Removing complaining, bashing and other negativity from the wiki

Is Do Not Do This Cool Thing at play with Squid Game?

I see no Do Not Do This Cool Thing at YMMV.Squid Game, so I'm not sure what do you mean.

I know, I'm asking if it should be based on the disagreement on if audiences who want to recreate the games are misaimed.

If you're asking for trope definition this is clearly the wrong thread.

Do Not Do This Cool Thing is a type of Broken Aesop, meaning the show tells something is bad, but accidentally leaves too much of a compelling reason to do it. Also see Misaimed Fandom.

I recommend continuing this question here and with full context example.

Edited by Amonimus on Jul 26th 2022 at 9:31:28 PM

They're not asking for a definition, they're asking if we should add a DNDTCT example to YMMV.Squid Game.

They'll have to provide an example of their own so others can check if can be added or not regardless, which I still don't think is relevant to "removing complaining".

My point is that if misaimed fandom is too negative, perhaps we should we work that observation into DNDTCT.

I don't think Do Not Do This Cool Thing really applies, because, from my viewing of Squid Game, it didn't really make the lethal competitions look like anything other than wholesale slaughter.

Also, Misaimed Fandom doesn't have to be a really negative thing. There is, objectively, a fandom for Squid Game that took away a message not intended by the work (that the games would be fun instead of ironically-juxtaposed horror), and objectively, this is a controversial thing in the fanbase.

It's kind of like how teen wanted to do The Hunger Games in the early 2010's.

Edited by mightymewtron on Jul 26th 2022 at 9:08:50 AM

Looking at Being Tortured Makes You Evil, isn't this description a tad snarky?

Need someone to Face–Heel Turn, but the individual is uncooperative? No worries, just strap them to a table and go to town for a while. That's right, if you inflict enough pain on someone, they WILL be consumed by hatred and turn evil. Somehow. Sometimes handwaved by throwing the word 'brainwashing' around, but more often than not, it comes down to this simple theory: Pain is bad, so if you add enough pain to someone, they become bad!

I can't remember if I've brought it up on this thread before (I know I have on the Unfortunate Implications cleanup and subsequently purged the worst examples), but Twilight is in major need of complaining and snark cleanup.

If my memory is correct, that page has loads of complaining, so I agree.

Make create a clean-up thread for it.

Sometimes I believe that alongside the "Works that require cleanup of complaining" sandbox we should have a "Tropes that require cleanup of complaining" page too. Expecially after my two main TRS requests this year began both after noticing that half of the on-page examples for both tropes were complaining.

I mean, if the trope is used for complaining when it shouldn't be, that's a TRS problem.

I came across this under Adaptation Induced Plothole. It's downplaying fairy tale variations that have different amounts of people in the castle/manor or just don't discuss it at all to play up something that's Fridge Logic, not a plot hole; it ignores Atlas' known worker abuse, and apparent exploitation of "legal slave"/child trafficking loopholes; it's ignoring the "Prince Charming" character being objectively troped as Unwitting Instigator of Doom (creating The Heavy) and To Be Lawful or Good (Lawful, which leads to the UIOD) because it's a theme in the show that good people doing nothing or the wrong thing can make situations even worse. So... the entry is ultimately complaining about a plot it didn't like.

• Cinder Fall's backstory in RWBY is a Whole-Plot Reference to the Cinderella fairytale but transplanting the classic story into the pre-established world of Remnant and other alternations made cause it to not make sense. In most versions of the story, Cinderella is made responsible for all the housework in her family manor that, while large, has only four people in it, while here, Cinder appears to be the only staff in a hotel that looks like it could hold dozens if not hundreds of guests. The world of Remnant is also established to have already had western-like laws and values (at least on paper) by that point in time, but the best solution the Prince Charming analogue in Cinder's backstory, a sympathetic huntsman named Rhodes, can think of for a girl who is enslaved and tortured by her guardians is to train her to be a huntress, instead of calling the police or social services. Said plan will also require Cinder to live with her guardians for several more years while she trains, even though Rhodes should easily be able to take her away to a better orphanage or family himself. In almost every other telling, the Prince has no idea the hell Cinderella is living in, and he still tries to marry her as soon as they meet.

Edited by Wyldchyld on Jul 27th 2022 at 7:03:34 AM

Cut it.

Bringing this up from Author Tract. I particularly think the "notes" are un-needed.

• The entirety of the infamous "Son of Stimpy" episode of The Ren & Stimpy Show is this. It's basically a half-hour author tract about what the author thinks is wrong with Hollywood drama; namely how he feels it relies more on cheap tricks and less on the interactions of the actual characters. To this end, the episode was intentionally written to be as unfunny and parodic as possible, all to show how easy he feels it is to create drama and pathos over something he feels has little to no real substance.^note To this end, it also crosses over with Writer on Board. The article in question has all of the "stinky" details ^note Including how the episode makes "fake pathos" the you-know-what of the joke...

Cut the notes then, they don't add much substance.

From SoYouWantTo.Write The Next My Little Pony Friendship Is Magic:

The Epic Fails

• The G3-3.5 Direct-to-DVD My Little Pony.
• My Brave Pony: Starfleet Magic.

Both are ZCE. G3-3.5 are already mention in the article explaining why they are failures, so it seems redundant an complainy (Epic Fail is no real life) to mention again here.

Brave Pony, which is a magnet for complaining, was made because the author stated they did not like the themes and tone of FIM thus the created this work of completely different, tone, themes, and genre. It seems like needless/shoehorned in complaining to use as and example for how to write something fitting FIM given it is meant to be a completely different kind of work.

I intend to delete the Brave example unless I hear otherwise. What if anything should be done about the valid but ZCE as written G3-3.5 example? And the epic fails section if both are invalid/should be cut?

I'm the one who added the RWBY entry after seeing multiple Youtube critics note the logical holes in the story. I felt there was enough Fridge Logic in the story to make it nonsensecical, and thus qualify as a plot hole, unaware that there are supposedly other adaptations with more people in the manor, and believing that slavery/child trafficking/torture was previously implied to be practiced in the show, but not legal (though we could dispute what the text says on that, and the thematic ties elsewhere). Fair enough, though, cut it for now.

I'd like to submit this: https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/YMMV/TheRWBYLoops because some entries such as Angst Dissonance, Ass Pull, Glurge, Idiot Plot and Ship-to-Ship Combat come across as a little to complain-y for my tastes.

Also for https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/YMMV/TransformersPrimeS2E20Legacy: The Unintentionally Unsympathetic should be removed.

So in Better Call Saul's Kim Wexler page, there's a foil entry that seems to be just using it as an excuse to bash Breaking Bad's Skyler. I do think they're foils, just not sure how to reword it:

To Skyler White. Both are the blonde-haired wives of their shows' main character, who get sucked into their husbands' criminal activities. But whereas Skyler won't accept even one shred of wrongdoing on behalf of Walt, Kim is seen to be endlessly understanding of Jimmy. Skyler immediately divorces Walter as soon as she suspects he's involved in drugs, whereas Kim is accepting of Jimmy's actions no matter how devious they seem to become, and even grows closer to Jimmy as opposed to Skyler who moves further and further away from Walt. Whereas Skyler has no tolerance, Kim's tolerance is unlimited. Morally, Kim is sympathetic toward Jimmy because she sees his personal anguish as more relevant than his actions being objectively wrong, whereas Skyler cares more about the objective appearance of maintaining a happy family and even at times ignores the personal reality of Walt's experience- even cancer is not an excuse for her. Whereas with Kim, if Jimmy was wrongfully betrayed by his brother, that's good enough for her. She cares more about the humanity than the objective appearances, the exact opposite of Skyler.

That's a definite cut, especially since it neglects that a big part of the reason Kim puts up with Saul is because she's an incredibly awful person.

Not an example, these are two different series and the two characters don't interact, therefore they cannot be foils.

From the trope descrption:

Edited by laserviking42 on Jul 28th 2022 at 2:43:09 PM

From the description of Tomorrowverse:

Since both the DCAMU and New 52 comics were considered a Broken Base amongst DC fans, many were quick to compare it to the DC Rebirth relaunch.

Maybe I it's just me but I don't see what mentioning that the previous universe is a Broken Base (which it is and a pretty big one) adds beyond complaining.

Maybe something like this would be better, gets the same point across:

Since this universe replaced the New 52 inspired DCAMU, many were quick to compare it to the DC Rebirth relaunch.

Thoughts? Is it just me that this reads like complaining?

Edited by Bullman on Jul 28th 2022 at 3:27:24 AM