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Feb 20th 2019 at 8:55:59 PM •••

About the entry about D.W. under Ron The Death Eater; I\'d like to know which fanfics out there make D.W. an Enfante Terrible. I know Proper Discipline is one, but the entry states there are more than a few of them.

Edited by SereneSpecter13
Jul 7th 2017 at 8:21:15 PM •••

Anyone else feel that the entries here (that have seen a sudden increase) taking the side of the Tibbles in "Attack of the Turbo Tibbles" don't work and should be removed?

I think said entries are missing the point of the episode in favor of vilifying D.W. in one of her (relatively rare) more sympathetic roles. The Tibbles are going out of control with their like of the TV show and wind up accidentally hurting D.W. (to the point of giving her stitches) while engrossed in one of their fantasies, and they are horrified when they do so. And honestly, I don't see many other people taking a "serves-you-right" mentality to what happens to her here beyond the person or people who added these entries.

Should these entries be zapped?

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Apr 28th 2018 at 12:31:12 AM •••

I agree. I don't know who added this but I've never heard anyone side with the Tibbles on this episode. Their act is completely unprovoked and D.W. isn't in the wrong in the episode.

On a related note, holy flying crap, the amount of complaining about Arthur's parents is downright insane. There's actually way more cases when they discipline D.W. than when they don't. Yes, the cases where they don't are ridiculous, but come on, acting like they're worse than Lois from Malcolm in the Middle? That's pretty extreme. I feel like every other trope, especially on the YMMV tab, has this unwritten rule where they must complain about Mr. and Mrs. Read in some way or another. It's kind of really annoying, to be honest. Can we rewrite this a bit so the page is a little less "Complaining about Parents You Don't Like"?

Feb 2nd 2019 at 11:34:17 PM •••

Just because D.W. wasn\'t in the wrong in THAT episode, it doesn\'t suddenly make her numerous less sympathetic roles non-canon, or excuse them for that matter. The person who added those entries probably thought it was deserved karma for her usual behavior in most episodes.

Feb 3rd 2019 at 6:45:41 AM •••

Except what the Tibbles did to her had nothing to do with her prior non-sympathetic roles (virtually none of which the Tibbles were involved in or knew about).

Edited by TVLubber
Feb 4th 2019 at 2:43:51 AM •••

That doesn\'t matter. If a character has a tendency to act like a Jerkass most of the time, something bad happening to them can be seen as deserved by some people even if said bad thing happened to them for reasons unrelated to their Jerkassery. Isn\'t that what the trope Kick The Son Of A Bitch is all about?

Feb 4th 2019 at 6:52:29 AM •••

Except D.W. didn\'t deserve what the Tibbles (who are much worse than her) did to her.

And I don\'t recall her causing so much trouble BEFORE that episode (except for her threatening Kate).

Edited by TVLubber
Feb 7th 2019 at 10:40:37 PM •••

That is a matter of personal opinion. I personally see D.W. as irredeemably bad and a completely heartless and selfish monster, so anything bad that happens to her is deserved in my eyes. Also, just because the Tibbles are worse than her doesn\'t mean she didn\'t deserve it. Sometimes bad people in the real world are victims of even worse people than themselves too, and while others might think the victimized person had it coming, they would still want the other person to be punished if they\'ve victimized the innocent as well. And the example you gave of her causing trouble (threatening Kate with physical violence) is actually a pretty big deal since she is only a baby whereas D.W. is four. And then there\'s the fact that she also attempted to SELL Kate as if she were property just because she was jealous of her, which I would say crosses the line into straight-up heinous. And if the troper who added those entries also felt that way, then don\'t they have the right to add it here? Aren\'t YMMV sections meant to be for sharing opinions? And even if it\'s meant to be about the common opinion and not one person\'s individual one, if you look up a list of hated cartoon characters online, chances are that D.W. will be pretty high up on the list, and some people in the comments will outright wish she\'d get into some kind of fatal accident.

Edited by SereneSpecter13
Feb 8th 2019 at 4:56:36 AM •••

Well, I happen to agree with Mr Eight Three One and kablammin45 on this one.

Feb 8th 2019 at 9:27:33 PM •••

Yeah, but like I said, doesn\'t the person who made the entries vilifying D.W. have the right to add them if that\'s their personal opinion?

Feb 9th 2019 at 4:37:19 AM •••

That wouldn\'t be fair, since what the Tibbles (who are The Scrappies) did to D.W. (who is a Base Breaking Character) qualifies more as a Tear Jerker to us.

Mar 27th 2019 at 2:47:34 AM •••

I just noticed that there is still one such entry on the Western Animation subpage of Kick The Son Of A Bitch. While I still personally believe that it was indeed deserved, do you guys think that one should be zapped as well?

Jan 15th 2017 at 4:00:28 PM •••

Putting tropes for The Arthur movie on a different page

Nov 29th 2014 at 2:48:19 PM •••

I moved out some tropes that didn't seem to fit from the PBS show, either the show itself or fandom reactions. Dumping it here, because hey, I could be wrong.

  • Designated Villain:
    • In Arthur and his friends' imaginations, Mr. Ratburn is often made into one, when he's just trying to be a teacher (albeit a very strict one) who makes sure his students are learning well enough.
    • Arthur, at least in D.W.'s imagination and fantasies. His friends would also often be categorized. Even her own parents and her best friend Emily have been shown as villains in D.W.'s imagination occasionally.
    • Binky occasionally gets this in imagination spots as well, though it was most frequent in the first few seasons. Somewhat justified in that Binky was more of a bully in the early years, but it still happened in episodes in which he hadn't done anything.

Designated Villain refers to a character we're informed is the villain, who doesn't do anything particularly villainous. These are just how the characters view each other.

This was the reaction in-universe, it isn't YMMV.

  • The episode "That's a Baby Show!" features Arthur accidentally tuning into a Teletubbies expy called "Love Ducks" and becoming a closeted fan of the show, going to great lengths to avoid anyone finding out he enjoys it. Fast forward to early 2011, and young men across the nation are beginning to relate quite a bit. This might not have been accidental: Arthur itself has a prominent Periphery Demographic, which was already rather large, and the episode was meant as a message to them.

Cartoon fans have been getting hooked on kids' shows for generations. One example doesn't make this more or less relevant (or Hilarious) than it already was.

  • Ho Yay:
    • A number of older fans see Arthur and Buster as being more than just Hetero Sexual Life Partners; the recent episode, "The Substitute Arthur," doesn't help that Buster actually goes into a depressive funk with Arthur gone for a weekend. Of course, we also have:
    • Les Yay: All throughout the series, there's a few inklings (some subtle, some more obvious) of this with Francine and Muffy.
    • Prunella and Marina seem to be drifting into this territory as well as far as a number of fans are concerned.

There's already a subpage for this.

  • Love It or Hate It: The Imagine Spots! Some find them to be absolutely hilarious, especially considering how wild the imaginations of some of the kids can get, while others find them to be an annoying and unnecessary Once per Episode thing that disrupts the rest of the story.

Love It or Hate It refers to the work as a whole. It says on the Love It or Hate It page that "When this happens within a fandom, it's known as Broken Base".

  • Memetic Bystander: Well, memetic on the outofcontextarthur blog. There is a recurring crocodile/alligator in the background of many episodes that wears a target shirt and headphones. They have dubbed him Samson.

The trope page doesn't really define "memetic" other than "incredibly popular". I love outofcontextarthur, but I'm pretty sure they're just one person.

Zero Context Example.

  • The Scrappy:
    • D.W. for often getting whatever she wants, acting like she's smarter than Arthur, tattling on Arthur for things that weren't his fault, complains about Arthur being mean to her when she's the one making condescending comments at his expense and never giving him a moment of peace. There's a reason why the wallbangers page have a section where she alone caused the stupidity.
    • Muffy for being a spoiled brat and gets punished far less often than D.W.
    • Binky when he's being a bully and especially when he whines and acts like his viewpoint is the only one that matters.
    • Francine when she's a jerk.
    • Brain when he's an insufferable genius.
    • The Tibble Twins are basically gender bender versions of D.W. but with less redeeming qualities and never get punished and their personalities often involve arguing with each other over whatever subject they're discussing and rough housing with each other.
    • Kate and Pal were seen as just fine for most of the series but recently they're gained this reputation thanks to the segments when they talk.
    • Ladonna is seen as an annoying, unneeded character. It doesn't help she was introduced right when the series got a cheaper art style that made fans mad enough.
      • On top of that, although she's only the latest in a long line of new characters introduced to the show over the past few seasons, she's the only one whose literally be thrusted into the limelight and has gotten a number of episodes centered on her since her introduction, in addition to being part of the regular cast, whereas most other newer characters have pretty much been kept as supporting/secondary characters and even background extras.

Trimmed because most of these characters are [[Base Breaker]]s at worst.

  • They Changed It, Now It Sucks!:
    • The Tough Customers breaking up and no longer being bullies. While it's unacceptable for children to bully each other in real life, realistic fiction is supposed to have different conventions. Often, if there is no antagonist, there is no story (although this show does seem to buck that convention a lot). The particularly Anvilicious "So Funny" episode drives this point home. The problem is not that Arthur was being mean or that Sue Ellen told the teacher about it; the problem is that the kids weren't allowed to work things out on their own and come to the conclusion that bullying is wrong.

Trimmed because it seems to drift from its point.

  • Toy Ship: As always, mileage varies, but older fans tend to do this to some characters. Arthur and Francine have been shipped frequently, even during Imagine Spot segments on their own show. Fern and George may be a Toy Ship as well, and recent seasons have this tropette seeing a cute one between D.W. and Bud Compson.

Removing This Troper stuff.

  • Unfortunate Implications:
    • In Universe, Pema, the Tibetan World Girl and Little Tibet as a whole were discontinued since Tibet's mostly Buddhist, it didn't generate enough accessories.

I'm having trouble figuring out how this fits? It doesn't describe any controversy or complaints over the doll.

I've never seen the fandom react to these characters this way? Aside from occasional circumstances, they're not very woobie-ish. Also, Zero Context Example.

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