Are these Character Tropes?

Yeah, that's the thing; the point of a foil is that the characters highlight how different the other character is. It's explicitly about characterization through interaction.

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I'm not entirely sure what position you're taking, but pointing out that you posted while I was editing my post on the previous page.

Which means that "Alice is a Foil to Bob" is a ZCE, as is the inverse "Bob is a Foil to Alice"

It only works as an example entry if you fully explain how they relate and contrast to each other, and applies equally to both.

The Big Guy, OTOH, is more about how the character acts/interacts with the rest of the cast and the world in general. You can have a stand-alone TBG entry, without matching "Not TBG" entries on all of the other characters.

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RE: list of thread decisions. Was wondering about that myself. I note that the Characterization Tropes index exists, as does Archetypal Character index. I'm not sure how true some of the "Related to" listings on either are. Maybe they would be a decent starting point?

I'm taking your side, which is that Foil belongs on character pages.

Well... Yeah? Nobody said those ones weren't lacking context, but when contextualized they're character tropes.

Edited by WarJay77 on Nov 6th 2022 at 3:40:22 PM

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Thirded. I get Foil involves interactions, however, it also involves characters and their personality traits.

But where do you put it on a character page? Having duplicate entries in both Alice and Bob's folders just seems redundant. Same thing for Betty and Veronica, which does include character type comparisons, and Huge Guy, Tiny Girl, which is almost entirely visual.

Edited by underCoverSailsman on Nov 6th 2022 at 2:48:31 PM

I personally don't really care about redundancy as long as it makes sense.

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As long as both duo trope entries aren't ZCE's, I don't really care how they are written. They are characterization tropes. so they belong there.

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Reposting because I think it got lost in the Foil discussion.

• Mortality Ensues
• The "Nice Job" tropes:
  • Nice Job Fixing It, Villain
  • Nice Job Breaking It, Hero
  • Nice Job Breaking It, Herod
  • Nice Job Breaking It, Rivals!

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Should Final Boss, New Dimension be listed on the character folders/pages?

I feel like it blurs the line between being a trope of the Final Boss, while at the same time, being a battle/event/location trope.

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Not really, in my opinion.

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All of those tropes feel like plot tropes to me.

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I'd say that's mostly about the setting change, and "final boss" refers to when it happens rather than their characterization.

Agreed that mortality and "Nice Job" are plot events that happen to a character rather than an adjective to the character.

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I understand that death tropes usually go on the main page since they're not considered character tropes. Just want to confirm that this includes Plot-Triggering Death too? [edit] While I'm at it, Dying Declaration of Hate, Senseless Sacrifice and Too Good for This Sinful Earth too?

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Edited by Rhapsody on Nov 13th 2022 at 12:30:56 AM

That's correct. I considered disagreeing with Too Good for This Sinful Earth, but looking through the examples shows that in many cases it acts like a last-minute version of Plot-Triggering Death. I was thinking more of a Purity Sue character rather than how the impact of the character dying affects the rest of the story.

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While scrolling through the Characterization Tropes index I notice that Now, Let Me Carry You is listed, whose description starts with "a situation..." so I'm wondering if this is actually a characterization trope or not.

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It's a plot action, describing a, as you say, situation where a character who normally supports others needs support themselves. Not a character trope.

I didn't choose the troping life, the troping life chose me

That's what I thought, so if I remove it from that index?

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Is Forced Transformation a character trope?

No. It's something that happens onto a character. It's not something tied to the character's traits or personality.

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The Adventures Of Pinocchio has Mistress and Servant Boy on the Literature and the Characters, for the Maiden with Azure / Turquoise Hair.

Is it a plot? Or a Character Trope?

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Voice for the Voiceless is a character trope, right? "Alice speaks for Bob because Bob can't" seems pretty unambiguously about "Alice".

(In this case we're thinking of B-12 in Stray; they speak for the cat because the cat is a cat, and you can't interact with NPCs if B-12 isn't available to interpret.)

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I'd say that trope is about an interaction between two characters. Alice isn't "the voice" when theres no "voiceless" to interpret.

But you could apply that reasoning to, say, Love Interests too. You can't be a love interest without another character to take interest.

I'd say it is a trope that can be filed under a single character, but this is another case of the framing making a difference. You could frame the same general idea as "The Voiceless and Their Voice" instead, making it more of a group trope.

I guess "Voice for the Voiceless" allows for the "voice" to pair up with non-specific characters? E.g. The Lorax, who speaks for the trees. (Any trees?)

duo trope.

Edited by Twiddler on Nov 15th 2022 at 4:39:59 AM

I'm going to agree with Twiddler that it's a character trope, filed under the speaking character. It's a Characterization by Relation.

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Disproportionate Retribution? I'm kind of leaning towards no, but then again this could be one of those "do they do it once or do they do it multiple times" things.

Also while I'm here, is Evil Counterpart a type of Foil? By that I mean does it share the requirement that the two characters must interact to count?

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