Note: If a newly launched trope was already given a No Real Life Examples, Please! or Limited Real Life Examples Only designation while it was being drafted on the Trope Launch Pad, additions to the proper index do not need to go through this thread. Instead, simply ask the mods to add the trope via this thread
.
This is the thread to report tropes with problematic Real Life sections.
Common problems include:
- Conversation on the Main Page
- Flame Bait
- Squicky content
- Impossible in Real Life
Real Life sections on the wiki are kept as long as they don't become a problem. If you find an article with such problems, report it here. Please note that the purpose of this thread is to clean up and maintain real life sections, not raze them. Cutting should be treated as a last resort, so please only suggest cutting RL sections or a subset thereof you think the examples in question are completely unsalvageable.
If historical RL examples are not causing any problems, consider whether it would be better to propose a No Recent Examples, Please! (via this forum thread) for RL instead of NRLEP. If RL examples are causing problems only for certain subjects, consider whether a Limited Real Life Examples Only restriction would be preferable to NRLEP.
If you think a trope should be No Real Life Examples, Please! or Limited Real Life Examples Only, then this thread is the place to discuss it. However, please check Keep Real Life Examples first to see if it has already been brought up in the past. If not, state the reasons and add it to the crowner.
Before adding to the crowner:
- The trope should be proposed in the thread, along with reasons for why a crowner is necessary instead of a cleanup.
- There must be support from others in thread.
- Any objections should be addressed.
- Allow a minimum of 24 hours for discussion.
When adding to the crowner:
- Be sure to add the trope name, a link to where the discussion started, the reasons for crownering, whether the restriction being proposed is NRLEP or LRLEO (and in the latter case, which subject(s) the restriction would be for), and the date added.
- Announce in thread that you are adding the item.
- An ATT advert should be made as well (batch items together if more than one trope goes up in a day).
In order for a crowner to pass:
- Must have been up for a minimum of a week
- There must be a 2:1 ratio
- If the vote is exactly 2:1 or +/- 1 vote from that, give it a couple extra days to see if any more votes come in
- Once passed, tropes must be indexed on the appropriate NRLEP index
- Should the vote fail, the trope should be indexed on KRLE page
Sex Tropes, Rape and Sexual Harassment Tropes, and Morality Tropes are banned from having RL sections so tropes under those indexes don't need crowner vote.
Crowner entries that have already been called will have "(CLOSED)" appended to them — and are no longer open for discussion.
After bringing up a trope for discussion, please wait at least a day for feedback before adding it to the crowner.
NRLEP tag:
%%https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=13350380440A15238800
LRLEO tag:
%%The following restrictions apply: [list restriction(s) here]
%%https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=13350380440A15238800
Notes:
- This thread is not for general discussion regarding policies for Real Life sections or crowners. Please take those conversations to this Wiki Talk thread.
- Do not try to overturn previous No Real Life Examples, Please! or Limited Real Life Examples Only decisions without a convincing argument.
- As mentioned here, the consensus is that NRLEP warnings in trope page descriptions can use bold text so that they stand out.
- The [[noreallife]] tag doesn't currently work. This is a deprecated tag that was introduced many years ago — originally, it would have displayed a NRLEP warning banner when you edited the page. However, there's been some staff conversation (Feb 2024) about what a new technical solution might look like, so we'd advise against deleting these from pages, at least until we have a decision as to whether it'll be fixed or replaced.
Edited by GastonRabbit on Mar 8th 2024 at 10:49:13 AM
I'm helping!
The description of Mistaken for Terrorist contains the phrase "Unfortunately, this is Truth in Television (Real Life examples might double the page length or more)" which suggests it's meant to be NRLEP. But it's not listed on any NRLEP indices. Oversight?
Trouble Cube continues to be a general-purpose forum for those who desire such a thing.
Short-Term Projects herald
![[up]](https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/smiles/arrow_up.png "[up]"){kind=icon}
TBH, it looks like the sort of thing that shouldn't have Real Life examples.
No-lifer
You're right. But because ROCEJ is being applied there and there are no real life examples, it isn't a problem.
Short-Term Projects herald
According to the "Is this an example?" thread, some of examples on TheReasonYouSuckSpeech.Web Original contain Real Life drama importation: https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=13543987200A54420100&page=421#comment-10520
Given that we voted to keep real life examples on "The Reason You Suck" Speech, how should we go about this?
Contains 20% less fat than the leading value brand!
Sounds good on paper (he/him)
At the very least, I'm pretty sure troping forum users isn't kosher anywhere (the post you linked to covered such examples), even for tropes that aren't NRLEP or IUEO. I think the website cleanup thread cut some pages for that reason (though I don't recall the exact discussion).
Edited by GastonRabbit on Dec 2nd 2019 at 2:39:01 PM
Patiently awaiting the release of Paper Luigi and the Marvelous Compass.
No-lifer
I decided to create Sandbox.No Real Life Examples Please, which is about the same as the current version, but with some changes, most importantly that the tropes are listed in subpages instead of the page itself. I did this so we know what to do if Administrivia.No Real Life Examples Please gets bloated.
Limpin' with the bizkit.
Short-Term Projects herald
Personally, I'd rather just merge the lists together and then split them alphabetically, adding context as to why they were made NRLEP.
Also, the subpages should be in the Sandbox namespace too for now.
Contains 20% less fat than the leading value brand!
No-lifer
Got them "converted" to Sandboxnote . Sorry, didn't think to consult this thread first.
And you're meaning going back to the old way the NRLEP page was laid out?
Edited by FridgeGuy2016 on Dec 4th 2019 at 10:02:56 AM
Limpin' with the bizkit.
No-lifer
Now what about the main sandbox itself? What I did was erase the note just before the header (as newer tropers likely won't care about any older version of the description), added a line saying not to add items listed in No On-Page Examples or Definition-Only Pages (because those list pages that allow no examples at all, so listing them as NRLEP would be meaningless), and updated the note about [[noreallife]] markup to just say it appears when editing the pages in the subpages (As far as I know, the markup no longer shows a "No real life examples" warning).
Should I also add that exampleless pages should not be listed, either?
Limpin' with the bizkit.
Short-Term Projects herald
Personally, I believe that NOPE and DOP aren't mutually exclusive with NRLEP, since there's also the matter of things like wicks on Real Life sections and subpages, as well as Useful Notes pages.
Contains 20% less fat than the leading value brand!
No-lifer
Good point, I guess. But then that would mean every page that was given an Example Sectionectomy (a full one) would have to be listed as on NRLEP. I thought we didn't want that a while ago.
Speaking of wicks, perhaps we should add to the sandbox that these tropes should also not be wicked when the subject is a real life noun.
Limpin' with the bizkit.
Short-Term Projects herald
Yeah, and then we run into whether any of them can apply in Real Life, since a lot of these are narrative things.
Contains 20% less fat than the leading value brand!
The Draftsman of Doom
Reposting due to being overlooked. LaResistance.Real Life may not be a morality trope, but it seems a lot of those entries may be flame bait.
Accordingly, I question whether we should allow real life examples.
Rawr.
No-lifer
I know I said it isn't a morality trope, but if the resistance is specifically painted as the good side while the faction they are fighting against is the evil side, I take that back. It may be a morality trope after all. But is the flame bait caused by the fact that in real life, one person's good rebellion is another's evil rebellion?
The Draftsman of Doom
Yes. In any case, some are more obvious than others, but I have regularly found entries in violation of the rule of cautious editing judgement in that folder.
Edited by SkyCat32 on Dec 8th 2019 at 8:03:51 AM
Rawr.
Sounds good on paper (he/him)
Even if it's not technically a morality trope, morality is still a factor.
Patiently awaiting the release of Paper Luigi and the Marvelous Compass.
No-lifer
If there is so much flame bait on that page that It Is Beyond Saving, we'll add it to the crowner as a morality trope.
Limpin' with the bizkit.
The Draftsman of Doom
I'm not sure which of those examples, if any, are not ROCEJ violations.
Rawr.
No-lifer
I have crowned La Résistance.
Limpin' with the bizkit.
No-lifer
In the meantime, what other changes can be made to Sandbox.No Real Life Examples Please?
I'm thinking I should change NoRealLife.Tropes Attracting Flamebait Complaining And Natter to NoRealLife.Too Controversial, which is less wordy.
Edited by FridgeGuy2016 on Dec 9th 2019 at 4:19:26 AM
Limpin' with the bizkit.
I think La Résistance could do well with a rule similar to Oppressive States of America where we keep real life examples but with a time limit (no examples after the 60's, or something similar).
"It's just a show; I should really just relax"
No-lifer
I understand your point, but it's already on the crowner, so if it gets less than a 2:1 vote ratio, we could do that.
No-lifer
I'm gonna add this to the sandbox: The line about not adding the same trope to the NRLEP list more than once, and that if you are looking for a trope in there, you can press CTRL + F and type in the trope name.
Limpin' with the bizkit.
No-lifer
Also, we need to further discourage arbitrary additions. We should extend the warning not to add or remove tropes arbitrarily by saying that doing so repeatedly results in a suspension, or something along those lines.
Limpin' with the bizkit.
Crown Description:
Vote up to either forbid all real life examples (No Real Life Examples Please) or forbid real life examples for specific subjects (Limited Real Life Examples Only); vote down to Keep Real Life Examples. To add a trope to a No Real Life Examples Please index or the Limited Real Life Examples Only index, its crowner option must meet the following criteria:- Stable 2:1 ratio needed for NRLEP or LRLEO
- Must have been up for a minimum of a week
- If the vote is exactly 2:1 or +/- 1 vote from that, give it a couple of extra days to see if more votes come in.
Also, I'd like to point out that making tropes NRLEP has been done via TRS (that's what happened with Good Colors, Evil Colors and Yoko Oh No earlier this year), so if even fictional examples suffer from misuse, it might be worth saving the NRLEP discussion for the TRS thread.
Edited by GastonRabbit on Nov 28th 2019 at 3:50:24 AM
Patiently awaiting the release of Paper Luigi and the Marvelous Compass.