Choosing a new name (New Crowner 2.29): We Could Have Avoided All This

I'm getting a vibe that this is being potholed for fan speculation (e.g: "the story's central conflict could have been avoided if only Y happened instead"), which isn't what the trope is about. This trope is more that it gets pointed out to them that We Could Have Avoided All This.

An Ear Worm is like a Rickroll: It is never going to give you up.

Do a purge.

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Ai sai this is a pretty non-indicative name for this trope.

The title could be re-used for a trope about missed opportunities in general, with "villain trying to solve problems with violence" as a subtrope.

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Can this be locked? Is there more to discuss?

Link to TRS threads in project mode here.

did a purge from ptitle through A.

Locked page:

• https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ptitleuwj4vs3q

Fake Wick:

• https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ptitlegynukzwikxmd

Link to TRS threads in project mode here.

I went in and purged a bunch of examples, but don't have the time to clean up the wicks on works pages.

The examples probably could use some more paring down, but I felt on less firm ground with deleting some of the given examples.

edited 28th Nov '11 5:21:00 AM by Nohbody

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I tried my hand at cleaning up the rest of the wicks. If someone wants to check my work a bit here, that might be a good idea though.

Anyway, there may be a good case for renaming this trope. First, it is a Stock Phrase title. Second, the cleanup showed that the trope had been being misused quite a bit (more than 220 wicks out of about 375 were deleted because of misuse for fan speculation and the like).

That being the case, there is now a single proposition rename crowner for this trope here.

edited 3rd Feb '12 2:32:49 PM by LouieW

"irhgT nm0w tehre might b ea lotof th1nmgs i dont udarstannd, ubt oim ujst goinjg to keepfollowing this pazth i belieove iN !!!!!1 d

Crowner has been pinned to the thread.

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Over fifty percent? Anyway, if you can document specific tropes as examples then please do, it helps to show your work.

An Ear Worm is like a Rickroll: It is never going to give you up.

Sorry about that, I did not keep the greatest record of specific instances of misuse since the earlier discussion just suggested we do a cleanup. If this listing is inadequate, I can try to add more details though.

Anyway, from what I can tell, there are about 155 correct uses of the trope (i.e., in-universe examples). Here is a small sampling of the misuse I found*

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Misuse for fan speculation

• Headscratchers.Yu-Gi-Oh R
• Video Game.Wraith
• Manga.World Embryo
• WesternAnimation.Winx Club
• Main.What Do You Mean Its For Kids
• WhatAnIdiot.Western Animation
• WallBangers.Video Games
• TheScrappy.Video Games
• Main.Van Helsing Hate Crimes
• Recap.Teen Titans S 2 E 3 Terra
• Series.Twenty Four
• WMG.Tsubasa Reservoir Chronicle
• Main.True Blood
• Main.Transformation Sequence
• Main.Tragic Mistake
• Main.Tragedy
• Main.Too Dumb To Live
• Main.TNA
• Main.The Vampire Diaries
• Main.The Spirit Engine 2
• Headscratchers.The Scarlet Pimpernel
• Literature.The Pentagon War
• Main.The Last Chance Detectives
• Film.The Hole
• WMG.The Elder Scrolls V Skyrim
• Main.The Darkness
• Main.The Call Has Bad Reception
• Film.The Brute Man
• VideoGame.The Bards Tale
• Main.The Bad And The Beautiful
• Recap.The Angry Beavers E 5 Gift Hoarse
• Series.The Addams Family
• Anime.Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann
• VideoGame.Tales Of Vesperia
• VideoGame.Tales Of Symphonia Dawn Of The New World
• VideoGame.Tales Of Phantasia
• Headscratchers.Sym-BionicTitan
• Roleplay.Survival Of The Fittest
• VideoGame.Superhero City
• Film.Sunshine
• Main.Star Trek Legacy: (Little context)
• Main.Star Trek Deep Space Nine
• Anime.Spirited Away

Misuse for speculation about real life/historical events

• Main.World War One (Speculating about how historical events could have happened differently)
• Main.What Could Have Been (Another example about real life events)
• CowboyBebopAtHisComputer.Western Animation (Review would have been different if the reviewer looked at the back cover of a movie case)
• Main.The Tonight Show (Another real life events example)
• Characters.Tekken6 (Talking about how a fandom could have done things differently)

Other Misuse

• MagicTheGathering.The Thran (Potholing of the phrase "There was never any actual conflict.")
• Series.The Outer Limits (Misuse for Poor Communication Kills)

In general, uses of We Could Have Avoided All This were accompanied by fan speculation, a good portion of which seemed to encourage natter as people debated what would have happened.

I wonder if a simple rename to "Could Have Avoided This!" Plot or Could Have All Been Avoided Plot might work. To be honest, I do not really know what a good replacement name would look like.

edited 4th Feb '12 12:19:28 PM by LouieW

"irhgT nm0w tehre might b ea lotof th1nmgs i dont udarstannd, ubt oim ujst goinjg to keepfollowing this pazth i belieove iN !!!!!1 d

Calling crowner.

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Unnecessary Strife? Didnt Just Ask?

There is now an alternative titles crowner for this trope here. Feel free to add names as you see fit.

"irhgT nm0w tehre might b ea lotof th1nmgs i dont udarstannd, ubt oim ujst goinjg to keepfollowing this pazth i belieove iN !!!!!1 d

Calling crowner in favor of "Could Have Avoided This!" Plot.

Waiting on a TRS slot? Finishing off one of these cleaning efforts will usually open one up.

Fixed the indexes and moved the pages, but I'll need some help for the wicks.

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There's still 190 wicks left to move here.

Waiting on a TRS slot? Finishing off one of these cleaning efforts will usually open one up.

180 wicks left.

Waiting on a TRS slot? Finishing off one of these cleaning efforts will usually open one up.

140 wicks left.

Waiting on a TRS slot? Finishing off one of these cleaning efforts will usually open one up.

And done.

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