The purpose of this thread is to discuss issues of YMMV policy and maintenance on a Franchise/Work/Instalment/Episode/Issue level, as well as discussing which items go on which YMMV page.

Edited by SkyCat32 on Jun 17th 2020 at 6:58:29 AM

I definitely agree that character-specific tropes such as those those should be on the overarching YMMV page.

What about narrative specific tropes?

So, ~Aukefi, ~Willbyr, ~War Jay 77, ~Brainulator9, ~gjjones, what do you guys think? Should narrative specific tropes go on the work wide YMMV in addition to the episode specific YMMV? Or should they be on the recap YMMV only?

"narrative specific" tropes?

Such as They Wasted a Perfectly Good Plot, Arc Fatigue, Author's Saving Throw, Big-Lipped Alligator Moment, Idiot Plot, that sort of thing.

Edited by SkyCat32 on Nov 13th 2019 at 4:31:33 AM

If they apply to only one episode, I'd say they can go on its Recap subpage; if multiple episodes have them, they need to go to the work's main YMMV page.

Pretty much how I feel.

I agree with ~Willbyr

If a narrative trope happens only in what the recap is covering, then it goes there, else, it should go to the general YMMV page. Like, if Informed Wrongness only happens in one episode, it goes in that episode's YMMV, if the same thing happens in various episodes, it should go on the general.

Also, when and where did I ask that, ~Sky Cat 32? I don't recall.

Edit: Character YMMV Tropes should depend on whether it was something that happened only in that episode or not. Like if a character acts as a Designated Hero, but only during one episode, it should go on that episode, not on the general YMMV.

Edited by Aukefi on Nov 13th 2019 at 2:34:13 AM

I say it depends on the following factors:

• Whether all episodes have their own pages. If so, put the tropes on the episode's page and the trope's page.
• Whether the trope's page has split off examples from a specific franchise/work. If so, list examples on both pages unless the section is long enough that we can point them to the work/trope page or if No On-Page Examples or Flame Bait with on-page examples are involved.

I made an Ask the Tropers thread to this point regarding JoJo's Bizarre Adventure subpages earlier this year, but got no response. I plan to split off Memes/ subpages for each part, as I did with parts 4 and 5. In addition, YMMV.Jo Jos Bizarre Adventure Battle Tendency currently opts to point people to the dedicated section on HoYay.Jo Jos Bizarre Adventure.

You removed an approved Complete Monster entry from the main YMMV for Love, Death & Robots, and you moved it to a recap where the character appeared. You forgot to leave an edit reason, however, and I misunderstood your intentions. That said, I still think certain character YMMV items, such as Base-Breaking Character, Complete Monster, Ensemble Dark Horse, Magnificent Bastard, The Scrappy, and The Woobie should be on both the recap and work YMMV pages, or the proper subpages, because those tropes are only listed as straight examples.

If there is even one of these characters which fits the above tropes, they should have an entry on the main YMMV, and also the recap YMMV, in my opinion.

Designated Hero, Designated Villain, and other tropes that are more fluid may have more leeway regarding whether they appear on the main YMMV.

Edit: That said, if a series has multiple installments, and a character fitting one of the above reactions appears only in that installment, their full entry should be on the series wide YMMV, and the YMMV for the installment.

Edited by SkyCat32 on Feb 5th 2020 at 6:48:54 AM

With regards to narrative specific tropes, I think I agree with Willbyr, that if each episode has a recap, the YMMV items specific to that episode from a narrative standpoint should stay on the recap YMMV only, unless there is a subpage devoted to said YMMV items.

I say they should go to both the work's main YMMV page (or, in some cases like, say, Criminal Minds, the appropriate CM page), AND, if it's for a specific episode, that ep's YMMV.

I mean to say that if there isn’t a subpage, the entries from separate episodes should be listed in the series wide YMMV like Haman’s entry at The Bible.

~ACW, ~Willbyr, ~War Jay 77, it is my understanding that if there are 6 examples or less of a YMMV item for a work/franchise/series wide YMMV, the full entries should be written out, with the name of the instalment/episode/season/issue given in the global YMMV, but not the instalment/episode/season/issue specific YMMV, is that not correct? I just want to clarify the policy.

For example:

Series Wide YMMV:

• X, from Season X/Episode X, is a ruthless bank robber...

Recap YMMV:

• X is a ruthless bank robber...

See, that works for stuff like, say, The Twilight Zone (1959); but for, say, Far Cry, I have:

• Complete Monster: Hoyt Volker; Colonel Ike Sloan; Yuma Lau; The Cook. See those pages for details.

Chiming in to say that anthology series, like the aforementioned Love, Death & Robots and Black Mirror should get their own subpage entries unless the YMMV item has to do with the overall release, since all the episodes are standalone and feature separate characters and plots (I previously suggested that the episodes all get Recap/ pages, and I guess individual subpages like YMMV and Characters spawned out of this).

Edited by Synchronicity on Apr 5th 2020 at 12:12:45 PM

I believe that's correct, yes.

I have a feeling that the discussion will not stop here. How is the following for a forum header?

Also, should we move this to LT/P?

Edited by SkyCat32 on Apr 24th 2020 at 12:38:31 PM

I would like more input on my latest proposition above. ~Willbyr, ~gjjones, ~rjd1922, what do you think?

Looks good to me.

Sounds good to me.

That seems solid to me.

Great. I have now pasted the new thread header, and hollered for an update.

I also like it.