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ComicBook/ to Characters/ cleanup Print Comic
As has been discussed many times here and on the forums, there are several character pages for the DC and Marvel universes masquerading as work pages in the Comic Book/ (or occasionally Self Demonstrating/) namespace. Before I take this into the forums (most likely Short Term Projects), I'd like to address a few points from the last discussion and see if anyone has any major objections.
The last discussion was here
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My official proposal is:
Change the ComicBook/ pages for characters without a series into Characters/ pages or entries on a Characters/ folder. If the character has a series, the page can remain, but it has to be about the series, not the character.
To give a few examples:
- ComicBook.Booster Gold becomes a page for his series, with his character tropes moved to Characters.Justice League International (currently a redirect to a Justice League of America subpage at the stupidly-long name of Justice League Of America Justice League International)
- Cyclops has had only a handful of title appearances: Two one-shots, a miniseries, and a solo series that we already trope at Cyclops (2014). Nothing particularly important happens in the one-shots or miniseries and every trope present is about the character and not the series, so the page can be moved outright to Characters.X Men Cyclops (with the stuff that doesn't belong on a Characters page removed.)
- The several pages for Batman villains become part of the Batman character index under Characters.Batman Rogues Gallery.
- In the interest of concision and not appearing overly unwieldy, those that get entire pages to themselves would be named something like Characters.DCU The Joker or Characters.Batman The Joker instead of some long name such as Characters.Batman Rogues Gallery The Joker.
Characters can only have one "primary" character entry, to avoid splitting their tropes across multiple pages.
- Example: Cassie Lang is a member of the Young Avengers and The Avengers, was a major character in Astonishing Ant-Man, and made a few supporting appearances in other comics. Her character tropes would go on Characters.Young Avengers, with the character pages for Avengers (2000s Members) and Astonishing Ant Man (should it ever exist) linking there.
For Characters/ pages for specific series, the main characters can have separate entries for their appearances in only that series, but established side characters and cameos from the existing universe shouldn't have their own entries unless they have significant focus or Character Development.
- Example: Robin Series's main character is Tim/Robin, so he can have a unique entry for his characterization in only that series, separate from his entry on Characters.Robin.
If there are related series starring the same character under multiple titles and we are unwilling/unable to use either title, the ComicBook/ page can be named after the character.
This is just making what we already do official. I'm only mentioning this because of the complaints about ComicBook.Carol Danvers, which is that page's name because ComicBook.Ms Marvel and ComicBook.Captain Marvel (redirects to Main/) are both disambiguation pages and disambiguating by year would cause confusion.
Character tropes still have to move, however.
Establish pages/indexes at Characters.Marvel Villains and Characters.DCU Villains. This is a solution for the Rogues-Gallery Transplant problem, as well as introducing a place to put "universe-wide" villains such as Superboy-Prime, M.O.D.O.K., or Thanos.
A Point in the Right Direction Print Comic
A few weeks ago I Wiki Walked into the page Losing Is Worse Than Death. I did a bit of curating there and, in the process, came across an entry for Usagi Yojimbo. However, the grammar was such I was legitimately unsure what the entry was even trying to describe. Hoping to get some clarification, I popped the entry into the Usagi Yojimbo discussion page, since the last edit before I found Losing Is Worse Than Death was back in February.
However, that was weeks ago and there's been no response. If there's an actual example there I'd like to preserve it, but I don't know the comic enough to re-write it. This doesn't really seem like a job for the Is This an Example? forum thread, since I'm not even sure what the example even is.
What I'd like is maybe a point in the right direction for where to get help with this. Should I go to the Is This an Example thread after all? Is there a thread I'm not thinking or aware of?
Edited by sgamer82
Brian Michael Bendis' Superman Print Comic
Brian Michael Bendis has been controversial among Superman fans for the creative choices he makes regarding the Superman comics, but a few minutes ago this was added to the YMMV page:
- They Changed It, Now It Sucks!: Despite Bendis' assurances Lois and Clark are still in love and will not separate, fans were left divided over his characterisation of Lois when the Kents finally did reunite. Some critics took issue with Lois referring to Clark as "baby" instead of "Smallville", how ecstatic she was with leaving her only son in space with his grandfather (who'd previously been a genocidal monster) because of his puberty kicking in, and suggesting Clark wanted, not needed, her and that she prioritised her journalism over her family. Fans were also annoyed at the lazy writing as Lois' reasons and assurances were pretty much verbatim what Bendis had already said in interviews about the state of the relationship.
Is this a valid complaint or not?
Edited by MasterHero
Recreate ComicBook/Drain trope page Print Comic
Is it ok if i can recreate the trope page for Comic Book/Drain, a vampire comic by writer C. B. Cebulski and artist by Sana Takeda? I have the graphic novel version of Drain which also includes an epilogue that doesn't appear in the original comics.
Recurring hidden easter egg? Print Comic
You know how in every cover of Playboy magazine, the playboy bunny is hidden somewhere in the design; I remember also in the mexican Nintendo Magazine, Club Nintendo, back in the day their logo was diamond shaped, so they hid a diamond somewhere in the illustration in every cover.
Is there a trope name for stuff like that? I guess they may be considered easter eggs, but I didn't find anything quite like that on the list of examples of the trope.
Superman: Truth Print Comic
Does Superman: Truth feature Darkness-Induced Audience Apathy? I added this argument years ago: "Truth works on the principle that all the heroism and goodwill Superman has established don't stand for much when his secret identity gets out. His powers have decreased, he has very few allies, public opinion has turned against him and he has become angsty and cynical. On top of things, he is no closer at stopping the Arc Villains than he was at the start. All of this makes it very hard for readers to get emotionally invested in this arc. Clark's astonishing take on Took a Level in Jerkass and its subtext (look below on "Unintentionally Unsympathetic") doesn't helps any." Last time I looked, Darkness-Induced Audience Apathy applies when both sides in the conflict are equally unlikable or the heroes' efforts amount to nothing and the universe still sucks.
I also disagree with the portrayals of Superman and Lois Lane in the story but I'm not sure whether or not they qualify for Character Derailment. Could anyone please help me with this?
Rainbow Rowell's Runaways? Print Comic
Did someone ask Downplayer to create a new page for the 2017 Runaways series? Because I was under the impression that the two series were supposed to share a work page (and YMMV page) because they take place in the same continuity and have mostly the same team lineup.
Edited by StrixObscuro
DorkAge Print Comic
Many entries in the Dork Age article seem to be written just to express annoyance for annoyance's sake. Seriously, someone once wrote Brian Michael Bendis' Superman before that story had just started publication. I think I know how to specify when does an entry in a long-running franchise qualifies as a Dork Age:
1. It has to be a critical and financial disappointment
2. Any changes it brought to the series must be undone by later installments
3. Whenever it's referenced by other entries, it has to be done in a negative manner.
What do you think?
Improper Character Article? Print Comic
Downplayer removed nearly all the content from the "Victor Mancha" section on Runaways and moved it to a new page, Victor Mancha. No warning or explanation were given for this massive change, and for the life of me, I can't see why a new page is justified, especially at the expense of the established page, since Victor has neither received a solo series nor headlined any team, and most of his significant appearances in comics have been with the Runaways. What is the protocol in these matters?
Edited by StrixObscuro
Heroes In Crisis Print Comic
The YMMV page for Heroes in Crisis appears to be edit-locked. Was this intentional, or another casualty of that bug that's been plaguing the site lately?
Vandalism on Batman's article Print Comic
A guy called Boost keeps vandalizing Batman's page. What should we do?
Legion Lost? Print Comic
One of the works listed in the "Works in Need of a Summary" page is Legion Lost. Should that be a page for the DnA miniseries or the New 52 series? Similarly, is the request for Voodoo about the Wildstorm series, the New 52 series, or another series?
Article Name Change Print Comic
Now that the first issue of “Injustice vs. Masters of the Universe” has come out, I would like to know how to make that the article’s new title, and how to make the book’s working title name, and the article’s current name “Injustice vs. He-Man and the Masters of the Universe” a redirect title.
Carol Danvers Print Comic
As you all probably know, the film Captain Marvel (2019) is on its way. But the comic book character has a page in "Ms. Marvel", a name that has not been used since many years ago. In fact, there is another Ms. Marvel in town nowadays, "Ms. Marvel (2014)". The Ms. Marvel page was probably created when she was still using that name, but with the upcoming film she will likely stay as Captain Marvel for good. And Kamala Khan has a fandom of her own, and will probably keep the name for good as well.
What about moving her page to Carol Danvers? We can't move her to "Captain Marvel" because there have been several, and Captain Marvel is already a DAB, but the current name (that will probably not be used in the film) will look a bit weird and outdated when the film gets near, if it doesn't already. "Ms. Marvel", with no year, should be turned into another DAB as well.
Typo or correct? Print Comic
Manhua exist, manhwa exist, but do manwha exist? There are 2 pages in the Manwha/ namespace and I'm not sure if those are typos or correct spellings. https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/namespace_index.php?ns=Manwha
Does Internet Backdraft Need to Be Rational? Print Comic
Someone deleted an example of Internet Backdraft from the YMMV page for Runaways on the grounds that the backdraft was an overreaction based on a misinterpretation of events. Does a backdraft have to be rational in order to qualify as a backdraft?
walking dead picture change Print Comic
The picture for The Walking Dead was changed by numbahloki16 but there is no edit reason and no note about image pickn' on the page. I PMed them but they haven't responded. What should I do?
Edited by papyru30
Spam in review comments Print Comic
There seem to be no fewer than 3 spambots in the comments for https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/review_comments.php?id=17862.
Bendis' Superman era Print Comic
I've just created a new article for the new Superman era under Brian Michael Bendis to categorize tropes that will be featured in both the relaunched Superman and Action Comics, much like the Dan Slott and Nick Spencer eras for Spider-Man, while Comic Lover 1995 created an article for the new Superman book, also written by Bendis. Since both articles are likely to feature the same tropes, what should we do?
Edited by MasterHero
Another Ultimatum Print Comic
Ultimatum had a Downer Ending listed, because several heroes died in it, almost half of the regular cast of the Ultimate Marvel line. I changed it to Bittersweet Ending, because yes, half the cast died, but earth's axis was restored to its proper setting and Magneto (the villain of the story and the Big Bad of the Ultimate universe) was killed. Then, it was changed back to downer ending. I don't want to start an edit war, so which one is it? Or is it a Pyrrhic Victory, or some other alternative type of ending?
Edited by GrigorII
YMMV/Sinestro Print Comic
The YMMV page for Sinestro (the comic book) is currently occupied by YMMV from Sinestro (a self-demonstrating page). In a case where there is both a work page and a self-demonstrating page, which should get the YMMV?
Edited by StrixObscuro
DC's Dark Matter Print Comic
Context: DC is having an imprint spinning out of Dark Nights: Metal which is called Dark Matter. Problem is the Name's the Same. Specifically, the imprint's sharing a name with the TV show Dark Matter. And with it, several subpages.
I ask if it would be alright to move the page for the upcoming DC imprint as to avoid conflict with the series (under the assumption that the imprint will at least attract a YMMV and/or trivia pages for general events and that like Young Animal, it would not be branded as apart of DC Rebirth despite being set in that continuity)
Edited by MorningStar1337
Redundant Requests On The Summary/Comics Page? Print Comic
I have been trying to the best of my ability to clean up the queue on the Summary/Comics page by creating work pages, but some of the requests (particularly the New 52 DC ones) seem redundant, and seem to have been put there solely because the corresponding titles ended up on an index. Do we really need a separate page for Batman Dark Knight or Green Lantern Corps when any tropes from those series could be included on pre-existing work pages?
Multiple Index Tags on the Creator/ValiantComics Page Print Comic
I've noticed that the Valiant Comics creator page has multiple index tags. Is it really necessary to have more than one per index?
A Link to the Past comic on Zelda manga page Print Comic
Why does ComicBook.The Legend Of Zelda A Link To The Past (the OEL Manga by Shotaro Ishinomori printed in Nintendo Power) have its own folder with a trope list on Manga.The Legend Of Zelda even though it also has its own page?