Removing complaining, bashing and other negativity from the wiki

WTH, Casting Agency? seems to fit. It's supposed to be "How did this person ever get picked for the role in the first place?" The description even points out that sometimes the results are really great... but you still don't understand what the casting agency was thinking in the first place.

Dunno anything about the episode, but that sure does read like someone trying to make the wiki conform to their favorite ship.

So is the Ship Tease an unnecessary shoehorn or is the "subversion" an unnecessary contesting edit? Or both?

The pasted-on "subversion", I mean. I don't really know enough about Ship Tease as a trope to comment on the original example.

Overprotective Dad has this... interesting entry:

• Played hideously straight in Camp Lazlo. "Valentines Day" reveals that Commander Hoo-Haw is Patsy's father. All hell breaks loose when he finds the Valentine Patsy intended to send, and when Patsy refuses to name its recipient (Lazlo), he orders her to beat up every scout she DOESN'T love so he can punish the one she does. When she beats up everyone and claims the valentine was for him instead, Hoo-Haw's delight is... disturbing.

I'm not even sure if I'd quite call this complaining but I feel it needs a rewrite all the same.

Yeah, it's not complaining, but it's Good Ol' Troper Exaggeration. That might need a thread all its own. Either way, rewrite.

Edited by FishiousRend on May 9th 2021 at 8:59:53 AM

The following entry in Did We Just Have Tea with Cthulhu? has some rather questionable and irrelevant sentences, which I marked in bold:

• On a similar subject, The Legend of the Titanic. Honestly, once you get past the insult to tragic historical events, the Author Tract, the biological errors and implausibility, the idea of a giant octopus single-handedly (multi-tentacledly?) preventing one of the most massive ships ever designed from sinking is vaguely awesome.

Yeah, pull that bolded bit out.

Even with how everyone (rightly) can't stand J.K. Rowling now, this bit from the Harry Potter YMMV seems like a reach to me. Not everything is a dog whistle:

• The heroes' agressively refusing to use Voldemort's chosen name and isisting his birth name is his only "real" name is supposed to be an example of them throwing off their fear of him, but it just comes off as incredibly petty. Especially after Rowling's opinions about transgender people became widely known it's hard to see it as anything but actively malicious deadnaming.

Thoughts?

...That sounds like a stretch.

For context, it's listed as Values Dissonance.

Honestly, comparing trans people to Voldemort feels offensive in itself.

Agreed. What a ridiculous entry. Incinerate it.

Do leave a polite edit reason that explains the deletion~!

I geniunely don't know what's more offensive: people comparing Harry's defiance of Voldemort's edgy nickname to trangende people issues, or people comparing trangender people to Voldemort.

Apologies.

I'm still learning about it, really sorry.

You learn something new every day, thanks for letting me know.

Edited by Tomodachi on May 10th 2021 at 5:00:23 AM

transsexual is an outdated term.

Yeah. Its transgender now. Also it doesnt have a red at the ending that is also outdated.

Also, "transgender" is an adjective, not a noun. You should say "transgender people" or just "trans people" instead of "transgenders".

too be fair i'm trans myself and came to a similar conclusion

and with jkr being known to be a terf it kiiiiiiiiiiiinda makes sense to imagine that she would see trans people in the same category as voldemort???

i'm drunk don't take me too seriously rn but i note for posterity that i had these same thoughts sober ages ago

That still seems more like Unfortunate Implications than Values Dissonance, though. Even if Rowling is intentionally transphobic, and there's casual transphobia in some of Rowling's works (I think she writes some female villains with "masculine" physicalities? IDK), but this doesn't sound explicit enough to be Values Dissonance unless Voldemort is trans-coded in other ways. (Maybe he is, IDK, I never got into HP.)

y'know that's true i forgot what trope we're talking about

and i don't think there's any real good reliable citations for this as Unfortuante Implications ?? at least none i know of offhand

I don't... think Voldy is Transcoded? Then again, I'm not Trans, so maybe I'm just missing something obvious.

he's not trans coded overall

it's literally just the name thing

i've never interacted with harry potter in a meaningful way so take this with a grain of salt but just from an outsider's opinion, i don't really see the comparison between voldemort and deadnames honestly. "voldemort" literally means "flight of death" and is to my understanding taken in-universe to be equivalent to naming yourself "satan", so the reasons for avoiding saying his name are much more pragmatic than like, actively maliciously deadnaming someone. it's not entirely a stretch considering we know what JK rowling thinks about trans people, and there is some concrete gender essentialism in the series with how hogwarts is magically and forcibly gender segregated (i've seen at least one writer point out that a trans kid at hogwarts is probably going to have a bad time), but the idea of voldemort being an allegory for trans people isn't really, in the text and requires a deep read into psychological implications.

I've read the series myself, Voldemort isn't trans-coded at all. Even as someone opposed to Rowling's views on trans people, that feels like a shoehorn to try and find something in her most famous series that lines up with her current views on trans people. If you really want to find that, look at the most recent book from her less popular Cormoran Strike series, Troubled Blood.

Edited by harryhenry on May 11th 2021 at 4:32:06 AM

Yeah, if she was really looking for an allegory, she'd have him attack wizards in the bathroom (which happens a surprising amount of times in Harry Potter, but never by Voldemort, AFAIK). I'm only half-joking here. I've never heard her talk about name changes and most of her criticisms seem to be the outdated predator myth. Then again, maybe she's said more that I haven't heard about, which is entirely likely.

Edited by WarJay77 on May 10th 2021 at 12:37:11 PM