Unreleased Work Page Cleanup (Speculation, Spoilers, ZCE etc.)

I would guess "no", as the three tropes on the page are speculation at this point. We have a release date, yes, but I don't think we have tropable content.

All three are uncited and the second example is ZCE

I messaged the creator to let them know. I also mentioned we’re talking about if the pre-release material is tropable.

I was wondering if anime adaptations of a pre-existing manga/light novel/game count as a future work, because I've added a lot of examples for the upcoming Winter/Spring anime seasons that mostly consists of adaptations. Is it okay if I include anime adaptations or just original anime, especially since the examples listed under the Anime & Manga section seem littered with animes most people won't even care for (especially the isekais).

If there's no evidence the work has sufficient Adaptation Deviation to count as own work, an adaptation technically doesn't count as an unreleased work since its content was long public.

Understandable. I'll remove any anime adaptations and sequel series' for the January/April 2024 lineup and put out a disclaimer stating "Anime originals only. Adaptations of pre-existing media like manga, light novels, and video games don't qualify unless the adaptation deviates heavily from the source enough to be considered its own thing. Sequels that aren't originals also don't count.". The only adaptations that could stay are Detective Conan Movie 27 (since the other films already have their own pages), Kaiju No. 8, Uzumaki, Time Patrol Bon, VTuber Legend, Witch Hat Atelier, and maybe Sand Lands; though I'm not sure about Black Butler: Public School Edition and Bartender: Glass of God since the latter is a remake and the former's anime is separate from the manga in terms of continuity. Also, looking at most of my submissions of some of the titles it's pretty clear that my spelling is terrible. 🙃

There's always scope for an adaptation to throw in a massive twist when everyone's expecting it to he faithful, of course.

But if pre-release marketing suggests it'll be the same plot as the original, that's what we go with as a starting point.

Yeah. With every manga/light novel-to-anime adaptation being cramped alongside the animes not based on a precedent IP in each season, it's kind of redundant to list adaptations of pre-existing source materials in Japanese media as "upcoming" when said source material has already gained traction, and how almost every anime adaptations follow the same path as their source material. Game-to-anime adaptations are sort of the exception, as most of them usually take liberties when adapting the game rather than keeping them the same, and more often than not they usually drift away from the source material and become its own thing, with the most prominent example being Pokemon. In that case, THE iDOLM@STER: Shiny Colors anime should still count as an upcoming work.

Also, the Black Butler Public School Edition season is actually an adaptation of the Public School Arc from the manga, so no, its not an upcoming work, just an adaptation of an arc that hasn't been adapted until now.

Okay I went ahead and removed all of the anime adaptations that weren't based on a video game (hence why I kept Shiny Colors), though I was unsure with some examples like Trapezium and Oomuro-ke since I've never actually heard of either of them until their movie adaptations were announced. I also kept the Ancient Legends donghua since chinese animated adaptations generally overshadows the source material like their Japanese counterparts.

EDIT: I added a disclaimer under the Film-Animated section for anime voices and updated my previous disclaimer on anime adaptations to include remakes. I also brung back the Trapezium and Oomuro-ke movies, but I'm still conflicted on whether or not they'll stray away from the source material, since all we got from those films are the teaser trailers. Even the only reliable sources I could find don't have a proper description about the two films. Is it okay if I hide them first before any updates can be made?

EDIT 2: I decided to keep the Trapezium and Oomuro-ke movies since their TVT pages of their source materials weren't made yet. Might want to redirect the films to their literately counterparts once the pages are made.

Edited by ToonAbby on Dec 18th 2023 at 10:23:43 AM

I've got a bit of a weird case. For Pokémon Scarlet and Violet, there's an as-yet unreleased event Pokémon Pecharunt. Mentions of its role seem to be getting hit with takedown requests, yet we still have it fully troped on the character page. Should we leave it up?

Brought it here even though it's not technically an upcoming work because this seems to be the closest place to the situation.

Edited by ShinyCottonCandy on Dec 19th 2023 at 4:36:54 AM

So...we move Sandbox.Future Works to Sandbox.Unreleased Works I believe?

I think so. And it sounds like a candidate for a move plus a redirect, at least in the short term.

Alright gonna ask in the page history move thread.

Creating a Work Page for an Upcoming Work and the pinned need to be changed accordingly then.

I noticed that the Kaiju No. 8 anime adaptation was removed when the page for Unreleased Works was moved from Future Works. I guess it being an adaptation might have been the cause of it, yet Time Patrol Bon and Witch Hat Atelier are still listed despite also being adaptations. What happened?

Probably removed in error, but adaptations don't tend to go on that sandbox unless they're expected to have significant deviations from the source material.

...but what about Time Patrol Bon, Dead Dead Demons Dededede Destruction (which should be updated considering the anike is now a two-part movie), and Witch Hat Atelier? They're both still there despite them being adaptations of mangas. Hell, I even re-added the Sand Lands example despite Sand Lands: The Series also being an adaptation and the tropes exclusive to the 2023 movie being listed on its source material's page?

And I wonder if anime remakes of mangas that already received adaptations like Bartender and One Piece qualify? (Especially since the latter's adaptation hasn't even ended yet)

Edited by ToonAbby on Dec 25th 2023 at 9:13:17 AM

"still listed"

That simply means someone forgot to remove them.

Edited by Amonimus on Dec 25th 2023 at 7:22:24 PM

I intentionally kept them on the page since there wasn't any updates about their adaptations at the time. But I guess I could do away with the non-Adaptation Deviation anime adaptations that aren't based on video games (THE iDOLM@STER: Shiny Colors), remakes of previously adapted anime (Bartender, One Piece, and Spice and Wolf), or a Non-Serial Movie (Doraemon and Detective Conan) to make the note look less hypocritical:

Manga/Light Novel-to-Anime adaptations currently listed on Unreleased Works

• Dead Dead Demons Dededede Destruction
• Oomuro-ke
• Sand Land
• Trapezium
• Time Patrol Bon
• Uzumaki (under the Anime/ namespace)
• Witch Hat Atelier

In the case of Ōmuro-ke and Trapezium, the reason I added them back, as mentioned on this thread, was because I was stressed out on whether or not they should count as being "separate from their source material to be considered an unreleased work" (the former because the movie added the "dear sisters/friends" subtitle at the end; the latter because the novel wasn't as popular prior to the movie's announcement).

Dec. 27 update: On the subject of remakes, Non-Serial Movies, and video game anime adaptations, I might have to update my commented-out disclaimers on the Anime and Manga and Animated Films categories from this:

to this:

(Also worth mentioning is that most remakes of animes tend to go on a more Truer to the Text approach if the previous adaptation was In Name Only, hence why some tropes exclusive to a specific anime remake are listed on the work's source material instead of having its own page, like Urusei Yatsura and Fruits Basket)

Edited by ToonAbby on Dec 27th 2023 at 5:19:45 AM

I've finally cleaned up all of the animes on Unreleased Works that weren't originals, Non-Serial Films, or have sufficient evidence of Adaptation Deviation (with heavy emphasis on sufficient), including Korean and Chinese animation. I also updated my commented-out disclaimers to correspond with this change.

Edited by ToonAbby on Dec 28th 2023 at 12:56:41 PM

I see someone else has already posted about it, but since they were ignored I will repeat the question with more detail.

Pokémon Scarlet and Violet have an upcoming DLC epilogue that will be available on January 11, 2024. It's entire content has already been hacked though, so someone thought to already add entries about it here. The new Mysterious Pokémon that will be revealed here already has an entry on Characters.Pokemon Generation IX Families, YMMV.Pokemon Scarlet And Violet mentions that Pokémon again (under spoiler tags) in a subbullet under Epileptic Trees and Trivia.Pokemon Scarlet And Violet has a subbullet under Content Leak describing everything featured in the epilogue, with no spoiler tags whatsoever.

Who put it there?