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On How to Write an Example:

• Do Not Group Tropes under a supertrope header. Among perennial problem children in this regard are tropes like Badass and Five-Man Band. List each individual trope example separately in its proper order. There's a section in Example Indentation in Trope Lists covering this case.

Since Badass is no longer a trope, shouldn't it be removed?

Keet cleanup

We could add to not use indexes either, and replace Badass with something like Video Game Settings (which is very often misused that way).

Good idea.

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Some supertropes are also indexes, though. Like Everyone Has Standards.

Right; but that's a different case, as they're still tropes that just happen to feature an on-page subtrope index; unlike actual indexes, which aren't tropes. If we say "don't use indexes", people will probably understand that we mean actual indexes.

Edited by WarJay77 on Feb 14th 2020 at 3:02:15 PM

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Indexes can have sublists. That's not relevant to the issue above. Badass is such a classic example of misuse, but it's fine to replace that with something else. Time Travel is one that shows up a lot.

Edited by Fighteer on Feb 14th 2020 at 3:33:03 PM

"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"

The Video Game Settings idea is my favorite replacement suggestion, as I see it used constantly in this "here's a sublist of video-game setting tropes" way.

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There's some discussion here on if index-only supertropes should have a distinct list that separates them from large supertropes with examples that don't fit the subtropes.

Link to TRS threads in project mode here.

I'm unclear what you are asking.

• An index should never have examples, nor be used in example lists.
• A supertrope may have examples if they don't fit any of its subtropes. The subtrope should be used in place of the supertrope when applicable. Do not list both.
• A supertrope article may have an indexed list of subtropes and a non-indexed list of examples, which should be separated by header (!!) markup.
• A work's example list should have one trope per first-level bullet, with no exceptions.

Edited by Fighteer on Feb 14th 2020 at 3:39:56 PM

"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"

Who are you responding to, Fighteer? I didn't ask any question about supertropes, and Crazy was just wondering if there should be a special list of no-example-supertrope pages to make it clear that those indexes shouldn't be used as tropes. (At least, I think that's what they're asking about, after skimming the thread they linked.)

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Oh, my bad. Thought we were talking about Example Indentation rules. What, exactly, is the difference between an "exampleless supertrope" and an index, other than semantically?

"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"

Nothing; but people use them as tropes.

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The difference between an index and a supertrope is that the latter is a trope, meaning it has some kind of narrative value. Most indexes are about things that are People Sit on Chairs on their own, but connects many tropes together.

An exampleless supertrope should not have examples on work pages.

"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"

Anyway, the original point I was trying to make is that since I've seen a lot of this:

• Video Game Settings:
  • Green Hill Zone
  • Lethal Lava Land
  • Slippy-Slidey Ice World

Moving the Badass wick to Video Game Settings on the Indentation page would be very helpful. Another common and problematic trope is Elemental Powers, which gets used in a similar way.

People shouldn't be doing it this way, but they do, so making this clearly against the rules would help. However, since Video Game Settings is an index, maybe Elemental Powers should be used instead?

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Yes, I was obliquely encouraging more discussion on the Example Sectionectomy thread. If these tropes shouldn't have examples listed on work pages, then we should have a rule that we can point to when saying we shouldn't have examples. I see merit in distinguishing between exampleless supertropes and Definition-Only Pages.

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Regardless on the index-only issue, I support EP being a go-to example over Video Game Settings because EP isn't medium-specific, so it is more likely to be (mis)used.

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I don't think this got much attention; are we agreed/resolved to add this rule? I'm in favour of adding and would recommend three tropes to be used as anti-examples; a setting/genre index, a page labeled index, and one with a name that could be mistaken as a trope (such as Badass).

Link to TRS threads in project mode here.

Any further improvements to First Person Writing needed?

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I don't see any problems with it.

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Looks good to me.

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Looks good.

Contains 20% less fat than the leading value brand!

Guess it's time to officially make Administrivia.First Person Writing.

By the way, now that we have decided ROCEJ sinkholes like "That's all we'll say about that" (and other synonymous phrases) should be deleted, does that also include the phrases themselves? I'm thinking of branding such lines as Word Cruft, and potholing them to Rule of Cautious Editing Judgement as its own type of Sinkhole.

Limpin' with the bizkit.

Don't forget to make Administrivia.This Troper a redirect.

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At work, but saw ~MacronNotes mention that How to Create a Work's Page needs some updating, so lets do that.

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Oh thanks but I was talking about Work Pages Are a Free Launch though. But maybe that page has some issues I didnt catch

I kinda think the article is still a little to biased against works being in the tlp. Yes it says in the name that they are free to launch but still.

Also, I never heard of the mods saying that people that just post Work Pages Are a Free Launch on work drafts get suspended for that. Its not helpful yeah but I don't think that is insta-suspension territory. That's too harsh for something like that and I never saw it happen soo

Edited by MacronNotes on Feb 29th 2020 at 6:56:15 AM

Macron's notes

I don't think it ever happened, but spamming it every time a work page is put in the TLP is a problem, so do it consistently enough and it might constitute a suspension if someone just refuses to stop. But that's drastic.

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