Fan favorite problems? Print Comic

Someone keeps changing an actual fact to a common fanfic set up and now just claims "word of God" but it's not even close. I even made a review explaining why they were wrong and people flagged it saying I was just ranting. Isn't that what reviews are for?

Edit for clarity: https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/ComicBook/Daken

The same person keeps changing facts and even claiming the current author made it canon, it isn't. They even added flair to make it sound good. I found zero proof of it. There's one very active author who likes the idea he's ace and a sociopath, etc, but it isn't canon fact.

Batman controversy 2.0 Print Comic

Our favorite Dark Knight never seems to stay away from controversy for too long, and this time, it's two-fold.

First, Batman's folder in the DCAMU: Justice League character page has Adaptational Wimp, which says: "Downplayed. This incarnation of Batman is still a good fighter and he has his moments like getting the upper hand over Green Lanterns in the Justice League movies. But in his own films, aside from being able to defeat Deathstroke, himself an even worse Adaptational Wimp, in Son of Batman, he tends to get the short end of the stick in his titular films. In Batman Vs Robin he spent most of his fights taking a beating from various Talons, Robin, and the main Talon, while his comics counterpart was able to defeat Talon even after being famished and dehydrated for days. He also spends much of Bad Blood being captured and playing the role of Badass in Distress so he can be saved by the Bat-family. And in Hush, while he did much better in fights, he still wasn't able to defeat the eponymous villain on his own in the end and required the help of Catwoman to do so, whereas his comic books counterpart was able to beat The Riddler when he had been similarly physically enhanced by Venom during the Knightfall story. Justified with Damian. In Apokolips War, a brainwashed Batman reveals that the only reason Damian won is because he let him, and during their last fight he proves to his son that the latter is no match for him."

Adaptational Wimp has been frequently misused over these past few years, but the trope's definition is: "when their usefulness, agency, and contribution to the plot is significantly reduced. It is not this trope when the character "only" easily defeated twenty Mooks instead of a hundred; it's when the character struggled to take down even one. Realize too, that this may be intentional and in a long-running series may have the character take a level in badass to provide Character Development and align them better with the original version."

Then, the Dork Age entry in the YMMV page of Batman (Rebirth) was deleted and added yet again, because apparently, a consensus hasn't been reached about whether or not Tom King's run can be considered a Dork Age. Dork Age, much like Adaptational Wimp, has seen its fair share of misuses, but an entry in a long-running franchise can be a Dork Age if it qualities for any of the following criteria: 1. It has to be a critical and financial disappointment

2. Any changes it brought to the series must be undone by later installments

3. Whenever it's referenced by other entries, it has to be done in a negative manner.

So, what do you say?

50/60s-era sitcom lies? Print Comic

In the Newspaper Comics article on TV Tropes it says “One of the chief reasons comics haven't adapted to the more cynical comedy tastes of the 21st century (or non-English-speaking countries), being seemingly stuck with the tired jokes and premises associated with 50s/60s-era sitcoms lies” and it uses that as the reason why people turned to Webcomics more. I’m curious on what that means specifically.

DC Infinite Frontier Print Comic

DC Infinite Frontier already has a YMMV page available, but I must question the validity and necessity for it in the first place, for the same reason I complained about the YMMV page of DC Future State. For now, the only entry is:

• Author's Saving Throw: Though not the entire point, it seems many of the creative decisions being pushed forward are in an attempt to undo or pave over the legacy of New 52 and the Dan DiDio era of DC. Among them, Wally West is taking primary focus in the Flash book after years of being a Creator's Pest, pre-Flashpoint continuity and history seems to have been restored, the Justice Society is back, the universe is tonally much more brighter with more focus on the building towards the future, and the legacies that have built around tentpole characters are being embraced. Essentially, there's a DC Rebirth like quality to the hype, except this time, the people behind-the-scenes responsible for New 52 are gone, so there's less chance for back-sliding.

The event hasn't even premiered yet, so we don't even know how is this trope gonna apply or even if it will apply at all. What should we do?

Avengers 1000000 B.C. Print Comic

I just found Avengers 1,000,000 BC, a page which was created almost a month ago.

And I'm not sure why the page itself exists, as Avengers 1000000BC isn't a work, it's a group of characters that have appeared in various works (8 major appearances in 3 different works, and 6 minor appearances in 3 different works if the Marvel wiki is to be believed).

So I don't get why they have their own page, and not just have their tropes listed on either a character page, or just the relevant tropes listed in the pages of the work's they've appeared in.

Batman controversy Print Comic

Over these past few weeks, troper Nyame has been doing some... unorthodox edits on several pages from the Batman franchise, such as Batman's character page, the main YMMV page and the YMMV page for Batman (Rebirth). All these edits talk about Batman's character flaws (like his turbulent relationship with his family) and the declining quality of Tom King's run, and well, they come off as very opinionated.

I get that Batman is one of the most controversial characters in all of fiction and that YMMV is for opinions, but these are very detailed edits and, well, I'm starting to suspect that Nyame is using these pages to describe what he/she doesn't like about Batman. I don't want to start any conflict with Nyame, I just want to see if his edits are valid, but the only way I could do that if I read all the Batman comics from the New 52 to the present and that will take me a very long time. If anyone could help me with this topic, I would certainly appreciate it.

DC Future State Print Comic

DC Future State already has a YMMV page available, but I must question the validity and necessity for it in the first place. For now, the entries are:

• Author's Saving Throw:
  • Fans have, at the very least, responded rather positively to the amount of genuine diversity in the different creative teams after DC's ongoing titles were largely male dominated in the last several years. This includes the likes of Vita Ayala, Marguerite Bennett, Mariko Tamaki, Stephanie Phillips, Marguerite Sauvage, Nicola Scott, and Alitha Martinez among the writers and artists.
  • After years of creating some of the most gorgeous artwork of Dick Grayson, Nicola Scott was selected to do the artwork on the Nightwing miniseries.
• Ensemble Dark Horse: Yara Flor already has fans excited being a Latina member of the Wonder Woman family and an Amazon contemporary for Jon and Damian with them hoping she'll be a Canon Immigrant when the event is over.

The event hasn't even premiered yet, so we don't even know how are tropes are gonna apply or even if they will apply at all. What should we do?

Removing Duplicate Images? Print Comic

I searched the Image List for images that I uploaded, and discovered a couple of cases where I accidentally uploaded the same image more than once. Is there a way to cutlist the duplicate images?

Cancelled comic Print Comic

New Warriors 2020 seems like it's cancelled. (You know, the one with the superheroes Safespace, Snowflake and Screentime.)

I can't find it listed anywhere, except a webpage that doesn't seem like it's gonna offer it for sale the supposed release day.

Should we cut list it?

Misuse of RecycledScript? Print Comic

While looking at Ms. Marvel (2014), I came across this:

• Recycled Script: Kamala's random airplane trip to visit relatives in Pakistan feels an awful lot like Nico's random airplane trip to visit relatives in Japan in A-Force which G. Willow Wilson had also wrote for.

Is this really a valid example? Because the random plane trip in A-Force was just one scene, whereas the trip in Ms. Marvel was the plot of an entire issue. I am also, like, 98% sure that this was written by Kyrtuck, who has a history of misusing tropes and also trying to sneak their opinions into examples.

Was There a Mass Cleanup? Print Comic

I was looking over Inferiority Superiority Complex, and noticed that a bunch of examples that used to be there were gone, and a look at the history confirmed that someone named Zealots deleted a whole bunch of examples, with no explanation as to why. Was this part of a trope cleanup effort, or was Zealots doing an unsanctioned purge?

YMMV problems in Green Lantern Print Comic

So, almost a month I removed these entries from the YMMV page of Green Lantern.

• Memetic Loser: It's either Hal, for losing his mind despite supposedly being one of the most willful individuals in the universe and becoming his own antithesis (and having a panned movie and generally being the least liked lantern) or Kyle for not being able to catch a break to save his life.
• Memetic Personality Change: In Fan Works focused on the Justice League where Hal is a secondary character, he'll usually be portrayed as a tryhard constantly attempting to prove his worth to the rest of the league. In fact portrayals of him like this are more common now than ones with Aquaman, which is saying something. This has only gained more steam following his appearance in The LEGO Batman Movie as The Friend Nobody Likes.

These entries only applied to specific portions of the fanbase and do not represent the Green Lantern fanbase as a whole, and in my opinion, don't really add much to the page and are just there to make fun of otherwise beloved characters in a page that, in theory, is supposed to be neutral. Troper DB Zfan 102 added them back with the justification:

See the webcomic parody 'Injustice For All' for just one example of Hal being portrayed like this in Fan Works. Basically anyone who never read Hal will depict him negatively, and Kyle similarly gets a bad rap for his Trauma Conga Line of a life... Also, see There Is No Such Thing As Notability. Examples don't need citations, least of all ones about trends inside a fandom, and least of all ones that are YMMV, and thus based on opinion. That's like asking for an example of Dex-Starr being called Rage Cat in a fan work for the Memetic Mutation example.

I still stand by my earlier opinion, not to mention that a single fanwork doesn't speak for the entire fanbase, but maybe I'm just taking this way too seriously. What do you think?

Astro City - Glamorax pronouns? Print Comic

There seems to be some ongoing back-and-forth on the Characters.Astro City page where the pronouns for a character named Glamorax keep being switched back and forth between 'they/them' and just the character's name/Glam. Looks like it's happened a few times over the last few years. I haven't read enough of the comic to weigh in (only a few scattered trades here and there), but it'd probably be good to settle it one way or the other.

Asked on the forum topic for Astro City (as far as I saw there was only one from 2014) as well, no answer yet.

How do I create a new work page? Print Comic

I want to write a page for the S Pider-Man storyline Sins rising, but I don't know how to actually start a works page.

Bad Example of Base-Breaking Character? Print Comic

I was looking at Batgirl (2011), and came across this:

• Base-Breaking Character: Alysia Yeoh. Less about the character herself, and more about whether her being transgender is handled well or is being shoved into the reader's face to make the comic look progressive. Her getting Demoted to Extra when Cameron Stewart, Brenden Fletcher and Babs Tarr took over made this worse. It doesn't help that when she was brought back, many felt that the writers are treating her less like a full character, and more like a PR stunt.

1. Wouldn't this be a case of Broken Base, rather than Base-Breaking Character, if the divide is "less about the character herself"?
2. Is she even a base-breaking character? I'm not in the Batgirl fandom, so I have no idea what the general mood is, but in my experience, when someone uses the "shoved in the reader's face", it suggests someone's been analyzing things in bad faith.

Indexing of Judge Dredd Complete Monster page. Print Comic

Okay, ~Psychotic Ranger 4567 and I seem to be going back and forth, and I want to nip this before it becomes an Edit War.

I think that Judge Dredd should be listed for works with their own examples at both Monster.Two Thousand AD page Monster.Comic Books (similar to, say, how Conan the Barbarian's listed under both Monster.Marvel Comics and Monster.Comic Books ), but 4567 thinks it should only be under one. If it were just 2000 AD stuff that'd be fine, but considering there's DC, IDW, etc., that's numerous other comics. Just like Conan has both Marvel and Dark Horse.

So, thoughts?

EditWar in YMMV/SonicTheHedgehogIDW Print Comic

Jeffret keeps readding a Base-Breaking Character example for the Deadly Six in YMMV.Sonic The Hedgehog IDW despite being repeatedly told it doesn't apply by other users (due to the arc the Deadly Six debuted in not being 6 months old yet). He's also added complainy statements about the Deadly Six to the page previously, which were promptly deleted for being natter and violating the "YMMV can't be played with" rule.

Superman = Designated Hero? Print Comic

Troper DBZfan102 added Superman to the comic book section of Designated Hero with the following argument:

"Superman came off as this in his earliest stories, as he had yet to become the iconic beacon of hope he is today. One story showed him angry that a friend of his died to a car accident and hijack a radio stadio to declare war on all reckless drivers. Hundreds of dollars in property damage later, Superman has succeeded in his goal, as driving laws are now rigidly enforced by the mayor (after Supes kidnapped him and took him to a morgue so he could guilt him with all the victims of driving accidents, natch), and the story ends with Superman getting a ticket for parking in the wrong place. This leaves the reader wondering if it's just a kooky Ironic Twist Ending typical of comics of the time, or if Superman is receiving Laser-Guided Karma for his vigilantism. Hijacking a radio station to declare war on blank sounds straight out of a Saturday Morning Cartoon villain's playbook."

• "He sometimes slips back into this in modern comics, particularly some moments in Superman: Grounded where he refuses to do hero things just to make some kind of vaguely-defined point about non-interference."

I have to ask, is this valid? I know that Golden Age Superman wasn't exactly the boy scout he is today, but I still question the validity of this entry. What do you say?

Character pages for the Green Lanterns Print Comic

The character page for the Green Lantern Corps has become enormous in recent years. I think the Earth Lanterns have enough tropes to fit their own pages. What do you say?

Is Barry Allen a Designated Hero? Print Comic

Barry Allen has earned himself quite the lengthy entry at the comic book section of Designated Hero. It reads:

"The Flash: Barry Allen, the Silver Age incarnation of the character, has largely became this upon being brought back and pushed as the main Flash.

• Upon returning, he created the Flashpoint incident while trying to undo the meddling of his arch-enemy, Eobard Thawne/Reverse-Flash, who had altered Barry's past to give him an angstier backstory involving his mother getting murdered. However, rather than work with other heroes who are experts on this kind of thing, like Booster Gold or even his own former protege and Superior Successor Wally West (who unlike Barry, could run through time-and-space unaided and understood their powers on a much greater level), he did this by himself, resulting in a distorted Darker and Edgier timeline. While his motivations were sympathetic, the sheer idiocy of his blunder and how easily it could have been avoided, especially as he was warned prior during the Prelude to Flashpoint about what was going to happen and did it anyway.
• When he realised what he did and undid it, the result still didn't fix his mistake, resulting in a new timeline that was still Darker and Edgier, only everyone was also Younger and Hipper on top; while Barry's life in this new timeline wasn't bad, his friends were made miserable with both marriages and people erased, including Wally West, Wally's kids, and also Jay Garrick, Jesse Chambers, and the rest of the Flash Family. Though all of this was because Executive Meddling was in play (co-publisher Dan DiDio wanted the rest of the Flash family erased due to his personal dislike of Wally West and his belief that the franchise should be simpler, as well as his preference for Darker and Edgier stories and belief that True Art Is Angsty), it essentially meant that in-universe, Barry was personally responsible for erasing his nephew and family from existence, essentially killing them, while making everyone else he knew miserable and lonely. Meanwhile, Barry in this new timeline? He was a young, happy single with a cute Adorkable girlfriend, largely beloved by his city, with nobody knowing or remembering what he did.
• The Rebirth era didn't help with this matter, even after Wally West returns. During a team-up with Batman, he discovered Wally wasn't the only forgotten speedster when he meets Jay Garrick in the Speed Force. Rather than working tirelessly to save Jay, as you would expect a hero like Barry to do, he seemingly forgets about it to instead focus on other stuff. Then, Wally has his memory of his kids restored to him, and he calls Barry out on not even informing him about other trapped speedsters; he claims he was working with Batman to investigate it off-panel, but they were clearly not sparing much time looking into this, which could have been resolved by informing Wally, who not only wasn't busy with anything thanks to having his life erased, and also understands the Speed Force to a much greater extent than Barry and would be better suited into looking into it. Then, after the two are manipulated by Hunter Zolomon, Wally has a breakdown over the memory of his kids, so Barry sends him to a mental health facility where he never visits him, trusting instead that the facility can help him. It doesn't. Meanwhile, after sending Wally away, Barry could take this as an indication he should put more focus into finding the lost speedsters, but instead, he starts a different investigation into the "Other Forces", something he could have left up to his new ally, Commander Cold while he continued searching for Jay, Jesse, and Max. While his lack of focus on this could be chalked up to not remembering the other speedsters, it still looks callous of him to know people are suffering and to do nothing, even when told these people are his family."

Okay, I gotta ask: is this valid? I know that some people still have grievances towards Barry even after the end of Comic Book/Flashpoint and I do admit that I don't have the best knowledge on Barry's history, but this entry is so long and descriptive that it comes off as opinionated writing. What do we do with this?

Garfield Website is No More Print Comic

Garfield and U.S. Acres

Since Paws, Inc. was bought out by Viacom last year, Viacom as of yesterday have shut down garfield.com that was in use since 1996 leaving behind two links (one to Nickelodeon and the other to the Go Comics mirror).

All of the garfield.com links in the main Garfield comic pages (including audience reaction pages) along with the cross-wicks need to be updated to point the links to the Go Comics mirror.

Unfortunately US Acres does not have a mirror and cannot be accessed anymore outside the Internet Archive. Any missing comics not archived may have to have their links purged from the US Acres articles via Weblinks Are Not Examples .

The Garfield flash games may have been archived on other sites so any links to them may need to point to the sites that have them saved instead of garfield.com.

There might be other matters, but these are the three main ones I'd figure to bring up here.

First Time Editor Print Comic

After reading a few comic book pages, I wanted to add some tropes on the YMMV page, but I've never edited a trope page before and I'm not sure what the proper procedure is. I didn't want to just hit the 'Edit' button and go wild. I've been trying to look for a good rules or procedure list, but the FAQ on the forum wasn't helping. I could have just missed something, I admit. Basically, what do I need to do to start making edits and additions properly?

The page image caption for Know-Nothing Know-It-All bothers and confuses me. Print Comic

Hi, please let me know if there is a better place to ask this. So, the page image for Know-Nothing Know-It-All is part of a Calvin and Hobbes strip where Hobbes tells Calvin the basic math problem he needs help with requires calculus and imaginary numbers. The caption is "There are imaginary numbers, just not the ones he's thinking of.", and links to Right for the Wrong Reasons and Eleventy Zillion. Maybe I am missing something and am mistaken, but I feel like the caption is really inaccurate? The joke looks to me like he clearly has a vague idea of imaginary numbers being an advanced and hard math concept like calculus. Even if he barely understands what the term means, I do not see how that implies that he thinks "imaginary numbers" means Eleventy Zillion numbers. Either me or the caption writer is missing the point of something, and I am not sure who. If I am right, it probably needs a better caption.

Where would I put characters tropes about characters in relation to each other? Print Comic

Specifically, I'm working on Deadpool stuff. For Deadpool Allies, and there are characters who have their own pages, like Bullseye (who need an actual character page) and Cable.

I'm aware of there's a rule or guideline for characters who already have their own character pages where you'd only list tropes specific to appearances in that series, in this case specific to stuff in the many Deadpool series.

But where would tropes go about these characters and Deadpool in relation to each other? For instance, Heterosexual Life-Partners, Red Oni, Blue Oni, Vitriolic Best Buds... would character pair tropes go on one or more of: Deadpool Allies within that character's folder, Deadpool: The Character, the character page for the second character?