Laconic Description Improvement

Laconic.Hollywood Nerd is really unclear. It basically boils down to "nerd stereotypes" or "people's perception of nerds", without actually describing what those stereotypes are. Also it doesn't seem to fit the description which is more like, "a nerd who doesn't look like a stereotypical nerd" (i.e. attractive).

I found this on Ethnic Scrappy:

This character is hated for being either based on racist stereotypes, or for simply being of a given race to begin with.

I think being an Ethnic Scrappy requires the character to be a racist stereotype, and that a character being hated just because of their race is ripe with Unfortunate Implications. Can I delete that last part?

You can delete that last part.

So the laconic on Best Known for the Fanservice contradicts what the main page says.

The main page says: "It could have had great humor, brilliant action sequences, diabolical villains or even philosophical ideas that could make you think. What everyone remembers, however, is the female lead's striptease in the Sweeps one year. Or, in an even more extreme case, a penis when it pops up on-screen. This trope refers to the actions of characters rather than characterization."

That seems to be implying that the movie has to have some standards of quality to hit the criteria of the trope. The laconic doesn't mention that at all, only saying: "The Fanservice (or Godzilla) is the part they all remember."

Edited by ReynTime250 on Nov 27th 2020 at 4:53:42 PM

Laconic.Forgotten Trope just reads "Tropes no one uses anymore", which is confusing because that also applies to Dead Horse Trope^note Not used due to being widely mocked, subverted, parodied, Dead Unicorn Trope^note Same thing, except it was never really a trope to begin with, and Discredited Trope^note Not used due to changes in society, technology, science, etc.. The laconic is missing an explanation on what makes a trope "forgotten", why they're listed there and not on the other indexes.

Now that I check, Laconic.Discredited Trope is also missing the explanation, though that's an easy fix. Opinions?

change "uses" to "remembers"?

Sure, I'll do that.

Apparently the note in Laconic.Mes A Crowd is so long it's interfering with page history. Anyone object to just cutting the damn note entirely?

Edited by WarJay77 on Nov 27th 2020 at 12:42:45 PM

Assuming the bug works the way I think it does, that would not actually fix it.

... Still, I wouldn't vote against removing it entirely.

...Damn glitches gonna glitch I guess. Still, that note is excessive and unnecessary as all hell.

Laconic.Plucky Middie is misleading. The trope is mainly about a character type, not nicknames.

Edited by jandn2014 on Dec 1st 2020 at 10:02:29 AM

Laconic.Big Sleep seems wrong? It's not Dies Eyes Shut, is it?

Given the page quote, it seems Big Sleep is Death Is Like Sleep or something?

Yeah, I'd say a better laconic would be just "Death looks like falling asleep".

I've literally got a potion of death called Big Sleep, so I want to make Big Sleep a trope that fits.

Like Sleep Death Euphemism.

Edited by Malady on Dec 7th 2020 at 12:03:35 PM

This is currently the Laconic for Retronym:

On its own, that is a valid example of the trope, but it's too restrictive IMO.

For example, The Chronicles of Riddick was named after its second movie, and everything else got a subtitle reflecting that (e.g. Pitch Black, the first movie, became "The Chronicles of Riddick: Pitch Black").

Retronym only actually means that a work's title was changed after the fact. Fire Emblem: The Blazing Blade was initially released in the US as just "Fire Emblem", and didn't get its official English subtitle until many years later. This, too, is a retronym.

So, I guess, "A work's title gets changed after release".

"A work's name is retroactively changed because it shares its name with something else, typically occurring to the first installment of a franchise."

Edited by NoUsername on Dec 9th 2020 at 9:06:21 AM

I need to figure out how to fit a Named After First Installment into the description then...

How about: "A work's name is retroactively changed to bring it in line with later installments."?

retronym can also occur to something that shares its name with an unrelated work, ex. Strife (now The Original Strife: Veteran Edition) and Strife (an unrelated MOBA)

Huh, I just discovered Franchise-Driven Retitling and The Original Series, both of which my laconic fits better.

Franchise-Driven Retitling doesn't appear to be a thriving trope, though...

Edited by Primis on Dec 10th 2020 at 9:38:37 AM

Proposed rewrite of Laconic.Beastars, which is currently a run-on-the-mill Recycled In Space statement:

A wolf student must solve a murder that has caused conflict between carnivores and herbivores in a World of Funny Animals, and develops feelings for a rabbit he has desires to prey on.

I'd like this to be more accurate and shorter if possible.

Edited by PrincessPandaTrope on Dec 15th 2020 at 6:19:23 AM

Laconic.Walking The Earth gives an incorrect definition. It's essentially describing Space Compression; the trope is actually about a character who wanders the Earth.

Laconic.Unbuilt Trope contains a Chained Sinkhole. How to revise this?

The trope is played with before it was even made.

Remove Codified atleast, because there's no good pothole for it...

Same with Ur-Example...

"Made" is the Trope Makers pothole...

Do that, and maybe this phrasing?

The comma breaks up the chain?

Edited by Malady on Dec 26th 2020 at 8:10:28 AM