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Yeah, Yuga had a net positive of votes. It was more "Well, he hits every criteria, might not feel 'right', but there's no reason to exclude him.'

I'm gonna have to disagree on Zeus, though. I think he overcomes the standard. I mean, Gabriel is more a Well-Intentioned Extremist who was trying to help Sam in the end (and just stop his brothers' fighting). I think the level of torture he inflicts goes way beyond the pale, especially given how much we see as opposed to Holmes, the Benders and the other one mentioned.

Can we get all the Dollhouse examples written up, too? I think I'll vote no for Boyd for now.

For Valvrave...cut them and PM those who added them, honestly. Also, swap the Theater examples to Other Media

I have now seen all Of Copper so here are my rewrites for the YMMV page:

• Copper pulls no punches in showing the gritty, brutal days of Civil War era New York and this is reflected in some of the city's most vile residents
  • Winfred "Winnie" Haverford, a pedophile and murderer. He murders a 10 year old girl in the pilot and rapes her corpse, an act that is seen to disgust even the hardened Anti-Hero Kevin Corcoran. Winnie attempts to track down the girl's sister, the witness to his crime, with intent of raping and murdering her to. He also visits a brothel to indulge his tastes in little girls. When his own wife discovers what he's done, she happily sells him out to Corcoran.
  • The Faux Affably Evil counterfeiter Philomen Keating. A ruthless gangster who despises centralized government, Keating takes over a crowded police station full of cops and civilians. He proceeds to torture them physically and psychologically while having fun the entire while. Keating enjoys stripping them of humanity by injuring the police captain and saying anyone can save him, but they'll be injured in turn. When nobody steps up, he cheerfully mocks them on what they really are. He kills more innocent people, and at one point has a captive tenor sing a funeral dirge before slitting his throat in the middle of it just to see what it sounds like. When cornered by the police, Keating takes a little girl hostage with clear intent to kill her whether or not he's granted safe passage out.
  • Corrupt Politician and Corrupt Corporate Executive all in one, Brendan Donovan is the Tammany Hall Ward Boss for the Five Points who plans to create an aqueduct in New York. Cultivating a veneer of respectability, Donovan uses extortion and bribery to steal the lands of others, resorting to outright torture and murder if they refuse. We discover a variety of nasty and brutal beatings, tortures and murders Donovan is responsible for before we learn his plan: to level the Five Points heedless of the fate of its inhabitants, solely so he can profit from his new aqueduct.

edited 3rd Jan '14 3:15:55 PM by Lightysnake

Ah, I know what you mean with Yuga. Just like how there are some villains who seem like they SHOULD count, but have some minor redeeming quality or something.

There's another villain from the manga Ushio and Tora I'd like to suggest. The Dragon to Hakumen No Mono, Guren. He's a writeup for your approval

• Guren, The Dragon to Hakumen no Mono, was a vicious mercenary and murderer in life before he found the Beast Spear. Enjoying nothing so much as killing others, he used the Beast Spear on human beings until it devoured his humanity, leaving him as the monstrous, black-furred Guren. Guren would spend the centuries hunting down and devouring humans: men, women and children without discriminating. Finally, he devoured the family of a man who would take the name Hyou and the two inflicted wounds and scars on one another, earning a mutual hatred. Hyou would hunt down Guren, following the trail of his atrocities. In their final duel, Guren attempted to gain the upper hand by holding a woman and her child hostage, knowing Hyou would be reminded of his own family. Guren planned to kill Hyou when his guard was down- and devour the humans as a post-victory treat.

Why exactly was Ghirahim cut anyway? He doesn't have any redeeming qualities that I noticed, and I've played Skyward Sword quite thoroughly. Is it moral agency? I'm pretty sure he has that down pat. If moral agency is a big deal, what about Majora from Majora's Mask? Shouldn't she not qualify due to questionable moral agency? Wasn't she cursed by the ancient tribe as well? Also Yuga doesn't really seem right on the list compared to Majora. Everything he does is, as stated before, standard villain fare.

On a different tangent, could we qualify Ardos from Pokemon XD? He's pretty much behind Cipher, isn't redeemed, and tries to kill all his Mooks and a fourteen year old boy by blowing up an island just because his plans failed? He certainly meets the heinous standard and has no redeeming qualities unlike his father and brother.

edited 3rd Jan '14 4:34:40 PM by Klavice

Its Yuga's imprisoning of the soldiers (which leads to their deaths) and his attempt to finish Lorule's destruction so he can recreate it in his own image that solidifies him. He displays zero redeeming qualities through the course of the series and hell, his actions made things worse for Lorule.

Gonna say no on Boyd.

@Lightysnake

Gabriel's Well-Intentioned Extremist status (and his being Gabriel at all) was a retcon. During his first appearance as "The Trickster", he fed a man to an alligator for advocating animal testing, had a bully raped by space aliens, and killed somebody else for reasons that escape me. In his second appearance he threw a man into a wormhole for the awful crime of not believing in wormholes. And we, as the audience, were expected to accept that this was okay because "huh, huh, he's so funny!" (and were repeatedly told how we should feel by Dean, just in case we didn't understand) Nevermind that it wasn't funny and that it rivaled the actions of some of the show's villains.

With that in mind, I'll have to agree with Exister—Zeus fails the heinous standard compared to one of the show's "good guys". His crimes against Prometheus might be bad, but they don't stack with what Gabriel did in the name of "humour".

edited 3rd Jan '14 6:12:30 PM by AmbarSonofDeshar

Gabriel started as, still, a nasty guy, but still one who limited himself to Asshole Victim types. The guy who didn't believe in wormholes was also guilty of using his business to swindle people with the belief in wormholes.

Moreover, Gabriel reversed all the damage he'd done that episode. Every time Dean died in that episode, he reset things. Dean ended up wholly unaffected- and nobody even remembered things occurred. Contrast to Prometheus who is well aware of the pain of countless deaths. And the fact Zeus was going to do this to a 7 year old. The crimes are firmly different by scale and nature. I don't quite see how attempting to murder a child over and over countless times for eternity, with the memories of all the pain and trauma retained, is anywhere more tame than what Gabriel did, particularly when you throw in Zeus's "turn the humans back into slaves where they belong" thing.

Here's what sets him apart from Holmes, the Benders, Gabriel, etc: His willingness to torture a child unto eternity for no reason than irritation at the kid's father. If I hear an argument on how the others listed go close to that, I'll be glad to hear it.

edited 3rd Jan '14 8:14:40 PM by Lightysnake

Ghirahim was cut because he didn't do a whole lot on screen. He postured and threatened a lot, but the deeds departments was pretty low. That being said, I said if someone wrote a good entry from him, I would accept him, and I still will.

Yuga seems kind of generic to me, but he does just enough that I can't think of any reason to disqualify him. I'll support that write-up for now.

Gabriel didn't undo all the damage. He undid what he did to Dean. The guy he threw in the wormhole? Still dead. The guys he killed in his first appearance? Still dead. And I fail to see how testing products on animals automatically makes you an Asshole Victim. It's a regrettably necessary part of a lot of modern science, and since we don't meet the guy—we just see him get eaten by an alligator and then have Dean inform us of how funny and appropriate that is—we have no actual confirmation that he was in fact an asshole. I also don't recall the wormhole guy being a conman—he was, if memory serves, a skeptic who was trying to prove there wasn't a wormhole in the area. Gabriel murdered him for being a killjoy, then laughed about it. Because "ha ha, isn't that funny!" (here's a hint TV show—if characters constantly have to tell us how funny it was, it wasn't funny). Oh yeah—we also get to see his daughter desperately trying to find him. But the episode ignores that, because it's too busy showing our protagonist's problems.

Zeus has a grand total of two victims. That's incredibly low by the standards of the show, and other villains can and do worse. Alistair tortures thousands of souls, and forces them to participate in torture. Lilith eats children (as do a number of other monsters of the week). That's two worse, and wider spread cases of torture and child endangerment right there. Moreover you're missing the point with the Gabriel comparison, namely that if he can be "redeemed" despite displaying no remorse and no regret for his actions, then what exactly stops Zeus from undergoing the same process? Nothing, that's what.

I'll skip any argument over quality or lack thereof because it's wholly irrelevant to the debate. He reversed the entire episode in the imagination spot one. There's no evidence he killed the guy, either. Also, the argument on the animal testing is self defeating: the guy is seen doing something morally questionable and we're informed he was an Asshole Victim.

Also, this is a conversation we've had before. The fact there are 'two victims' doesn't quite square with what he's doing. Alistair tortures multiple souls, but is never shown harming children- not saying he wouldn't, but kids don't seem to go to hell. Lilith attempts to eat one baby. What Zeus is doing is "subject them to thousands upon thousands of agonizing deaths again and again." That's killing a 7 year old countless times, which strikes me as far worse than killing a child once. At least that ends. Zeus would kill them, restore them to full health with full memory and trauma intact and enact it again and again. Lilith eating kids is especially heinous because unlike the monsters, she's not doing this for sustenance. Demons don't even need to eat. The big difference, though, is that Lilith eats a baby only one. She can't do it again and again. Zeus was killing Oliver, and was going to subject him to this for eternity. What's worse. Killing children one time apiece, or murdering a child multiple times over for all of time? I can't say I find either outweighs the other. They're both pretty unique.

And Gabriel actively sacrificed himself against Lucifer. What precisely indicates Zeus would do the same? He's shown to be an arrogant psychopath who feels divinely mandated that he can do whatever he wants with humanity. Gabriel realized humanity was worth giving his life for. Zeus's entire character is based around "fuck humanity."

edited 3rd Jan '14 10:14:42 PM by Lightysnake

There was nothing to indicate Gabriel thought humanity was worth dying for until he suddenly did it. There's no build up to that moment, no character arc, no nothing. Just "whelp, I guess I'll get myself killed standing up for an ideal I've never expressed before." (in his prior appearances as The Trickster he expresses nothing but contempt for everyone).

Given that we never see the guy he threw in the wormhole again, I'm thinking dead—or as good as, given that he fell through a hole in the universe—is a fair enough expectation. And you're missing the point on the guy who got eaten by the alligator, namely that there's nothing to say he deserved what was coming to him beyond the opinions of Gabriel—a sadistic fuck on a good day—and Dean—whose empathy varies episode to episode and season to season, Depending on the Writer. Not what I'd call damning evidence really.

I also think that you're emphasis on "Zeus does it to a child" is misplaced, at least in this particular instance. The idea of harming a child being worse than harming an adult stems from the notion that the adult could possibly defend themself, but a child definitely could not. When dealing with people, it's a useful enough barometer of just how low they can go. But we're not dealing with people here, we're dealing with vastly powerful supernatural beings who can do unto regular humans as we can do unto a child. The victims that Alistair has in Hell are utterly at his mercy, and have no possible way to fight back against him. They're in a world where he and his kind reign, and couldn't escape even if they found a way, on account of being dead. That makes them as helpless as any child being menaced by an adult; moreso even. He tortures each victim for thousands of years worth of time, only stopping if they agree to become torturers. That outweighs anything Zeus does, and in this case, I can't bring myself to distinguish based on type of victim.

Really? When he's first revealed as Gabriel, there's enough ideological sparring about how much a coward he is for running away from everything. In the next episode, they try to convince him to stand up for things, with his reluctance to fight Lucifer. The claim that this came out of the blue is simply untrue. Also, the wormhole guy? We never see the guy period. Gabriel just brings it up once and later reverses the entire episode.

Also, most of the souls Alastair tortures are specifically not innocent. The requirement of the first seal was a righteous man shedding blood in hell, specifically. And he's only known to make this specific offer to Dean. Most souls only last a short time before becoming demons themselves. Even accounting for that, the same applies to Zeus. He's the most powerful God we see and only killed by another God catching him by surprise. It is explicitly shown nobody onscreen can fight him on a level playing field. And you're not addressing the worst part of Zeus's actions. He's not just harming a child, he's sentencing him to eternal death for eternity. A constant, unending state of agonizing death from which there's no escape.

edited 3rd Jan '14 11:01:40 PM by Lightysnake

Re: Dollhouse: Honestly, I found Boyd particularely hard to judge one way or the other because of the sudden retool of his character. It makes his supposed Pet the Dog moments before the reveal almost impossible to decipher. This ambiguity is probably the best argument against him in fact. Because of that I think his behavior after the reveal is the only reliable gauge into Boyd as a person.

While I believe his Affably Evil traits are ultimately not genuine, I never argued that his "love" towards his family (the Dollhouse staff) was faked. He just refuses to "love" anyone except on his insane terms. Clive is the best example of that. When his partner turns against him for his plans, Boyd disposes of him and makes a copy of Clive with a more obedient personality. This indicates that he still wants his partner around either because he liked him or finds his skills useful. But the real Clive is still there. He's just trapped until his body dies of old age in a nightmare world where people are served their own legs for dinner and forced to watch their friends die in front of them or turn into monsters. Topher, whom he helps become a more moral person? Boyd orders his love interest's brains blown out in front of him. Adelle, whom he helps fight against Rossum's corruption? He ordered all of that himself or did so through his copy of Clive. The Dollhouses, which he says he finds morally repugnant? He built them. It's blatant hypocrisy on Boyd's part and part of his long game.

Also, he does require Topher (and Echo, for the cure her body contains) for his plans. When Topher solves a tech problem in "The Hollow Men" that 20 of Boyd's engineers couldn't solve he praises Topher for his skills and is glad that he selected him. While Nolan Kinnard has more personal Squick attached character-wise, Boyd really has no moral high ground against him. Kinnard turns a woman he's obsessed with into a brainwashed Sex Slave. Boyd blackmails hundreds of people, men and women, to turn them into brainwashed Sex Slaves. He plans to let Paul die with the rest of humanity simply because he doesn't like him, arguing that "there's always someone in your family whom you could do without". He makes sure the procedure to extract Echo's spinal fluid won't be fatal to Echo, but if she makes too much of a fuss he tells her point blank that he'll kill her. His "keep me company or die" ultimatum is why I don't believe "saving his friends" after he turns everone else in the world into a mindless zombie is meant to benefit anyone except himself.

While Boyd is quite fatalistic about imprinting tech, I don't think it's a redeeming trait here. He massively abused it himself, for one. He invented the technology that would revolutionize mankind, but what does he do with it? He spends the next 15 years brainwashing and pimping out hundreds of people and hooking up people to use their brains as processing power for his computer. He does everything possible to make the apocalypse happen decades sooner so he and the shadows of the people he claims to love and whom he will kill or reprogram if they refuse will survive and he can be king of the ashes. He doesn't try to look for a solution, just ensure his own survival. It's no different from a General Ripper who preemptively murders the rest of the world in a nuclear fallout so he can comfortably live in his bunker. When Boyd does find a cure against imprinting in Echo's body does he try to manufacture it to save the world? No, he keeps it for himself and his small faction. And Topher even finds another worldwide cure after the apocalypse has already taken place, one Boyd never bothered to look for. He's not blameless in this and the end of the world can almost entirely be placed at his feet for willingly letting it get so far out of hand.

For the other examples, I don't recall the pedophilic kidnapper from the pilot but his probable crimes sound unique enough to stand out. I think Terry however is too genuinely insane in the clinical sense to qualify. For instance, he doesn't even appear all that puzzled that he's suddenly in a woman's body, just amazed that he's "beautiful". He's also hallucinating half the time.

Re: Supernatural: Lightysnake has pretty much already made every point I also had on Zeus.

Regarding Alistair, going back over the previous discussions I think one important point has gone unmentioned until now. While he's the great torturer of hell, do we actually see him torture souls? The only time we see Dean in hell is at the very end of season 3 and Alistair isn't present. Alistair's torture of John and Dean and the moment Dean picks up Alistair's blade is all offscreen. The only people he's shown torturing is Ruby (another demon) and Sam (but that was a hallucination), the rest is just standard fighting. I'm not arguing for his disqualification, but there's a lot of Offscreen Villainy compared to the others on the list.

edited 4th Jan '14 9:09:15 AM by Morgenthaler

Unrelated to anything, but as a Marvel fan I'd just like to extend a huge "thank you" to everyone who worked to get the Marvel villains' entries up to date. For quite a while it's annoyed me that until recently most of this site's Marvel coverage seemed to sort of... stop at Civil War/One More Day or at most Dark Reign, possibly due to all the fans the former two stories drove away. Yes, they were terrible, but there's been so many good stories full of memorable villainous deeds since then, so here's to everyone who saw to it they got written up!

@20472: Actually Ambar's right on the Trickster only reversing what he did to Dean. The Trickster reversed time to when Sam and Dean arrived in town, and by that time the guy had already been dropped into the wormhole. Dude's disappearance is what they're both investigating. There's no indication that the guy he dropped into the wormhole was ever saved, especially since the Trickster showed no concern in the past over killing people for the sake of a joke. It was never specified if being dropped into a wormhole killed the guy or if it was a Fate Worse than Death, either way it doesn't speak well about the Trickster's character.

Anyway, back to the discussion at hand. Most of Alistair's victims may have not been innocent, but I have a hard time thinking anyone really deserves to be tortured hundreds or thousands of times until they agree to do it to others, thus turning them into monsters. Demons in the series may be Always Chaotic Evil, but they weren't always so bad. There was a human in there somewhere. We see in season 9, I think, that demons are capable of redemption through specific ritual which apparently makes the human in them come out and be horrified by all the evil they've done. This makes them capable of being redeemed by the Powers That Be. (Oddly easy... who knew?)

Even with all the Asshole Victims we've seen, we know for a fact that multiple good, decent people made Deals With the Devil which caused them to be dragged into hell and subjected to the same torments. It's how Dean got there in the first place in order to save Sam. The fact Dean and John were the only candidates for being the "righteous man" is probably because they're the only ones who got into hell after spending their entire lives trying to save people. Also, demons apparently don't discriminate on making deals with children either, as seen with Bela. When she was a little girl, who was being sexually abused by her father, a demon approached her and made a deal with her to kill her parents. Essentially this demon was condemning an innocent, victimized kid who had no idea of the full ramifications of what their actions would be to an eternity in hell ten years after the deal was made.

Honestly, I think this argument comes down to "quality versus quantity" in evil. And in this series I really think quantity wins. Lilith eats multiple babies, they're her favorite food, she has a chef demon used to specially prepare them. Alistair has tortured most likely millions of people for eons, sometimes innocent, sometimes not. Both are working towards the apocalypse. This isn't a work like Room, where there's only one great evil and two victims seems sufficient. This is a work completely dark where people frequently die in horrifying and torturous ways. For evil to be truly heinous in this work, at least in my opinion, it needs to have widespread effects with multiple victims. I don't think Zeus is uniquely heinous enough in this setting, or as bad as he could be, so personally, I think he fails the heinous standard.

And I reiterate, I think there's too much ambiguity whether or not Zeus cared for the other Greek Gods.

@20475: I guess, to me with Boyd, I think the best comparison I can make is with Todd from Breaking Bad, only with more initiative. I think in both cases the villain is genuinely sociopathic, but also they're both genuinely affable. They're trying to be nice guys even as they do horrible things, even as they can't personally empathize with why anyone would be horrified at their actions. Boyd's attempted murder of Echo strikes me as similar to Todd's reluctant willingness to let Walter White die. In both instances they genuinely like the character, and they really, really wish they didn't have to die, but they're willing to let it happen, however reluctantly, when in their minds they can't see any other way. Boyd seems remorseful to me when he's about to execute Echo. On it's own that would disqualify him for regretting his actions. I think Boyd's behavior is the closest he can personally get to acting like a real human being.

Anyway, I hope we can both agree at least, that this twist sucked. Seriously it sacrificed a totally cool character for the sake of a cheap shock. Even the actor who played Boyd had to cope with it by coming up with an immensely unlikely theory that the Boyd we knew for the vast majority of the series was a personality imprint sitting on a shelf somewhere while the villain he's revealed to be in the final episodes is a completely different character. Of course the finale ruined Alpha too, turning him for a psychopath who killed people for fun into someone who pulled a Heel–Face Turn with literally no build-up or explanation why. And another thing! These kids today with their damn music and fancy bell-bottoms—have they no sense of decency?! ... But I Digress.

It's been a while since I've seen the Terry episode so I didn't know about the hallucinations. I suppose another obstacle for him would have been that he personally appears very little in the episode. He goes into a coma after the Cold Opening and the rest of "him" that we see are really just dolls uploaded with his personality. The dolls actions indicate what Terry would do when placed in those situations but since he personally doesn't perform the actions (Echo and Victor do), they wouldn't count against him anyway. Thanks for reminding me, I won't bring him up.

As for the pedophile kidnapper...

Who is the Kidnapper?

The kidnapper, though never named, is a pedophile who, along with his partners, takes little girls hostage and demands a ransom from their parents. Once he gets the money he wants, he then murders his partners and keeps the girl from himself, raping her until she gets too old for his taste then murdering them before repeating the process all over again. He did this to Ms. Penn in the past and attempts to do it to Davina Crestejo in the present.

What does the Kidnapper do?

In the beginning of the episode, he and his partners kidnap Davina, a twelve-year-old girl, and hold her hostage, demanding a ransom from the girl's wealthy father. The protagonist Echo, a doll, is implanted with the personality of Ms. Penn, a hostage negotiator who was kidnapped as a child herself. With this personality, Echo, now Ms. Penn, is sent in, in order to negotiate the release of the girl. Once the kidnappers appear in person to collect the ransom, Ms. Penn goes into a panic attack, recognizing one of the kidnappers. He was the one who kidnapped the child her personality was based on. She then reveals this kidnapper's modus operandi of how he killed his partners, raped her for years, then left her for dead. The original woman who the personality was based on was so traumatized by the events that she killed herself afterwards. Eventually Ms. Penn goes to confront the kidnappers at their base and tells them about what their partner's planning. Both men are so disgusted that they immediately kill their partner then let Penn leave with the little girl (before being killed themselves by another Dollhouse team).

Is he heinous by the standards of the series?

Yes, he has the distinction of being the only pedophile rapists in the work, and is bad enough to revolt his two comrades.

Does he have any redeeming qualities or Freudian Excuse?

Definitely no redeeming qualities and no Freudian Excuse is mentioned. The only thing I can think of that may act against him is that we know next to nothing about him as a person. He is never named, only appears briefly in two scenes and gets very few lines of dialogue (though what dialogue he does get has him threatening to sexually assault Ms. Penn). Since we know his modus operandi and he gets enough dialogue to indicate just how much of a bastard he is in day-to-day life, I personally think lack of screentime shouldn't be held against him. Thoughts from anyone else?

edited 4th Jan '14 10:18:19 AM by OccasionalExister

^ How much of his nastiness is on-screen, and not just "yeah, he totally did that" testimony from others?

(Obviously given the media, showing the actual rape is waaaaay the fuck off the table as an option.)

Never had any real interest in DH^note (let's just say that my mileage regarding Whedon varies greatly from much of the internet's, and leave it at that) so dunno.

edited 4th Jan '14 11:12:22 AM by Nohbody

I think I'll vote to keep Supernatural!Zeus for now,

Just a few notes: I think you're selling Alastair a little strong. Most of his victims become demons themselves and there's no telling how long the process goes for. It seems that it's more flensing away the humanity. Only Dean got that 'generous' offer. And while the demons don't really play fair with who they offer deals, by the time she went to hell, Bela was NOT a good person.

I don't particularly feel Zeus cares much for the other Gods. He cared about being in control. Given Prometheus himself was divine and we saw how Zeus treated him. While Alastair tortures people and Lilith kills...the big issue for me is inflicting an endless death on someone and a child strikes me as a unique sort of heinous.

But yea to the kidnapper

Well, I just found out that appearently somone had already added the Black Wolf to The Flight Before Christmas ymmv page at some point. I was not aware of this. How does the entry look?

Complete Monster: Black Wolf, the Big Bad of the first movie. He's a bloodthirsty alpha wolf who wants to satisfy his pack's hunger by killing and eating Santa and his reindeer. He goes even further when he decides that won't curb his hunger, instead opting to pose as Santa Claus and slaughter all of the world's children. Even as he falls to his inivitable Karmic Disney Villain Death, he's happy that he at least won't die on an empty stomach. His prey happens to be the protagonist's best friend.

edited 4th Jan '14 2:28:42 PM by bobg

Yuga: How does that whole thinking soldiers are graffiti thing work? As for The Kidnapper, seems he may have a name.

From what I remember, Yuga turns soldiers into paintings on the castle walls, and everyone thinks they're just graffiti. I believe they were having trouble cleaning the graffiti, so I don't think anyone was actually erased.

Yeesh, Nightmare Fuel anyone?

A few were erased in subsequent visits, and if you visit during the later portions of the game there are only a few 'portraits' left.

@20478: What happened to Ms. Penn is offscreen and she talks about what happened to her later. However, since the entire plot of the episode is to prevent the same thing from happening to another little girl, I think that takes it away from offscreen villainy.

@20482: Nah, that wiki entry's wrong. The lead kidnapper is called Mr. Sunshine, the molester is one of his subordinates. Sunshine gets killed halfway through the episode by Dollhouse personnel. The molester is only referred to as "the molester" by the credits.

Ok, I'll try to post a writeup for Air Jay.

• Janita has Air Jay a psychopathic Viking who kills people on a whim. As a child he would go around attacking people with his unique fire abilities, even killing them sometimes. He later part in the Third Ninja War as a mercenary, killing a thousand people, before being sealed by Naruto's parents, Minato and Kushino. Upon being unsealed by bandits, he burns them to death. He is eager to have a rematch with Naruto's parents, but when Takuma informs him that Minato and Kushino have died he kills several bandits in a fit of rage believing only he is allowed to kill them. Takuma then tells him that they have a son, Air Jay is then ready to join his plan to unearth the weapon to destroy the village. Air Jay massacres a village, starting with the village headmaster for "ruining his cool entrance" and when the rest try to fight back with pitchforks he kills them too, laughing about how easy it was. He is about to kill a child when Hinata tries to stop him. When Air Jay defeats Hinata, he considers killing her in front of her daughter, the eponymous Janita, until he smells Naruto on her and takes her alive as bait. When Hinata wakes up she finds herself chained to a boulder, rigged to kill an innocent girl if she escapes. Air Jay gets Hinata to agree to be his personal slave, only to admit he was screwing with her head. He later shows Hinata the weapon telling her that it needs her Charka to power the weapon. When confronted by Naruto and co, he jokes that he committed the massacre to wanted to eat the sardines the village was famous for, only to admit it was a side benefit. They have a long drawn out fight until Kakashi shows up and distracts Air Jay long enough for them to escape. Upon returning to the base, Air Jay pulls Hinata down from the boulder just to kill the girl. He sends eight bandits to kill his father for knowing his weakness despite that he refused to disclose it. When Naruto and co stop the bandits, they beg him to let them kill Air Jay's father, because they are so terrified to fail him. He also takes a woman and has her tell the slaves digging up the weapon about all his actions and tells them she will die in ten seconds if they do not work harder, only to kill her when he reaches six and tauntingly counts the rest of the numbers. Later to torment Hinata, Air Jay takes two prisoners and asks her which one he should kill, then kills them both. He does this again the next day, telling Hinata it was her fault they both died. When the weapon is unearthed, Air Jay has the slaves burned to death. He then loads up weapon with bombs to destroy the entire Leaf Village, unlike Takuma who simply wanted to kill the leader, Hiashi, and take over. He then drains Takuma's Chakra to power the machine telling him he intends to keep Hinata to abuse.

edited 5th Jan '14 1:55:44 PM by randomtroper89