Old Complete Monster cleanup thread
Welcome to the Complete Monster proposal thread! This is the thread where new Complete Monster examples are vetted, approved, and written up. If you're looking for the general cleanup thread (for cuts, rewrites, expansions, and the like), please go here
Important: Before suggesting any new examples, please read the Frequently Asked Questions and Common Requests List; if you have any questions, the odds are high they are answered there. Additionally, please check here for the earliest date a work can be discussed (usually two weeks from the U.S. release date) and whether the work has already been reserved by another user.
Here is how the process works:
- If you have a candidate to propose, you can simply come right in and propose them! If the character's run is brief, such as a single issue of a comic book, then a simple summary of their actions and any potential redeeming qualities will be enough; for longer-running candidates, an effortpost (EP) might be helpful for organizing the proposal. An EP is not outright required, but please be mindful that if a post becomes too clunky and unorganized, it can be very hard for other people to follow.
- After the proposal, there will be a 72-hour discussion and voting period, where people may ask questions and vote on the candidate. The number of upvotes must outnumber the downvotes by at least five for the character to be considered "approved".
- Three days after the proposal has been made, if the character has been approved, you may post the writeup (the text to be posted on the trope page itself) on the thread and send it to the drafts page. Your candidate will soon be added to the CM subpage. If the work has a page, you should add your candidate to the relevant YMMV page. Voila! It's that simple!
Outside of this process, we do have a few ground rules:
- To keep the thread moving at a reasonable pace, there are some restrictions on when a proposal can be made. There should only be a maximum of four EPs posted both per page and per hour to ensure that nothing gets lost in the shuffle; additionally, each individual troper should only be proposing or writing up characters from a maximum of three works at a time (from initial proposals to end of their voting period). If your proposal would fall outside of either of these guidelines, we'd like to ask you to please wait until they would fit within; feel free to type them up on an outside document, and then when the time comes, you can just copy, paste, and post!
- No plagiarism of any kind. This is a very serious matter site-wide, as the website could get in actual legal trouble over this; as a result, this can very quickly lead to mod intervention. This can take many different forms:
- Direct plagiarism, i.e. wholesale copying. This is not only the easiest to find, but is also the most likely to warrant quick moderator intervention. To be clear, quoting in some places is perfectly acceptable, but it has to be very clear you're quoting from something else and it cannot be anything longer than a sentence or two - if you're quoting an entire work summary from Wikipedia, no one is going to believe you've actually consumed the work, so even if you cite your source, your candidate will be downvoted anyway.
- Self-plagiarism. Even if you can prove that you wrote the same text in both places, the site itself can't contain any of the duplicated text. If you already wrote something once before, it's not too hard to write it a second time.
- Using another site's work as a template for a proposal. Just because you don't copy and paste something directly doesn't mean it's any harder to detect if you're basing parts or all of your proposal on text someone else wrote. To be clear, this doesn't violate site rules and won't lead to mod intervention, but just like if you directly plagiarize, no one will believe you've consumed the work if you're clearly basing your proposal on something else. This thread largely operates on the honor system, and tweaking someone else's work to pass it off as your own is one of the fastest ways to lose trust.
- Votes must be for specific candidates, meaning no blanket voting (i.e. "yes to everyone I missed").
- If you are the first person to downvote a candidate, please provide an explanation of why when you do so. We're here for discussions above all, and a hit-and-run downvote doesn't facilitate anything.
- If a work is already reserved by another user, please don't comment on the work or any potential characters worth discussion before the discussion date. We know how exciting it is when a work has a keeper that you're waiting to talk about, but it's not fair to the person who reserved the work who is just as excited to lead the discussion to see the discussion getting spoiled before they get to do it. On the other hand, if the reservation only has one name attached, shoot them a PM - they may be down for a collaboration, which will get you in on the fun as well!
- Please keep the thread on-topic. While discussing the trope is fun and we encourage people to enjoy it, questions like "who's your favorite CM" are off-topic and can lead to thumps. That's the kind of question to take to people's PMs if they're willing. Similarly, while we encourage friendliness and familiarity with other users, posts should always have some kind of thread-relevant purpose; for instance, if you want to wish someone a happy birthday, feel free to, but if it's the only thing in the post, it's off-topic and needs something else alongside it. Again, though, while we strive for a friendly atmosphere, this is not Facebook; life updates are fun, but unless they have some kind of impact on your thread participation, please do not bring it here - we have Yack Fest for that.
- Please refrain from asking anything along the lines of "How Did We Miss This One?" In almost every case, the answer is simply "No one thought about it before". This Is a Wiki where everyone has different interests, and the fact that people missed a particular candidate, even one that seems like a textbook example of a trope or a character who is particularly iconic in pop culture, means absolutely nothing. The question is disruptive, has a simple and consistent answer, and provides nothing to any discussion.
- If you are suspended from parts of the website, it is still possible to participate!
- For users who are suspended from editing the wiki, you still have full access to this thread. You can propose candidates and write them up with no issues whatsoever; while you will have to ask someone else to post the entry to the relevant pages once it is done, all write-ups are considered thread-approved - as in, done by consensus - and thus doing so does not violate any rules regarding meatpuppeting.
- If you are suspended from the forums, your participation is limited but not impossible. It is still possible for a forum-suspended user to assist in creating the write-up for a character who has already been approved; as previously mentioned, write-ups are inherently considered a consensus-based edit and thus not tied to any one particular user. However, you can not assist in the proposal of a character; as a proposal is based around the forum rather than the wiki, doing so with a forum suspension qualifies as meatpuppeting.
- Please keep all discussions "in-house".
- What other wikis use for CM equivalents is irrelevant here.
- Please be wary of using other wikis, Fandom or otherwise, as sources of information. They are just as fallible as a site like Wikipedia in regards to accuracy because they can be edited by any user, just as this site can.
- Do not attempt to force a communication with an author in an attempt to gather evidence or settle a debate; besides the fact that this is a YMMV trope and thus author intent has variable weight depending on the circumstance, doing so may cross the line into drama exportation, which is prohibited site-wide.
If you would like to use an EP for your candidate, here's the general format. This format does not have to be followed exactly, but these are the main topics that need to be covered:
What is the work?
This is a brief summary of the work you're going to discuss. We don't need a full plot summary here, just however much we need to understand going into the discussion — it can even be as simple as quoting the summary on the work's page.
Who is the candidate and what have they done?
This is essentially the character's biography — who they are, their story, the crimes they commit, and, preferably (though not required), what happens to the candidate at the end. It does not have to include every single thing they ever do — for some villains, we'd be here all day if that was the case — but it should include the highlights of their journey.
Any redeeming qualities? Freudian Excuse?
This is where any potential redeeming characteristics or tragic backstory should be discussed. Do they have a tragic past? Do they show that Even Evil Has Standards or Even Evil Has Loved Ones? Maybe a Pet the Dog moment or two? This is where these should be discussed in full. Not every potential redeeming moment is a clear-cut disqualifier, but we should hear of any potential issues to ensure the character is discussed in full.
Are they bad enough?
A Complete Monster has to be particularly vile by the standard of the work they appear in. Therefore, you should look at what the character does compared to similar characters in the same work. This takes into account things like:
- Their resource level (a human Serial Killer can't stand up to an alien Omnicidal Maniac, but they can be bad by the standard of other human serial killers)
- The amount of time they have to work with (such as a one-shot character versus long-running antagonists)
- The quantity vs. quality of their crimes compared to others (someone with a lower victim count but far more visceral and personal crimes could be considered as equally bad overall as someone with a higher body count but less horror involved)
Essentially, this section is an analysis of the kinds of villainy shown in the work and an explanation of why this particular character's villainy stands out within it.
Final verdict?
This is where you post your final conclusion on the character in question. You can continue elaborating on your reasons or even just say a simple "yes" or "no"; at this point, we've heard everything we need to hear.
IMPORTANT NOTICE: This thread tackles very serious and dark matters on a daily basis. We will be discussing things like murder, rape, torture, human trafficking, crimes against children, and in particularly dark cases, several of these issues at the same time. We keep a lighthearted air, but all candidates carry the general assumption that these are awful individuals committing disgusting crimes. We ask that if you participate, you do so with the requisite seriousness such dark topics require; exclamations of how gross something is, whether serious or sarcastic, are disrespectful to the topics at hand, and if you cannot handle such topics, please do not participate.
And that's everything you need to know. Welcome to the thread!
Edited by Twiddler on Jan 17th 2024 at 5:42:49 AM
Woagh
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to Frankie, Dunn and Chevailer
Goku Black
chevalier
Showtime!
to the Nemesis guys and Chevalier
Unofficial Wiki Curator for Complete Monster
Yes to Ludovic.
Is Grimthorn only in Boundless Dreams? If so, we could make it
- Hypnagogia: Boundless Dreams: Writeup
So, I have decided to EP a character from the Jackie Chan film The Foreigner. Quan, a Shell-Shocked Veteran who saw his wife and youngest daughter kidnapped, raped and murdered in front of him, looses his only surviving daughter in an bomb attack on a shop that claims over a dozen lives, with a terrorist cell called the “Authentic IRA” claiming credit. Quan soon travels to Northern Ireland to find those responsible, bringing him into a bitter and bloody battle with Sinn Fein politician Liam Hennessy.
As it turns out, Liam was behind the bombings to gain pardons for IRA members, but he specifically instructed the bombs to be harmless and target only government and financial infrastructure with plenty of advanced warning. Liam soon realizes that nearly everyone close to him is working against him, and the man primarily responsible for turning Liam’s campaign into an unmitigated bloodbath? One of the heads of the IRA and Liam’s old war buddy, a man called Hugh Mc Grath.
What has he done?
An utterly fanatical and bloodthirsty IRA member, Mc Grath had a reputation for brutality that surpassed even his fellow IRA members to the point where Liam frequently had to rein him in. Enraged following the peace treaty and coming to see Liam as a weak, feeble and out of touch old man, Mc Grath nursed his grudge in private whilst deciding to seize the first opportunity to start the bloodshed again. Upon learning that Liam planned on bombing some financial and government properties to force the British government into pardoning IRA members who were prosecuted during the troubles, Mc Grath hijacked the plan from him. Under Liam’s nose, Mc Grath enlisted the help of Liam’s wife (who hated him for not killing her brother’s murderers in the UVF and instead imprisoning them) and several IRA terrorists. Sending one of them (a woman called Sarah Mckay) to seduce Liam and tie him to the bombs, Mc Grath planned on framing Liam for the bombing and destroying his political career if Liam “lost his nerve” due to all the deaths. He then gave the terrorists his own semtex, made to be as deadly as possible. With everything in place, Mc Grath sent his bombers to London to enact their campaign.
The result? Utter carnage. The first bomb goes off, killing Quan’s daughter and well over a dozen people in the process, including women and children. Gleeful at the slaughter, Mc Grath soon instructed them to pick another target and Sarah herself was the one who planted the next bomb on a loaded double decker bus that went off on London bridge, killing an entire family (including a young boy and a baby) and dozens more in the process, and even planned a third bomb on a passenger plane to take down the Prime Minister. However, the British government soon became suspicious of Liam and, upon investigating, uncovered Mc Grath talking to one of the IRA terrorists in a Dublin pub that was a known meeting point for IRA members. Enraged when he realizes that Mc Grath betrayed him completely and caused no end of deaths, Liam ambushes him, tortures him for information and then shoots him in the head to prevent him giving any information to the British police.
Heinous Standard?
Now, whilst I’d love for some of the other bomber’s to count (like Sarah) they unfortunately don’t quite make it due to redeeming qualities (Sarah and Mary) or just simply not doing enough to stand out personality wise. Mc Grath, though, more than stands out due to not being one of the most characterized members of the group and for having virtually no redeeming qualities at all. Also, it’s clear that the entire reason the bombing campaign claimed that many lives was directly his doing, as he allowed them to take semtex from his own dump fully intending for it to kill as many people as possible, thus allowing all of the events of the film to take place. The whole thing was his idea to begin with as well. Pass.
Redeeming Qualities or Freudian Excuse?
So, during discussions with Lighty, his main hesitation was the fact that Mc Grath DOES seem dedicated to “the cause” of a united Ireland, to the point where he voices disgust with Liam for wanting the pardons for his own political gain and calls him a “disgrace to the cause.” There is, however, a huge problem with this and it undermines pretty much all of what he says. In an earlier scene, Liam directly spells out what the effects of Mc Grath’s horrific bombing campaign will be: that Northern Ireland will be engulfed in full scale civil conflict, the British army will return again, no end of people will be killed and that the majority of Mc Grath’s own countrymen and comrades voted against the violence to prevent this exact thing happening. Mc Grath is FULLY aware of this, knows personally many people who lost loved ones due to the sectarian hatred, and yet has no problems doing it anyway despite knowing how many people on his own side will die as a result. Because of that, his support of “the cause” becomes far less a Well-Intentioned Extremist doing what they think is right and far more the words of an Ax-Crazy Knight Templar doing what they are doing out of sectarian hatred and little else.
Other than that? Nothing to speak of. Mc Grath is characterized as an utterly ruthless butcher willing to murder no end of people to achieve his political aims, betrays his comrades in the IRA to start a bloodbath, and is utterly proud of all the people (including women and children) that he’s killed. Pass.
Conclusion?
I’d say a keep.
Edited by Atlantis1930 on Dec 5th 2023 at 11:43:03 AM
Not the Eye
Unofficial Wiki Curator for Complete Monster
Leaning yes to Hugh, but even if he knows there will be a war doesn't mean he isn't well intentioned...
What are Sarah and Mary's redeeming qualities?
CM Dates; CM Pending; CM Drafts
Sarah cares for her fellow bombers and Mary loved her brother and wants revenge for his death. The other bombers don't really do enough to stand out and they seem to get on with each other.
As for him being well intentioned, I simply don't buy it. Liam spells out very clearly that nearly everyone said no to the violence, including members of the IRA themselves, and Mc Grath directly betrays them all in a bid to stir up all of the violence again. It's far less about wanting a united Ireland and far more him wanting to just kill as many of the "enemy" as possible even if they are women and children.
Edited by Atlantis1930 on Dec 5th 2023 at 10:20:47 AM
Rejected UAC Marine
Underminer and Hugh
Shame about Lighty, but such is life I suppose
That being said, I have no source.
to Frankie Robles and Daimon Dunn, Ludovic Chevailer and Hugh McGarth.
Hugh Mcgrath. And for my first proposal, let's tackle a film that tries to be Mission Impossible.
What's the work?
Heart of Stone is a 2023 spy action film intended to be the start of a franchise similar to Mission: Impossible Film Series. The film stars Gal Gadot as Rachel Stone, a spy agent for a secret global peacekeeping organization called the Charter that heavily relies on a highly powerful A.I named the Heart. However, when the controls are stolen, Stone must work to get them back before its too late.
Who is Parker?
Parker is the hidden main antagonist of the film. He is a former MI6 agent who used to work with the Charter. 6 years ago, Parker was delivering weapons to take a tyrannical Chechen warlord, but when the drop turned out to be a trap and his team was executed, the Charter made the hard choice of sending a missile strike at the drop to make sure the weapons didn't fall into the warlord's hands as they thought everyone had already died. However, Parker survived and decided to steal an artifical intelligence system named The Heart and use it to destroy the Charter as revenge for abandoning him many years ago. Unfortunately, Rachel Stone gets in the way.
- According to the heads of the Charter, Parker lives alone and has no one he cares for and was an agent for mi6 who was involved in an operation in Chechnya in 2015 at a warehouse to stop a tyrannical Chechen warlord. However, the drop turned out to be a trap and the mi6 team he was with was killed by Russian agents. Thinking everyone had been killed and that the weapons would fall into the warlord's hands, who would use it to kill thousands, the Charter reluctantly ordered a drone strike on a warehouse to prevent this, thinking everyone had already died. However, Parker did not and disappeared before masquerading as the head of an mi6 team including Rachel Stone, Bailey, and Yang.
- Teaming up with an Indian criminal named Keya Dhawan, Parker and her set up a gambling event on a livestream of a marines operation and how many will die to lure out a weapons dealer named Mulvaney, Parker disguises as an mi6 agent with a team, including Rachel Stone, Bailey, and Yang, and secretly gets information about the Heart from him and that only a Charter member knows its location, Parker then secretly murders Mulvaney with cyanide poisoning.
- After the mission, Parker secretly has his bloodthirsty right-hand man Blond and his mercenaries try to kill the rest of the mi6 team, while Parker keeps his cover as an agent. When that doesn't work and he and the team escape, Parker ruthlessly shoots and kills Bailey and Yang in front of Stone, even after Stone went against the Heart to save them, and taunts her over it before injecting her with a hacking device and cutting her with a cyanide poison-tipped blade so she falls unconscious.
- Using the hacking device, Parker, Keya, and the rest of his team temporarily hack the Heart. When Keya calls Stone and finds out Parker murdered Bailey and Yang, Keya confronts him about it and says that wasn't part of the plan, but Parker tells her that she shouldn't give two shits about people like Bailey and Yang. Keya and Parker then skydive into the Locker, the location of the Heart in West Africa, and manage to steal it before Parker explodes the Locker and escapes with Keya in a helicopter.
- When Keya accidentally gets taken ahold of by Stone in a fight, Parker pays a woman to act as an elderly and considerate civilian and take Stone and Keya to a nearby African village. Parker then has Blond and his men hire local mercenaries and raid and shoot up the village to capture Keya and Stone, succeeding in getting back Keya but not Stone, resulting in Blond ruthlessly killing the old woman, which shocks Keya.
- After getting to his base in Iceland and installing the Heart and taking control of it, Parker uses it to drop an elevator shaft to murder the King of Diamonds, killing her, her family, and several other nearby innocents. Keya calls him out on this, saying that he said they were going to only expose the Charter and begging Parker to stop, but Parker patronizes her by saying that his goal has nothing to do with Keya's tragic past and that he's out for the Charter's power. Parker then locates the King of Hearts in a bunker with dozens of other Charter agents and seals off their bunker and shuts off their ventilation system in order to try and suffocate them to death.
- In probably his worst act, Parker lures the King of Clubs and his men to a lab in a university building with false coordinates and then detonates a bomb that blows up the university building in a huge explosion, massacring the King of Clubs, his men, anyone left in the university building, and countless civilians and college students nearby in the wreckage. When Parker finds that Keya deactivated the Heart to help Stone and escaped, Parker found Keya and brutalized her by pistol whipping her and sadistically threatening to mutilate her by shooting her knees to force her to active the Heart.
- When he finds Stone is in the building, Parker takes Keya hostage and explains his motives about wanting the Charter's power to change the world for good to Stone, who immediately realizes that the extremist motives are all bullshit and that he just wants power for him, as the first thing he did with power was kill people and brutalized his own team. Stone and Parker then fight with Keya briefly helping Stone before Parker shoots Stone, pokes through her wound, and violently beats her and Keya and attempts to choke Stone to death before she shoots Parker to death.
Any redeeming qualities? Freudian Excuse?
As for redeeming qualities, Parker simply has none. As for his personal life, he has no one he cares for as proof by the Charter's records of him, and definitely doesn't show care to anyone onscreen, as he sadistically kills his colleagues early in the film and does not care for Keya or Stone. While he claims to have extremist goals to use the power of the Heart to change the world for good and that the Charter won't do anything, Stone rightfully points out he just wants power. Nothing more. Nothing less.
While he has a freudian excuse of being abandoned by the Charter in the 2015 operation, this wasn't really him being mistreated, as it was a genuine mistake for the Charter thought everyone had already died and that it was safe to launch the drone strike, and that they were also doing it for genuinely good reasons to prevent a Chechen warlord from killing thousands of more innocents. Even then, Parker's past does not excuse him being willing to target innocents in a university building bombing and his violent raid of an African village.
Is he heinous enough?
Let's see. He personally betrays and kills two of his partners in front of Stone (after all of them becoming best friends, making it even worse) and taunts her over it, has his men violently raid and open fire on an African village to capture Stone and Keya, dropping an elevator lift which kills the King of Diamonds and her family along with several innocent bystanders in the lobby, EXPLODING A UNIVERSITY which kills countless people, including the King of Clubs and his mercenaries, along with countless innocents in and nearby the university, and trying to painfully kill dozens of Charter agents and the King of Hearts by suffocating them. Parker definitely passes along with his personal villainy with Stone.
Conclusion?
I'd say an easy keep. What do y'all think?
Other account got hacked I think
for Robles and Dunn. What about Brewer? Character with an underage sex harem sound like a poster child for the CM trope. Any signs he cares about his ex-wife?
for Chevalier.
for Mc Grath. Funny thing: In real life there were at least half-a-dozen IRA groups with names like Real IRA or Continuity IRA. So a group calling itself Authentic IRA wouldn't even be out of place.
Going to switch to Abstain on Shikami due to Ghal-Sur's post. Going to watch a video of the game first and then make-up my mind.
Ludovic, Mc G, Parker
I'm sure the Lighty situation will resolve itself in a few months; Lighty's part of the thread for over a decade, he'll probably make another appeal and a few months later, make a post here. Cue everyone going "Lighty's back!" for all we know
I still think Fuudo is "unique", trying to summon a ghost army to Take Over the World should push him over the edge. Though I'm fine with Shikami being dismissed as "just another minion"
¯|_(ツ)_/¯
Edited by RobertTYL on Dec 5th 2023 at 10:15:39 PM
Shadow Ranger
for Parker, Hugh, Underminer, Ludovic
And a new CM EP.
What is the work?
Bear With Me: The Lost Robots is the Prequel to the 2016 video game Bear With Me. Taking place before the events of the first game, it centres on Amber's older brother Flint and Ted as they investigate the unusual disappearances of robots across Paper City. But the investigation takes a sinister turn when they find out that there is more to this than what they initially suspect...
Who is she?
Lifty Workofsky is the head of the Robot Union who is known for her sarcastic, grumpy personality. Her first encounter with Ted and Flint was not on a lighter note, as she nagged the two about the case of missing robots across the city, before the duo revealed that they found the dismantled body of Robbie Robotson with a ratchet relay that is missing. When Ted retold he and Flint's visit with Skinner, she scathingly describes about him being a "heartless scumbag", before scathingly telling both of them to find a ratchet relay for Robbie.
Eventually after rebooting Robbie and putting Skinner behind bars, it is revealed near the end of the game that she's not who she initially seems. She is revealed to be the actual mastermind of the disappearances of all robots, having gutted out them for ratchet relays, including Robbie himself, that her employees Barry and Harold kidnapped in the past under her orders so she can gut them out and harvest their relays, with Skinner being the one who ordered these relays in the first place, making her complicit for their disappearances in the past. When Ted and Flint hid in the lighthouse, the disguised Lifty is seen talking to her Co-Dragons where she castigated the trout duo about telling Ted and Flint about the relays to reactivate Robbie. It is until Lifty revealed about Skinner: she only assisted Ted and Flint to arrest her so she can let the duo get rid of him from the picture, until Ted himself interrupts her.
Lifty mocks them as to how they are somewhat impressed that they knew everything about this case, being that it was just a ruse all along. But Ted has none of it, since he already uncovered her involvement in the robots' disappearances, being that she was the mastermind all along and not Skinner, before ultimately telling both them off that they are "still not getting paid" and how they are "outnumbered". She orders Barry and Harold to take care of them as they're no longer useful in her plans, but she is "outnumbered" instead when Robbie uses the police sounds to fool her into believing that the police is indeed after her.
As her plans are falling apart, so too her sanity when she orders both her right-hand men again to kill them outright for real, but as mentioned by Harold, Ted caustically tells her that "they sold her out", showing that both of them betrayed her. In The Last Straw for her, she loses it and goes on a rampage against Harold and decidedly throws any loyalty to both of them out of the window by calling him a "spineless bastard" for siding with Ted and Flint. She charges towards Harold and decidedly pushes him to his death. But Harold grabs her wheeled leg at the last minute, causing him and her to fall down instead. Her death put an end to her long-time terror in Paper City, once and for all, and the bodies of other missing robots were never found at the end.
Heinous Enough?
Lifty is a Serial Killer/Killer Robot who started off as an unlikeable but well-meaning grump towards the protagonists, but that is all about it. In the past she's responsible for the mass-kidnapping of all robots in Paper City with the help of Barry and Harold, so she can gut them out and harvest their ratchet relays while getting involved with Skinner, who orders the relays themselves. To make it worse, these said robots like Robbie himself are fully sentient beings, not just any regular robots, so Lifty gutting out these robots for such a piece of an electronic is no different from some deranged doctor gutting a person's organs. That being said, she got a Karma Houdini moment, getting away from this said crime for a long time and hide her persona as the head of Robot Union advocating for robot's employee rights. She is justifiably a Bad Boss towards Barry and Harold, her Co-Dragons, where at the end of the game she threatens to kill Harold by pushing him to the ledge of the lighthouse for his and Harold's betrayal towards her, while the latter clings for his dear life. Fortunately, Harold grabs her and kills her and himself at the end, thus putting an end to her terror. At the end, Lifty is a heartless monster who easily surpasses for the heinousness of the series.
Freudian Excuse?
For a character who is a Bitch in Sheep's Clothing and pretends to help the main protagonists while hiding her sinister motives, she doesn't have any redeeming qualities to begin with. Her act to help the protagonists in stopping Skinner is just a farce to hide the fact that she's responsible for the mass disappearances of every robot in the city. Her relationship with her Co-Dragons Barry and Harold doesn't help her case either, where she simply constantly berates at them for their incompetence and once her crimes were exposed, she goes completely murderous and wanted to kill Harold for being a "spineless bastard", which would eventually leads her to her death.
Verdict
Tentative yes, but I'll leave it to you.
The Metro series fan! Steam Account: Randum
I’ll take a potato chip… and EAT IT!
To Parker, been thinking about him ever since I saw the film but wasn’t sure if he was heinous enough
Lifty
The Dark Priest himself
Wanna ask if anyone has reserved Dragon Quest Monsters: The Dark Prince for discussion?
Edited by TadiTadTa on Dec 6th 2023 at 12:07:30 AM
I think Iike Gundam and Dragon Quest too much
Parker and Lifty
Not the Eye
to Parker and Lifty
![[up]](https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/smiles/arrow_up.png "[up]"){kind=icon}
It dosen’t look like anybody did.
Switch no to Shikami.
Unofficial Wiki Curator for Complete Monster
Hey, we're back 
Yes to Lifty. Parker...I don't know. Even if his backstory doesn't JUSTIFY his actions, do they explain them?
CM Dates; CM Pending; CM Drafts
Caesar
- Raising Cain: Dr. Carter Nix Sr. is a horrible abuser who is determined to unlock the secrets of multiple personality disorder for his own scientific curiosity. In order to test his theories on MPD, Nix subjected his own young son, Carter, to all manner of abuses in order to fracture the boy's mind. Nix then tried to buy a batch of infants off the black market to use as further test subjects. After faking his death, Nix continues his research in secret, using the tormented Carter as a pawn to carry out kidnappings and murders, culminating in Nix forcing the kidnapping of his own granddaughter as one of the next children he plans to abuse as part of his research. When Carter's wife tries to save her child from Nix, Nix threatens them both with a gun and reveals he intends to let Carter take the fall for his crimes.
Unofficial Wiki Curator for Complete Monster
Ravok, this work?
Speaking about Dragon quest does Hargon count?
Caesar
Yes that's good, ACW!
WHAT A WONDERFUL DAY!
So Parker unintentionally got abandoned by his superiors and now wants revenge against them, killing a lot of people while not caring about any innocents caught in the crossfire. Normally that would be a no for me .What makes me still upvote him is that he later told Keya that he want the Carter’s power negating his Freudian Excuse. So I’m giving him a
About the Bear With Me villain: How easy is it to repair the victims? And how much did Skinner know about her operation, considering that he was the one who ordered the ratchet relays in the first place?
Edited by NTG on Dec 6th 2023 at 9:14:49 AM
Yes to Underminer, Psycho Green Ranger, Nemesis duo, and Chevalier.
Edited by Bullman on Dec 5th 2023 at 3:50:26 AM
Fan-Preferred Couple cleanup thread