So for the Fighter, Mage, Thief trope, shouldn't we add Pinkie Pie and Spike to the list?
I could see Pinkie Pie as the Thief, as she did show some moments of stealth. She also can confuse people with her words and actions. For Spike, I could see him as possibly the mage with his fire breath, and being life-long friend/family member of an actual mage.
Any discussion about this?
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Pinkie Pie doesn't seem to invite her teddy bear to her parties. Fridge Brilliance kicks in that maybe she loves it just a tad too much.
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What? Where on earth are you getting this from? She doesn't invite an inanimate object to parties, and that's what you conclude?
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In Season Six, we've had four different Starlight Glimmer episodes announced, one is coming up and another one is coming soon in Episode 8.
I think it's something to consider.
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The only problem is, she almost exclusively appears only in those focus episodes and almost never as part of the group outside of that. When asked about her lack of appearances this season the Word of God on the matter was that she's a recurring character.
Currently, people are going to have to go with that.
The finale could change things however, so I think we're going to get a definitive answer from both the show and the staff after that.
So, coming back from the UK release of the finale, they really seemed to stress that everyone on Starlight's team (including her) are secondary characters and they were keeping her separate from the Mane group, even after the resolution and till the ending credits.
People are either going to have to wait for the next season premiere or take it with the staff on twitter, if they want different answers on that.
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Is there any evidence (links) showing that Starlight Glimmer will be a mane character next season? Cause otherwise, putting her here seems to be jumping the gun.
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I agree. I admit it's a possibility, but she might just have a recurring role. Word of God right now is "wait for Season 6."
I agree that it is way too soon to add here. She is definitely going to do something next season, but as a main character? I have not seen any proof of that.
Since there seems to be enough agreement about this issue, I have moved her to the redeemed folder and left the previous additions of her commented out, so that if she does become a mane character next season, it can easily be changed back.
Red Oni, Blue Oni. It's about a pair of characters, not a spectrum. I've seen it used in more than one place about this show, though. Anyone care to give arguments for why it's appropriate?
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Also, it gives both "Look Before You Sleep" and "Sisterhooves Social" as evidence for Red Oni Applejack and Blue Oni Rarity. "Look Before You Sleep", I can see, but "Sisterhooves Social" gives the opposite impression.
To ride off of this topic, as it has reminded me of something. I've noticed that oftentimes when Applejack and Rarity are together, Rarity is often made to be less mature than she normally is to play up the contrast between them. Is there any trope that describes this?
Is Pinkie Pie really a example of Badass Normal?
Pinkie is Basically Spiderman in pony vesion. (Super-Speed, and Spider-Sense)
To say that Pinkie Pie is a Badass Normal, is like saying Spiderman is also a Badass Normal.
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Yes, but she is an Earth Pony and her super speed isn't a "power". She's hyperactive, which is why she's so fast.
I've noticed quite a few episode pages mentioning Twilight being Adorkable. Given that this tropes is right under her Character Sheet portrait I'd think it is enough of a defining characteristic that it doesn't need to be brought up every time she does something adorkable (correlates with screentime.)
Permission to remove episode references to Twilight's adorkableness?
Regarding shimaspawn's Zero Context No Example thing: Don't some tropes just speak for themselves? Like Applejack's Nice Hat (There's a picture of her wearing it even), Pinkie's Alliterative Name, Spike's Four-Fingered Hands or anyone who's a Large Ham and so on? There's no need to be redundant.
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If this kind of trope is present, it should be noted in the character's entry. That's the context. If you just threw Nice Hat onto the main page and expected people to know you're referring to Applejack, that is zero context. If you put the trope on the character's page, and there's a picture, then you can just put Nice Hat or Four-Fingered Hands (maybe noting, 'as seen in his/her picture above').
If it's for a work that doesn't have a characters page, you should say "Nice Hat: So-and-so wears one, it's (describe)." or "Four-Fingered Hands: So-and-so." If it is a trope like Deadpan Snarker, give an example of them being snarky.
Also, it's Zero Context Example, not Zero Context No Example, which isn't even a page.
What's with the ordering of the mane cast? It looks like the order in which they're introduced in episode 1, but if that's the case, Pinkie should be either third or last.
Not a complaint, just something I was wondering about.
It's nice that people are so eager to put tropes here, but please use ones that actually fit. Every time I come here I see examples of Square Peg Round Trope.
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Removed this one:
- Heterosexual Life-Partners: Within the six, there are three pairs of ponies who are noticeably closer to each other than the others.
- Rarity and Fluttershy: The two regularly go on spa dates, and Fluttershy is the first to be called when Rarity tries to figure out what is wrong with the first set of Gala dresses.
- Pinkie Pie and Rainbow Dash: This is cemented when the two bond over pranking.
- Twilight Sparkle and Applejack: They turn to each other first for advice and comfort.
- Interestingly, they all seem to alternate these positions recently. In particular, Rainbow Dash has been shown with Fluttershy quite often, Pinkie Pie with Twilight, and Applejack with Rarity.
The last point hints at it already, but it doesn't go far enough. Basically this is calling characters life partners based on things that each happened in about one episode. They go on spa dates, and she's the first one she calls about the dresses — and that makes them life partners? Yet that was the strongest case made out of them all. The best case for this trope would be to say that it applies to all six of them together, not in pairs, but I don't think that's how it's supposed to work either.
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And:
- Friend to Bugs: Every main character except Pinkie (though especially Fluttershy) finds Parasprites endearing until realizing the harm they cause and even then, still consider them cute as far as appearance goes.
- Reinforced in the toy-line. Two Rarity toys and one Fluttershy toy are accompanied by butterflies, one Rainbow Dash toy is accompanied by a dragonfly and one Applejack toy is accompanied by a ladybug.
Friend to Bugs means that you're especially into bugs, not that you once liked some particular bugs everypony likes. And I don't think tropes only in the toy line go here (though I wouldn't object to that side mention if there was reason to mention Friend to Bugs based on the show first).
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- Butt-Monkey: Every single one of them has at least one or two episodes practically devoted to their pain and humiliation, usually when it's their Day In The Limelight.
Okay, I'm seeing a pattern here. Tropes that are about something happening always are being applied to characters because it happened in a couple of episodes.
Twilight:
- Broken Ace: She's one of the best magic users in existence and very intelligent but that's because she spent most of her life with books which made her a cripple when it comes to socializing. She also holds herself to extremely high standards and will flat-out lose it if there is a possibility of letting her friends or mentor down.
Where do I even start? How about the fact that she's a nerd, not the popular kid, just as it says here? I can see a faint resemblance to the trope, but mostly going through the difference would be like expaining why a quesadilla isn't a quill. Charming and popular? No. Evil or jerkass? No. Self-hating? No. Etc.
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- Arbitrary Skepticism: Lampshaded by Rainbow Dash in "Bridle Gossip." The mage doesn't believe in curses?
Actually that's a subversion or nothing at all to do with the trope — that time, for all we saw, she knew perfectly well what she was talking about. There were no curses. And she'd be the one who knows that Magic A Is Magic A and would be in a position to voice an opinion on it.
Besides, Arbitrary Skepticism is about denying the fantastic explanation for something odd you're seeing, whereas when Rainbow Dash called her out on it, they were only talking about curses.
Calling Spike a Pintsized Powerhouse and Pinkie Pie a Genius Bruiser... well, suggests the editors who put those in didn't read either article. At all. Oh, and Crouching Moron, Hidden Badass for Pinkie Pie is wrong, too. If someone would ask why, go read those tropes first, and you shouldn't need to ask any more. Also make sure not to confuse Crouching Moron, Hidden Badass (whose name is confusing, I admit that) with regular Let's Get Dangerous!.
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Well, I saw someone saying elsewhere Spike slammed down a Diamond Dog or something like that. For the record, he obviously grabbed him by the ankle and tripped him.
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For Pinkie Pie: regarding her popping up in a mirror, there's TWO footnotes claiming it might be Twilight imagining things. But where's the evidence for it? When has Twilight ever hallucinated anything? I'll remove them if noone has a problem with it.
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It might be, because it would be weirder than what she has done previously and weirder than Twilight imagining things.
The Hub just did an MLP:FiM commercial starring Pinkie Pie to commemorate her birthday which was based on what she said in the episode "A Friend in Dead".
How does this info fit into this site? Is there some trope regarding a fictional character's fictional birthday?
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I disagree with the change from Tomboy to The Lad-ette. The Lad-ette is highly focused on drinking and sex, neither of which is a factor in MLP:FIM. I don't want to go back and revert-war this, but I think it needs to be hashed out.
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As currently written, Tomboy is focused on prepubescent girls who exhibit boyish behavior, and The Lad-ette is the adult (post-pubescent) version of the same idea. There is no requirement for The Lad-ette to include sex and/or drinking (many of the examples on that page feature neither), merely that the character is a female who acts in a stereotypical frat-boy manner.
Scootaloo would be a Tomboy; Rainbow Dash and Applejack would be Ladettes.
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"No requirement", huh.
"She likes sports, beer, cars, swearing, fighting and sex. She is crude, rude, often hygienically challenged and cheerfully ignorant and aggressive." - The Lad-ette
Rainbow Dash loves sports, and let's out what may be a pony profanity on occasion, but that's it. The Lad-ette has many qualities which she just doesn't have, while Tomboy just fits more.
No, that's just part of the color for the trope description of The Lad-ette — if we were to stick to such a strict interpretation, three-quarters of the examples wouldn't fit because they come from backgrounds that don't have cars to begin with. Again, the trope description as a whole is simply an adult female with the rambunctious personality and interests of a "frat boy", which fits both Applejack and Rainbow Dash very well (especially RD).
Red Sonija is a Ladette despite not having sex. Felina Feral from SWAT Kats, Rita Torres from Exo Squad, June from Ka Blam, Sam Puckett from iCarly, Alex Russo from Wizards Of Waverly Place, Kiina from Bionicle, and Kazooie from Banjo Kazooie are Ladettes despite not having beer nor sex. Excluding AJ and RD simply on a very strict reading of the trope description seems completely arbitrary to me.
As the trope summarizes: "In short, she is a young woman with the personality of a frat boy."
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I think Rainbow Dash could fit into The Lad-ette, but I'm not sure if Applejack qualifies; I wouldn't say that she has "the rambunctious personality and interests of a frat boy". She's not wild enough for that.
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Whilst I agree that whether or not Applejack is The Lad-ette is ambiguous, seeing as though she isn't particulary wild and rambunctious, I do beleive that Rainbow Dash definately does qualify as the The Lad-ette, at least by the standards for this setting.
The fact is, the mane cast are young adults. They're beyond childhood.
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Applejack is closer to The Lad-ette than Tomboy, if nothing else. And although she acts as a Team Mom most of the time, she doesn't shy away from a good brawl if necessary — "Dragonshy" and "A Dog and Pony Show" come to mind. AJ's Laddette-style behavior is also what annoys Rarity in "Look Before You Sleep".
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i don't think Rainbow fit the ladette trope...tomboy absolutely, but she allows Rarity to make her over with little complaining that we saw...and what we did see consisted of being bored with the length of time the makeover took rather than the girliness of it. Her home is quite pretty and girly for something we can assume was made by her, and Rarity's dress style for her is a lot more feminine than what she picked for Applejack. I think Applejack, with her complete aversion to all things frou frou fits the ladette trope more...tho I really don't think it applies well to either of them.
And on the quick topic of rainbow's house and the fact that it has appeared differently in several episodes...has it occurred to anyone esle that she reshapes it whenever she gets bored with the design...considering it's made of clouds? Given her, pun intended, flightiness, I could see her easily wanting something new with her home
Oh, for the love of pete
I can't picture any of the mane six being classified under the Tomboy trope, just because that trope is specifically set up for children (remember, we're talking tropes here, not conventional social definitions). Problem is, if Applejack isn't a Tomboy nor a Ladette, then where would she fit?
Who says she has to "fit" anywhere? Applejack is a Cowgirl. Isn't that enough?
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The most recent ep, "It's About Time," had Fluttershy also show her Badass Adorable Beastmistress apply to the legendary Cerberus himself. She manages to get him on his back and rub either his chest or his belly for great adorability—he'd turned into a big softie with three heads as she coos, "Who's a good boy?" If you're an animal she'll often find a way to get to you; "The Best Night Ever" was the one time she couldn't—instead she drove them into their shells and herself out of her mind "You're....going...To...LOVE ME!!!!!" comes to mind.
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I don't get why people INSIST on listing Rarity as a Jerk with a Heart of Gold. Sure, she isn't ALWAYS nice, but she's nice above all else, whereas characters under said trope are characters that seem like jerks at first, but are really nice DEEP DOWN. Think Dash, for example. SHE plays it completely straight. But Rarity does not. Her heart of gold is obvious, as opposed to someone like Dash. In fact, Rarity's almost the complete opposite, as in, she's nice, but she sometimes makes mistakes, even though she doesn't want to seem mean. She's the Element of Generousity for a reason, y'know, and she's not perfect. Honestly, if Rarity is a Jerk with a Heart of Gold, then why don't we list everypony as one?
"Ice Bear believed in you".
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I seem to notice that Fluttershy has become (somewhat) more assertive and willing to actually get physical, as per season 2. Of note: 1. Her dragging and having an extra burst of speed while chasing corrupted RD (Return of Harmony 2). 2. The in/famous bear wrestling scene (Lesson Zero). 3. Refusing visitor by shouting loudly, and engaged in an offscreen tussle with Twilight (Luna Eclipsed). 4. Her dragging Rainbow Dash to come to her house (May the Best Pet Win). 5. Rainbow Dash actually threw a cake to her face (compare her fragility to pranks in Griffon the Brush-Off), and she actually joined the others in throwing cake back at Rainbow Dash.
Thoughts?
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Regarding the Red Oni, Blue Oni lineup, I'm not sure about the relationship between Rarity and Twilight. It seems to me that Twilight would be a bluer oni (isolated, socially-awkward, bookworm) than Rarity (socialite, adores attention, large ham), but I'd rather solicit opinions first. Comments?
I've seen season 2 episodes and I was wondering if we still could consider Twilight as the protagonist since she appears to be Demoted to Extra so far.
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Way too early. Let's finish the season first. We're not even half way to the season finale yet.
Tara Strong still has top billing, and regardless its Twilight's story that set the whole series in motion. She gets top spot either way.
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For Fluttershy, under Apologizes a lot we have the following:
Almost like she was brought up in a culture where apologizing is the social grace for everything you ever do.
I have two questions about this. First was the change from "grease" to "grace" correct, and secondly, what is this a reference to?
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Anyone think Applejack and Rainbow Dash's roles should be switched for Six Pony Band? Dash's personality is a far better fit for The Big Guy, and she's clearly the powerhouse of the group, mostly due to her flying ability. As for AJ, she may not be as obvious a foil to Twilight as RD is, but she's the closest to a "second-in-command", which I feel is far more important.
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Actually, I'm just going to go ahead and change it. If anyone has any objections, feel free to discuss it here.
I just edit things.
This is just an idea I thought up...
Anyone think Dashie could qualify as an Anti-Hero? She's got the attitude of one, no doubt (coming from someone who just watched "Luna Eclipsed"). She has some traits that probably don't fit an Anti-Hero, but then again, I saw Buttercup listed as an example.
"Ice Bear believed in you".
Why was my more descriptive version about how Twilight's actions fall into the Nice Job Breaking It, Hero trope in "Lesson Zero" cut for something vague and undescriptive?
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It gets the point across. Sometimes less is better.
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Is Rainbow Dash really a Lightning Bruiser? That trope is supposed to combine power, speed and endurance, she's got speed alright... but the other two? If anything, she should be a Fragile Speedster, no?
EDIT: Ehh... guess it can stay that way now, seeing as she can now divebomb at mach 1 and still remain unhurt. Might add something about being indestructible, though.
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Adult Child: I really don't understand where people are coming from with this. "... their emotional maturity is best said to be around pre-teen to adolescent-level." I don't know what pre-teens anyone else knows, but nothing about their behavior strikes me as "pre-teen." They act like responsible 20-somethings with varrying levels of neurosis. Could somebody explain the reasoning here?
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Frankly, I agree with you. Their age seems to vary from 17 to 24 (in human age, at least) judging from their maturity.
I could see where this applies to maybe Pinkie Pie, but yeah, the rest of the cast is typically mature enough not to fall under that trope.
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In my mind I put them in the fifteen-sixteen range. True they all live on their own, but they are ponies and Hasbro wanted to sell play sets. But Rarity is the only one who has shown ANY interest in boys and, in Bird in the Hoof, Rainbow Dash sees Fluttershy and Twilight running, immediately assumes they are racing, and asks if she "can play". Not typical 20-24 yr old behavior
Oh, for the love of pete
Cut this:
- In a game of Pin the Tail on the Pony, not only does Pinkie Pie pin the tail in the wrong place, she pins her own tail to the pony and the game's tail to her own behind.
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- * Achievements in Ignorance: Pinkie Pie is the pony incarnate of this trope. She's almost always doing things that tear apart the laws of physics as random sight gags when she's overly excited.
Cut this:
- ** In fairness Rainbow was likely weighed downed more than Fluttershy. A hot-air ballon is already elevated by hot air.
Sliding Scale of Beauty: We haven't got the data to place anyone here, especially as World Class. "It isn't uncommon for numerous characters mentioning their attractiveness often. They always have a lot of people after then at all times." This isn't shown for anyone. Also, Fluttershy's modelling career was based on her behaviour.
I think we should add a History Repeats entry to the page as the "Pillars of Equestria" are ancient history to the main characters, so they become to the main characters of "My Little Pony: A New Generation". Thoughts?
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