Wild Mass Guessing for Pokémon Black 2 and White 2. All guesses pertaining to the first games should be placed here.
- Without Memory Link, your opponent will be the opposite gender of your character. If ubers are allowed in the tournament, they'll use Reshiram in Black 2 and Zekrom in White 2.
- With Memory Link, your opponent will have the same gender as your character from the linked game. Linking to Black will give them Reshiram, and linking to White will give them Zekrom. It's also remotely possible that their name might also be overwritten with your BW character's name.
- Will they have the starter you picked in the first game?
- Jossed, sadly.
- For the people who want to actually re-adventure through Hoenn in new games, that is a complete slap in the face.
- To make it a bit less so, the case could have the Hoenn starters instead, or the region could be Johto (which was remade) instead of Hoenn.
- Although, it's perfect for an Orre continuation.
- OP: Either a Black/White or a Colosseum/Gale of Darkness continuation would serve the above-mentioned purpose just fine. And let's face it, Game Freak DOES have a bit of an inner troll.
- Just about jossed; we have gym leaders revealed now, but it IS confirmed to take place after B&W. Two years, in fact.
- Yep. At least one of the Sages had a Heel–Face Turn, and it was Rood.
- Gorm seems to have done a Heel–Face Turn as well, though he has no impact on the main plot, unfortunately.
- Jossed, the protagonists are all new.
- It is confirmed, however, that Black 2 and White 2 will take place after Black/White 1; two years after.
- A: Catching Kyurem in the Giant Chasm isn't canon
- and B: Something must have happened to N after Black and White. But what?
- He's fine, but Kyurem forcibly assimilated his dragon.
- Except aren't these games sequels?
- Are they? The games are actually called Version 2, which implies that it is just Black and White, but enhanced in some way.
- Except all of the main series games have Version as part of the title, it's just that no one really ever uses them. It's more likely that these are sequels.
- Confirmed by CoroCoro to be sequels.
- Not really. All they've actually said is that it's a "whole new adventure", which... well, Platinum was also sold as a "whole new adventure" when it was first announced. Basically, it means nothing until we get some more info. Even if these two games are more than just the usual third version divided into two, and even if they really are a "whole new adventure" and not just being sold as one, we've gotten nothing to tell us that these are even going to be sequels and not something else entirely (whatever that might be).
- No, it was confirmed. “You thought it was just a different colour? This time it is ’2′, an utterly different story full of impact and new features are waiting for you!” That's what the announce says.
- I do not see the word "sequel" in there anywhere. And again, Platinum had a similar announcement. Until we get some actual information on the games besides two sentences of hype, we know nothing.
- And finally confirmed to take place 2 years after the events of BW, with two entirely new main characters, new gym leaders, and a new villianous team.
- Are they? The games are actually called Version 2, which implies that it is just Black and White, but enhanced in some way.
- It's possible, but it could be unrelated — bear in mind that Reshiram and Zekrom both have similarly shaped tails which at times glow/burn red and blue respectively. Also, the red one is more orangeish as opposed to being rubyish.
- People see what they want to see... the logo is simply frozen, to represent Kyurem. Blue ice for Black 2, reddish ice for White 2, in order to evoke the typing and color scheme of Zekrom and Reshiram (and Kyurem's new forms).
- Jossed with the end of Gen 5, plus ORAS.
- It's a direct sequel, so giving us new protagonist would piss off a lot of fans/undermine all the work and effort Hilda/Hilbert went through in the first two games. Best to just keep it as either of them or use N with either Anthea or Concordia being female player characters since they probably left to go after him.
- Nothing about these games are confirmed. Don't jump to conclusions quite yet.
- Jossed. There are whole new protagonists.
- Which is completely understandable, as the alternative would be an egregious Bag of Spilling.
- Confirmed, at least for Keldeo.
- Part of Unova is already New Jersey based.
- Not a new region; however, new content (e.g. gyms) is likely in Jersey, considering the fact that practically everything East of the East River or North of Westchester is covered in a glacier.
- Small correction to the spoiler: the only part of Unova that got frozen is Opelucid City. The initial guess is basically confirmed, though.
The truth recreated W-Kyurem, but it lacked something, while ideals created B-Kyurem, though it also lacked something; thus, when the twin dragons were reborn from the stones, they were more complete, because the trainer summoning them had much stronger belief in what they represented, and since the icy grey bits represented a void, they were drawn to each other after being cast off during the original fight. The real reason for the Giant Chasm was the result of the remains trying to fix itself by making up for what it lack just as it impacted where the chasm is now (though this is more of a side guess).
The reason Kyurem regains these forms is because whoever is using it has a stronger belief in truth or ideals. On the note, the original dragon may only be brought back when someone has all three of the tao trio in their party.
Later, there will be some big disturbance at the Giant Chasm. Being the dutiful Pokemon protagonist that you are, you go investigate. Surprise! N and his dragon will also be there, trying to help the local Pokemon in distress. But before you get a chance to catch up, guess who appears and starts ranting about how the two of you ruined his plans, but now he'll finally have his revenge?
Ghetsis then reveals that when Reshiram and Zekrom split off from each other long ago, Kyurem was left behind as a frozen husk. But under the right circumstances, it could be made whole once again. All it would take is for Kyurem and one of the Tao dragons to be together in the presence of a certain item. And of course, you were thoughtful enough to bring that very item along with you. Ghetsis draws Kyurem to him and the McGuffin activates, pulling Kyurem and N's dragon to it and merging them into one entity. (Why didn't Ghetsis just hold onto the McGuffin himself? He was on the run and needed to make sure it wouldn't be lost if he ever got caught. And this way, not only does N lose his beloved Pokemon partner, but you'll also both be haunted by the fact that you, the first human N could ever begin to open up to, had a hand in it. And why doesn't the McGuffin affect your dragon if you have it in your party at the time? It was safe in its Pokeball, while N's was out in the open.)
Ghetsis moves in to capture Kyurem, but N, instead of slipping into a Heroic BSoD as expected, calls on the local Pokemon to help him stop his father. While they're thus preoccupied, N shouts for you to save not just his own dragon, but Kyurem as well, from being doomed to an unhappy life as a pawn in Ghetsis' evil plan.
Naturally, the story has a happy ending; either you capture Kyurem, and since you cannot capture another Trainer's Pokemon, N's dragon will be separated from it along with the McGuffin, or you defeat Kyurem before it's too late, and it no longer has the energy to maintain the fusion. In either case, N's dragon will be freed and Ghetsis will be stopped. Upon closer inspection of the McGuffin, you'll see that it now contains an imprint of N's dragon's aura. The altered McGuffin will then be a regular, equippable item, allowing you to bestow Kyurem with its alternate forme whenever you like without having to sacrifice N's dragon.
- tl;dr = The stuff in the title is Confirmed, as if not for your arrival, N wouldn't arrive to save you from Ghetsis' Kyurem... but Ghetsis knew that N would do that. He then fuses Kyurem and N's dragon into White/Black Kyurem.
- Confirmed.
The hero befriended another dragon who dwelt above and together they toppled King Kyurem, sending his prone form crashing down to the land below. With their oppressor gone, the people were united under their hero and he founded the Unova region. Lost to history, Kyurem awoke in the depths of a giant chasm. The spread of people had sent the Musketeers into hiding and though less severe, continued conflict between people had split the hero's dragon into two dormant halves. Kyurem was technically free to reign again, but was too weak to return to his throne; he could barely make it out of the chasm. So he decided to live there for awhile, setting out every night to feast on whatever he could catch to regain strength.
Once again, conflict awoke the halves of the hero's dragon just when Kyurem had recovered enough to cross the Unova region, and he set out after them. One was defeated and flew to a faraway land, but one stayed behind and Kyurem defeated him. He's not quite the same, but the king is back to full strength; he used the remains of his defeated foe to get there. Now he plans to destroy the region his foe created. Unova is as much for Pokemon as it is for people, though, and there are still three Pokemon who can take down Kyurem and cut out the dragon pieces he has assimilated...
- This means that Kyurem's cover forms will be Unusable Enemy Equipment with illegally strong attacks and three types at once instead of the usual maximum of two. After defeating Kyurem, players will probably get to unlock its much more reasonable, dual typed, "original true form" that will be able to learn Freeze Shock in Black 2 and Ice Burn in White 2.
- Well, I don't know about illegal attacks and typing, but the respective forms DO in fact learn Freeze Shock and Ice Burn. Their base stats are suspiciously high as well.
- Well, it's true that they don't even get cameos, but their mother confirms that they're just fine.
- Impossible, due to the way DS game cards work.
- Action Replay made it work.
- Jossed in that it's not traditional lock-on; however, there's a "Memory Link" function that allows you to unlock/change aspects of B2W2 from your BW game, including battles against Bianca and Cheren based upon their BW teams.
- What does this WMG even mean?
- Let me try to explain this as best as I understand. The reason that there are Pokemon from previous generations from the start is since they escaped from the PC system, which Team Plasma hijacked in Black and White.
- I actually had this in mind: maybe a sibling (older or younger doesn't matter, but I'm leaning towards older) would travel to Unova, after having traveled throughout all of the other regions just to find N (with his team members all from the different regions). If it was me doing the writing, then maybe the two wouldn't meet or realize that they're related, but all the implications would be there. (Bonus points if the sibling's team makes hints towards a remake for Ruby and Sapphire.)
- Who'll be the starters then? Will he only have Reshiram or Zekrom, reduced to level 5 somehow?
- Maybe he has it at level 50, but ends up losing it somehow or it gets reduced in levels, or perhaps you get to keep it and its levels while the genral level of the Pokemon and trainers are much higher than normal.
- Seemingly Jossed, partly due to the reveal of new characters (Supporting Protagoni?), and partly due to the Dragon that gets fused with Kyurem being the same as N's, implying just about anything...
- It contains the spirit of an ancient pharaoh, a master of Pokémon Battling, who possesses him to help him win battles and look cool. Bonus points if he's voiced by Dan Green in the anime.
- Seems to have been Jossed since there's still no word on it.
- This base theory seems to have Support, given practically everything East of the East River or North of Westchester is covered in a glacier.
- Sadly seems to be Jossed, especially considering that the only part of Unova that got literally frozen was Opelucid City.
- Unlikely, but not for retcon reasons. They could easily just say he cast off the other three elements but continues to fly around in the sky. Unlikely because there isn't too much evidence that there was any third part left over when the original dragon split. We know Kyurem is related to the others, being Wuji, but Wuji isn't exactly part of the Yin Yang symbol, we really don't know what that relation is yet.
- Given the new data above, it's more likely that Kyurem is an equal counterpart to Groundon and Kyogre and the other dragons were split from Kyurem as was previously thought.
- Almost definitively jossed with the new plot in ORAS, plus the game itself pretty much all but states that the above point is canon.
- ...Or what he did with Lucas/Dawn.
- Maybe Ghetsis managed to steal the Dragon Trio from Lucas/Dawn, but was unable to access the Pokeballs/get the Dragon Trio under control (deities tend to reward people who save the world and not people who abuse their children for power.) The orbs needed to be handed to "heroes" so that Ghetsis can finally control them, or more than that.
- No mention is given to the Sinnoh dragons or protags. Either the orbs are non-canon or there's just multiples of them, which would make sense since Arceus can make multiple dragons.
- Confirmed, it takes place two years after the originals.
- Backstory part confirmed, they're revealed to be N's adoptive sisters.
- Sadly, nope. We still don't know.
- Zinzolin means purple, so he could use the Liepard, Gothita and Meinshao lines
- Gorm means bule, so he could use the Roggenrola, Ducklett and Woobat lines
- Bromius means brown, so he could use the Vullaby, Sandile and Stunfisk lines
- Giallo means yellow, so he could use the Joltik, Scraggy and Sewaddle lines
- Ryoku means green, so he could use the Solosis, Golett and Maractus lines
- Rood means red, so he could use the Heatmor, Venipede and Darumaka lines
- Confirmed in that you get to fight sages. However, only two of them are present in the game. Rood is no longer affiliated with Neo Team Plasma, and has Herdier and Swoobat, whilst Zinzolin who works for Neo Team Plasma uses Cryogonal and Sneasel/Weavile.
- I'd pick N anytime.
- You can keep N, Bianca's where it's at.
- Screw them, I want Hilbert or Hilda. Imagine having one of them as an ally.
- You can keep N, Bianca's where it's at.
Once you beat the main game, the red boat in Castelia City (the one in the port closest to the city entrance) will become available for travel to the other regions. At first, you'll only be able to travel to Sinnoh, but the other regions will become available as you beat each region's Pokemon League (8 Gyms plus Elite 4), the specifics and changes of each are explained below.
- Sinnoh League:
- Canalave City; Leader Saturn (He takes over because Byron retired between the events of Platinum and Black/White. His Gym will be unavailable when you first arrive)
- The rest of the gyms are unchanged until...
- Sunnyshore City; Leader Barry (he became Leader after Volkner joined the Elite Four)
- Then there's the Elite Four:
- Aaron and Lucian are in the same rank as before (1 and 4), and Flint is in Bertha's rank (2). The new 3rd member? None other than Volkner.
- Cynthia is no longer Champion (we'll find out why later). The new Champion is... Lucas! (Like Cynthia, Lucas doesn't stick to a particular type)
- Canalave City; Leader Saturn (He takes over because Byron retired between the events of Platinum and Black/White. His Gym will be unavailable when you first arrive)
- Hoenn League:
- New Mauvile City; Leader May (Like Byron and Bertha, Wattson retired between the events of Emerald and Black/White)
- The rest of the gym leaders are the same from Emerald.
- The Hoenn Elite Four has two changes:
- Drake has stepped down as the fourth member. His replacement? Wally. (As a nod to Pokémon-X, Wally will use green Pokemon. Mostly Grass-types, with his Gardevoir thrown in for comic-accuracy)
- Wallace is no longer Champion. The new Champion is... Brendan! (Another multitype user)
- New Mauvile City; Leader May (Like Byron and Bertha, Wattson retired between the events of Emerald and Black/White)
- Johto League:
- Mahogany Town; Leader Kris (Bryce stepped down)
- Clair is still Blackthorn City's Leader, but has matured greatly since her debut games.
- The Elite Four is the exact same lineup from (Heart)Gold/(Soul)Silver/Crystal, except, of course, for the Champion.
- Lance is no longer the Champion. The new Champion is...Ethan! (Multitype, but as a nod to The Legend of Thunder, he will use Typhlosion)
- Kanto League:
- You take on the Kanto League in the exact same order from the second generation.
- Before facing you at his Gym, Lt. Surge will greet you when you get off the boat (and at other places in the Kanto region), and this will be his Leitmotif, as a nod to the fan theory that Surge is Guile.
- Seafoam Island; Leader Lyra (guess who retired?)
- Viridian City; Leader Silver (Blue didnt retire, but instead gave Silver control of the Gym at his request. Gotta keep it in the family, after all).
- Once you beat the 8 Kanto Gyms, you dont go directly to Mt. Silver. Instead, you get access to...
- You take on the Kanto League in the exact same order from the second generation.
- The Sevii Islands:
- At One Island, Blaine battles you on Mt. Ember.
- At Two Island, Wattson is waiting to battle you, with Professor Rowannote also taking up a house there.
- At Three Island, Agatha and Bertha await, and you face them in a Double Battle.
- At Four Island, Loreli and Bryce await, and you face them in a Double Battle.
- At Five Island (Specifically at the Memorial Pillar), you run into Byron, but instead of fighting him there, he asks you to battle him at his house on Iron Island (back in the Sinnoh region)
- At Six Island, Lance is waiting for you on Outcast Island, while Drake is waiting at Ruin Valley.
- At Seven Island, none other than Professor freakin Oak challenges you to a battlenote .
- Once you complete the Sevii Island Challenge, you gain access to...
- Mt. Silver:
- Mt. Silver now houses the strongest Trainers in the entire world: The Ultimate 4.
- The first member of the Ultimate 4 you face is the former Sinnoh Champion, Cynthia. She uses the same team she had from the Undella Town villa.
- The second member of the Ultimate 4 you face is the (most recent) former Hoenn Champion, Wallace. He uses a slightly stronger (higher lvl) version of his team from Emerald.
- The third member of the Ultimate 4 you face is the other former Hoenn Champion, Steven. He uses a slightly stronger (higher lvl) version of his team from Emerald.
- The final member of the Ultimate 4 you face is the original Rival and former Kanto Champion, Blue. His team is similar to his Viridian leader team, but with Gen IV and V Pokemon sprinkled in (Machamp and Pidgeot are replaced by Conkeldurr and Mandibuzz, for example).
- When you beat the Ultimate 4, you get access to the summit of Mt. Silver, where you face the grandaddy of 'em all: Pokemon Master Red (a red Palette Swap of the Gen V Veteran sprite). Red's team will feature lvl 100 pokemon, and will have all of Ash's starters that evolved completely in the anime (Charizard, Sceptile, and Torterra), as well as a Female Unfezant (like Ash's from Best Wishes), a Seismitoad (All the Johto Starters are being used, and Ash already has a Palpitoad in the anime, so it's not too much of a stretch of the imagination) and, of course, Pikachu. (Similar to how Red in (Heart)Gold/(Soul)Silver had Ash's Orange Island team.)
- Of course, the girls could easily be the new champions and the boys could take roles as Gym Leaders or whatnot.
- Sadly Jossed, but confirmed at the same time. Confirmed in that you will get to fight the previous members of the League, but Jossed in that you dont leave Unova.
- Sadly, indeed. This troper, Alex Sora 89, humbly bows down in front of such a magnificently awesome theory, but, alas, regardless of the sheer impossibility of all five regions in the same game due to technical restrictions (maybe in a 3DS game card keeping the DS graphics, but sure as heck not in a DS card), having all five regions would mean players could get to catch a lot more Pokémon in the first place; that would, sadly, not only kill the purpose behind an expanded Unova Pokédex, but also that of Ruby and Sapphire remakes as well, and given Nintendo wants to make as much money as possible from the whole "One Game for the Price of Two" shtick, well, let's just say that such generosity isn't to be expected by what, in the end, is a business company after all.
- Well, they could still keep the whole "One Game for the Price of Two" shtick by dividing the 'mons you can catch in each region. For example, you could only catch Pokemon from Diamond, Sapphire, (Soul)Silver, and Blue/LeafGreen in Black 2, and you could only catch pokemon from Pearl, Ruby, (Heart)Gold, and (Fire)Red in White 2.
- Mt. Silver now houses the strongest Trainers in the entire world: The Ultimate 4.
- Partially confirmed-you will be able to fight the real deal.
- Regardless of the confirmed Continuity Cavalcade, this idea would be much easier - scratch that, it's actually possible - to implement than the "five-regions-in-one-game" theory above, in both the "people" aspect (confirmed) and the "regions as towns" aspect.
- What? This is Wild Mass Guessing after all.
- Guessing the Master is not that Wild
- Going back to a previous WMG, the chief accomplices of the aforementioned have names referring to colors. Specifically, Red, Green, Blue, Yellow, Purple, and Brown. The same colors as Cipher's Goldfish Poop Gang. Said cohortsnote are The Hexagon Brothers!
- I see you preempted my suggestion that the new Poison Gym Leader might by lying about her type. She wears purple and blue, and purple and black are themed throughout her stage area, and her Guitar. Yeah, Purple is identified with Poison as well as Ghost, but, even going back to the SNES era, Purple Is the New Black. And as for how we can have a Dark Gym where an Elite member is Dark, all we have to do is go back to Johto...
- She was shown to own a Koffing in the anime. So... Poison, still no Dark.
- Confirmed.
- Who says the capture attempt had to be successful? If Kyurem is as ferocious as you claim, wouldn't he just resist capture from everything outside of a Master Ball (which would already have been used on Hilly's Dragon at the end of the last game) and just do the deed there? Nice Job Breaking It, Hero, Legendaries are not supposed to be pets. Also would explain how the hero's Dragon is lost because the hero didn't bring it here (and retained some measure of wisdom...)
As for how the other Dragon got merged, N, as The Atoner, and mourning for the loss of his redeemer, would not want to take revenge on Kyurem but rather help it. That may have worked in the past, and would have worked in the Anime, but it won't work this time and N's Dragon gets absorbed. Whether N dies or is able to escape can be left in the air.- I caught my dragons with a first-turn Quick Ball in both games. Master Balls are always Too Awesome to Use
- Pokelantis?
- Still nothing, unfortunately.
- Semi-Jossed. There are new leaders, but some of the old gyms, like Nimbasa City's, are coming back.
What if the events of Team Plasma somehow made it able to escape? Due to it escaping, It froze half of Unova in revenge. The game basically starts with you beginning your journey, while this disaster is happening. Some of the towns have relocated underground, and the desert resort has become a last resort for living. One of the main plots could be N's return, in order to calm Kyurem down, while Team Plasma tries to control it and freeze all of Unova.
- There is also one other thing as well. Depending on the version, the past hero from B/W gets wiped out due to the disaster, and loses his Pokemon. Kyurem takes their Tao dragon, and becomes stronger, which is what leads to N trying to return. A focus could be N being played as a villian, while he isn't.
- As for the crackpot theory, Unova got frozen for Being rude on Neopets.
- Maybe the Cerulean guy changed his mind about changing his mind? This troper thinks the villainous team is either a new Team Plasma (led by Akuroma!) or Team Rocket.
- Somewhat fitting, considering that Team Rocket will be playing an important part in the anime.
- Well Giovanni IS showing up, so there could be something to this.
- Sadly, it seems likely that this has been Jossed. According to the animated trailer, the new guys have the Team Plasma crest stitched on the breast of their uniforms. Seems they've gone underground.
- Actually, Genesect was created by a team of Team Plasma researchers, who aborted the project because N forbade it. There was a single researcher who didn't want to eschew the research and completed Genesect by himself, and you can battle him by bringing Genesect to P2 Laboratory in Black/White. So... probably not.
- He could still be connected. Maybe Akuroma worked with the scientist?
- And it's way better than that crappy Musical no one liked.
The Kyurem forms are the cover legendary's for the games of the same name (Black Kyurem for Black 2 and White Kyurem for White 2), unlike Black and White which had the opposite colored ones as the mascot (Zekrom for White and Reshiram for Black). Half the region freezing over is just the warning sign for the fact that cosmic balance has been disturbed.
- Hoenn is likely because it is the one region from the main series that cannot be accessed in a game made for the DS. Furthermore, the new forms of the Legendary Genies, who are weather based, suggest a weather-related relevance to the games, as does the fact that half of Unova is iced over. Finally, as each game is "remade" two generations later, Ruby and Sapphire should be expected to effectively be remade... except that they can't be, as Black and White take place at least 10 years after Ruby and Sapphire. To accomodate this, there will be a plotline in Hoenn relating to Teams Magma and Aqua.
- The Sevii Islands are likely because of their relative isolation from other parts of the Japan-based regions, the fact that Brock and Giovanni appear in Unova suggests a connection to Kanto, and the potential to explore more Islands in the vicinity. This is the least likely of the three, however.
- Orre is likely because it shares the same greater region with Unova (being based on an American location), because after 10 years Orre is likely to be thriving with Pokemon, and because there is a clear connection between Ghetsis/Plasma and Greevil/Cipher.
Group #1 is the original now reformed to be a legit organization dedicated to N's ideals and Pokemon rights.Group #2 is a new faction probably under the direct control of Ghetsis(Seeing as the Shadow Triad were loyal to him and him alone). They may or may not have cut the bullshit about trying to liberate Pokemon, and are basically Team Rocket's spiritual successors
- I really like this idea. It seems to fit with the theme of the Black and White games.
- Confirmed, Team Plasma has split in two.
"Team Plasma once said 'We realize the potential of Pokemon and it is best to free them from humans.' I, however, disagree with them."
Thus Akuroma can't be running the original base faction. Since we know Ghetsis is back and a lot of the Team Plasma members aren't that bright, he's probably the one running the original faction (the "knights") and Akuroma is running the new faction (the "ninjas").
- Jossed. Ghetsis and Akuroma are on the same side. Altough Akuroma later regrets his mistakes.
- This idea had been swimming around in my head for a while, and while I think it's a good idea, it seems like most other fans might start to get weary of the "Pokemon Black and White Saga" by then; instead desiring RS remakes or Gen 6 games.
- OP here. While I do agree that some fans may get weary of a "Black and White Saga," I think Game Freak and Nintendo would do it anyway, if for no other reason but the Franchise Branding aspect it would give them. And it gives a way to transition Pokemon over to the 3DS in a directly marketable way in preparation for Gen 6, and if they finally do remake R/S/E. Game Freak seems to really be on this "shake up the franchise" thing this Gen, and doing a full Black and White Trilogy is a easy - and marketable - way of doing that IMO.
- First Responder here, I'm really liking this idea now; Anyway, Black 3D/White 3D could be the perfect opportunity to showcase the Original Dragon, thereby making it a sort of "progression" leading up to completion. In BW, Reshiram/Zekrom are completely separated; in B2W2, one of them reunites with Kyurem and becomes 2/3 completed; and in Black/White 3D, they could finally combine with the last member of the trio and become one again. Plus, it could a perfect opportunity for Genesect to get some screentime, since B2W2 seems to be all about Keldeo and Meloetta. As far as the structure of the releases go, it might be possible that after B2W2 Game Freak would temporarily turn their attention to RS remakes to wrap up Gen 5 before moving on to BW3D, which would be considered the start of Gen 6 (and would allow for the introduction of new Pokemon such as the Original Dragon should it not be another Kyurem forme). However, should this prove to be the case, then I'm at loss as to what Gen 6's third game would be. Perhaps it would give rise to another change in formula; that being the start of a new story mid-Gen as a single game? It could still use Gen 6 Pokemon introduced in BW3D, but it would take place in a new region.
- OP again. I think Gen 6 incorporating any story elements from Gen 5 will all depend on if the new region for Gen 6 is anywhere close to Unova, or part of Unova. And I tend to think - outside of general Unova Pokemon appearing in the new region - all story elements related to Gen 5 will mostly stay in Gen 5. So if there is a Black 3D/White 3D I think it will for sure be part of Gen 5, and Gen 6 will be a totally new thing. That said, another alternative is - Pokemon Grey. Instead of doing Black 3D/White 3D, Pokemon Grey could be the final game of the "trilogy." Meaning instead of being just a Director's Cut of Black/White/Black 2/White 2 (because let's face it, if they did a standard Updated Re-release they couldn't do it of just Part 1 - .i.e. Black/White - now that we're getting a Part 2), Pokemon Grey alone could be the "Part 3" of the story. Either way, I don't think we're getting a standard "third game" this Gen (meaning if they do Black 3D/White 3D I don't think they'll be a Pokemon Grey . . . unless Game Freak are ready to make one game that contains the entire three-part story) . . . but whatever the third game is will be the game that closes out the Black/White story/saga.
- Alternatively, they could have both their RSE remake and their B3W3 as one game... by setting B3W3 in Hoenn as a sequel to both B2W2 and RSE, with a new story set in Hoenn that shows the effects of both Black/White and Black 2/White 2 on other parts of the world, or perhaps Team Plasma spreading to Hoenn (and possibly splitting off into revivals of Team Aqua and Team Magma) as well as what's happened to Hoenn in the years following RSE. Considering how long Black and White take place after RSE (At least 8, most likely 11, years later), plus the two year timeskip between B/W and B2/W2, it would make more sense than a straight-up remake.
- OP here. While I do agree that some fans may get weary of a "Black and White Saga," I think Game Freak and Nintendo would do it anyway, if for no other reason but the Franchise Branding aspect it would give them. And it gives a way to transition Pokemon over to the 3DS in a directly marketable way in preparation for Gen 6, and if they finally do remake R/S/E. Game Freak seems to really be on this "shake up the franchise" thing this Gen, and doing a full Black and White Trilogy is a easy - and marketable - way of doing that IMO.
- It will be called Pokemon Gray, and feature the original dragon as the 650th Pokemon. It'll be a Dragon/Water Pokemon(the Ice of Kyurem will be melted thank to Reshiram and Zekrom), with two extra formes(that change Water into either Fire or Electric).
- Similar to Pokemon Yellow, you'll have another starter and get to find the Unova starters across the region. Your starter? Zorua!
- The main antagonist will not be Ghetsis or even the Shadow Triad, but another member of the Harmonia family. He'll be the father of Ghetsis; an Anti-Villain who wants to restore the grandness of Unova before the split. We'll also find out a bit more about said Harmonia family: they're descended from the third, forgotten brother who refused to play a part in his siblings' squabbles. Hence the name "Harmonia". I wonder what he may be called.
- Ghetsis will appear, but after losing in BW 2, will be a raving, barely coherent lunatic who the Shadow Triad are keeping safe. His past will be revealed: instead of being given a Freudian Excuse, his "justification" for being evil is because of how well he was treated by his parents, leading his natural narcissim into full blown It's All About Me. If he doesn't regain his sanity, he'll be dropped off to the authorities by the Shadow Triad-realising that Ghetsis is beyond saving, and it's just safer for him and everyone else to be locked up. The fact that even the Shadow Triad has had enough of him will kill him inside. If he regains his sanity, Karmic Death, or better yet, Karmic Fate Worse than Death will follow.
- We'll finally see N's real family.
- This troper tried Embargo. It did not work.
- How? We're still in Gen V. I do think that there will be a trilogy, but why wait 2 Gens?
- Actually, Gen VII sounds too early. We got Gen I remakes in Gen III and Gen II remakes in Gen IV, but we didn't get our return to the Hoenn region until Gen VI. While the wait there may have been in part caused by Gen IV and Gen V being on the same system (Original GB games like RB were allegedly incompatible with the GBA, though that's not actually true, and anything GBC or earlier can't be played on a DS), it's highly unlikely that they'll return to Unova that quickly. If Gen VII turns out to be on whatever comes next, we might get new Sinnoh games for it, but the 3DS still seems to be far from being retired and Game Freak has been producing games more frequently so there's a very real possibility that Gen VII will be on the 3DS as well—and either way we won't be getting new Unova games until at least a generation after we get new Sinnoh games.
- Alternatively it'll be Coney Island.
- Wouldn't the typings need to be balanced a bit better? Ice/Electric is much better defensively than Ice/Fire.
- They'll probably be Ice/Dragon, but will probably have an ability that gives them pseudo-STAB on Fire/Electric attacks.
- Alternatively, the stats change depending on the form. White Kyurem could have a boosted defense.
- Jossed. Kyurem's forms keep its Ice/Dragon typing.
- Or, as a tie in to the above WMG that W-Kyurem and B-Kyurem were the orginal forms of Reshiram and Zekrom, the two colored versions of Kyurem have unique abilities that give them the properties of Fire/Electric types respectively. Thus, technically making the first triple-typed Pokemon.
- Confirmed for Abilities.
- Also confirmed regarding Fusion Bolt and Fusion Flare.
- Throh
- Gothita evo line
- Tornadus
- The Elekid line
White 2:
- Sawk
- Solosis evo line
- Thunderus
- The Magby line
Neither:
- Vullaby and Rufflet evo line
- or maybe switch from the originals
- So how to go... Jossed; Confirmed; Jossed - they don't appear at all (presumably the old protagonists caught them); confirmed, yet jossed - Elekid and Magby are exclusive, but the versions are wrong; jossed and the subpoint also jossed - birds are exclusive to the same versions as before (Vullaby line to Black 2, Rufflet line to White 2)
- So, it would be a Triple Battle in White 2 and a Rotation Battle in Black 2?
- Confirmed and Jossed at the same time. Confirmed you can fight them. Confirmed they use the apes, but jossed in the battle types described above. You instead have a Multi battle, teaming with one of them, and fighting the other two.
- Jossed. The starters are still Snivy, Tepig and Oshawott.
- Jossed, you only fight Drayden.
- And it's at the seventh gym.
- Jossed.
- Yet also confirmed. Drayden has been moved to the Seventh gym, and Marlon is now the Eighth gym leader.
- What about the party you have at the time the release was done?
- Jossed. B&W2 will use new Protagonists, just like XD did.
- Alternate guess, Kyurem ate the last game's protagonist and their legendary dragon.
- Alternate alternate guess, Amanita's PC has been locked from the public by Team Plasma, and you have to catch new Pokémon using one of the other storage systems (Bill's, Lanette's or Bebe's).
- Or an old one (like the bird trio in Platinum). Mewtwo seems like a good guess, considering its recent marketing push and the fact that it got a signature move this gen without being obtainable normally (yet). In this case, since the Birds in Platinum got the legendary theme as BGM, Mewtwo would probably use a legendary battle theme as well (either Kyurem's old theme from Black 1 and White 1, which would be a bit of a Shout-Out to Mewtwo and Kyurem's "rivalry" in the TCG, or the standard legendary theme).
- Or maybe he'll get the Kanto legendary theme.
- Which doesn't exist. (It's the same as the regular wild battle theme, sped up slightly in FRLG; this is probably why Articuno/Zapdos/Moltres used the Sinnoh legendary theme.)
- By this logic, when the Legendary Beasts show up in Pokémon FireRed and LeafGreen, they should have had their battle music...
- If it is an old one, it will probably still be in a section where new ultra rares (or event ultra rares like Zorua and Phione) can be caught.
- Mewtwo should have a remix of it's theme from Pokemon Stadium. And if they decide to introduce a trio, let it be the beasts.
- Or maybe he'll get the Kanto legendary theme.
- Alternately, if the Dragon Orbs are part of the plot, we might get Dialga in Black 2 and Palkia in White 2. Trading both over to the same game lets you go to the Distortion World and capture Giratina. Cynthia will probably have some connection to the event as part of an expanded role. Since they have well-established battle themes already, they'll just use remixes of those.
- If it is a new one, Genesect could appear.
- Keldeo is a strong candidate, since Virizion and Terrakion were found in places that were blocked off (by humans) until Cobalion was caught. Since Challenger's Cave was blocked off until the post-game, it's a similarity worth considering. It's also got a lot of water in it, compared to Terrakion in a mountain (rock/fighting type) and Virizion in a forest (grass/fighting type) which would make sense since Keldeo is a water/fighting type.
- Jossed, the cave entrance is no more.
- Much more likely is that we'll be able to go to Hoenn after the main games (or even during, for some plot related reason) like we did in the gen II games, but there is that "something special" thing you mentioned, making it unlikely he'll have it EXACTLY the same..
- What's with all the Hoenn theories going around? That would have been advertised already.
- Metaphorically True time: They are new.... to Unova. The new additions to the Dex are from previous generations.
- And even then, most of them were catchable in B/W postgame.
- Regigigas- It happened in gen 4
- Landorus- If the right side of Unova is completely revamped
- Jossed, as mentioned above the cave entrance is no more.
- Confirmed, but in this case not a good thing. The entire northern and eastern sections of Unova have turned into a glacier that stops at Opelcuid City. Probably Kyurem's fault.
- But who knows what's beneath the ice once it's gone. It's probably what the main storyline is about, defeating Kyurem and taking the ice away.
- The ice is just there to cover up what's actually there.
- Nope, it's really there according to the animated trailer.
- Nope, it's only Opelucid City that gets frozen.
- But who knows what's beneath the ice once it's gone. It's probably what the main storyline is about, defeating Kyurem and taking the ice away.
- Jossed, as you can get both formes in both games... as long as you can get the other Tao dragon to your version, you can.
- Mew. It could be like the Zoroark event. In order to get it, you need three event-exclusive versions of the original starter Pokemon (and like Zoroark, they could be shiny). Show these to Miyomoto (the in-game one, of course), and he will give you a special "finder" which will allow you to find Mew hiding in one of the trucks at Castelia City.
- Would be a nice nod to how everyone thought it was Genesect's battle theme.
- My guess is they will either be a different set of Unova Pokemon or Pokemon from past regions, or three new Pokemon entirely.
- Or mix and match starters, like you can choose between Snivy, Tododile and Charmander
- Jossed by Pokemon Smash's gameplay footage. The Unova starters are the same.
- Or mix and match starters, like you can choose between Snivy, Tododile and Charmander
- This is a Black 2 and White 2 WMG page, not a Gen VI WMG page.
- Wouldn't it make more sense to save them for the Hoenn remakes?
- Confirmed. Regirock normally in-wild, and then depending on game you get stuff to unlock Regice or Registeel. However, you can trade with pal to get the feature that's not in your game, so all three golems are in both games.
- Confirmed!
- Semi-Jossed; you can get DW abilities in-game, but in other way. The best thing that the places with them replenish their contents. Well, it's only 5% per 256 steps, but better than nothing.
Oh yes, I went there. Anyone who figures out this reference gets a cookie. EDIT: And guess who's just been seen in the CoroCoro scans? Drifblim. My WMG is now one step closer to happening. Oh the humanity!
- The Hindenburg? That would be pretty funny in a really dark way.
- One free cookie for you, good sir. Have you figured out the deeper meaning behind this concept?
- Jossed, but minorly confirmed; you won't be able to get Drifblim with Flare Boost and Explosion in Mistralton City, but you can get a Drifloon with Flare Boost in one of the Hidden Hollows.
- Jossed, there's no Mewtwo encounter in the game.
- Jossed. You still have to use the Surf HM.
- Sub-guess: depending on version, it'll be either Cheren or Bianca.
- Sub-sub-guess: Changing important plot details based on version won't happen. It will either be one or the other.
- The WMG explicitely states 'a new character will get the other dragon'. Though Cheren would represent Reshiram while Bianca would respresent Zekrom. Ie. Cheren has to find out a good reason to be Champion and be honest about it while Bianca is the more idealistic about it cause she just wants to journey with her Pokemon.
- Sub-sub-guess: Changing important plot details based on version won't happen. It will either be one or the other.
- Jossed, N has one dragon, Ghestis has the combined form of the other and Kyureum.
- Absolutely!
- Pokémon Adventures has them using masks with the same shading as the elemental monkeys, as well as the masks bottom outline matching the same monkey and them using the same typing as the Striaton trio.
- Watch it turn out to be a Red Herring or that they're trying to frame the Striaton trio.
- Pokémon Adventures has them using masks with the same shading as the elemental monkeys, as well as the masks bottom outline matching the same monkey and them using the same typing as the Striaton trio.
- If their not then they'll use Pokemon of the remaining three types. If they are then we'll have three new gym leaders.
- And now we know Striaton City has been frozen over, and the trio seems to have been replaced as gym leaders by Shizui or Homika. Things have been set up just right so if they were revealed to be the Shadow Triad, no complications would arise in the post-game with stuff such as gym leader rematches...
- Specifically, Shizui replaces Corn (Cress) with the Water-Type. Replacements for his brothers have not yet been divulged.
- Cheren has also been revealed to be taking their place as the first gym leader.
- The trailer may have stomped this theory but it's still partially in the air until the release of the game
- The Triad as they appear in that trailer don't have designs that match up with their sprites from BW, however.
- The trio and the Shadow Triad meet in-game. Jossed with gusto.
- ... In a flashback as told by Cilan. So either it's Jossed or Cilan is an Unreliable Narrator.
- Agreed, it could easily be a coverup story that Cilan made up on the spot.
- ... In a flashback as told by Cilan. So either it's Jossed or Cilan is an Unreliable Narrator.
- Well, since the flashback can only be activated via Memory Link, which requires the previous game(s), it proves that the flashback is legitimate. Plus, if they had never battled the Shadow Triad and lost, the Striation Trio wouldn't have the motivation to become stronger as individuals instead of a set.
- The problem is if Cilan went through the Break the Cutie phase, it's easy to assume that he's lying either accidentally due to the trauma and not remembering the details clearly or just lying out of his ass. If Chili or Cress were the ones that tell you, it wouldn't be an issue, but the anime implies that Cilan lies a lot and is unstable, so his credibility memory scene not is very low.
- Gameverse =/= Animeverse. Using something from the anime try to prove something in the games is just grasping at straws, really.
- Cilan is stil untrustworthy given that people who go through trauma will not remember the scene in their head clearly and since Cilan was the most tramatized by the event, his memory is not reliable as say Chili or Cress with or without using the anime as evidence. That's logic really.
- Only problem here is that Chili and Cress will also activate the Memory Link if you talk to them instead.
- Also, why would Cilan be traumatized by something he made up?
- The problem is if Cilan went through the Break the Cutie phase, it's easy to assume that he's lying either accidentally due to the trauma and not remembering the details clearly or just lying out of his ass. If Chili or Cress were the ones that tell you, it wouldn't be an issue, but the anime implies that Cilan lies a lot and is unstable, so his credibility memory scene not is very low.
- Ore[n](Steel Type), Pestilan(t)(Poison Type), and Q(got nothing but rock type)
- Quart[z]?
- Since they're ninjas, their main Pokemon will be the fastest of the type(excluding legendaries). Meaning Ore would have a Lucario/Metagross/Klinklang, Pestilant would have a Crobat/Scolipede(the former may or may not be part of the new dex) and Quratz would have an Aerodactyl(probably not going to be included)/Archeops
- Or it'll be that the Shadow Triad are both O/P/Q and the Stration Trio! They use those types in their ninja identity, aka "their true selves."
- ...True Selves, you say?
- O,P, and Q mean the children after N, since Ghestis went through half the alphabet. Anthea and Cor- whatever are A and C/ O, P and Q are the children after N.
- Certainly seems likely... One can achieve much in two years...
- Given her characterization and how she had Helicopter Parents, combined with what happened to Unova, could lead to either Harsher in Hindsight or Unfortunate Implications. EDIT (from same poster): Unless it was the direct result of someone else's actions...
- Jossed. She's Professor Juniper's assistant, who hands out the starters.
- Semi-Jossed, he's the Normal-Type Gym leader.
- Blue will appear, and his theme will have a purpose. Red and/or Leaf may also appear with him as a Double/Triple/Rotation Battle option.
- Much like how Red's team was based off Ash during the Orange Islands, Dawn/Lucas' team could be based on the Pokemon Ash caught. This would include the three starters, Gliscor, Staraptor and Garchomp
- If possible, you can transfer data so that Dawn/Lucas' team is the same as yours. Except more balanced, of course.
- The not chosen does show up in the battle subway with a versatile team. Their Pokemon could have been stolen by Team Plasma or eaten by Kyurem, traumatizing them into forgetting the basics and forcing them to start over. They could be brought into Juniper's and coached by the last game's hero at first but later need to save them from vengeful plasmas or Kyurem. The old rivals would be helpful while the new rival would be a delinquent who tried to take advantage of the subway kid in their weakened state or one of the plasma members responsible for their grief, returning to the well for "another drink".
- Your choice of starter will decide, not chosen's, Cheren's, Bianca's and your rival's, with not chosen's type matching yours and the rest falling into place. The rival will come after you while Kyurem or the rest of plasma is distracting not chosen, trying to steal the starters not chosen was offering you and you have to use your choice to fight them off.
- Jossed. There are scans of completely new protagonist.
- Pretty sure she was retconned into Lyra with the release of HGSS. However, a cameo from Lyra wouldn't be all that bad...
- Though, several people consider Lyra and Kris completely different.
- They are different characters playing the same role if chosen as the player character.
- Though, several people consider Lyra and Kris completely different.
- Well "Akuroma" seems to be a blend of words that mean "evil", "demon", "devil", etc. Considering Ghetsis also had a Meaningful Name referencing the term "The Devil in the music"...
- Also achroma(tic) as in colorless.
- Nice connection. Seems like valid reasoning. O.o
- His hair color sans the blue seems to be quite close to that of Ghetsis too. And weird appendage(s) sticking from the hair as well. Most likely coincidence, but who knows.
- Entirely Coincidence.
- Thank God I'm not alone.
- Confirmed.
- What do you mean by researcher? Like Prof. Juniper researcher? No, Colress is not really a researcher. He just wants to bring out Pokemon's full potential.
- How about you fight Hilda in White 2 and Hilbert in Black 2?
- Why not let us choose the previous protagonist's gender, perhaps through an in-game quiz that asks us the gender of the hero?
- Also, you'll be able to synch the six Pokemon in your Black/White Cartridge's active party to BW 2. Imagine having a fight against six level 100s.
- How about this: the trainer you fight is your opposite gender. Their Pokemon include:
- Serperior. Why that starter? Because Snivy is the most popular!
- Simipour, referencing the fact you likely got one of the elemental monkeys to fight the Stration Trio
- Zen Mode Darmanitan.
- Ok, it's probably unlikely, put Zekrom/Reshiram(depends on which version)
- Golurk, furthering its connection with Zekrom/Reshiram
- I doubt Darmanitan-Z will be on that team, considering it's post-game, and too easy for the player to abuse.
- Why not Unfezant and Seismitoad as an anime tie-in?
This is expanding on the higher up WMG that he's a villain. In one of the CoroCoro screenshots, he's talking about an item which activates a Pokemon he created. Given that he researches Pokemon strength and his outfit has all of the Plasma logo's colors, it's not too hard to figure out the obvious suspects. If he is responsible for the Kyurem forms, then that would explain why they look so... unnatural.
- He might also be responsible for the Kami trio's form changes as well.
- Confirm so much that he's appearing. He may have taken a level, but we can't tell yet.
- Considering Unova and Orre are both based off the United States, this may be possible. Note that Eevee (considered by the fandom to be Orre's unofficial starter) is apparently catchable.
It's stated that Akuroma is researching Pokemon strength specifically, which is something of interest to most competitive Pokemon players. I wouldn't be surprised if, when you face him, Akuroma wielded exclusively OU Tier Pokemon with perfect IV's and Min-Maxed EV's.
- The second part is busted, the trailer shoes him with a Magneton, which is really only useful in VERY specific builds. He could evolve it and screw any steel type you use over with HP fire.
- Not necessarily. Both Magneton and Magnezone are completely viable. Magneton still has it's higher speed, and on top of that, the Eviolite item to boost its defenses.
- Indeed, Jossed. His actual dialog shows he's very much interested in the way trainers believe in and care for their pokemon as a means of bringing out strength, rather than the eugenics/effort value training Meta-gaming involves. He's basically a mad scientist looking to research emotional bonds and motivations.
Come on, she plays the guitar, she uses the POISON type, that kind of reference would be too good to pass up.
- Nope.
- Sadly.
Makes sense. It's been two years, no reason why he wouldn't be able to become strong enough to beat Alder in that time.
- Assuming the player character didn't beat Alder first, as the B/W rematch Elite Four may or may not be canon to B2/W2. Then again, Cheren has the type advantage over the PC's starter.
- Semi-Jossed. Cheren has taken over for Leonora as the Gym Leader of Nacrene City, but there's no saying that maybe he beat Alder but decided to be a Leader instead.
- Actually, Cheren is the Leader in the new starting city south of Driftveil City, not Nacrene.
- Yeah, but when I said that, all we knew was that he was giving out the Basic Badge, which Leonora gave out.
- Actually, Cheren is the Leader in the new starting city south of Driftveil City, not Nacrene.
- Jossed, she's Prof. Juniper's assistant.
- ...Wow, you're good. Confirmed, Volkner has shown up as part of the World Tournament.
- Alternatively? N and Hilbert/Hilda (depending on the gender of the player) are fought as a double battle. Fight level 80+ Reshiram and Zekrom at the same time. Remember, at the ending of the first pair of games these two got on just fine; if they really want to see what the new kid on the block can do...
- Appears to be jossed. It looks like it's Red again.
- Nope. Red is an Optional Boss, appearing in the Pokemon World Tournament. Achroma is the True Final Boss, wrapping up the Team Plasma storyline.
- And then confirmed as N is the True Final Boss overall, due to having the highest leveled Pokémon in the game if certain conditions are met.
- Close. Iris is the True Final Boss! Her Haxorus is Lv. 83 in Challenge Mode. Compare it to N's Politoed/Ninetales/Abomasnow/Hippowdon at Lv. 82 in Challenge Mode.
- The problem is, Red is the canon protagonist of his games no matter who you pick in C/HG/SS.
- This theory would also mean GF is screwing over canon. Canon protagonists do exist.
- Jossed.
- Maybe they're going out and Cheren gave her those as a present? He's probably wearing contacts, now that I think about it.
- Except according to the CoroCoro scans, he's the first Leader. I don't think Nintendo is THAT sadistic.
- Yes, but Whitney was the third Gym Leader for the Johto League, and she was considered That One Boss thanks to Miltank. Who's to say Nintendo wouldn't pull that as the first leader, thus giving you less time to level-grind?
- I doubt it, considering his only known Pokémon so far is a Patrat...
- ...And the other is a Lillipup.
- Actually, this guess turned out pretty accurate. His Pokémon's levels are both in double-digits even in Easy Mode, at a time when yours probably won't be, and they have a status move that raises their attack power. Its basically Character Select Forcing you towards catching a Riolu and training it until it learns a Fighting-type move.
- Seemingly confirmed, but the Hoenn gym leaders at least will require new sprites.
- Totally confirmed: Steven has a new sprite, whereas Cynthia, Blue and Lance are shown with their old ones.◊
- Actually, somewhat jossed now. Cynthia has a new animation. See about 1:30 in.
- Generally confirmed otherwise, considering Generation IV Gym Leaders kept their sprites whereas Generation III Gym Leaders got updated (and more detailed) ones.◊
- Jossed again. As every single trainers ranged from Champions to Youngsters have a new animation.
- Taking it even further, as Gym Leaders of at least Sinnoh and Kanto (and of course Hoenn) got refreshed sprites for overworld. Plus Giovanni, Lance and Red.
- Jossed like there was no tomorrow. Some of the old Gym Leaders have new animation, some have the old animation, but it's smoother (like Blue's), therefore Game Freak is not lazy.
- Totally confirmed: Steven has a new sprite, whereas Cynthia, Blue and Lance are shown with their old ones.◊
- Well that means that Red's sim will be the easiest to program.
- Red, as he did in Pokémon Gold and Silver, to indicate that this time a post-Johto generation will not cut its ties with previous games as it happened in Pokémon Ruby and Sapphire. Alternatively, Red's in-game(-remake) Distaff Counterpart Leaf.
- Ethan, Lyra or, better yet, Kris, will play the same role as further proof of the aforementioned not-cutting-ties aspect.
- As the same "realised-our-mistake" kind of Fandom Nod, Brandon and May from Pokémon Ruby and Sapphire will appear, but as joke bosses.
- Joke bosses? Only if they're the Hoenn rival and not in the protagonist role.
- Any rival will appear as the champion, with the exception of Blue because it already happened. Still, Silver, Wally and Pearl are fair game enough.
- Well... it turns out that EVERYONE'S COMING BACK! Except the protagonists that aren't Red.
- " Nintendo mistyped the gender of this player character on the official homepage for Black & White 2. They gave the reading (furigana) for the female protagonist as OTOKO-NO-KO (instead of ONNA-NO-KO). So she is officially (by mistake) a cross dressing boy! Hentai trap fan artists rejoice!"
If it wasn't an error, this "female" player character will be the first trap to appear in the games... at least in Japan, since America wouldn't allow that.
- I'd rather her be Transgender..
- There are some things that shouldn't be in a Pokemon game, let's just leave it at that.
- They've already had a transsexual character in an adaptation, and they've gotten away with more, so..
- Or she's naturally blond but decided to die her hair black, and then completely for these games.
- There's a Memory Link event that explains this.
- Jossed, Homika is a girl.
- Appears to be jossed.
- Confirmed.
- It seems you may be right with the recent revelation that he gives up being evil and tries to redeem himself after you beat the game. And he seems to be considered sexy, so even if he was a complete monster that surpased Ghetsis, he would receive this.
- Jossed.
- Cilan, Chilli and Cress
- Chilli accidentally set the gym-restaurant hybrid on fire
- They ARE the shadow triad
- Jossed, although basic sense and not relying totally on fanon really would have shown you this wasn't right from the beginning. They shut down the gym to train themselves and their teams, and are definitely not he Shadow Triad as shown by Memory Link.
- Not necessarily jossed, no. The scene in Memory Link was, after all, a flashback narrated by Cilan, who could easily just be covering up the fact that they are in fact the Shadow Triad.
- Lenora
- She is now a full-time archeologist
- Brycen on how he ended up in Pokewood
- He got busted.
- It seems he just wanted to return to the movie business.
- He got busted.
- Iris
Or, alternatively:
- Jossed, Hilbert/Hilda left Unova to search for N.
- Jossed. Hilbert/Hilda are stated to have left Unova in search of N. In addition, they have neither teams nor overworld sprites within the in-game coding, making it essentially impossible to battle them.
- By that logic, Isshu Shipping is canon too. N had just as much subtext with the male player character as he did the female.
- I don't see how it'll be canon. It was never said they had a romantic interest in each other.
- It could happen; N did say that he wants to tell the previous player character "how he feels", a phrase that typically has romantic undertones. As an Isshushipper, I approve this guess.
- But...if Iris' are indiscernible, then Alder is still the only Champion who wears them.
- Hers is indiscernible because her champion clothing is only in sprite form. We need to wait for the Sugiromi Art to show us the details before deciding whether it's fully Jossed.
- Now with the Official Artwork available, this WMG is now possible.◊
- Ghetsis could've co-erced his brother/sister into giving up their baby N, and made sure that N would be lost from the orphanage. Or worse, Ghetsis killed his own brother/sister so he could take N.
This could also fit in with Ghetsis' overall bitterness toward N's talent, as detailed in his Villainous Breakdown at the Giant Chasm.
- Definitley seconded. However, finding N again might not have been by chance at all. Apparantly, the boy has lived in unknown woods for serveral years without any human detecting him. In the Pokémon world usually no mountains are too high and no caves or forests too deep to have at least a handful of specialized trainers (Hikers, Rangers, etc.) running around. If N has been so sheltered from humans, then Ghetsis must have known where to look for the boy when he realized he could actually be useful for him, after forming a (probably still rough) plan to take over the region. Another thing to look at is how the story around N's past is delivered to the player: the two goddesses tell it, and as they are very officially and obviously adopted by Ghetsis, they cannot have eye-witness knowledge of the whole story. The one who told it to them (and also maybe N) is presumably Ghetsis himself and - ignoring the possibility that he could have just as well had lied (which in turn would not have made much sense since the rest of the story is confirmed by N later on) - he in turn only can have knowledge of all this if he's been present, and being the child's actual father is the most logical conclusion to that. After all, he nowhere in the game explicitely said he did not father N.
- Confirmed for the biy, jossed for the girl. Her English will be Rosa instead.
- My question in response: Would that trauma have prevented them from allying with Rood and N upon hearing about his rebellion/reformation? I mean, it sounds like a great opportunity for such NobleDemons to take a Heel–Face Turn along with a fellow ND. On the other hand, if so, we may have further reason for them not to have outed themselves, that is there would be no gain and the reopening of legal issues. After all, unlike other places, Unova actually is America.
- Are they really good guys willing to reform? There isn't really a reason for them to ally themselves with Rood or N. If this WMG says anything, they don't seem eager to want to get any revenge on Ghetsis make a FaceHeelTurn; they only want to continue working in their restaurant quietly where no one would ever suspect their true identities. That makes more sense to me.
- Maye they want to put everything behind them and are trying to dissociate themselves from Plasma. Them disbanding as a trio could be another sign; they were a Triad after all.
- From the new Black 2 and White 2 gameplay, it seems that the shadow triad have gotten themselves quite a change in personality; From the original emotionless people to punk ninjas. This makes this WMG even more possible, since it indicates a 180-degree character change from the prequel.
It's unclear how, but maybe the protagonist of the new games are the old protagonists in new (younger) bodies. The Memory Link shows flashbacks to the events of their previous life, vaguely hinting towards how they disappeared and the impacts of doing so. In this way, Black 2 and White 2 become a reconnection quest of sorts, with the protagonist reclaiming relics and reliving the memories of the past.
- Already mentioned in the earlier WMG.
- Fairly plausible, since we do see several Zorua/Zoroark throughout B/W and B2/W2 that take on human forms. Plus, N's hair does somewhat resemble Zoroark's.
- Also, one of the Memory Link flashbacks is "narrated" by a Zoroark, and the scene happens to involve N. However, there is no Zoroark present in the actual flashback itself, nor do you ever see N in that building. Coincidence? It sounds a lot like the castle Zoroark to me... It's the one you can get in Old Plasma's Driftveil City building, by the way.
- And in challenge mode, the Hydreigon has the exact same moveset..
- It's a Pokemon game. They'll probably have to edit some dialogue but it's coming over here. It even has an official US website.
- That was before attempted murder was revealed. Wouldn't they be fearing the Moral Guardians ? Of course, worse things have happened in Pokemon, for example, Marowak being killed. However, I think values were a little less strong 13+ years ago.
- They got away with worse in Pokémon Mystery Dungeon. As long as they Never Say "Die", they'll get away with an E rating.
- Jossed. October 7, 2012.
- And it'll be rated E for Everyone.
- Instead of stabbing the character with icicles, Ghetsis threatens to freeze the player.
- Busted! He never threatened to stab the character in the first place; that was a fan translation error of some sort. The animation suggests stabbing, however.
- It's a Pokemon game. They'll probably have to edit some dialogue but it's coming over here. It even has an official US website.
- Jossed. This wouldn't even be an option if N died in-story.
- Links to the Concept Art, or it did not happen!
Same Troper: Personally, I favor this by reason of the return to pre-teen protagonists; the return to the "classic" formula mimics what happened between Pokemon Colosseum and Pokemon XD: they changed too many things in B1W1note and Snapped Back in B2W2. But still, accusations of this sort must be backed by evidence! - Furthermore, the Hand Wave feeling of the memory link (YMMV) could also stem from them simply needing to find an excuse to explain why they didn't show up at the end of BW (in terms other than "it would have looked really weird for there to be 11 gym leaders facing up to only 6 sages"). The trio probably got lost in development, and so this is a way to integrate them back into the plot.
- As opposed to 11 Leaders versus 6 Sages plus 3 Elite Mooks?