So Bad It's Horrible Cleanup

• reads the plot of Heathers* OK, so I've never watched the original movie and only have a vague idea as to what it's about, but the actual hell is that series?

(Note: not intended as a vote for or against sticking it on SBIH, though I'm great with it if it is agreed that it's universally hated. It's just my kneejerk reaction to whoever thought it was a good idea to depict a bunch of minorities as evil school bullies oppressing the thin white students.)

If nothing else, it certainly sounds like it passes "do even people who would support its message hate it" test, since it sounds like everyone across the political spectrum hates it.

I know Heathers has fans for both the film and the musical, but I've no clue if there's any fans of the series. From what I've read, it seems to qualify.

Edited by FernandoLemon on Oct 23rd 2020 at 8:06:08 AM

Even fans of the film and musical hate it because it completely misses the point of the original plot. It also had some airing issues due to being constantly postponed in the wake of several mass shootings, which could be relevant somehow.

I've looked at Rotten Tomatoes, just to be sure. The Critic score was 21%, the Audience score was 55%. Both are still pretty bad, and from the positive reviews, I gathered that most either didn't get the message and glossed over the Unfortunate Implications, or treated the show as So Okay, It's Average.

It's hard to call either of these people "fans", though. The only people who to tolerate the show seem to be unattached, middle-aged folks, which is most likely the same group responsible for the show's existence.

...Okay, I'm inclined to support adding it, but in light of your comments about Cats defenders earlier, the above is pretty troubling. Stop delegitimizing fans of works you're trying to add - it really makes it look like you just want to add them because you personally hate them.

I'm sorry, but I genuinely don't understand their arguments.

The positive argument I've heard is that it's a "clever" social commentary, when it was widely criticized becaus the social commentary made no sense.

Regardless, it was negatively received by the majority. I'm just pointing that out.

Cats has too many So Bad, It's Good fans to add it, which I haven't seen for Heathers. If there are actual Heathers TV fans, they're great at hiding but it does complicate things. But that rating still doesn't sound like anybody really enjoyed the show. Is there more detail on the show's quality issues beyond being offensive? I've heard the writing is generally poor and unrealistic too.

Edited by mightymewtron on Oct 24th 2020 at 2:29:27 PM

If we go by Sarah Z's video, the actors playing Veronica and JD are pretty bad, especially JD, due to his tendency to mumble, which is supposed to be intimidating, but just comes across as silly.

Besides, as said before, the show completely misses the point of the original. The Heathers are supposed to be powerful on their own merits, but still have enough vulnerability to feel human.

The "Peathers" (Paramount Heathers) are only powerful due to mixture of Political Correctness Gone Mad and "oppressing" the other students by pointing out that someone wears a mildly racist shirt. It's just... silly, especially when we're supposed to find Veronica and JD planning to murder them understandable.

The characters feel like SJW-mocking caricatures, rather than real people, and the bad acting from our two leads, along with the In Name Only representation of the source material pretty much guarantees that few will find it enjoyable.

I watched the Sarah Z video and she does describe it as genuinely poorly-written and poorly-acted, even if you can get past the offensive premise, so I'd be okay with having it on the page.

Are the Rotten Tomatoes/Metacritic scores bad enough to justify having it on the page? That's the only possible issue I can think of.

User-generated reviews can be spammed. I wouldn't necessarily trust those.

And it isn't immune to The Wiki Rule, but IDK if that's a mitigating factor.

Something having a wiki doesn't preclude it from being SBIH; hell, fucking Sonichu has a wiki.

TBF, Sonichu's wiki is pretty much just a CWC wiki.

The Sonichu hatedom is terrifyingly devoted to their hatred of both the work and its creator.

... None of which has much to do with the question of whether the Heathers remake is SBIH.

Should the Cannes cut of The Brown Bunny be here?

It's explanation is vague, and the closest thing to a linked review is a sentence stating that Roger Ebert called it the worst film he saw at Cannes. The theatrical cut is stated to be fine, and there seems to be no indication that the Cannes cut aired outside the festival.

On the topic of Cannes, could "The Last Face" and "Mektoub My Love: Intermezzo" be added? Both are considered the worst Cannes films in their respective years, they have the reviews to show it, and neither have been vindicated yet (Unlike The Brown Bunny).

Edited by magnumtropus on Oct 26th 2020 at 7:54:40 AM

Does Fast & Furious Crossroads qualify? From what I've seen it just seems to be a bog-standard below-average Licensed Game released for full price, no more, no less. Minimme didn't seem to think it was too bad.

At the very least, the massive Wall of Text in the note note can go:

• The game's barely existent plot feels incredibly rushed, with cutscenes that offer little to no context as to what's going on with characters disappearing and reappearing out of nowhere, original characters with little likability or personality to them who take up far too much screen time compared to Letty and even Dominic Toretto, the primary character of the entire franchise,^note Vienna is just some Sassy Black Woman whose entire motivation becomes an insufferable example of Revenge Before Reason for two thirds of the game and gets a bit of background in only two or three scenes, the biggest backstory bomb dropping only at the very end of the game; Cam is an infuriating Creator's Pet, borderline Mary Sue, intended to represent nonbinary people and fails rather badly at such due to being a nigh-continuous, impulsive Jerkass to nearly everyone, including their own team, coming off as painfully passive-aggressive rather than charming, somehow able to solve problems that they probably couldn't (they placed a tracking device inside of Roman's car before the group dropped it off, despite Cam not even being there with the car when Dom met up alone with Roman - nor had it been established that Cam even knew enough of the plan to add their own failsafe, ergo the tracking device was just a total Deus ex Machina - plus, Cam is the one who defuses the bomb strapped to Roman, when it's apparently just a velcro belt packed with dynamite, therefore literally anyone else could remove the bomb, meaning that it's just yet more pandering for Cam) among other scenarios), and never receiving any comeuppance for their obnoxious behavior and is instead built up as Dom's apparent pupil, despite them having no past history with him or the family apart from somehow knowing Dom's deeds with no explanation; Ormstied is a Generic Doomsday Villain who wants to Take Over the World For the Evulz with no backstory to be told, having no charm beyond Bond Villain Stupidity and a giant Cool Tank; his son Kai being even less than that; and Sebastian is just there to drop exposition with a goofy accent and then die [...]

Steam reviews indicate "mostly negative." Still not "overwhelmingly negative," and if there are still enough positive reviews such as the one by the aforementioned You Tuber then I think it can go. If it is decided it can stay, the wall of text can definitely be cleaned out.

EDIT: The entire entry appears to be a wall of text. If we keep it, it should at least be trimmed down.

Edited by themayorofsimpleton on Oct 27th 2020 at 7:44:07 AM

Good God, that is terrible. My instinct is to cut it and let the troper who added it come here to make their case if they want - preferably without the Bold Inflation when they do.

Could Sadak 2 count as SBIH? Its trailer is the second most disliked video on Youtube of all time, and the Imdb and Google scores are 1.1 and 1.2, though both were subject to massive review bombing. It's clear the film has a massive Hatedom, but all 8 professional reviews of it on Rotten Tomatoes are also rotten, so critics didn't like it at all either.

Looking it up (never even heard of it until now), I think the trailer is more an unfortunate case of Overshadowed by Controversy, though if the film itself is that bad it could probably go here.

Edited by SpongeBat1 on Oct 27th 2020 at 6:11:19 AM

I'm inclined to keep the Fast & Furious game since it received poor Metacritic scores across all its versions (the PC version earned a 34/100, a 35/100 on PS4, and a 49/100 on Xbox One). The game also appears to have been a commercial failure, as the let's play by Critikal mentioned in the entry stated that the game's peak concurrent players on Steam was in the double digits.

Sadak 2 may count, because if the IM Db score is that low, it has no genuine defenders, something Gunjan Saxena and Khaali Peeli seem to have (btw, both movies are embroiled in the same controversy... the former was a acclaimed by critics while the latter is apparently So Okay, Its Average)

A 49/100 isn't that bad. Certainly not good, but much higher than certain other games.

How about The Last Days of American Crime, or The Tax Collector? The former even has a 0% critic score on Rotten Tomatoes and a 23% audience score.