Ant-Man Edits and Motivations. Print Comic

Hello. I would like to call attention to potentially problematic behavior.

On Ant-Man main page and its ymmv page, I added clarifications about Hank Pym's actions slapping Janet and so on (a famous Never Live It Down Moment). I quoted chapter-and-verse, issue number, comic panel and scene descriptions.

There's this poster (https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/el.php?findfor=FastAsFastCanBe) who undoes my edits, in some places without giving reasons. And, in my opinion and judgment, it blatantly is leaning into Victim Blaming (attacking Janet) and minimizing and whitewashing Domestic Abuse. I put a long post on Discussion but this poster has not responded. Looking at his post-history, he seems to have started recently and mainly devoted to defending Hank Pym's good name since all his edits are related to minimizing this.

I believe this is what is called Troping with an agenda. Can someone please fix this and revert to earlier versions?

Superman: Grounded Print Comic

I want to verify if these tropes on the YMMV page of Superman: Grounded are being used properly.

• Dork Age: When J. Michael Straczynski was the writer, Grounded was called the worst comic of the year.
• Hilarious in Hindsight: During Superman's conversation with the suicidal woman, Felicity Rose, Superman notes with sadness that it's not fair that JFK, John Lennon, and Gandhi are all dead but Gaddafi, Fidel Castro, and Charles Manson are still alive. By the year 2018, all three of the latter would be dead, too, and the last two would die within a year of each other.

Dork Age requires that a) the story arc is a critical and financial failure, b) any changes it brings to the Superman saga are undone by later installments and c) whenever it's referenced by other entries, it's done in a negative manner.

Hilarious in Hindsight is more than just the comic book predicting a future event. Superman #701, the issue that features that conversation, was released on July 2010, so I don't know if it really qualifies.

What do you think?

Panzerfraulein Alteseisen Print Comic

Hey, you guys made a whole page of tropes for this Manga, thus implying that you read it somewhere at some point. My question is: where? does anyone know where I can find this manga translated into either English or German? thanks for any help! -NVC

Krazy kat comic Print Comic

I saw this "In one Krazy Kat strip, Ignatz attaches a magnet to a balloon to get Krazy's iron helmet off. Enter a woodpecker..." Any one know where i can find the comic strip where this happened? images or title of the strip for krazy kat where this happened?

Tigra: Potential Woobie? Print Comic

So, The Woobie page is one of those "only mods can edit" pages, I get that. But where do I contact the mods about a possible addition? C-Lister The Avengers character Tigra seems to me that she fits the criteria:

• Her husband was killed as part of a conspiracy of dirty cops.
• She switched from "The Cat" (a costumed hero) to Tigra (a literal Cat Girl) after being mortally wounded in battle.
• Her transformation has repeatedly left her mentally unstable, resulting in humiliating actions that include her becoming a feral monster who was shrunk down to the size of a house cat and kept in a cage somewhere in Hank Pym's lab.
• She has repeatedly been overwhelmed by opponents, who have often humiliated her extensively; this list includes Molecule Man, the Hood, Kraven, and Graviton. Humiliations include being forced to act like a pet for Molecule Man, and being subjected to a real-life home invasion style beatdown by the Hood.
• She's actually left the Avengers at least once due to feeling she's not cut out to dealing with the threats they face.
• She was raped-by-deceit by a Skrull in the form of Hank Pym, which got her pregnant.

Does the narrator of Redman count as a lemony narrator? Print Comic

I'm currently editing the Redman Comicbook's page and I was wondering if I should count the book's narrator as a lemony narrator. The thing that would qualify them is that they sound like an overexcited TV host and they're also seemingly being built up as the big bad! Would this count as a lemony narrator?

Dark Victory Print Comic

Should the Batman comic Dark Victory be retitled Batman: Dark Victory to reduce confusion with Dark Victory?

The title is technically Batman: Dark Victory.

Negative bias Print Comic

The Heroes in Crisis page seems to be full of negative comments and criticisms towards the storyline. I would like to remind everyone here that 1) TV Tropes is not meant to replicate the reading experience and 2) TV Tropes is not the place to express negativity towards a work of art, outside from reviews. I understand not everyone is happy with this story arc but there has to be a limit on how much negativity a website like ours can allow before it becomes a vehicle for hatred.

A Link to the Past comic on Zelda manga page Print Comic

Why does ComicBook.The Legend Of Zelda A Link To The Past (the OEL Manga by Shotaro Ishinomori printed in Nintendo Power) have its own folder with a trope list on Manga.The Legend Of Zelda even though it also has its own page?

ComicBook/ to Characters/ cleanup Print Comic

As has been discussed many times here and on the forums, there are several character pages for the DC and Marvel universes masquerading as work pages in the Comic Book/ (or occasionally Self Demonstrating/) namespace. Before I take this into the forums (most likely Short Term Projects), I'd like to address a few points from the last discussion and see if anyone has any major objections.

The last discussion was here.

My official proposal is:

Change the ComicBook/ pages for characters without a series into Characters/ pages or entries on a Characters/ folder. If the character has a series, the page can remain, but it has to be about the series, not the character.

To give a few examples:

• ComicBook.Booster Gold becomes a page for his series, with his character tropes moved to Characters.Justice League International (currently a redirect to a Justice League of America subpage at the stupidly-long name of Justice League Of America Justice League International)
• Cyclops has had only a handful of title appearances: Two one-shots, a miniseries, and a solo series that we already trope at Cyclops (2014). Nothing particularly important happens in the one-shots or miniseries and every trope present is about the character and not the series, so the page can be moved outright to Characters.X Men Cyclops (with the stuff that doesn't belong on a Characters page removed.)
• The several pages for Batman villains become part of the Batman character index under Characters.Batman Rogues Gallery.
  • In the interest of concision and not appearing overly unwieldy, those that get entire pages to themselves would be named something like Characters.DCU The Joker or Characters.Batman The Joker instead of some long name such as Characters.Batman Rogues Gallery The Joker.

Characters can only have one "primary" character entry, to avoid splitting their tropes across multiple pages.

• Example: Cassie Lang is a member of the Young Avengers and The Avengers, was a major character in Astonishing Ant-Man, and made a few supporting appearances in other comics. Her character tropes would go on Characters.Young Avengers, with the character pages for Avengers (2000s Members) and Astonishing Ant Man (should it ever exist) linking there.

For Characters/ pages for specific series, the main characters can have separate entries for their appearances in only that series, but established side characters and cameos from the existing universe shouldn't have their own entries unless they have significant focus or Character Development.

• Example: Robin Series's main character is Tim/Robin, so he can have a unique entry for his characterization in only that series, separate from his entry on Characters.Robin.

If there are related series starring the same character under multiple titles and we are unwilling/unable to use either title, the ComicBook/ page can be named after the character.

This is just making what we already do official. I'm only mentioning this because of the complaints about ComicBook.Carol Danvers, which is that page's name because ComicBook.Ms Marvel and ComicBook.Captain Marvel (redirects to Main/) are both disambiguation pages and disambiguating by year would cause confusion.

Character tropes still have to move, however.

Establish pages/indexes at Characters.Marvel Villains and Characters.DCU Villains. This is a solution for the Rogues-Gallery Transplant problem, as well as introducing a place to put "universe-wide" villains such as Superboy-Prime, M.O.D.O.K., or Thanos.

A Point in the Right Direction Print Comic

A few weeks ago I Wiki Walked into the page Losing Is Worse Than Death. I did a bit of curating there and, in the process, came across an entry for Usagi Yojimbo. However, the grammar was such I was legitimately unsure what the entry was even trying to describe. Hoping to get some clarification, I popped the entry into the Usagi Yojimbo discussion page, since the last edit before I found Losing Is Worse Than Death was back in February.

However, that was weeks ago and there's been no response. If there's an actual example there I'd like to preserve it, but I don't know the comic enough to re-write it. This doesn't really seem like a job for the Is This an Example? forum thread, since I'm not even sure what the example even is.

What I'd like is maybe a point in the right direction for where to get help with this. Should I go to the Is This an Example thread after all? Is there a thread I'm not thinking or aware of?

Brian Michael Bendis' Superman Print Comic

Brian Michael Bendis has been controversial among Superman fans for the creative choices he makes regarding the Superman comics, but a few minutes ago this was added to the YMMV page:

• They Changed It, Now It Sucks!: Despite Bendis' assurances Lois and Clark are still in love and will not separate, fans were left divided over his characterisation of Lois when the Kents finally did reunite. Some critics took issue with Lois referring to Clark as "baby" instead of "Smallville", how ecstatic she was with leaving her only son in space with his grandfather (who'd previously been a genocidal monster) because of his puberty kicking in, and suggesting Clark wanted, not needed, her and that she prioritised her journalism over her family. Fans were also annoyed at the lazy writing as Lois' reasons and assurances were pretty much verbatim what Bendis had already said in interviews about the state of the relationship.

Is this a valid complaint or not?

Recreate ComicBook/Drain trope page Print Comic

Is it ok if i can recreate the trope page for Comic Book/Drain, a vampire comic by writer C. B. Cebulski and artist by Sana Takeda? I have the graphic novel version of Drain which also includes an epilogue that doesn't appear in the original comics.

Recurring hidden easter egg? Print Comic

You know how in every cover of Playboy magazine, the playboy bunny is hidden somewhere in the design; I remember also in the mexican Nintendo Magazine, Club Nintendo, back in the day their logo was diamond shaped, so they hid a diamond somewhere in the illustration in every cover.

Is there a trope name for stuff like that? I guess they may be considered easter eggs, but I didn't find anything quite like that on the list of examples of the trope.

Superman: Truth Print Comic

Does Superman: Truth feature Darkness-Induced Audience Apathy? I added this argument years ago: "Truth works on the principle that all the heroism and goodwill Superman has established don't stand for much when his secret identity gets out. His powers have decreased, he has very few allies, public opinion has turned against him and he has become angsty and cynical. On top of things, he is no closer at stopping the Arc Villains than he was at the start. All of this makes it very hard for readers to get emotionally invested in this arc. Clark's astonishing take on Took a Level in Jerkass and its subtext (look below on "Unintentionally Unsympathetic") doesn't helps any." Last time I looked, Darkness-Induced Audience Apathy applies when both sides in the conflict are equally unlikable or the heroes' efforts amount to nothing and the universe still sucks.

I also disagree with the portrayals of Superman and Lois Lane in the story but I'm not sure whether or not they qualify for Character Derailment. Could anyone please help me with this?

Rainbow Rowell's Runaways? Print Comic

Did someone ask Downplayer to create a new page for the 2017 Runaways series? Because I was under the impression that the two series were supposed to share a work page (and YMMV page) because they take place in the same continuity and have mostly the same team lineup.

DorkAge Print Comic

Many entries in the Dork Age article seem to be written just to express annoyance for annoyance's sake. Seriously, someone once wrote Brian Michael Bendis' Superman before that story had just started publication. I think I know how to specify when does an entry in a long-running franchise qualifies as a Dork Age:

1. It has to be a critical and financial disappointment

2. Any changes it brought to the series must be undone by later installments

3. Whenever it's referenced by other entries, it has to be done in a negative manner.

What do you think?

Improper Character Article? Print Comic

Downplayer removed nearly all the content from the "Victor Mancha" section on Runaways and moved it to a new page, Victor Mancha. No warning or explanation were given for this massive change, and for the life of me, I can't see why a new page is justified, especially at the expense of the established page, since Victor has neither received a solo series nor headlined any team, and most of his significant appearances in comics have been with the Runaways. What is the protocol in these matters?

Heroes In Crisis Print Comic

The YMMV page for Heroes in Crisis appears to be edit-locked. Was this intentional, or another casualty of that bug that's been plaguing the site lately?

Vandalism on Batman's article Print Comic

A guy called Boost keeps vandalizing Batman's page. What should we do?

Legion Lost? Print Comic

One of the works listed in the "Works in Need of a Summary" page is Legion Lost. Should that be a page for the DnA miniseries or the New 52 series? Similarly, is the request for Voodoo about the Wildstorm series, the New 52 series, or another series?

Article Name Change Print Comic

Now that the first issue of “Injustice vs. Masters of the Universe” has come out, I would like to know how to make that the article’s new title, and how to make the book’s working title name, and the article’s current name “Injustice vs. He-Man and the Masters of the Universe” a redirect title.

Carol Danvers Print Comic

As you all probably know, the film Captain Marvel (2019) is on its way. But the comic book character has a page in "Ms. Marvel", a name that has not been used since many years ago. In fact, there is another Ms. Marvel in town nowadays, "Ms. Marvel (2014)". The Ms. Marvel page was probably created when she was still using that name, but with the upcoming film she will likely stay as Captain Marvel for good. And Kamala Khan has a fandom of her own, and will probably keep the name for good as well.

What about moving her page to Carol Danvers? We can't move her to "Captain Marvel" because there have been several, and Captain Marvel is already a DAB, but the current name (that will probably not be used in the film) will look a bit weird and outdated when the film gets near, if it doesn't already. "Ms. Marvel", with no year, should be turned into another DAB as well.

Typo or correct? Print Comic

Manhua exist, manhwa exist, but do manwha exist? There are 2 pages in the Manwha/ namespace and I'm not sure if those are typos or correct spellings. https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/namespace_index.php?ns=Manwha

Does Internet Backdraft Need to Be Rational? Print Comic

Someone deleted an example of Internet Backdraft from the YMMV page for Runaways on the grounds that the backdraft was an overreaction based on a misinterpretation of events. Does a backdraft have to be rational in order to qualify as a backdraft?