Real Life section maintenance (New Crowner 19 Feb 2024)

I see very few potential examples from outside real life, and it has no reason to stick around as a definition-only page, so it might take a trip to TRS once the backlog gets dealt with.

Re: Something on the previous page: I don't know if there's a Word of Mod statement either way on this (and/or a relevant Administrivia page), but my opinion is that if the launcher of a trope intends for it to be NRLEP and/or IUEO from the beginning, then they shouldn't need to go through this thread or TRS to get the trope put in those indexes.

Do note that I have little experience with TLP, so someone else might be more qualified to provide input on this.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Oct 15th 2019 at 4:28:53 AM

In my experience, that's true. If the people on a TLP draft agree there should be no real-life examples, the page doesn't need to go through the usual process.

I understand.

Any other tropes you are feeling doesn't fit in its current folder in NRLEP?

Edited by FridgeGuy2016 on Oct 15th 2019 at 5:33:03 AM

Book Ends. Was this voted on? It's not on the Sandbox page.

I noticed on the page's history that someone once deleted Real Life examples with this edit reason:

There is now a real-life sub-page BookEnds.Real Life (mostly restored examples, but not all).

I'm torn on this: I do think that this is a narrative trope and it should be intentional, on the other hand, I find some of the real-life examples rather beautiful. For example this one:

• Mark Twain was born shortly after the appearance of Halley's Comet in 1835. He often predicted he'd go out with it and did, dying one day after its reappearance in 1910.

What do you think?

Edited by XFllo on Oct 19th 2019 at 4:54:47 PM

Simply liking it isn't enough. It's a narrative trope and therefore should not have Real Life examples. Some of these also feel like violations of Examples Are Not General:

• Your parents take care of you when you're younger, and you usually end up taking care of them when they get older.
• An example pertaining to most people's days- they start and end in a bed.
• Many people are born in hospital rooms and die in hospital rooms.

• The planet Earth's very first moments manifested as a hellish, molten landscape, as will its final moments billions of years from now when the Sun reaches its 'red giant' phase.

• Should humanity go extinct, then many of our iconic buildings will actually deteriorate in the reverse order of how and when they were built: the more modern skyscrapers will be among the first to crumble away, while structures lasting since the ancient times (such as the Pyramids of Egypt) will take millennia to disappear.

That's not how it's done here. You can state your opinion, but this requires voting, usually on the crowner.

That said, I also favour zapping the real life section.

Edited by XFllo on Oct 20th 2019 at 3:16:50 PM

Thirded.

I meant that in a non-authoritative sense, but I see how my phrasing was ambiguous. My bad.

Yeah, and I also realized that it should have been read as an opinion/vote on the matter. Sorry.

I think that due to being a Morality Trope, Soft-Spoken Sadist should be NRLEP.

These are the only RL examples of the trope, but they do look bad.

• The (in)famous fire and brimstone preacher Johnathan Edwards often delivered his terrifying sermons in a calm, quiet voice.
• Pol Pot was by all accounts very calm and spoke with a soft voice.

And I must ask: Is it mandatory that tropes listed on NRLEP have to fit the folder they were placed in?

The last line is falling afoul of ROCEJ, pointing out a group like that, right?

Or maybe just the mention Current, bringing Time into this...

ValuesDissonance.Web Media:

Edited by Malady on Oct 27th 2019 at 2:56:02 AM

Values Dissonance is one of those tropes which by definition toes the line. The only problem I see there is the "current".

My God, What Have I Done? is supposed to be about someone committing a really awful act and then instantly regretting and trying to make up for it. Its Real Life section has examples of people regretting simply supporting something whose actions wasn't their fault or doing something that just had simply undesirable effects, both which can be easily brushed off.

If it matters, I just removed a Hate Dumb wick for being Flame Bait.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Nov 2nd 2019 at 3:29:48 AM

I just launched the "Half-Witted Hillbilly" trope, and preemptively placed it in NRLEP as it does deal with a stereotype that's more hurtful to some groups than a lot of people think.

I had it as NRLEP in the TLP and no one said anything, but I see there's some debate about how much permission is needed to do that.

Honestly, what RL examples would there even be that aren't either general or bashing?

See this comment on this very page.

You got me, I can't think of any non-bashing real-life examples either. But this is the Internet, after all.

(Someone in TLP did propose the outbreaks of pellagra in the South as a real-life example, but I'd say that was really reaching).

I did see that, but I'm still learning the ropes and was getting some mixed signals, so I merely wanted to show I was acting in good faith.

If a post from a mod is highlighted in red, that means it's an official statement. Since that was the case with the post from SeptimusHeap that Brainulator pointed you toward, you were acting in good faith.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Nov 5th 2019 at 11:22:59 AM

I have been going through, and I wonder if either God Is Evil or God Is Good are capable of having real life sections, considering that theology is a contentious debate in and of itself. Additionally, I think that calling either truth in television, when theology is a contentious debate, is stretching it a bit, although if the tropes are about people believing the premises of the trope, and not only that God is good or evil within the narrative of the story, then I can be a little more lenient on the truth in television thing. Real life does not have a single narrative, and the nature of God's morality is dependent on the perspective of individuals.

Ok.

Edited by SkyCat32 on Nov 6th 2019 at 7:16:35 AM

Neither has a Real Life section, and therefore no problematic entries. Since we try to avoid preemptive listings, there is no reason to worry about either of the.