative Character Interpretation than Burlew had intended.

I've compiled my own list here. I call it the "Mean to Miko" list. It lists every time from strips 201-251 that an Order member says or does something mean to or about Miko:

• Haley refers to her as a "stupid paladin". V refers to her as a "foul shrew". Again, note this is before Miko addressed V as "elf".
• V refers to her "simple mind".
• Elan claims she "took a few levels in the Mean Old Cranky-Pants prestige class." Note that Miko didn't actually insult Elan. All she did was express exasperation at Elan's normal obtuseness.
• V calls her "intellectually inferior to myself". Roy declares, "I really just want to kick her in the head." Since at the time, I was impressed by Miko being a Badass my personal response to Roy's final comment was "WTF?!"
• Haley refers to her as "Little Miss Stick-Up-Her-Butt".
• V tries to bill Miko for rescuing the dirt farmer even though no bill had been discussed. The bill is ridiculously high because of a "roaming charge" for every mile V's away from V's homeland, which is especially ludicrous since Miko hadn't summoned V from V's homeland or even met V anywhere near V's homeland. When she understandably refuses to pay the idiotic bill, V tries to blow her up with explosive runes.
• V, ever the charmer, refers to her as an "insufferable cretin".
• Haley makes Miko pay for the entire hotel bill.
• Elan spends an entire strip ranting about how "mean" Miko is. It should be noted that up to this point, Miko had never done anything at all against Elan! She didn't even attack him during her initial confrontation with the Order. Elan'd be the poster child of an Order member who treats Miko far worse than she ever treated him, except there's somebody even worse.
• Haley claims Roy's been letting himself get emasculated by Miko.
• Roy claims, "plans and Miko don't mix well." This is less "mean" than it is simply untrue. Earlier with the ogres, Miko had come up with her own plan which she mixed with very, very well. And this claim is disproven by what follows. Miko does nothing to undermine Elan's first plan to evacuate the inn (which fails due to no fault of Miko's). Nor does she undermine the second, more successful plan (and unless the graphic novel version said otherwise, she might even have come up with it herself).
• Haley calls her a witch. Miko does call Haley a "criminal" (the only time during this period Miko has ever actually insulted an Order member). The facts that these insults are both in the same panel and the left-to-right placenment of Haley and Miko makes it look like 1) Haley insulted first, and 2) Miko heard her.
• V calls her a shrew for the second time while gloating and rejoicing at the possibility that SHE MAY HAVE BURNED TO DEATH! Miko once called V "elf" and during her initial confrontation with the Order got V's robes temporarily sticky. V insults her on 5 seperate occasions (using one insult twice), tries to bill her an exorbitant amount for ridiculous reasons, tries to blow her up, and rejoices at her possible death. V's the winner of the prize of Order member who treats Miko the worst during this period, completely out of proportion to anything she had done to V.
• Roy calls Miko a "bitch". Haley hugs him for it.
• Roy elaborates.

KSonic, you provided examples of Miko being mean from about 7 strips from this period. I've provided 15 strips of the Order being mean to Miko, more than twice as much. And that's leaving out anything Belkar said or did (I deliberately left his examples off since, as the Token Evil Teammate, you wouldn't normally expect anything nice or good from him anyway, and there are no pleasant surprises here). When I posted the link to this page on TOofTS's YMMV page I added the statement, The comic seemed to spend more time with the Order complaining about what a "mean" "shrew" "bitch" Miko was, than actually showing it. The statement got deleted, of course, but I think it was less YMMV and more a simple, statistical statement of fact.

More importantly, these "Mean to Miko" strips are not open to any kind of Alternative Character Interpretation. The Order simply hates Miko's guts. To those of us not inclined to hate her, it made the Order look hateful. I don't normally hate the Order. They can be very funny, and they often do have sympathetic motivations. But here, getting so very nasty over what I felt was so very little, I found myself hating them a lot.

I deliberately stopped at strip # 251 because that's when the author's intentions became clear. We were all supposed to fully agree with Roy and hate Miko at this point. Some readers did, but some of us did not. This is not a case of "Designated Jerk". Miko does have her faults (faults that Burlew would later grossly exaggerate, IMHO, but that's another story). It's a case of a character whose creator intended to be unsympathetic, that many of us did find sympathetic, and felt justified in feeling this way.

That's proper formatting. One bullet point to one example. **s are only for multiple examples occurring in the same work. We should never see contradictions in the main page, mid paragraph or not. If something's blatantly wrong, delete it. If it's open to interpretation, take it to the discussion page.

It looks like Fawn did the basic clean up, putting everything into one paragraph. If you see examples where there are contradictions, feel free to remove whichever half is wrong.

Considering this is a subjective trope, there isn't a right or wrong person, though.