Hindsight Cleanup

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×6 Political protests existed before 2020, so I'd support cutting the last part.

×4 See the two posts above. Sounds like they're basic actor mortality examples anyway.

×3 Respectively:

• Not sure what the Heartwarming example is saying
• The Harsher refers to two events in the series, so it might be good.
• The first two Hilarious examples are actor garbage, and so is the last one
• The connections for the Charmed example are a girl named Prudence (not exactly the rarest name in the world) and someone with psychic powers getting visions (I think). It's probably safe to cut it
• The American Horror Story example belongs on this page instead (although it's probably just more actor garbage).
• Likewise, the Blackcoat's Daughter example isn't anything in hindsight for Chilling Adventures of Sabrina

Would it be too soon to add anything under "Harsher than hindsight" regarding Marilyn Manson lately?

Depends on what the example is.

Reposting from a few pages ago so it doesn't get lost:

Bringing up the following example from Armor Wars:

• Harsher in Hindsight: The conflict between Iron Man and Captain America turns out like this, considering their conflict between their ideals in Operation: Galactic Storm (it actually comes up in the epilogue for that event), and for modern readers, it is very hard to see their interactions without thinking about Civil War.

Need assessment of these WebAnimation.Hololive examples:

• Hilarious in Hindsight:
  • In mid 2020, Subaru on a collab stream made a controversial opinion that spending money on gacha games is a somewhat pointless endeavor since it's "just a card," much to the ire of Fubuki and Suisei, the two most notorious gacha "whales" from the JP branch. Come January 2021, Subaru makes an in-app purchase on Granblue Fantasy while completely in denial about what she had just done.
  • During Hololive's cover of Ochame Kinou, Marine said "Oh my God!" in a similar manner to (Part 3) Joseph Joestar. Come January 2021, Marine made a cover of "BLOODY STREAM", the OP of the Part 2 anime where Joseph is also the main protagonist of.

That's a zero-context example. It says nothing about how the conflict between the two ended or what it has to do with Operation Galactic Storm or Civil War.

These are on Brooklyn Nine-Nine, this under Hilarious in Hindsight:

• In "The Box", Holt argues with a murder suspect about doctorates, ranting that medical practitioners co-opted the word "doctor". In 2020, Wall Street Journal columnist Joseph Epstein came under fire for an article criticising First Lady Jill Biden for calling herself a doctor, saying that it's not valid as she is a Doctor of Education.

And this under "Funny Aneurysm" Moment:

• On a similar vain, the show has rarely shied away from mocking the many flaws of police culture among their leadership, showcasing both Holt's experience rising up the ranks and how easily he could be pushed out, or figures like the Vulture, Commissioner Kelly, and Wuntch, who act as a toxic influence on those below them (indeed, when the Vulture was their captain, he was shown explicitly stopping them from doing their jobs, while Wuntch has frequently abused her power for her petty rivalry with Holt), and while the main cast are overall among "the good ones", they're not above some shockingly unethical behaviour (such as Jake and Amy's arrest number bet, or the Comedic Sociopathy of the Halloween heists). This takes a harsher turn after the 2020 BLM protests drew more attention to the American Policing system's flaws, including many former officers coming forward and speaking out about the toxic work culture endemic across police unions across the country (though, NYPD was among the worst), that squeeze out "good apples" that try to fix things from within, and actively encourage the kind of toxic behaviour that has overtaken the system. The show's comedy becomes Harsher in Hindsight as it becomes rather unrealistic that a department as idealistic and good-natured like the Nine Nine would survive the supervision Holt has to contend with.

B99 is barely older than the BLM movement. Its references to police brutality were referencing the same brutality that exists today. There was a Broken Base over whether the cop show premise was in poor taste even before George Floyd's death.

What do you think about the gargoyles examples https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=15816392660A25032600&page=113#comment-2801

On Harsher, i think the Twin Towers is a keeper.

This is on Stuart Little:

Harsher in Hindsight: The movies take place in New York City, each one opening up on a shot of the New York skyline. The first film, released in 1999, features many prominent shots of the World Trade Center. Cut ahead to the sequel, released in 2002, and the first shot we see is of South Manhattan, with the Twin Towers absent. Damn.

That's not even really Hindsight. I'm usually lenient on Twin Tower examples but this doesn't even have them get destroyed.

It's just "In this movie that came out before the Twin Towers fell, we see the towers. Then in this other movie that came out after they fell, they're gone." Yeah, no shit, that's how time works.

These are on Jimmy Neutron: Boy Genius under Harsher in Hindsight:

• "Well, except for policemen. They're there to help." Are they, Hugh? Are they?
• This is the most positive portrayal of Jimmy and Cindy’s relationship. The show would portray it more negatively.

First one, police brutality existed already back then. Second one sounds more like Characterization Marches On.

Jimmy and Cindy still didn't like each other much in the movie, and in the show they actually began to like each other more after Character Development. Plus their dynamic was mostly comedic/very rarely heartwarming, not harsh.

Did they forget about the island episode? They were pretty close in that one.

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Edited by Bootlebat on Feb 4th 2021 at 7:47:50 AM

This is from "Funny Aneurysm" Moment under Music:

• Another Billy Joel example, the chorus of “We Didn't Start The Fire” (“We didn’t start the fire/It was always burning since the world’s been turning/We didn’t start the fire/No,we didn’t light it but we tried to fight it”) could be considered this due to climate change.

Might be Zero Context?

This is on Sabrina: The Animated Series:

• Harsher in Hindsight: The episode Pet Peeved has Sabrina adopting an adorable pet that turns out to be a monster, with Salem trying to tell her that it's evil, but Sabrina doesn't listen to him and shows him No Sympathy despite his troubles and doesn't give him a proper apology or even thank him when it turns out to be a monster and he saves her. Sound familiar?

Bringing up the following examples from Years and Years:

• Harsher in Hindsight:
  • There is reference to a new pandemic, Monkey Flu, likely based on pandemics such as Swine Flu and Bird Flu. However Coronavirus the following year has been far more serious then the scenarios here.
  • Donald Trump nuking the Chinese on his last day in the Oval Office is terrifying enough in fiction. It got ten times harder to watch when after the violent assault on the US Capitol building in Washington DC in January 2021, two weeks before Trump's actual last day in office, leading US politicians inquired at the Pentagon how they could wrestle Trump's control over the nation's nuclear arsenal away from him because they were actually afraid he might do something like this in real life.

The song has nothing to do with climate change; i.e., it's a stretch.

If the connection is referring to that one SpongeBob episode everyone hates...    No.    Cut it without mercy.

The first is a COVID shoehorn and the second is a Trump-based stretch, neither of which are allowed.

That's quite some Fan Myopia if it expects everyone to make that connection between Sabrina and Sponge Bob.

Edited by PlasmaPower on Feb 5th 2021 at 12:07:46 PM

If anything, it just proves how overblown the hatred to that episode was when it's a fairly common plot.

I mean, all I could think after reading that entry was "'Sound familiar?' No."