Trope Idea Sounding Board

That just sounds like Book Burning, but with historical references thrown in. It could just be a Useful Notes page if it's actually important to media.

True, good point there; could work as Useful Notes, not sure which way works best.

x6 ah I see. I might start a draft for it later then, but I don't like having more than one project in TLP so I will hold off for now.

There is no doubt Savonarola was the Ur-Moral Guardian.

Many of the things we associate with The New Rock & Roll and Moral Guardians originated with Savonarola's Bonfire of the Vanities. He's practically the patron saint of moral guardians.

Should Savonarola be mentioned in The New Rock & Roll and Moral Guardians?

Edited by Nen_desharu on Feb 18th 2022 at 7:50:33 AM

It isn't "in-between" that I feel is missing so much as "different focus". I know how common it is to have the viewpoint characters only show up to the revolution when the violence is about to start (or only learn about the conspiracy when it's on the verge of success, depending on the story), for the sake of tension and spectacle, but I would be incredulous if no one has ever looked for anything compelling in any of the work people were already doing before that - mutual aid, group coordination, public trust and awareness, sousveillance, legal protection, sabotage, refugee smuggling, and all the other kinds of underground infrastructure that ensure people have functional community services whether the status quo gets blown up or put down. (I have also been thinking about Writers Cannot Do Logistics.)

I heard Gabii created a YMMV Trope on the Trope Launch Pad called Creator Golden Age. Maybe I could do the exact opposite!

That would be a complaining YMMV, and not only do we not really want any more of those, but I'm 90% sure that's covered by Dork Age

I think I get what you're trying to get across. One idea that may work then would be a trope that depicts revolutionary groups as genuinely good for their community. This goes a step farther than Your Terrorists Are Our Freedom Fighters (and may exist at the same time as that) since it's not just saying that "depending on what side you're on, you may view revolutionary groups as good or bad", it's a depiction that focuses on how even if perceptions of the group differ, the groups are objectively helping and serving the people by providing the public goods/services traditionally offered by the gov't that the gov't refuses to provide to its populace or doesn't have the means to do so (through the specific actions you pointed out).

Neighbourhood-Friendly Gangsters is the trope that's closest to that idea and may actually cover a lot of what you want to discuss. That said, that trope is written from the perspective that these community-serving actions are mostly done for practical reasons and not really altruistic ones; and the focus is on the portrayal of this gang to other gangs, not the contrast of helpful but technically criminal orgs (a revolutionary group often has to break existing law to cause a revolution) and malevolent or indifferent to the suffering of civilians government institutions. So I can see the use for a new trope to cover what you're talking about.

Edited by amathieu13 on Feb 19th 2022 at 9:28:50 AM

You mean Audience-Alienating Era?

Dork Age is now a redirect to Audience-Alienating Era.

Is the idea of Lightning Strikes The Grave worth it? A lightning strikes the grave, often to signify or cause the resurrection of someone. I can only come up with examples from Super Castlevania IV and Splatterhouse: Wanpaku Graffiti right now.

That looks interesting, maybe it could be a subtrope for Lightning Can Do Anything.

What do you think of a Trivia trope about works that were stolen? Like The Mona Lisa?

Edited by good-morning on Feb 20th 2022 at 1:09:07 PM

I don't think we have enough Art work pages to make exclusive tropes for them, maybe more as a Useful Notes page. You can still go ahead.

Edited by Amonimus on Feb 20th 2022 at 10:29:14 PM

No opinion on , but concerning , the lack of work pages (as opposed to the works themselves) isn't a reason to not have tropes about the works. That's what the Red Link policy is for.

Good idea. I think Wikipedia could be your best mate there.

Anyway, could a possible idea be an episode where someone is introduced to a new piece of technology and the episode focuses on its impact on the persons life. Could be used to deliver An Aesop on how Ludd Was Right and too much technology is bad.

Edited by HoloMew151 on Feb 21st 2022 at 9:23:57 AM

amathieu - Yes exactly! I forgot Neighbourhood-Friendly Gangsters existed but I've been thinking about this as Friendly Neighbourhood Anarchists in my head because Spider-Man; maybe something like Underground Social Services might be more specific though, depending. Back-Alley Doctor is probably relevant (offhand, Monster, Hotel Artemis, Johnny Mnemonic have organisations that would fit both if I remember right). If I can find enough examples for it, of course.

(Spinning off from what you said, though, I also wonder if there aren't more stereotype-tropes that are more extensive than documented - thinking of the obnoxiously literate anarcho-syndicalist commune from Monty Python, or Fallen London's factionalisation of the Tracklayer's Union into "no gods no masters no matter what", "fully automated luxury Neath communism" - do we have a trope for "better tech will fix everything" futurism? - and "we wouldn't need to revolt if just we had anywhere else to move to". But that's a side thought.)

Edited by Noaqiyeum on Feb 22nd 2022 at 12:43:12 PM

"Myth Of Progress" comes to mind as a phrase?

Was inspired by Lots And Lots Of Characters and not sure if "many locations" is a trope... Even in Sandbox games...

The Elder Scrolls like games have Lots And Lots Of Locations and everyone has at least one person...

Same with Breath of the Wild.

I remember seeing a TLP draft years ago about location sheets, similar to character sheets, but it never went anywhere. Loads And Loads Of Characters is TRS right now, so I think Loads and Loads of Locations would have similar issues.

I know it's out of season, but would a "Holly is Mistletoe" trope be something worth pursuing?

Y'know, maybe, it's definitely one of those stock visual shorthands / Coconut Effect tropes.

Wide-Open Sandbox is often used as that concept (the description has a different focus) and Skyrim with BOTW are classified as one.

Absolutely, that's definitely a thing. It's even in the page image for Under the Mistletoe, and mentioned in the trope description.

Last page I posted my trope idea asking if it was tropeworthy, but it was ignored. So let me repeat it.

The trope I had in mind is a subtrope of Common Knowledge about how there are multiple cases where a character design is misinterpreted over and over by fans because they took an Off-Model shot of that character as their official model.

Does that happen often? I can't think of any examples myself. I do know of examples of fans arguing over character design in general, though.