Subpages cleanup: Complete Monster

I edited the Complete Monster entry on the TheLegendOfKorra page, just put some events in spoiler tags, such as Unalaq threatening to destroy Jinora's spirit, as well as everything to do with him and Vaatu. I also just fixed up a spelling error with Raava, and well, I also added a comparison between him and Ozai of the first series, saying that Unalaq has probably bested Ozai in terms of depravity and villainous threat. If that's irrelevant however, I apologize.

edited 19th Nov '13 10:10:13 AM by xVanitas

Another Bible-related entry on The Binding of Isaac:

• Complete Monster: Isaac's mom, for unquestioningly obeying God when He told her to murder her own son. Curiously, God Himself is not even a villain, even if He is Old Testament. This is in defiance of other anti-fundamentalist fiction.
  • Plus the years of horrific child abuse leading up to it. Yeesh.

Also, for the Arkham series, at the bottom of this post, does any of the Arkham Unhinged stuff I listed look like it should be mentioned in Joker's entry?

edited 19th Nov '13 11:49:11 AM by TVRulezAgain

Kill that thing. If she's doing it on God's orders, she's just doing his bidding.

That is completely irrelevant. Unless of course you are trying to make an argument for Ozai being cut, in which case hey, go for it. I'm reverting the entry. Kindly don't do that again.

Cut that. The onus is on God, not the mother.

edited 19th Nov '13 10:40:55 AM by AmbarSonofDeshar

Is it? If the mother unquestionably did it, she may be a contender.

Isn't the Binding of Isaac an Excuse Plot sort of game?

On the Dumbledore's (apparently that's in my phone's spellcheck!) Army examples, would it be out of line to pothole to Ron the Death Eater when noting the difference between the canon characters? Hamburger Time, I admit I don't like it either, though more because the author has a history of scamming money out of their fanbase (yes, sometimes fanfiction can have it's own fanbase).

edited 19th Nov '13 12:17:41 PM by Crowley

Iron Man Armored Adventures:

• Xin Zhang. Cut
• Mister Fix. Cut
• Justine Hammer. Keep

That's the impression I was getting.

I watched both seasons of the show, so I can say with certainty that Hammer is the only keep.

edited 5th Jan '14 10:35:26 AM by VeryMelon

Would it be possible for you to do one of the big writeups to show why he's a keep? The current entry doesn't really tell me much.

On the mother, well while she may have done it on God's orders I think she could qualify if she enjoyed it, like Conal Cochran from Halloween 3 for example, he was doing it all as a part of his beliefs "In the end we don't decide these things, the planets do, they're in alingment and it's time again", but he still counts because he enjoyed it with no remorse "I do love a good joke, and this is the best ever, a joke on the children".

Yeah, but once you've got actual deities with the ability to obliterate cities giving the orders, you're reaching the point where the moral agency of the people involved gets a little iffy.

Though wouldn't God from the video game count as he's basically asking her to kill her son, and it seems like He really meant it?

Actualy, Iv been wondering, can a chacter be forced to do all the evil things they do by somone else and still count if they make it clear they feel absolutly no remorse and actualy enjoy being forced to commit attrocities (they were forced to kill a bunch of people and would have been killed if they refused, but took pleasure in it all, even laughing about it)?

edited 19th Nov '13 5:33:36 PM by bobg

As long as they weren't mentally forced into being as terrible as that, of course. It's the perpetrator's choices that makes him a monster.

Depends on how the work portrays Just Following Orders, I guess. Usually the less sympathetic forms of that character do plenty of bad things on their own time, though.

Anyway, like I said earlier, I'm pretty sure the premise is just an excuse for surreal visuals and Nintendo Hard gameplay. The more overriding issue is if there's enough actual plot.

edited 19th Nov '13 5:51:28 PM by Crowley

Battle Arena Toshinden

• Complete Monster: Abel/Veil is implied to be one, if the backstory of the game is anything to go by. Let's make a resume: he ordered the death of David's family (or did the job himself), locked the poor kid in an orphanage where he was constantly abused, tried to sacrifice him to Agon Teos when he turned 15, and has sacrificed many pure-hearted warriors and martial artists to his god and to enhance his own underlings.
  • Genma from Toshinden 4 is implied to be one as well. His backstory explains that because he had fully mastered dark magic and gained the secret of immortality, he no longer had a conscience and that all of his human feelings and emotions were completely destroyed. Because of this, Genma had began to kidnap innocent children from around the world so that he could brainwash and train them as murderers to do his bidding, Miyabi being one of his kidnapped/brainwashed victims. It is also implied that Genma had fought and killed Chaos from within a past fight so that he could take the Shield of Genbu, enabling him to learn of its unfathomable power and thus, he began to go after the other Sacred Arms as well.

Implied? As in not onscreen?

Beyond Good & Evil

• Complete Monster: Two characters qualify.
  • General Kehck. Whereas all the other Alpha Section soldiers appear to be corrupted caricatures of the men they once were, he looks completely healthy, and he's still working for the near-omnicidal DomZ Priest; he joined willingly, fully knowing what would entail afterward.
  • The DomZ Priest. He's draining the life energy from a planetary population just so HE could live longer, and he has gall to call them "miserable sacrifices".

This doesn't explain General Kehck's deeds.

YMMV/Battlezone1998

• General Armand Braddock. He made the Scions what they are, then tried to exterminate them and then take over Earth. You will come to hate this man.

Stub.

Bookworm Adventures

• Complete Monster: Codex. He manipulated Lex from the start, kidnapping Cassandra in order to trick him into entering various books so that he could create and enslave an army of book characters (most likely due to a heavy amount of zeal). His fate, trapped inside the Magic Pen, is apparently a Fate Worse than Death and in essence well deserved.
  • The sequel has Bigger Brother, who attempts to destroy the Magic Library simply because he wants to continue ruling the future, and when this fails he attempts to wipe out all of existence simply because he cannot have it.

How is trying to destroy the Magic Library heinous?

Having played The Binding of Isaac, I can say that there is not enough definitive plot or characterization to accuse anyone of being a Complete Monster. Mom's sanity and the entire plot is constantly debated, and there are many arguments over whether or not God really did have Mom try to sacrifice Isaac and if Mom simply thought she heard God's voice as her insanity grew. To make matters worse, a later patch added Satan as a True Final Boss, leading people to wonder whether of not he had an impact on anything despite not appearing in either of the plot-centric scenes.

edited 19th Nov '13 6:23:52 PM by finalsurvivor1

Delete all but Beyond Good and Evil

Both of them count. Hey, Exister, wanna help with the honors there?

Sure I can help there.

Who are the DomZ Priest and General Kehck?

• The DomZ Priest is the Big Bad of the game and the leader of the DomZ aliens which are currently invading the planet of Hyllis and abducting its people. Throughout most of the story what exactly happens to those abducted is a mystery, at the game's end it's revealed that he's been sucking them dry of all their fluids to prolong his own life. Apparently he's been doing this for centuries across multiple planets.

• General Kehck is the leader of the Alpha Sections. Seemingly the military group meant to protect Hyllis against the DomZ, in actuality Kehck and his men work for the DomZ, aiding in and covering up their abductions, all while Kehck personally handles the propaganda machine to make it seem like his military group are benevolent saviors of the planet and the Iris Network are evil terrorists. Like his boss, Kehck is also participating in killing people to steal their life forces. While it's unknown if Kehck has been in control of the Alpha Section since it's beginnings, the Alpha Section itself has been around for a long time, having aided the DomZ in their conquest of hundreds of planets.

What do they do?

• As said earlier, the DomZ Priest and General Kehck are the leaders of the scheme to abduct and kill people to keep themselves alive longer. The process of how it works isn't gone into great detail, but it is also revealed that people who join the Alpha Sections are gradually turned into grotesque monstrous entities barely appearing human anymore. For most of the game the Priest merely appears in cryptic visions communicating with the game's heroine, Jade, for unknown reasons. His only real Kick the Dog moment is killing the man in charge of their Nutri-Pills operation when they discover Jade snooping around. He then uses the guy's lifeforce to create a monster to kill Jade. Kehck mostly handles the propaganda machine, spinning tails of Jade attempts to expose the truth as terrorist actions against Hyllis's saviors. Kehck doesn't really cross any big lines until near the end of the game when he kidnaps all of the war orphans that Jade has been taking care and hands them over as food to his boss just to spite and demoralize her. He and the Priest also hook her Honorary Uncle, Pey'j, into a torture device for three weeks. Eventually this kills Pey'j, with him only managing to survive due to Jade unknowingly bringing him back to life with her newly manifested miraculous healing powers.

Do they have any Freudian Excuse or redeeming qualities?

• For Kehck no, for the DomZ Priest it’s a bit trickier. It's revealed near the end of the game that Jade is the source of the Priest’s power, stolen from him and given human form in the hopes of destroying him. The Priest has only kept himself alive by wiping out and feeding on entire planets. So apparently he needs to do what he's doing, otherwise he'll die. It's kind of tricky for me to support the Priest since a lot of the details on him are vague. In the game, since so little is known about him and we never really get any insight into who he is or what he wants aside from survival, he comes off, to me, as a Generic Doomsday Villain. Kehck is easier for me to lend my support to. While we don’t know much about his past, in the present he comes off as just a man willing to sell out his planet to expand his life. While the Priest arguably needs to do what he's doing to survive, Kehck's just some guy wanting to live a bit longer. Unlike his underlings who have been turned into monstrous beings, so presumably have their agency impaired, Kehck appears entirely human and uncorrupted. In fact, this makes him worse since he knows the fate of those who sign up under him but encourages people to join the Alpha Sections to get new mooks. He also seems to be on fairly equal footing with the Priest as during their exchange he talks about how the Priest needs him as much as he needs the Priest. At the time of his death he also reveals a streak of petty cruelty with what he does to Pey’j and the orphans; he also shows off some traits of Card Carrying Villainy with his final words being a hope that the “Angels of Darkness will rise to glory.”

So in short, Kehck, I’d say yes, DomZ Priest, leaning no.

edited 19th Nov '13 10:06:51 PM by OccasionalExister

That's pretty much what I think of the game as well. The priest is just too doubtful, and requires a bit of speculating to figure out. The general fits.

edited 19th Nov '13 10:24:01 PM by AnotherDuck

Going off of what you said here, I'm going to concur. The general stays, the priest goes.

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Better Days

• Complete Monster: Muhammed al-Aziz, a Black Nationalist who is a serial murderer and rapist. He's been wanted by the government since 1968. What really puts him on this list is his abuse of his children, as well as being a child molester who rapes Nikki, his own daughter. When he gets killed in an FBI raid, Nikki's only response is "good".

Hmm. This guys sounds awful.

I never really followed the comic, but how much of what's listed is on-screen? Going solely by that description, a lot of his deeds sound like they're Offstage Villainy.

edited 20th Nov '13 12:26:21 AM by Nohbody