Is this an example?

For Gendercide, in this example:

In The Queen of The Damned the titular vampire attempts this with males. By her own power. Or worse. A bunch of boys and girls who are just entering puberty, and no adult supervision? And yes, that was the official reason for the lack of girls.

How do the pre-pubecent kids relate to the gendercide-al vampire queen? I read summaries of The Queen of the Damned, and they don't mention teenagers anywhere...

Also, that section was there when the trope was migrated from YKTTW. Perhaps the teenager section was supposed to be connected to another example. If so, where?

edited 18th Feb '15 12:23:35 PM by Malady

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Does this work? I've thought about seeing it as a trope invoked by a phenomenon, or a zigzagged play, or a simple justified, or not at all an example. Would like opinions.

The work in question is Manga.Witch Craft Works

• Retcon: Weekend arc (that concludes the 12-episode anime) has its aftermath explored in the manga. Back in school, main character sees results posted for that one test, which the main character's class was taking when Weekend's bomb explosion ended the world locally (throwing witches into turmoil and causing common people to be stashed away on uncertain hiatus). He considers his test score to be surprisingly high and accuses World-Healing Wave (the phenomenon that repaired the city to its lively proper) for apparent unjust favoritism in its assignment of events that should've transpired during the time gap. At first that is, later he is seeing evidence of the contrary.

edited 19th Feb '15 5:54:04 AM by NemuruMaeNi

If it's a large-scale Retcon that occurred as a result of an In-Universe event, it's a Cosmic Retcon.

• Protagonist-Centered Morality: Adam's destruction of the cloning facility is presented as a good thing, and his views on cloning and death compared to Drucker's are presented as right, simply because he's the protagonist.

Is this example in The 6th Day a correct example?

edited 19th Feb '15 5:59:04 PM by MagBas

Doesn't sit well. To be honest, the only part that set off thoughts of Retcon is the small one towards the end of example. The guy thinks the World-Healing Wave effect acted with bias, retooled things to make things more comfortable for him. I don't think there's anything to suggest that Muggles portion of time flow was present at all. The repair event was rather filling in the blank, technically not overwriting an inconvenient reality with a different one.

But then who says the lack of reality is convinient, hmmm...

It sounds review-ish (which is bad per Administrivia.How To Write An Example) in the part where it goes "simply because". The approval outlook could be a coincidence (which would warrant the trope instance, but not the "because" part of the wording). Needs clarified context to establsh the in-universeness of approval, without which the trope doesn't work (see note in description of Protagonist-Centered Morality)

edited 20th Feb '15 12:01:30 AM by NemuruMaeNi

This was added to Dragons: Lexicon Triumvirate a few days ago. Not entirely sure whether it's the correct trope or not.

• Villain with Good Publicity: Drekkenoth being the king of Drakemight has his loyal subjects eat black orbs that will boost there intelligence the only ones that don't eat them are Dennagon and the rebels. In actuality the black orbs are devices that corrupt them into mind controlled cyborg dragons.

I know it's a YMMV trope, but this recent addition to the Narm entry in the TV folder of YMMV.The Walking Dead doesn't quite seem like it actually applies:

• Noah killing his zombified younger brother with a model airplane. This isn't the first time someone has killed a walker with a strange item, but that was just ridiculous.

It seems to me like this is misusing Narm as "something I didn't like" more than "inadvertently funny dramatic moment", but since it is a YMMV trope I thought just cutting it might not have been kosher, so to speak.

All your safe space are belong to Trump

I'd say that's using Narm to stealth-complain. Which is misuse of the trope. Which is valid grounds for cutting it. If the example explained why it was Narmy {"Narm is a moment that is supposed to be serious, but ... the drama is lost to the point of surpassing "cheesy" and becoming unintentionally funny. ... Much of the strength of a Narmy moment comes from the severity of Mood Whiplash caused by it"}, on the other hand,....

edited 20th Feb '15 8:54:38 AM by Madrugada

...if you don’t love you’re dead, and if you do, they’ll kill you for it.

I agree with your assessment, which would make that misuse, which is a legit reason to remove it. But I suggest waiting for a second opinion just to be safe. EDIT: Ninja'd. There's your second opinion. :p

I have no idea what trope they're describing, but they're not describing Villain with Good Publicity. It's either misuse, shoehorning, or just a lack of helpful context. I would comment it out and PM the troper who added it (if you can find it in the history) to ask them to reread VWGP and add context that explains how it fits the trope. Also, the grammar is pretty bad—"there" should be "they're", and I think there should be a new sentence starting with "The only ones".

Well, it's not a straight Retcon if it happens with an In-Universe cause; that would make it a Cosmic Retcon. And to be perfectly honest the context doesn't explain what the hell is going on, which is necessary to understand how it fits the trope. Right now (since it states that he is mistaken) it sounds like a Discussed and (apparently) Subverted Cosmic Retcon.

What I'm understanding here is that Muggles get stashed away in some kind of pocket space where they don't experience time, but the real world continues to pass time normally, albeit with magical shenanigans and whatnot. When the shenanigans are over, the Muggles are brought back and the world is "rewritten" as if to be in a state where it had never happened, and everything that would have happened in that time if the Muggles had never left, did. So from the Muggles' perspective, it's more of an In-Universe Time Skip; but from the universe's perspective, as well as the main protagonist, it really does sound like a Cosmic Retcon to me. But again, I'm not familiar with the work and the example context is only partially helpful there.

edited 20th Feb '15 9:00:15 AM by SolipSchism

That latter sounds more like a Reset Button...

"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"

Ooh. Good point. That is a closer fit.

{{1130}}: Okay, thanks.

Does the color lavender count for the color part of purple-related tropes such as Graceful Ladies Like Purple, Supernatural Is Purple, and Purple Is Powerful? Because the character of Queen Serenity from Sailor Moon has a light shade of lavender for her hair color, and is a graceful proper lady (first trope), is a wielder of magic (second trope), and is a queen whose magical power was strong enough to banish an Eldritch Abomination that devastated her utopian kingdom for millennia (third trope).

Fiat iustitia, et pereat mundus.

I should think so.

So, Gainaxing has a bad case of ZC Es I'd like to fix but just to be clear it's when breasts are bouncing unrealistically, right? So there shouldn't be that many non-animation examples, right?

edited 21st Feb '15 3:42:19 PM by captainpat

Not so much unrealistically but almost free floating.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman

No, there should be no non-animation/non-CGI examples.

edited 21st Feb '15 3:00:33 PM by Madrugada

...if you don’t love you’re dead, and if you do, they’ll kill you for it.

That would rule out comic books and manga, though. And gainaxing does happen in manga.

Fiat iustitia, et pereat mundus.

Hello, I was wondering if anyone could help me confirm if the following qualify as examples for Fridge Brilliance from Shirokuma Cafe, and if they count only as YMMV or as In-Universe examples as they are lampshaded by the characters but don't really elicit the fridge response in them. This may be obvious by reading the YMMV page in the case of in-universe examples, but it's always better to be safe than sorry, right?

• Panda is horrified that his little sister finds Handa (her 'prince') attractive. She points out that Handa's pandaesque physique accounts for that.
• Grizzly's mother claiming she's only seventeen years old, and the other animals' surprise at her looks for her age which follows, is realistic if you think of a wild grizzly's lifespan.
  Panda Mama: What? You don't look it at all! You're older than me?
  Grizzly's Mom: Well, I am a bear.

I'm pretty sure they are Fridge Brilliance, but the latter issue stil bothers me.

Edit: Nevermind, they are and belong in YMMV, thanks anyways.

edited 24th Feb '15 12:35:43 PM by Xtroper

@ post #1126: the example doesn't make much sense. How To Write An Example has a point about making entries accessible to non-fans, so that example at the very least deserves being commented out. To delete it would be fine.

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Regarding Witch Craft Works, I think I'll go with Cosmic Retcon, yes, thank you. But the part about Reset Button is covered fine with the World-Healing Wave, its subtrope; it's just that Muggles are same as landscape, architecture or furniture for that wave. Some Time Axis trope would be needed to account for the rest of clockwork at work.

edited 25th Feb '15 4:50:06 AM by NemuruMaeNi

Protectorate, is this trope applicable to villains or bad guys who have a person they are fiercely protective of?

I think it's morality-neutral, IMHO.

Devil May Cry character Sparda is described as resembling both of his sons in the following entry:

This doesn't seem like an example of Generation Xerox to me, subverted or inverted. In fact, this seems like an inversion of Patchwork Kids, where instead of the child of two characters being a composite of traits from both of them, we have the parent of two characters being such a composite. Is my assessment correct?

Fiat iustitia, et pereat mundus.

• Generally, whenever there's an argument between Alan and Denny on Boston Legal, Alan is clearly supposed to be right, and Denny clearly wrong, generally just by virtue of Alan holding the same viewpoint as David E. Kelley. Alan, unlike Denny, is never asked to defend his viewpoint or challenged on some less-than-strictly-true statements he makes, and Denny has many Strawman Has a Point moments that are not explored by the series. This is most evident when they argue gun control (Denny having a gun more than once was the reason that situations did not escalate, but because Denny is a gun nut who has also caused a lot of harm due to this, we aren't supposed to notice when his gun habit pays off), as well as a conversation where Denny is forced by Alan to name even one good reason to vote for John McCain but Alan is never asked to name a good reason to vote for Obama.

Is this a correct Protagonist-Centered Morality example?

Okay, so I know this is an example, I'm just not 100% sure on which type of Playing With Tropes it is. Now, this whole example is shown very early on (less than 40 pages in, the protagonists encountering it have already figured out the basics), and fairly upfront, so I don't see it as a subversion. I'm wondering if it's an inversion or something else, or if I should just be lazy and call it "playing with".

The trope: Portal Pool

The example: The Witling by Vernor Vinge features a psychic race that can teleport. However, as the protagonists realize, teleportation across long distances on a planetary surface is highly dangerous because there will almost always be a significant difference in velocity between your location and your destination due to the different rotational speeds at different latitudes—basically, if you teleport to a place that is the same distance from the equator, you'll be fine; otherwise, splat. The psychic race thus typically uses pools of water as both departure and destination, because it dampens the impact.

Thoughts?

I'm not sure about Nero, (I'd need to know more about the genetics) but I agree about the inversion of Patchwork Kids for Dante and Vergil.

Looks good to me, but creators don't get their names italicized.

No, it looks to be completely irrelevant, unless the pools are built to accommodate this teleportation.

edited 4th Mar '15 6:07:36 AM by crazysamaritan

Link to TRS threads in project mode here.