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During the investigation of recent hollers in the Complete Monster thread, it's become apparent to the staff that an insular, unfriendly culture has evolved in the Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard threads that is causing problems.

Specific issues include:

  • Overzealous hollers on tropers who come into the threads without being familiar with all the rules and traditions of the tropes. And when they are familiar with said rules and traditions, they get accused (with little evidence) of being ban evaders.
  • A few tropers in the thread habitually engage in snotty, impolite mini-modding. There are also regular complaints about excessive, offtopic "socializing" posts.
  • Many many thread regulars barely post/edit anywhere else, making the threads look like they are divorced from the rest of TV Tropes.
  • Following that, there are often complaints about the threads and their regulars violating wiki rules, such as on indexing, crosswicking, example context and example categorization. Some folks are working on resolving the issues, but...
  • Often moderator action against thread regulars leads to a lot of participants suddenly showing up in the moderation threads to protest and speak on their behalf, like a clique.

It is not a super high level problem, but it has been going on for years and we cannot ignore it any longer. There will be a thread in Wiki Talk to discuss the problem; in the meantime there is a moratorium on further Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard example discussion until we have gotten this sorted out.

Update: The new threads have been made and can be found here:

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Complete Monster Cleanup Thread

Please see the Frequently Asked Questions and Common Requests List before suggesting any new entries for this trope.

IMPORTANT: To avoid a holler to the mods, please see here for the earliest date a work can be discussed, (usually two weeks from the US release), as well as who's reserved discussion.

When voting, you must specify the candidate(s). No blanket votes (i.e. "[tup] to everyone I missed").

No plagiarism: It's fair to source things, but an effortpost must be your own work and not lifted wholesale from another source.

We don't care what other sites think about a character being a Complete Monster. We judge this trope by our own criteria. Repeatedly attempting to bring up other sites will earn a suspension.

What is the Work

Here you briefly describe the work in question and explain any important setting details. Don't assume that everyone is familiar with the work in question.

Who is the Candidate and What have they Done?

This will be the main portion of the Effort Post. Here you list all of the crimes committed by the candidate. For candidates with longer rap sheets, keep the list to their most important and heinous crimes, we don't need to hear about every time they decide to do something minor or petty.

Do they have any Mitigating Factors or Freudian Excuse?

Here you discuss any potential redeeming or sympathetic features the character has, the character's Freudian Excuse if they have one, as well as any other potential mitigating factors like Offscreen Villainy or questions of moral agency. Try to present these as objectively as possible by presenting any evidence that may support or refute the mitigating factors.

Do they meet the Heinousness Standard?

Here you compare the actions of the Candidate to other character actions in the story in order to determine if they stand out or not. Remember that all characters, not just other villains, contribute to the Heinousness Standard

Final Verdict?

Simply state whether or not you think the character counts or not.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Aug 31st 2023 at 4:14:10 AM

Scraggle Since: Nov, 2012 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#143751: Jan 12th 2019 at 5:55:09 PM

Yea to Malevolyn

Okay, effortpost today and a cut. I'll get the latter out of the way first... everyone remember Welkin Weasels? Good. Here's our troublesome entry:

  • The vicious fox Magellan, from Thunder Oak, is feared and dreaded throughout Welkin for his murderous ways. A sadist possessed of a long list of bodies and a fondness for snares for how slowly they choke out the victim, Magellan truly came into his own upon assassinating the noble King Redfur, tossing Welkin into complete chaos and allowing Redfur's evil brother Prince Poynt to come into power and establish a brutal slave regime. Magellan takes advantage of the chaos by rallying up a band of psychopaths and rogues and launching a campaign of slaughter throughout Welkin to jolly himself, pillaging and robbing even the poorest they could find and massacring entire communities worth of innocents. Once allowed to come back into Welkin from his banishment under contract by Prince Poynt to murder the rebel outlaws Sylver and his gang, Magellan immediately returns to old ways by cruelly murdering Sylver's friend Dredless—whose brother he had killed prior during his previous rampage—and cruelly taunting Sylver about it. Reviled even by the corrupt rulers of Welkin whom he indirectly allowed to take power in the first place, Magellan is tempered by no altruistic or humorous traits in a series rife with villains with the same.

Now... reviewing the series, there's a lot here that's just inaccurate at first glance. The bounty hunter stuff? Is accurate. Assassinating Redfur isn't because the circumstances of the King's death are actually a mystery. The novel posits Magellan could have killed Redfur, yes, but it also posits that Poynt could have assassinated him, or Torca Marda could have done it, so on, so forth. Which leaves him with what he does during the chaos of that, which... again, is accurate, but it's also Offstage Villainy. It's brought up for a paragraph or two in the backstory and never again.

Honestly, the only thing could say to defend Magellan, at this point, is the pattern he sets. We do receive confirmation he's a bounty hunter who murders a lot of people, we do know Dredless' brother was among the casualties during his days as a rampaging bandit and that's his driving motivation, and we do see him sadistically murder Dredless while making the heroes watch.

With that said? I don't think it's enough. Too much is offscreen in comparison to characters like Torca Marda and Flaggatis who are mass murderers without the barrier of it having happened in the backstory. With that in mind, I'm vouching we cut Magellan.

Thoughts?

Edited by Scraggle on Jan 12th 2019 at 6:57:00 AM

Lightysnake Since: May, 2010
#143752: Jan 12th 2019 at 5:58:02 PM

With that? I'll vouch for a cut.

KazuyaProta Shin Megami Tensei IV from A Industrial Farm Since: Jan, 2015 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Shin Megami Tensei IV
#143753: Jan 12th 2019 at 6:02:42 PM

So, this entry is on the The Tale of Despereaux page

  • Complete Monster: Boticelli Remorso is the cruel leader of the lower rat world. Believing the only true meaning of life is other people's suffering, he forces innocent mice, such as the protagonist, Despereaux, into incredibly one-sided gladiator-like games in a Colosseum, pitting them against a gigantic (to them) cat where the only outcome is being eaten and dying in front of a crowd of bloodthirsty rats. He despises Princess Pea for no apparent reason, and as such orders his hundreds of rats to eat her, trample her and cause her great pain. A detail throughout the movie that adds to Boticelli's status as a monster is the skulls and bones littered throughout Ratworld; it is made clear this is his and his subordinate's doing. Throughout all of these events, Boticelli is happy with it, because, as mentioned, he loves other people's suffering.

While the entry is fine...It needs a de-pothole. Too many ones for a 140 words entry.

I know Mah Stache proposed him, someone PM him to ask him to do it.

Watch me destroying my country
Kylotrope Barb(Its a thread joke you wouldn't get it) from Honolulu Hawaii Since: Apr, 2018
Barb(Its a thread joke you wouldn't get it)
#143754: Jan 12th 2019 at 6:04:17 PM

Mmm....He sets a small pattern and the forcing them to watch thing...I'll give a weak [tup] to keeping him

Things are really about to get Fun around here
lrrose Since: Jul, 2009
#143755: Jan 12th 2019 at 6:13:32 PM

[tup]Shadow Queen and Malevolyn

Cut Magellen

k410ren Since: Jan, 2016
#143756: Jan 12th 2019 at 6:14:22 PM

Would this work for a quote for Professor James Moriarty?

“Once we've concluded our business here... it's important you know... I shall endeavor to find the most creative of endings for the Doctor... and his Wife.”

"I'll show you the Dark Side." CM actors and kills
Bullman "Cool. Coolcoolcool." Since: Jun, 2018 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
G-Editor Since: Mar, 2015 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#143758: Jan 12th 2019 at 6:27:28 PM

[tup] to The Shadow Queen and Malevolyn

Cut Magellen

43110 (Striking Back) Relationship Status: Reincarnated romance
#143759: Jan 12th 2019 at 6:28:34 PM

Yes to Malevolyn, cut Magellan and honestly, cut the last sentence off that Boticelli’s entry.

11111001011 Since: Dec, 2018
papyru30 The wifi here sucks from South Dakota for school Since: Aug, 2016 Relationship Status: You cannot grasp the true form
The wifi here sucks
#143761: Jan 12th 2019 at 6:57:16 PM

I think this write-up from Apollo Justice: Ace Attorney need to be changed to include his murder of the client in question. I'm not sure where to incorporate this since the murder was after giving the poison to the artist but before the father died. Could I get some help?

  • Complete Monster: The seemingly-helpful mentor, Kristoph Gavin, is really one half of the diabolical duo to usher in "The Dark Age of the Law" by disbarring Phoenix Wright. Kristoph did this out of a petty grudge for Phoenix being chosen as a lawyer for a client instead of him, and so manipulates a shy artist and his own brother to enact his vengeance. Poisoning both the artist and her father, Kristoph intended for both to die, gloating to Apollo and Phoenix he knew their line of questioning would make her nervously bite her nails, where he had put the posion. Having started poisoning the artist when she was only twelve, Kristoph is happy to then sit back and watch her face conviction for her own father's murder committed by himself.

Hope your prepared for an unforgettable luncheon
Clown-Face Wild Child from Canada Since: Dec, 2015 Relationship Status: In another castle
Wild Child
#143762: Jan 12th 2019 at 7:27:28 PM

[tup]Malevolyn.

[tdown]Magellan.

Why so serious?
AdelePotter susie. from the worst timeline Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
susie.
#143763: Jan 12th 2019 at 7:43:25 PM

Here's my writeup for Melanie:

  • Melanie is a textbook sociopath with a complete Lack of Empathy, whose only joy comes in the suffering of others. She regularly emotionally abuses Embry, who is nothing but kind and devoted to her. She then begins cutting him with a knife during sex, but can't enjoy it because he heals up, leaving no scars. Soon, she goes on a killing spree, forcing Embry to be her accomplice, since the imprint means he'll do anything she says if it'd make her happy. She also orders him to rape at least two of their victims, and has him Eat the Evidence. When the rest of Embry's pack finally finds out what's happening, they're at a loss, since they know they have to put an end to Melanie's reign of terror, but they also know killing Melanie would destroy Embry. Finally, they attempt to offer a compromise, saying they'll leave Melanie be if she restricts herself to killing criminals. Melanie repays them by telling Embry the pack is endangering her, and convincing him to murder them all.

I've been here too long. Regretting choosing this screenname ten years ago.
11111001011 Since: Dec, 2018
#143764: Jan 12th 2019 at 8:00:04 PM

I just finished Season 1 of Dark Oracle....and so far, I still have yet to see any unambiguous qualifiers. Doyle is set up as a mysterious fellow, but by the end, he seems to genuinely have Omen's best interests at heart. Omen himself is sucked into the mirror at the end of Season 1, and is shown to be pretty nasty before then, but he hasn't really gone too far over the standard. Violet and Blaze are shown trying to break out and antagonizing the heroes, but I haven't seen their end game. Hopefully, Season 2 will change that.

AFreakyDude Since: Jul, 2015
#143765: Jan 12th 2019 at 8:00:06 PM

Has someone opened and voted on Douglas Carmody, aka the Bogeyman, from Power Pack?

Scraggle Since: Nov, 2012 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#143766: Jan 12th 2019 at 8:03:17 PM

Alright, I got another unique one for me tonight...

What's the setting?

So... I typically stray away from reading fanfiction, but this one was too good. Other Gods is a crossover between Coraline and the Cthulhu Mythos that piqued my interest and, imagine my surprise, is actually really good... incorporating the setting of Coraline into the setting of the larger Mythos, soon after Coraline outsmarts the Beldam and escapes the clutches of the Other World, the Beldam is visited by her master... who turns out to be the Great Old One Zoth-Ommog, which devours her and relays the information to its eldritch Outer God masters.

Coraline is soon taken away by her schoolteacher, one Mrs. Abra Alhazred, when she sees Coraline drawing a picture of the Beldam. Coraline is brought to an old man who reveals himself to be none other than an incredibly aged but still-living H.P. Lovecraft himself (and refreshingly enough, the fanfic makes a point to address his racism, too). Revealing that he and a few-dozen others are the only members of a secret order trying to find the Necronomicon to finally destroy the Great Old Ones, Coraline is wrapped up in a growing war. The Outer Gods, finally tired of humanity's activity on the Earth? Are set to wipe them out... and of course, their face and soul? Nyarlathotep.

Who is Nyarlathotep? What has he done?

The Crawling Chaos. The Nemesis of Humanity. The Man in White.

The most malevolent and sadistic of the Outer Gods, and the only one that's expressed much interest in humanity from the start, Nyarlathotep is as he always is... walking the earth through thousands of names, thousands of faces, prodding at humanity's affairs for shits and giggles. Through his wicked design, almost every atrocity on the face of the Earth has been committed; the sacking, rape and massacre of Rome, the invention of the atom bomb, the grueling slavery that built the pyramids, and so much more uncounted. Nyarlathotep's quite directly interested in seeing any building threat the humans posed decidedly quashed. In the second chapter of the story? In the body of one of his favored avatars, the body of a possessed, tall man in white donned with soulless black sunglasses and a straight razor, Nyarlathotep hunts a member of the order, destroying his mind with the visage of his true form before killing him.

Lord of the sleeping Old Ones, Nyarlathotep returns to Earth to seek out Coraline as punishment for slaying one of his servants, and comes to Ashland, torturing a clerk to death to gain information to the location of the Pink Palace and tracking down the black cat that helped Coraline... which is actually an Elder God, Ulthar, appointed to defend the Great Old Ones and having remained their staunchest enemy in affairs like Coraline's. Nyarlathotep manages to defeat him and captures him, keeping him to brutally torture his soul into an inch of its life before casting him into the abyss (he gets better!). Finally tracking down the Pink Palace, Nyarlathotep murders Coraline's parents while spitefully promising them Coraline is next and pursues Coraline to Newport, loosing a shoggoth to devour a house full of people and trying to murder Coraline and her new allies in the order. Nyarlathotep kills one of them, but is stopped and banished for a month from Earth with Kadath sand... humiliated, Nyarlathotep decides enough is enough. Time to unseal the Great Old Ones.

Nyarlathotep unseals all the Great Old Ones at once, and commands them to ravage the Earth and slaughter all humanity, whereupon he'll carve his vengeance into whatever remnants crawl out of the debris. Cthulhu, Cthuga, Ithaqua (and Y'glonac... which, if you remember my effortpost for it, is a very very bad thing) storm across the world with their servants, resulting in entire cities slaughtered and countless millions dying right off the bat. A massive war is plunged into the Earth as humanity tries to fight back, with three billion around the world eventually dying as Nyarlathotep gleefully watches. Nyarlathotep eventually looses Cthulhu on Oregon to destroy Ashland and everything in his way getting there to finally stop Coraline and her new allies... as the war drags on, Nyarlathotep decides to get serious, possessing Coraline's friend Wybie and using him to shoot Abra Alhazred dead.

At this point, though... due to circumstances involving a power-up from the Necronomicon, whose malevolent soul Coraline conquered? She can fight back. A pitched final battle ensues, Nyarlathotep cruelly mocking Coraline about how he murdered her parents, but that just motivates her to spear him in the soul and utterly destroy every mental defense he has, annihilating him in every existing form. Before he goes, though... Nyarlathotep spitefully sends a message to Yog-Sothoth, greatest of the Outer Gods, to come upon Earth and snuff it out once and for all as a last act of spite.

Thankfully? That doesn't pan out. Sayonara, Crawling Chaos.

Any mitigating factors?

It's Nyarlathotep, murders billions, so-and-so. Now, the story does take a more Clark Ashton Smith kind of route to how it writes the Great Old Ones/Outer Gods and the Elder Gods particularly, meaning the former are generally evil and the latter are good. Now, the Old Ones and Outer Gods collectively are nasty, but Nyarlathotep is still the worst of them. He's the cause of all suffering in the story.

Conclusion?

Well, what say we to probably the first and only time I'll ever pluck one of these candidates out of a medium I barely peruse?

Thoughts?

Edited by Scraggle on Jan 12th 2019 at 9:11:33 AM

Lightysnake Since: May, 2010
#143767: Jan 12th 2019 at 8:04:46 PM

And a yes there.

I can check out Carmody

Edited by Lightysnake on Jan 12th 2019 at 8:05:38 AM

Bullman "Cool. Coolcoolcool." Since: Jun, 2018 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
"Cool. Coolcoolcool."
#143768: Jan 12th 2019 at 8:14:38 PM

Yes to Nyarlathotep. That story sounds really cool.

Edited by Bullman on Jan 12th 2019 at 11:18:09 AM

Fan-Preferred Couple cleanup thread
PolarPhantom Since: Jun, 2012
#143769: Jan 12th 2019 at 8:21:21 PM

[tup] Augustus Badmanium and Nyarly.

therealjackieboy Ultimate Moral Compass from Austin, TX Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
Ultimate Moral Compass
#143771: Jan 12th 2019 at 8:25:03 PM

[tup] Good ol’ Nyarly.

"No running in the halls!"
KazuyaProta Shin Megami Tensei IV from A Industrial Farm Since: Jan, 2015 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
erazor0707 The Unknown Unknown from The Infinitude of Meh Since: Dec, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
The Unknown Unknown
#143773: Jan 12th 2019 at 8:28:15 PM

>Coraline + Cthulu Mythos

Sign me the hell up.

Yes to Nyarly.

A cruel, sick joke is still a joke, and sometimes all you can do is laugh.
TheImmortalAngelNewton The MILF Virus Since: Aug, 2015 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
The MILF Virus
#143774: Jan 12th 2019 at 8:52:01 PM

[tup] All candidates I missed.

"Are you the devil?" "Don't compare to me to those small fry" - Mir
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Lizzid people!

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