Complete Monster Proposal Thread

I know we USED to do that, but I'd recommend against that.

Yes to the Hotel; sure to Goulet.

What is the work? Resonance Days, a Madoka Magica fanfic set in an afterlife where all Magical Girls and Witches go after their death, although witches lose their memories.

The story follows Kyoko Sakura and Oktavia von Seckendorff (formerly Sayaka Miki) as they try to adjust and explore this new worls.

Who is the candidate and what have they done?

Reibey, an incubator (same species as Kyubey) who was banished to said afterlife because the other incubators consider his capacity to feel emotion to be a mental illness, and also he's so insufferable even they don't want to deal with him.

In the afterlife, Reibey established the Void Walkers faction, a faction of magical girls who are tired of living, think they're in Hell/Limbo, or just want out for whatever reason. Through the puppeet queen Oblivion, Reibey promises those who serve him best that they will get the release they yearn for.

Since then, the Void Walkers have conquered large swaths of the world, waging a Forever War against The Alliance. Most of Reibey's followers are terrified of him, as he brutally punishes failure, and you can't even die to end it. Leaving is worse, however, as it would mean giving up your one shot at a true death.

In reality, the salvation Reibey offers is a lie. Neither he nor his puppet queen Oblivion can offer true death. In reality, Reibey merely has a way to destroy their bodies, leaving their souls disembodied and stored in a Soul Jar for use in his own mysterious plans, which is not confirmed yet but implied to be the permanent destruction of the afterlife.

The soul jar also contains the shades of the heroes' previous incarnations (timeloop schenaniganz, long story), which he has enslaved and consults for information. They are not happy.

Any redeeming qualities? Freudian Excuse?

As mentioned, Reibey was essentially Reassigned to Antarctica by the other incubators, because Kyubey is a real piece of shit. While he was probably not super sane to begin with, being exiled to a realm where time moves AGONIZINGLY slow (~one month of real world time to seven years of afterlife time), where the only company is witches and magical girls, most of which hate him for being an Incubator, and knowing they did this for the crime of having emotions cannot have done wonders for his mental state.

From what little we know of the first Oblivion (currently on number 6), she did really have the ability to destroy souls, and she worked with Reibey of her own volition, so the faction he leads did at least start out with good motives.

Are they bad enough?

While the setting is full of bastards, I believe that Reibey is the worst. Any other monster is either working for him, replicating his thing on a smaller scale, or simple killers limited in scale. Reibey leads a cult that controls a large part of the world, made up of suicidally depressed teenagers whom he controls by offering them the chance to die, and punishment when they fail.

He's a sadist who takes enjoyment in punishing his followers, and likes to think about how the souls he has imprisoned are forced to serve him against his will and have no hope of ever getting their bodies back. He's a hypocrite who looks down on the childish and emotional humans he manipulates but is emotional, petty, and prone to tantrums himdelf. He has no issue hurting children, be they the mentally underdeveloped Nikki whom he tortures for failure, the 14 to 16 year old heroes, or the 11 year old he has installed as his latest puppet queen. He was rude to Elsa Maria who is my babygirl and deserves the world.

While all of this is done by other characters (dockgauts are sadists, Lily brainwashes her followers, the Madam runs a slave ring), none do it on the vast scale that Reibey does.

The only characters I think who can exceed him in villainy are the Incubators, but they hardly factor into the story as more than Greater-Scope Villain, and have the excuse of being Amoral and emotionless. Reibey has the capacity for compassion and love, he's just a jackass.

Final verdict

Reibey is a cultleader who's cult is based on manipulating suicidal teens. While his goals are hitherto not completely known, the fact that he has done all of this with express cruelty and even in private moments expresses nothing but disdain for the girls he manipulates, torments, and enslaves makes it clear that his common nickname of The Rat is very accurate, if insufficient to describe the depths of what a complete monster he is.

Sorry for the spelling errors, Im typing on my phone in an airport at 2115

Overlook Hotel. I remember E Ping a fanfic version of it alongside a fanfic version of Rose with no redeeming qualities years ago, funny that its main film counterpart would end up counting years later. (Though Rose is still only a keeper in the fanfic and not in the book/film for pretty obvious reasons.)

Infinata, Watts, Kamala, Organist, Dobbs, Warlord, Eald'narche, Bryce, Pyro, Dancer, Vanitas, Zamon, Denson, Tigellinus, Sonny, Simons, Umayyah, Tong, Hollander, Zulbanides, Priest, Marshall, Coy, Upton, Andy, Donnie, Bleylock, Overlook and Goulet

Fantasmo, Lord, Blackbeard, Nero, Nemesis and Stalker

As for Reibey, the fic last updated on the 25th and it sounds like he's still an active player so I say wait and see for now. However, you can reserve the fic when it does conclude.

Been following the fic myself and was waiting for it to finish before proposing him, so yeah, please wait until the fic is over.

Hey everyone, just finished Like A Dragon: Ishin, pretty great game and I glad it lived up to the expectations I had for it, especially since I was really excited for it to finally come to America. I'm waiting for Awesomekid to finish the game as well before we discuss any potential keepers, but feel free to PM me about it.

Yeah, I tend to be more generous when it comes to when it's okay to propose somebody from an ongoing work than some people, but Reibey definitely needs to be postponed. The effortpost literally talks about how his motive has yet to be confirmed.

FWIW, I'd advise against any April Fool's proposals. Some of the past ones were genuinely funny but their existence also went hand-in-hand with the 'social thread' aspect the mods want dialed back down.

That being said, I remember Lily the fairy, an Arc Villain from the same fic who has long been defeated, to be a good potential candidate, so while I would prefer for the fic to be completed in case something about her comes up later, I feel like she would be better to propose at this time.

Like, to celebrate tomorrow I would advise anyone to just make a genuine proposal about a Monster Clown or something.

Edited by MasterN on Mar 31st 2023 at 9:08:44 AM

Talked this one over with Ravok, Riley and Star….

What's the work?

The Youtube channel The Stupendium run by nonbinary singer Greg Holgate / the Stupendium. A music channel where they produce a number of excellent songs, typically based on video games.

Today we have a special case though! As we are going to be looking over a collaboration between Holgate and another singer with a similar theme, Dan Bull.

The song 'End of the Line' is based on the video game Choo-Choo Charles, the game itself is a damn fun Indie Game based on dark parodies of Thomas the Tank engine. You go to a mysterious island being haunted by the demonic spider train 'Choo Choo Charles'. As well as the buisnessman Warren Charles III and his cult.

But onto the song proper? These 2

Who are the Cultists / Conductor and Stationmaster?

Either a Composite Character of the numerous cultists in the game, or a pair of particularly nasty ones running their own tiny operation; the duo are a a Conductor and Stationmaster who are implied to work for Warren. They are a hammy pair of sociopaths who were part of the group that unwittingly released Charles. The 2 have a special way of avoiding being eaten by the beast, they struck a deal with him. They would kidnap locals from the island and then, at 'tea time' they would feed them to Charles.

They have apparently done this for quite a while, bringing up some of their former victims as they chase and capture a new one. They tie him up and explain his fate before seemingly giving him to Charles for death.

In both versions of the Outro, it ends the same. One member of the duo seems to snap out of a daydream, remarking on the 'strange dream', hinting that the events of the song were All Just a Dream….and then this is disproven. As the man reading the newspaper in the intro is picked to be the newest sacrifice. With them having tied him up and leaving him with a sign saying 'For Charles'.

They then presumably continue to do this.

Are they bad enough?

Initially I was a little concerned with Offscreen Villainy. And if we didn't have those updates a couple years back that would probably be an issue. But with them? I think their is handily enough for them. Pretty much the whole song we explicitly see and hear about them vividly describing their operation and how destructive Charles is. They are established to do this regularly, having a special 'tea time' arrangement where they give a victim to Charles. And most importantly? They also give some descriptions of a few of their previous victims.

"You might say we’ve got a loco motive To provide the train with a load of groceries Locally sourced from the local folk, dear Granny’s s’posed to host, although she’s toast when the smoke clears!"

"If killing a priest, a vicar, a grocer or postman or three is villainous? Well, what’s it to me? You probably see the feast is imminent!"

Mitigating Factors?

So, the reason they feed people to Charles is because otherwise Charles will eat them instead. This is not played for sympathy, in any way shape or form. The 2 are gleeful sadists who relish what they do and make sure to mock the victim they capture in the middle of the vid with the fate that befalls them.

As brought up before, it is implied they are working for Warren Charles III from the game. As there is a picture of him in the train they ride in. However nothing implies any sort of genuine loyalty to the man.

The one thing that could be an issue, is with Bulls characters specially. In the outro, when leaving the tied up guy to die he says 'Poor guy' while Stupendium's Stationmaster says to him 'Don't get too sentimental, we still have to give breakfast for the morning service'. I cannot quite tell if this is mitigating or geniune sympathy for the victim, or just an off-hand comment said in jest. Given how he is characterized in the rest of the video. Nonetheless, in the version of the video on Dan Bull's channel? It is basically the same but with the dialogue altered. So now he simply says how it was a good thing they the victim up or else they would have lost 'it.'. So if it is mitigating in that version? We can just have different write ups for each channel's YMMV. With the one on Stupendium's page being solely for the Stationmaster and the one on Bull's being for both of them.

Final Verdict?

I was initially a little concerned but grew pretty firmly comfortable with them after some feedback from the others and thinking on it more. I'll leave it to you whether they both count in both versions or if only the Stationmaster should be up on Stupendium's YMMV.

Edited by Snoketrope on Mar 31st 2023 at 10:11:16 AM

Ah, I've been looking forward to seeing them here. to the Stationmaster and Conductor in the Dan Bull version, and the Stationmaster in the Stupendium one (I feel the "poor guy" moment for the Conductor still holds up, even if its rather hypocritical since its towards one victim, as it does sound genuine).

to Bleylock, the Overlook, and Coyolxauhqui. For Upton, what are his comedic moments?

The Overlook Hotel.

Goulet.

So...let's talk dinosaurs.

Dinosaurs Attack! is a 1988 collector card game released by Topps, parodying 50's sci-fi dinosaur movies, inaccuracies and all. The cards tell a storyline about a scientific experiment gone wrong, and an invasion of bloodthirsty dinosaurs led by what fans nickname "Dinosaur Satan" - The Supreme Monstrosity.

While this is technically my first tabletop proposal, the series had a comic book miniseries that faithfully adapted the original storyline, with some Adaptation Expansion. The comics are what I'm proposing from.

With this, I introduce the Supreme Monstrosity itself.

Who is the Supreme Monstrosity ? What does it do ?

The devil-like patron deity of the dinosaurs, the Monstrosity's spirit lingered since the extinction of the dinosaurs, wanting it's "children" to rule the planet once again, and bidding it's time for when technology advances for the right moment.

In the present day, a brilliant but troubled scientist, Elias Thorne is planning to present a major scientific breakthrough, from his space station The Prometheus - because naming something after a Greco-Roman titan, can only mean good things. Thorne has created a "Time Scanner", which can project images from any point in time across the globe, with the intent to observe a prehistoric earth.

Unknown to Thorne's crew and critics, The Prometheus is being haunted by the Supreme Monstrosities spirit, who is tampering with the time scanner from behind the scenes and personally haunting Elias. Elias has also performed ESP experiments on himself, and seemingly gained a degree of psychic powers. This allows Thorne to hear the Monstrosity's laughter, and for the entity to perform psychic feats. Thorne and crew are under the impression that Thorne himself is the one doing this, and the presence he's been feeling is just Thorne's troubled subconscious.

When the time comes for Thorne's presentation, the Supreme Monstrosity reworks the Time Scanner to not only project the images of dinosaurs into the modern world...but pulls the dinosaurs themselves back through time. Under the Supreme Monstrosity's influence, the dinosaurs become ravenous and blood thirsty, causing wanton death and destruction across the globe; while our heroes on Earth and in space try scramble to fix this mess, Elias is approached by another presence warning him that he not only brought the dinosaurs back, but their "guardian devil".

In a dream, Elias is approached by the benevolent Saurian, from a bygone civilization of "humanoid dinosaurs". The Saurian exposits the nature of the Supreme Monstrosity, and its plans, but Elias is reluctant to believe it. Similarly, those aboard the Prometheus, including Elias ex-wife Helen, suspect that Elias is subconsciously doing all this as a form of suicide. The Monstrosity starts appearing around the ship, killing all but Elias and Helen through heart attacks.

Elias and Helen manage to rework the Time Scanner to pull the dinosaurs back to their own time. Before they can, the Monstrosity itself appears and grabs hold of Thorne, who has Helen trigger the scanner. The dinosaurs are pulled back in time, killing them, Elias, and presumably the Supreme Monstrosity, while a surviving Helen returns to Earth.

Mitigating Qualities ?

This thing is the heinous standard; it's the one who engineered the titular dinosaur attacks, which got thousands if not millions of people killed across the globe, all in messy and vicious manners - men, women and children being crushed, ripped apart and eaten alive, all throughout the series. There are moments of dark comedy - this is a sibling series to Mars Attacks! - but the Supreme Monstrosity is played for horror, even for how absurd a "dinosaur devil" is.

My one pause is questions of agency. The Saurian exposits that dinosaurs are sub-intelligent animals, and don't  have any sense of morality - though the Saurian's existence and the Supreme Monstrosity indicate there are higher beings among them, and we clearly see the Monstrosity is intelligent enough to manipulate and interfere with technology while using the dinosaurs as it's foot soldiers.

It's also implied that the dinosaur's blood thirsty-ness comes from the Supreme Monstrosity, hence why even herbivores go out of their way to maim and devour anything with a pulse.

The other issue is if it has enough characterization; I'd say, "barely". It never talks but is described as laughing in Elias' head, with its actions playing it as a manipulator as well as a sadist. For most of the comics, it makes itself seem like Elias is subconsciously letting out his troubled side...only to reveal that yes, Dinosaur Satan is real.

There's also no redeeming qualities for it. While the Saurian calls the dinosaurs the Monstrosity's "children" - it does so with quotes. There's nothing that indicates the Supreme Monstrosity cares for them, but only wants dinosaurs to rule the earth once again, and that the dinosaurs are mere extensions of its will.

Edited by Beast on Mar 31st 2023 at 10:22:00 AM

Goulet, The Supreme Monstrosity, and The Conductor.

Yes to the Monstrosity.

For the Conductor, what updates?

SM and the Cultists

Here's my third to last Hooker candidate, where I start getting into niche villain territory.

Who is He?

Eddie Pearl, from Season 2’s "Sweet Sixteen and Dead", controls all the crime on the Sunset Blvd, from drugs, to under-aged prostitution.

What has he done?

Running Pearl Enterprises, which apparently take up a large portion of the street, Eddie gets away with his crimes by regularly bribing a councilman aide with money and young girls ("freebee dates" as he likes to call them). When the young prostitute Kelly witnesses his latest transaction, Eddie has her mortally wounded, uncaring that she died in the hospital bed.

Prideful of the amount of young women he gets hooked into prostitution and drugs, Eddie tries to have Kelly’s brother Gordy killed via overdose after he attempts to kill him out of revenge for his sister's death. But that means nothing, as Eddie's later busted by Hooker, and the episode's over.

Redeeming Qualities?

None.

Heinousness?

Eddie's easily the worst pimp in the show, regularly luring teen girls into prostituting themselves while he reaps the profits, unafraid to drug and sell them on the street, or use them as part of his frequent bribes. Plus Eddie will have anybody in his way murdered, no matter how old they are, with his attempts to kill Gordy by pumping him full of drugs showing how low he'll sink.

Conclusion

I'm leaning keep.

Yep

Edited by therealjackieboy on Mar 31st 2023 at 11:39:12 AM

to Cultists, Devil Dinosaur, Eddie

Sure to Eddie.

Are he and Dobbs the only traffickers/pimps?

In that case, definitely yes. Not like the rapists where they may be stepping on each other's toes too much.

Edited by ACW on Mar 31st 2023 at 2:41:01 PM

Overlook and I suppose Goulet

Yes to Goulet, the Overlook and Eddie. I guess yes to the evil dinosaur as well, though that's skimming the line for requisite characterization.

Jackie, when you're done the posts, you mind doing a recap with links to the EPs? You mention sex crimes and rapists are supposedly rare on this show but this is like the sixth candidate where rape or forced prostitution features. The pimp and trafficker should be fine, but the Serial Rapist villains themselves are blending into me and that's a problem.

Regarding April Fool's Posts: please don't. Pretty much every time that day turns into trouble when people start "joking around."

Edited by Scraggle on Mar 31st 2023 at 1:10:09 PM

Agreed with Scraggle vote-wise and for Hooker. That's a number of serial rapists and I think some are absolutely outstripping others.

pearl.

Agreed with and . The pimp and trafficker are unique enough, but when you have like 4-5 serial rapists...

EDIT: Also, there are still more Diagnosis: Murder proposals to come, right?

Edited by ACW on Mar 31st 2023 at 3:20:27 PM

@Scraggle: Will do. I admit I got a bit carried away with the amount of rapists I wanted to propose, and I think I know who we're gonna cut from the lineup.

Also in the meantime:

• Sailor Justice: Lord Zamon is an intergalactic conqueror who plans to acquire the Ideation Drive and use its power to rule the universe. Upon discovering the I-Drive’s location on Earth, Zamon sends three of his Hyperbeasts out to destroy a high school to claim it, viewing humans as insignificant insects. When his beasts lose to Sailor Justice, Zamon attempts to destroy the entire Earth as an act of revenge, hoping to acquire the I-Drive among the celestial debris.

• Sleeping Dogs: Liu Shen Tong, aka "Mr. Tong", is a dreaded interrogator and enforcer for the Sun On Yee. Feared for his cruel methods of murdering spies and traitors, Tong kills undercover cop Charles Ho by brutally torturing him and burying him alive to finish him off. Helping "Big Smile" Lee kill those in his gang who don’t support his rise to power, Tong kidnaps Wei’s friend Jackie Ma in an attempt to bury him alive, but after he’s rescued by Wei, Tong kidnaps Jackie again to disembowel him and hang his corpse up for Wei to see. With Wei in his grasp, Tong expresses cold joy at getting to torture him to death, hoping to break his record of 48 hours.

Yes.

Ravok has a serial killer (sorta) who targets the homeless . I have a hitman and maybe an incel serial killer. And Scraggle has one more from the books.

I'm just delayed sijce you know my phone is broken. And I can only use my other family members phoned in limited periods of time. It will be fixed in weekend.

@ACW: Yes. Mir still had a few (I think like 2 or 3, maybe 4 if we go for that last book villain) but I'm waiting for his phone/computer situation to get better so he can EP again. Likewise, I got one I'll do when Mir does his, and Ravok has one we're waiting on too.