Five Nights at Freddy's Updating and Clean Up Effort

I'm going to agree with Snoke for the admittedly petty reason that doing that lets us nuke all the complaining about William having Joker Immunity.

Edited by badtothebaritone on Jul 26th 2023 at 11:01:57 AM

If we do update Glitchtrap and Burntrap, should we take the Glitchtrap and Burntrap stuff off of the page completely or let Mimic and William share a page just in 2 sections? Sense the 2 serve the same narrative roles of their respective eras? Of 'the bunny-themed killer who is responsible for everything? Like, perhaps renaming the page 'the purple guy' sense Glitchtrap has the same purple Color Motif at times. Or call it 'Primary killers'.

Edited by Snoketrope on Jul 26th 2023 at 10:32:08 AM

Bumping this.

Any other thoughts on what we should do with Mimic? I still say that for the time being, we should just treat Glitchtrap and Burntrap as the Mimic until we get a twist later showing they are seperate.

*muttering* See, that's what makes this hard. Fans come up with some theory and it will be either canonized (Freddles) or not (The protagonists of the games being different people). Even though Scott Cawthon has left, Steel Wool and the novel writers have proven they're just as good as coming up with twists too (e.g. the DLC for Security Breach's normal ending having Roxanne call out for Cassie but that may be Mimic who may have also been impersonating Gregory). The reason why I'm opposed to merging the duo is because I'm worried is that if we do this, another game or DLC pack or whatever will come out and reveal that Mimic is not Glitchtrap/Burntrap after all.

Edited by FirstAidRules on Aug 3rd 2023 at 5:51:58 AM

I don't think (or at the very least for now) so because I feel we should wait for more evidence for or against the theory that they're the same since that's a fan theory. For the record, I'm not saying all fan theories are completely inaccurate (nor am I against them), I just believe we're supposed to trope what has happened if I'm correctly. Plus, this franchise is still ongoing so it wouldn't surprise me if we get any confirmation either way in the future.

Exactly my point. The whole Mimic being Burntrap/Glitchtrap is a fan theory. We should just wait until a new thing comes out explicitly saying if they are the same or not. The novels have a tendency to contradict what's happening in the games anyway.

My thing is that we already decided to wait for the next thing back when I first brought it up. And I was supporting it at the time. Well, we got the next big thing....and now we got the next big thing. The Mimic is here. Further suggesting that it has been the villain the whole time.

And at this point. And in terms of it being a fan theory? I would say it's a fan theory in the same way Michael being the protagonist of FNAF 6 is a fan theory. It's not directly stated, but its blatantly the narrative intent. The idea that William is Glitchtrap or Burntrap is also currently 'a theory', the difference is now we have actual evidence indicating that its not really the case. But we have evidence that it is, in fact Mimic.

Edited by Snoketrope on Aug 4th 2023 at 3:46:39 AM

Yeah, but there's been cases where we have evidence before and then they later get contradicted. Like how everyone thought that the protagonists were separate people and then Pizzeria Simulator comes along and heavily implies they were all Michael Afton or William and Charlie dying in the ending but then the novels revealed them to have survived. What I'm trying to get at is that we and the fans have had evidence but it's up to the creators if it gets true or not, hence why I say we wait until we actually know who Mimic is instead of saying he's Glitch/Burntrap. And plus, I am suspicious of the whole suggested thing. Just because something is suggested, doesn't mean it's true.

Edited by FirstAidRules on Aug 4th 2023 at 5:53:11 AM

If we get a huge 180 later, we can change it later. Right now all the evidence points towards Mimic being Glitchtrap and Burntrap. And the franchise has never really done any sort of 'double super reversals' like that. Usually its 'this thing seemed to be true but later it turned out to be something else'. Something seeming to be one thing, later turning out to be another, and then pulling another reversal after that has never really happened. Right now we have already gotten the reversal. Beforehand the evidence suggested that William was back, now the evidence points torwards it not being William and being this other villain.

But yeah, like you said, later. I figure it's easiest to wait because Fazbear Frights implied William was behind everything again but then it was later said that Eleanor was the true villain and William was Killed Off for Real with basically a whimper.

We already had the idea to wait for the next big thing, though. We did that, and now Mimic having been the main villain for the steel wool era all this time is more likely then ever. So I think its been long enough at this point and can just be changed now. And again, the franchise has done bait and switches before, it has not really done a like....double bait and switch before. We already had the Red Herring with it looking like William was Glitchtrap and Burntrap. And it looks like that is not the case. So while there is a possibility we will get another sudden shift, it's not really that likely.

But what if it changes again? The books show similarities, but not conformations. I say we leave it as it is for now.

That's what I've been trying to say.

It is about as confirmed as a lot of things from this franchise. It is not quite directly stated but it is clearly the narrative intent at the moment and such. I was, again, a big guy saying we should wait for the next big release. And we got said big release that made it more likely then ever that Mimic was indeed the villain the whole time. And if we get another 180 we can simply change it again later.

I have grown slightly more comfortable with waiting for HW 2 and such, but I still stand that we have enough at the moment.

EDIT: To give a new subject, I think Tales from the pizzaplex should have its own page? It is a seperate book series from Frights and it has a lot of unique stuff and lore relevance that I think it warrants a page.

Edited by Snoketrope on Sep 13th 2023 at 10:55:20 AM

I'm cool with Tales having a page.

Anyway, I was browsing some pages last night and I came across this:

• Iron Woobie: The Cassette Man — formerly a colleague of William Afton — assisted Afton in running Fredbear's Family Diner as well as in creating the animatronics. When his daughter was murdered by Afton ^note (who went on to possess the Puppet), the Cassette Man discovers Afton's evil purposes upon seeing the souls of the slain children inhabiting the animatronics. Desiring revenge, as well as atonement for his involvement, Cassette Man creates an elaborate trap to capture the remaining animatronics before burning the confinement to the ground and freeing the souls. If the plan fails, the Cassette Man would lament over his failure in the Insanity ending of the sixth game. While the series has several tragic characters including most of the animatronics and security guards that were murdered, the Cassette Man stands as the most tragic figure, having been manipulated and betrayed by his former friend.

Is there any reason he's not just called Henry here? (Also how sympathetic he is varies depending on who you ask, but IDK if that matters)

Erm, yeah. Go ahead and change it to Henry. Everyone knows him as Henry and not "Cassette Man".

Since this seems to be a fairly broad project, I'd like to make a suggestion about something that's bothered me for a long time:

I think that the Character index for the Animatronics need to be reorganized, or at the very least renamed in some way. Currently, they're organized by games/continuities, but are indexed as "Generations". I've always found this to be a misleading labeling scheme, since it implies that the animatronics from each games are successive to those from previous games when that isn't always the case due to the non-linear timeline. For instance, the Funtime animatronics are labeled as the "Fifth Generation", despite chronologically predating the Phantom animatronics—the "Third Generation"—by decades! This naming scheme is also used for the Adventure animatronics' character page, despite there already being existing monikers for every group of animatronics there.

I think that a better alternative would be to use either the aforementioned monikers or location names for each set of animatronics. For instance:

• The Classic/Withered Animatronics / Freddy Fazbear's Pizza
• The Toy Animatronics / Freddy Fazbear's Pizza (1987)
• The Phantom Animatronics / Fazbear's Fright
• The Nightmare Animatronics
• The Funtime Animatronics / Circus Baby's Entertainment and Rental
• Freddy Fazbear's Pizza Place
• The Freddy Fazbear Virtual Experience
• The Glamrock Animatronics / Freddy Fazbear's Mega Pizzaplex

To ease organization, certain animatronics from the games which fall outside of the main 'groups' (such as the Shadows, Helpy, and the purchasable animatronics from Pizzeria Simulator) could be moved to the general Animatronics page, which is mostly unutilized as it stands. I don't have a particular preference for any of these options, but I think they would all be more appropriate than the 'Generation' label.

Edited by IglooTA on Nov 6th 2023 at 2:07:47 AM

I think that makes sense. I was honestly just thinking about that when I saw the IP thread for one of the pages. It's an especially confusing way to phrase it given the jumbled time-line (you brought up the funtimes versus the phantoms; it's equally hard to say that the toys and withereds are "gen 2" when they're canonically before "gen 1").

Edited by WarJay77 on Nov 6th 2023 at 12:17:41 PM

Yeah. Me too, because the chronology up until Pizzeria Simulator is really confusiong.

Edited by FirstAidRules on Nov 6th 2023 at 2:02:31 AM

Following up on this, I think it may be worth considering trimming some fat on the existing character pages and possibly improving ease of reading by creating some additional character-specific pages, as there are quite a few animatronics by now who have substantial plot importance across multiple games and/or stories in the franchise. Some candidates that I think are worth considering:

• Elizabeth Afton / Circus Baby (compilation of Elizabeth, Circus Baby, Scrap Baby and Novel Trilogy Baby)
• Charlotte "Charlie" Emily / The Puppet (compilation of The Puppet, Adventure Puppet, Lefty, The Thing in the Bag and Novel Trilogy Charlie; can potentially also include both the normal and Adventure versions of Phantom Puppet and Nightmarionne, as well as the Security Puppet)
• The Mimic (potentially including folders for its different forms such as Tiger Rock and Helpi; also makes it easy to add Glitchtrap and Burntrap if/when they are explicitly confirmed to be the Mimic)
• Golden Freddy / Fredbear (compilation of Golden Freddy, Adventure Fredbear^note excluding Adventure Shadow Freddy and Adventure Nightmare, Fredbear and "The New Kid" Villain; can potentially also include Nightmare Fredbear)

EDIT: Disregard. Having reviewed the requirements for Character Specific Pages, I have realized that none of these characters' folders are really long enough to warrant it at current, even when compiling all of the listed folders together.

Edited by IglooTA on Nov 6th 2023 at 3:43:07 AM

I'm not sure about a Mimic page just yet if only because it technically isn't 100% confirmed and knowing this series things can change wildly. Agree with the other ideas though

Just because the Mimic has been confirmed to exist in the games doesn't mean that it was Glitch/Burntrap. And just because it was the villain of Ruin doesn't mean it was the mastermind for everything. I think we should treat that as a theory for now.

Also people have been treating Golden Freddy's child as evil in the FNAF movie pages, saying that "he doesn't seem to be influenced by Afton" without elaborating, saying they "kept him alive". There's no indication either is true. They don't even explain why this would be the case.

Edited by CatcherInTheWry on Nov 15th 2023 at 12:57:55 PM

Yeah, Golden Freddy's child didn't seem evil to me. Just angry. Just like Cassidy / Andrew.

I think that we need to dial it back with accusing Monty.

• "There's no evidance saying Monty is innocent" Several fans have taken issue with two clues pointing against Monty being the culprit - one, being that Monty doesn't actually enjoy being on the stage as much as the supposed motive would imply, two, he didn't have the upgrade to deal Bonnie. Like, these are LITERALLY the first things that come in a "Monty is innocent" post. Like it's one thing to not believe he's innocent, saying that there's NO evidance is just completely incorrect.
• YMMV drags on an alternative theory about Roxy killing Bonnie is Ron the Death Eater despite the fact that Roxy is an asshole herself and is depicted in universe as becoming destructive when she doesn't win! It also moreover dedicates more time to discrediting the theory then actually proving that it makes Roxanne out of character.
• The idea that if Monty killed Bonnie, it would have been before the virus is WMG, makes use of TalesGames which was "confirmed" by the marketing department and via reply to a guy whose other email to a FNAF creator was shown to be very loaded. (Basically "if you don't say yes you're a lazy writer" (We didn't see his email to this question, incidentally)
• Speaking of which, I think that we should not take TalesGames as confirmed. I'm sorry, but it's full of inconsistencies and I just think the marketing department is the wrong place to get confirmation on this kind of thing.

Edited by CatcherInTheWry on Nov 22nd 2023 at 11:08:07 AM

Honestly, yeah we shouldn't be taking sides on Bonnie's death unless more confirmation comes out. Maybe Monty intentionally murdered him; Maybe Monty is being framed by Roxy or Prototype Freddy or Mimic; maybe the bowling ball exploded. Right now the evidence is sort of all over the place because there's clues in both directions and the FNAF games are notoriously vague about these things.