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Here's another candidate I'm nominating: Jonah King from Drive Angry, a Nicolas Cage action movie.

Who is Jonah King? What has he done?

Jonah King is a Satanic cult leader leading a group of psychos slavishly devoted to him. He lured the criminal Anti-Hero John Milton's daughter into his cult. After Milton's untimely death Jonah kills her husband, takes her baby girl (Milton's granddaughter) to use in a sacrifice and forces Milton's daughter to give him a blowjob at gunpoint. She bites his dick off, after which he cuts off her head himself and keeps her femur to use as a cane. The entire rest of the movie is spent trying to sacrifice the baby and evading the heroes (including the resurrected Milton), killing numerous people on the way. He also briefly kidnaps Piper, Milton's female companion, but when she proves too much trouble to convert he tries to kill her and threatens to defile her corpse afterwards.

Does he stand out?

Yes. Milton is pursued by an infernal Accountant on the orders of Satan, but this Satan (and his lieutenant) is actually a Punch-Clock Villain who hates that people do evil things in his name. Jonah King is easily worse than any of his followers as well.

Freudian Excuse or redeeming traits?

None. He makes some vague sermon to his followers that he will bring Hell to Earth with the sacrifice to make a better world for them, but this is just a public act. He doesn't care one bit for his followers, being completely unmoved when they sacrifice themselves for him and immediately shooting one of them on the off chance that the guy might confirm his status as a eunuch. He also isn't led by a higher power, since Satan hates him and the baby's sacrifice won't actually bring him anything.

Conclusion

All of King's crimes are onscreen including what he did to Milton's family, which is shown in flashbacks. He goes way beyond the heinous bar and any justification he presents is ultimately fake. He's just a power mad, egocentric cultist, rapist, and babykiller who doesn't care about anyone except himself.

edited 23rd Dec '13 5:39:31 PM by Morgenthaler

I looked and there did not seem to be a real connection between them.

Sounds like one to me.

Are William Quantrill's fiction counterparts disqualified as CM's due to him being a real-life person? Or is Quantrill a special case given how many times he's been portrayed as a bloodthirsty villain in fiction?

edited 23rd Dec '13 7:25:57 PM by ryanasaurus0077

King sounds like a keep.

Being based off a real life person isn't enough to cut someone. Could you specify what work you are referring to?

For example, the 1958 film Quantrill's Raiders, which is about the Lawrence Massacre carried out by Quantrill's guerilla gang in 1863. I was planning on buying myself a copy some time in the near future and then watching it and taking notes on my nearest word processor and presenting my results to you afterwards.

Indeed, we've had villains based on real people who were actually TONED DOWN from the real person, though we still can't mention that.

This post back from a discussion on Amon Goeth from Schindler's List sums up how we deal with villains based on real people.

I hate that we can't mention that.

Now that I think about it, the issue of including villains based on real people seems to come up a lot. Should we make a FAQ about it?

Also, on Webcomics, was this entry supposed to be expanded?

• In Everyday Heroes, Wrecking Paul appears to be just a typical Big Guy, until we find out that he is a serial killer. He specifically chooses locations where women will be present and always hires female sidekicks so that, if his regular target isn't available, he can turn on his own teammate.

edited 23rd Dec '13 9:55:46 PM by TVRulezAgain

Alright, I've got a solid three examples tonight and one we should cut ASAP

The first is one Bidithal from The Malazan Book Of The Fallen

Who Is He?

Bidithal is an elderly High Mage in the rebellious army The Whirlwind. He fancies himself The Man Behind the Man to the Whirlwind and directs it in a number of nasty things. The worst aspect of Bidithal, however, is his own secret appetites. He's a serial rapist who preys on female children, before he gives them female circumcision (or straight up genital mutilation) so they'll never be able to feel sexual pleasure and keeps them as creepy little groupies.

What Has He done?

See below. He's a serial rapist of little girls and gives them genital mutilation. He also kidnaps the adopted daughter of the Whirlwind's leader, Felisin the Younger, rapes her and circumcises her as well, traumatizing her. His exact words is that he will “drink all the pleasure from your precious body, leaving naught but bitterness, naught but dead places within."

It's probably the darkest, most depraved act in Malazan.

Excuses or Heinous Standard?

Here's the more difficult bar. Let me say Bidithal has no excuse. He's a sick fuck and that's it. The distinction, though, is there are plenty other rapists (not of children), but most of them were raised in cultures where this is acceptable, even glorified. Bidithal's culture actually sees what he does as utterly horrific, so he's going against the grain of what's acceptable. Everyone around him hates the guy but they view him as too powerful to oppose, or too useful to dispose of for the Whirlwind. Felisin the Younger even begs one friend not to tell her mother as Felisin the Elder needs Bidithal's power and guidance.

Malazan is a dark world. Lots of things get destroyed, entire continents get razed, and there's an empire that specializes in cannibalism on its victims. There are instances of rape and one guy plotting to sell a few kids into sex slavery, but

Bidithal stands alone in this awfulness here. He's a serial rapist of kids (the others aren't), all to destroy their innocence and direct the Whirlwind to be more monstrous and destructive on whatever it encounters. He circumcises them and rapes a girl every night. The narrative also has more hatred for Bidithal than pretty much anyone else. Everyone loathes him, but can't do anything for his position and personal power. When this falls away he gets a Karmic Death of a barbarian who at that point had actually been a rapist (Being from one of those aforementioned cultures) has a truly epic Even Evil Has Standards moments and castrates Bidithal his his bare hands before stuffing it down his throat to choke to death on.

So, yeah, I don't think the heinous standard is an issue. It's a genuinely unique crime, and he's the biggest individual rapist, especially of children. Not that anyone's counting, but he likely has a bigger rape count than entire armies

Next two...

Harm.

Who Is He?

Harm is a teenaged supervillain from the Young Justice series, and a pretty chilling villain for a guy who appeared so briefly. Harm, or Billy, was an orphan adopted by a loving foster couple with a daughter named Greta. Billy, however, murdered her in order to obtain dark powers from a demon (she was a sacrifice), and then he proceeded to terrorize his parents, mentally tormenting them and holding them in terrified thrall while he became an open super villain with schemes to become the world's top murderer.

What Does He Do?

Harm actually begins targeting kid heroes as 'practice.' He aims to murder all of young Justice, and friends, family, etc, so he can work his way up to big leagues. He likes to murder other people as practice as well. After his first arc, his father surprises him by shooting him and killing him for all he's done. As a result, Harm later returns as spirit. He then possesses his adopted father, now on death row for the murder, and uses him to commit a variety of other atrocities with special emphasis on mentally torturing his sister Greta, now the ghostly heroine Secret.

Heinous Standard and excuse?

No excuse. NONE. He's just an evil little scumbag. Heinous Standard...honestly, for such a lighthearted series, he clears it. He's a murderer, torturer, manipulator and sadist who murdered his kid sister just to get demonic power and sought to target child heroes just for practice. Never mind the Mind Rape or Demonic Possession on his own parents, trying to murder everyone in his path and just the end goal of being "world's top murderer."

I stress again, Young Justice was a lighthearted comedy series, and Harm was played dead serious. Unlike his counterpart on the animated show who genuinely loved his sister and holds actual remorse, this Harm hated Greta as a nuisance and killed her very happily. He relishes the chance to fuck with her head even after death.

And the final one...

Belaric Marcosa

Who Is He And What Does He Do?

one example of Aristocrats Are Evil from the 70s Marvel horror series Werewolf by Night about a man cursed with lycanthropy and was forced to fight horrible monsters while protecting others from his dark nature on the full moon. Marcosa in life was a nasty aristocrat who'd invite the unsuspecting to his mansion where he'd enact dark spells to Mind Rape them and drive them into acts of lewd depravity before he sucked their life force out and had them kill one another for his amusement (shown in flashbacks).He also stole their souls to torment them further.

In present, he lures our heroes to his mansion so he can do the same to them. He mentally tortures them and tries to force them to kill one another to hurt them more, all the while aiming to steal their lives and torment the ones whose souls he's already stolen.

Heinous Standard and Excuse?

He wants to return to life and keep on killing and torturing people. Not the best excuse I think. For the heinous standard? He's...a rapist (forcing victims to sleep with one another in humiliating ways), a soul-stealer, a murderer, a mind rapist, a manipulator who makes friends kill one another and an evil bastard all around. He's the worst villain in Werewolf by Night and he stands out in any 70s Bronze Age Of Comics story.

So here we have a child rapist and genital mutilator a sadistic serial killer and an evil satanist aristocrat who hits every crime in the book.

edited 23rd Dec '13 11:32:58 PM by Lightysnake

Bidithal, Harm, and Belaric. All three qualify.

edited 23rd Dec '13 11:34:50 PM by SuperSaiyaMan

Gonna say yes on Harm, and probable yes on the guy from Werewolf by Night. On Bidithal, I don't know. Lightysnake makes a convincing argument, but Malazan's is so filled with horrific people doing godawful things that I just don't know if even he manages to stand out enough. It's a series drenched in emo and heinousness. I'm gonna have to think on that one.

edited 23rd Dec '13 11:33:54 PM by AmbarSonofDeshar

Like I said, here's an issue I have with that argument. Malazan's full of people doing horrible things, but Bidithal is a stand-out in universe. Child rape, if I may opine, is a particularly heinous and unique crime. Even moreso when genital mutilation is factored into the mix. And way more when the guy is a serial child rapist who has a child per night.

Malazan is a dark place, but even in-universe this is seen as something quite nightmarish and hideous. Bidithal has no excuse for his actions, not even "I was raised in a culture where this is awesome", and children being raped is pretty much not touched on for much of the series, minus a small bit when a guy plans to sell kids into sex slavery. But even with that, that's bad but nothing next to the legions of kids Bidithal has abused. There's no surplus of genital mutilating child rapists in Malazan, so the uniqueness of the crime makes Bidithal stand out enormously.

My writeup for my fanfic's Complete Monster:

Tobi from War Of The Biju is the Big Bad and the Man Behind the Man of Nagato. Before convincing Nagato to create Akatsuki, he was Madara Uchiha's Dragon. Tobi was originally from a sect of the Uchiha Clan who rejected the truce between the Uchiha and Senju that formed Konoha...and its Sole Survivor. Why? He murdered them all, including his parents, younger siblings, and even lover so there was no competition. When Madara gave his final orders, preparing to die in his sleep...Tobi smothered him to assume the role. One of the things that stands out is how he framed the Uchiha Clan: while dueling Minato the Yondaime Hokage, he simultaneously led the Uchiha Clan on a wild goose chase, merging with the clone he used right after the control of Kurama, the Nine-Tailed Demon Fox. All so the Uchiha would be away right as Kurama got big Sharingan's in his eyes when the clan was gone right in front of the entire Konoha leadership. Then years later when after the Uchiha Clan began working amicably with the Village again he reappeared and blackmailed Fugaku Uchiha...after literally mind raping several women to death. All so he could get the Uchiha's support for the coup. Which he then helped Itachi put down. Finally he starts the most destructive War in the entire history of the Five Great Nations. Seeing everything but a big game to kill as many people as possible, Tobi lacks anything and everything that would make him sympathetic.

to all 3 of Lighty's. Jesus, Bidithal...Also, didn't you say there was one cut?

edited 24th Dec '13 1:12:29 AM by ACW

Oh, yes, thank you, ACW:

• Complete Monster: Stefan and Vladimir, the Romanian vampires who appeared in Breaking Dawn. Long before the start of the series, they reigned as tyrants over parts of Europe (or maybe Egypt, in keeping with the historical in-jokes), keeping hundreds of humans around as slaves and/or cattle, and demanding tributes of blood and slaves from the surrounding lands. During the time the series takes place, they remain very resentful of the Volturi for overthrowing them and depriving them of the aforementioned lifestyle, and agree to help the Cullens only because of the chance that the Volturi will be weakened in the coming events.

Give me permission to burn this. PLEASE.

Why should that be burned?

Because neithr do a thing onscreen.

Oh, OK. Go p53^note read:Remove it on it then.

edited 24th Dec '13 2:06:37 AM by SeptimusHeap

Bidithal...why does he mutilate his victims? For the Evulz? As for that Breaking Dawn entry...Stephenie Meyer is the TRUE CM, for making vampires emo

X Men monsters to be locked sometime today.

Voting yes on Harm, Marcosa, and Bidithal. Bidithal I was a little unsure of due to how dark his work sounds but I think you make a good point about the uniqueness of his crimes. Also voting to cut the examples from Twilight.

edited 24th Dec '13 6:39:33 AM by TommyFresh

I'm going to vote yes for Bidithal, Harm, and Belaric, voting cut on the twilight examples. Man, that Bidithal is a sick fuck.

You're my hero.

edited 24th Dec '13 8:43:39 AM by Erivale

• Does the Mephiles writeup at Complete Monster Sonic The Hedgehog look good? Seems like somewhat of a GDV...
• The Castlevania villain: "..sacrifice the lives of 100 children. I slew my own child to attain this prize of eternal life!" Anyone know if there's a flashback? Otherwise, I'd say probably cut that.
• Sonic comic writeups: Look good?
• For Troy Hicks: I'll try and do some research (mainly: How much of his pre-comic actions are Offscreen Villainy?).

ACW, why are you always doubtful?