Prematurely launched pages and pages that weren't fully fleshed out at the point of launching, are a big problem. Since these usually share several problems at once, this thread is aimed at re-running them through the TLP for fixing - the usual fix - or cutting them if they are too bad.
Problems this thread deals with include bad names, not enough/bad examples, unclear description, etc.
For the interested, here's a list of recently created pages
. Launches
Note: Please do not request a mod to unlaunch drafts that don't have any issues besides lacking a launch notice/24hr launch notice. While 24hr launch notices are mandatory, there are a few exceptions to the rule. If you see a draft's sponsor launch a TLP without an announcement, it's best to remind them of our TLP Guidelines first. If they continue to repeatedly launch drafts without a launch notice, you can report them on Ask The Tropers or the TLP Community Issues thread.
Edited by MacronNotes on Jun 24th 2023 at 12:24:55 PM
Sleep With A Guy And He Goes Evil: Launched with no hats, ongoing discussion about both the name and tropeability, and doesn't have great formatting. Seems like a clear "Cut and send back to YKTTW" to me.
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Sleep With Aguy And He Goes Evil: Agree; cut the page and bounce the concept back to YKTTW for more work. I've called the launcher in for a conversation.
edited 19th Jun '14 4:02:16 PM by Madrugada
...if you don’t love you’re dead, and if you do, they’ll kill you for it.
Regarding Self Destruct As Failsafe, nobody has cutlisted that yet, I see. Speaking of cutlist, we are getting another backlog there.
Worklist:
- Battle Princess of Arcadias: Stub work page; creator messaged.
- Chris Smoove: Stub work page; creator messaged.
- Dominion: Stub work page; creator messaged.
- Draknophobia: That page needs some help in formatting, grammar, crosswicking and indexing, ~Experiment_282.
- NightmareFuel.Matilda: Only example is a ZCE; ~creader messaged.
- Mechanics, Dynamics, Aesthetics: Stub issues aside, ~Koveras, are you sure it's the right title?
- The Pokemon Game Show: Lack of crosswick aside, are you sure ~theduck87 that you are using the right Namespace? Also, blanking pages is not the proper way to get rid of bad pages.
- Sleep With A Guy And He Goes Evil by ~er1nsg1rl: Yeah, cut that.
- Zeus Is Dead: Stub work page; creator messaged.
Also, Nate is still around <sigh>
edited 20th Jun '14 12:46:28 AM by SeptimusHeap
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
Mastermind Rational
Yes, I am sure it's the right title, because the actual title of the paper is way too long to fit in the article title of this wiki, while simply "MDA" is extremely uninformative. :)
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I've been waiting for a mod to unlaunch Self Destruct As Failsafe before I cutlist it. I've asked on ATT and bumped it a couple times but no one has.
EDIT: Actually, someone has cutlisted it. A few days ago. Wasn't me, though.
edited 20th Jun '14 11:21:07 AM by Larkmarn
Found a Youtube Channel with political stances you want to share? Hop on over to this page and add them.
Today's (somewhat accellerated) worklist:
- ASOIAFNG: A multitude of ZCE, bullet point and indexing problems; I've sent its creator a couple of messages.
- Happy Hope Studios and Characters.Happy Hope Studios: Two stubby articles by ~Dafla; creator messaged directly too.
- Kepler Ronpa: A page made by ~Cactus_Girl_GHS that needs to be indexed and crosswicked still.
- Neon Genesis Evangelion: A somewhat poorly done franchise page by ~Twiddler; we usually want a synopsis at least, not just a list of works.
- Recap.Tales From The Crypt S 2 E 5 Threes A Crowd: Page created blank by ~Mage4 for reasons unknown.
- Some Saga: Stub work page; creator messaged.
- Videogame Fic: A stub genre page that needs indexing by ~katsuargi.
Today's worklist, aside from business from the 19th of June, is not long:
- Fight for the Lost: Stub work page; creator messaged.
- Indefensible Positions: Stub work page.
- Trickster Carrie and Trickster Carrie: What are you using these pages for, if I may ask, ~Trickster Carrie?
NaNo 4328 / 50,000
This Index Is On Purpose: tally of opinions since page 72
| Keep | Cut | ||
| ~Elyandarin | Created the page, no response to PM. | ||
| ~crazysamaritan | The definition is already covered by Bad Writing Index | ||
| ~El Bruno | duplicate stub | ||
| ~Catbert | Tropes don't overlap | ||
| ~Mag Bas | definition says "always intentional", and Bad Writing cannot always be intentional | ||
| ~Larkmarn | Name is useless: applies to all tropes | ||
Catbert & Mag Bas: can either of you two re-write the definition so that it is something other than a bad duplicate of Bad Writing Index? Those of us in favour of cutting would also prefer a better name. If you make a YKTTW draft, I'll help. But as the page currently stands, I don't see any use.
edited 22nd Jun '14 6:35:38 AM by crazysamaritan
Link to TRS threads in project mode here.
I'll think about it some.
Today's worklist, delayed by the pending of a few Google Wall To-Dos:
- Age of Zombies: Stub work page; creator messaged.
- Dirk Pitt Adventures: Why did you rename NUMA Series to this name, ~swigglo?
- Characters.Dominion: All examples are Zero Context Examples and the page needs indexing, by ~ankhadu.
- For Keeps: Stub work page; creator messaged.
- Goddess Reborn Chronicle: Stub work page; creator messaged.
- Insignia: Stub work page; creator messaged.
- Island At War: Stub work page; creator messaged.
- NUMA Files: Stub work page; creator mssaged.
- Spooked: Stub work page; creator messaged.
- Vulcanium: Stub work page; creator messaged.
Unrelated to this, given how many people are using Web Original as an index for new work pages even though that index is supposedly deprecated, it may need a clean up effort on its own.
edited 23rd Jun '14 11:12:34 AM by SeptimusHeap
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
Today's worklist includes a few older items:
- Chronicles of Magic: Stub work page; creator messaged.
- Dragon Ball Xenoverse: Stub work page; creator messaged.
- Kamen Rider Sin: Stub work page; creator messaged.
- Transformers Kre-O: Work page without a description are undesirable, ~DAMartin.
- Videogame Fic: Still need opinions on it.
Also, someone ought to help ~haloarh index EZ Streets; screwing around with page types is not the right way.
Finally, regarding Neon Genesis Evangelion, I'll probably post that to the show thread - a disambig is not what that namespace is for.
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
Slightly accellerated reviews, today.
First off, with reference to an Ask The Tropers report today by ~mlsmithca, ~On The Tropes Nick (the person behind the TV Tropes podcast) went around and made a bunch of malformed unindexed Podcast/ subpages like Podcast.No Plot No Problem that are completely different from the standard Podcast/ pages. Was there any discussion about this?
Worklist:
- Kingdom Hearts New Epic The First: The page ought to be indexed and crosswicked, ~Nick The Swing.
- Tomb Raider Chronicles: Stub work page; creator messaged.
- On The Tropes: A page about the TV Tropes podcast, but we have one already on Podcast.On The Tropes.
- Vexed: Stub work page; creator messaged.
I'm assuming in both my ATT post and in this post that, if those even deserve their own pages, they certainly don't go in the Podcast/ namespace (is there enough content for them even to merit pages in the Recap/ namespace?), but as they consist solely of sets of links to the different hosts for the podcast, they seem to qualify as stubs anyway, and should just be cut. (And they have multiple formatting problems, to boot.)
As I said in ATT, I haven't sent On the Tropes Nick a PM as I'm honestly not sure how to phrase what he (or she) has done wrong, partly because I'm not entirely sure of which rules have been broken.
Podcaster Guy
Hey there, So maybe I just should explain was I was TRYING to go for and you can let me know where I went wrong. Basically, I was just trying to make it so that on the pages of tropes we've reviewed, there would be the little podcast icon in the subpages section at the top for an easy link to the show. Is there a different (better) way to do this?
Very sorry for the hassle, hope I didn't piss anyone off. I'm not very computer literate, obviously. -Nick
http://onthetropes.podomatic.com
~On The Tropes Nick, seems like what you want is that pages you've reviewed to reference that. Given that Eddie has already set up a default button linking to WikiSandbox.OTT on every page, you may want to ask him if he can rig up a system that automatically references the reviews on the reviewed pages. Using the podcast icon for that is a bad idea since a) it's at odds with how the Podcast/ namespace is used and confusing and b) the pages are - by wiki work page standards - pretty bad.
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
Podcaster Guy
Will do. Thanks, sorry for the trouble
http://onthetropes.podomatic.com
One last thing, we still need to fix On The Tropes (it doesn't go into that namespace, for starters) and the podcast pages.
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
Podcaster Guy
Should I do that? I'm willing to, but loathe to butcher something else in the process
http://onthetropes.podomatic.com
On The Tropes can easily go to Recap.On The Tropes - that is the normal place for episode lists. As for the Podcast/ pages, I support a cut.
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
Podcaster Guy
Also, if you were to recreate the recap page in the proper namespace, please use the correct namespaces for each work mentioned rather than using the Main/ redirects. No movie should be linked without the Film/ namespace, for example, and so on.
Looks like the intention was simple enough. Direct people to the OTT show which discussed a particular work.
There are some issues that need to be addressed, though. A given show can cover more than one work, so we can't key off the work's title. OTT/Avatar, for example, would only be able to take us to one show. If another work was referred to in the same show we wouldn't be able to get to it.
Then there is the case where Avatar is referred to in multiple shows.
How about this, then: We put up an OTT/ namespace. The things in that namespace will be pages about individual podcasts, by the podcast title. The page will have a list of shows referred to. I'll then do a markup that causes a list of pages to be maintained. (Similar to how the index markup maintains a list of pages.)
This list will allow multiple entries for a work, as long as the podcast title is unique for the combination of work title and podcast title.
The work's page will then be able to put up an icon for each podcast page referring to the work.
It'll take a week or so to implement all this.
Goal: Clear, Concise and Witty
I wish I'd seen this before I put the pages back on the cutlist (I'm assuming their disappearance with no verdict was at least partly your doing, Eddie?).
The idea for a dedicated OTT namespace sounds like a good one if the object, as I think I understand it to be, is to highlight the pages that have been mentioned in the podcast. That said, Nick, if I may make a suggestion, give the various page creation pages in the Administrivia/ namespace a thorough read to get an idea of what constitutes widely-used standards of formatting for page creation and structure; the original versions were rather wide of the mark when it came to indentation and formatting links within the wiki.
edited 25th Jun '14 11:48:15 PM by mlsmithca
On the podcast thing, seems like the suggestion in @1923 is that the podcasts should get their own pages. Each of these pages will list works referred to - and a mechanism that will reference the podcasts on work pages the podcasts refer to.
That seems like a good solution. I presume that it will render the current Podcast/ pages unnecessary.
Otherwise: Today's worklist:
- Plot.AJCO: This stubey article in a nonstandard namespace is asking for immediate cutlisting, but I'll see whether ~catterfly can explain it.
- AJCO: Several people here need reminders to crosswick their examples.
- The Blonde Sonic: Stub work page; creator messaged.
- Compass Rose: Stub work page; creator messaged.
- Elementary.A Landmark Story, Elementary.M and Sandbox.Recaps Elementary: By ~randomtroper89, these pages should if anywhere go into the appropriate Recap/ pages.
- The Man Who Planted Trees: Stub work page; creator messaged.
- The Sunne In Splendor: Stub work page; creator messaged.
Someone might want to talk to 66genius, by the way - they frequently forget to index or crosswick their pages.
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
Today's worklist:
Also, ~Tropers/ Miss Mokushiroku went around and broke a number of redirects, leaving blank pages and mistyped pages behind. I've already messaged them.
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman