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openTrope misuse? Videogame
What thread would I go to to ask about a misused trope? I found an example in VideoGame.The Quarry about Video Game Movies (the game has multiple “movie modes”).
openToo many quotes from the same thing? Videogame
The majority of the quotes under the Video Game section of Strange-Syntax Speaker are from a section of Spyro 2: Year of the Dragon where most of the characters speak in haiku.
The thing is, do we need so many quotes from the same game that are essentially demonstrating the same thing repeatedly? I don't know what the rules are for quotes but 1 or 2 would aptly demonstrate the point, surely?
openShould Classes be put on Terraria's Character Page? Videogame
Looking at character pages like Final Fantasy V and Dragon Quest IX, makes me wonder if we should expand "The Player" entry into a subtitle categorised by "In General" and the four classes "Melee/Warrior", "Ranger", "Magic/Sorcerer" & "Summoner".
Classes are of major note to gameplay and feel it is something to be categorised but class is something mainly tied into equipment and some equipment hybridises the classes which may make it less viable for the Character Page but I also note the large number of Warframes on the Warframe character page to help support it could be included there.
Edited by JustaUsernameopenNo Title Videogame
Hello,
I am asking a question about an upcoming game called Honkai Star Rail
There is a page about unreleased content but I have trouble understanding what I should do for Star Rail. The second CBT is currently live and there is a "Characters" page on the official website where characters are neatly divided into factions. What I'm asking is: is it allowed to make a Characters subpage for Star Rail, using the information from CBT content and official website ?
openFlunky Boss qualification Videogame
If smaller enemies fight the player alongside a boss, but are not allied with it (e.g. Xulgon's smallest minions pestering you when you fight Hermit, Prospector, or Storm in Chippy), does that count as a Flunky Boss or not?
openLong-term Edit Wars? Videogame
Part of me thinks I crossed the line into one earlier today when I noticed the third entry on Awesome.Final Fantasy III removed after it had been there for years. The other day, it got removed under Examples Are Not Arguable by Kuruni for noting it was "Arguably" a villainous moment.
I sent a deleting YMMV notifier and re-added the entry slightly rewritten to remove "Arguably."
I realized shortly after, did that cross into Edit War territory despite the original entry being written years ago by someone else?
Edited by GunarmDyneopenSonic Origins Videogame
Why was the page removed? I feel it was unique enough to keep.
openYMMV Entry Restoration Videogame
The 2017 video game Mass Effect: Andromeda features a character that is supposed to be a powerful, violent, intimidating female warlord from a Proud Warrior Race. The voice of the character in question sounds like, to be blunt, a very stereotypically effeminate gay male, to the point where it sounds like a parody. Think Family Guy cutaway portrayal of a gay male, except it's supposed to be taken seriously. It's legitimately not very clear that this character is supposed to even be a female. Because of this and the character fighting in an extremely poorly animated and choreographed scene, this character has been overwhelmingly ridiculed and mocked by players and fans.
It turns out the person who provided the voice recordings for this character is transgender. DGCatAniSiri removed a Narm entry from the YMMV page, claiming that such an entry is transphobic. There was no mention of transgenderism in the entry.
I've sent a message to DGCatAniSiri explaining that even if this claim had any weight, it's irrelevant. Explaining that YMMV entries don't become valid or invalid based upon whether the fan reaction was "right," and that they are perfectly free to disagree. After weeks, a follow up message, and more weeks, they still haven't responded, despite being active.
May I restore this entry?
Edited by HeartOfStoneopen Link = Decoy Protagonist? Videogame
Ok, I gotta ask: is Link really a Decoy Protagonist in The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess? The character page for Twilight Princess uses the following argument: "Link is simply used to move the game where it needs to go. Midna, the titular Twilight Princess, is the real hero of the story. Zelda is a secondary decoy, as you naturally assume she's the Twilight Princess, and indeed Midna addresses her as that in their first meeting, and Midna's royalty isn't revealed until rather late in the game."
Last time I checked, a Decoy Protagonist is a character who is set up to be the protagonist of a story, only to be replaced by another character, who is revealed to be the real protagonist. Now, Supporting Protagonist (the character used by audiences to explore the story isn't the focus of the story) is one thing, but Decoy Protagonist implies that Link can be removed from the story and nothing would change. If Link was removed from the story, yeah, the story would change dramatically.
Link is the one who ultimately solves the main conflict by stopping the bad guys, even if other characters receive more Character Development from him. The fact that other characters (Midna included) fail to solve the main conflict all by themselves proves that Link is necessary for the story reach any kind of resolution. Both Zelda and Midna temporarily die in different parts of the story and Link is forced to go on without them.
So, what do you think?
openAnother Elden Ring Edit War Videogame
There's an edit war happening between ~Lady Belial and ~Snaplock on Characters.Elden Ring.
Starting here, Lady Belial adds some entries and a video link, which was removed here by Snaplock with a somewhat argumentative edit reason. Lady Belial added it back again with a threat of mod action against Snaplock and accusations that they are angry about people disagreeing with them.
I haven't been paying attention to the full history of what's going on with the Elden Ring pages aside from seeing arguments about the characters pop up fairly frequently, so I'm not sure if either of these tropers has a history of problems on these pages already, but nonetheless this is an edit war at this point.
Edit: I just noticed that right after they re-added the removed stuff, Lady Belial made an edit on the YMMV page to remove something Snaplock posted with the reason "Stop inserting your Malenia fan pandering into the discussion. You've been proving wrong, grow the fuck up." so I have also sent them a rudeness notifier. It looks like they're having the same edit war over there though.
Edited by ZarinaopenContested Sequels for The Legend of Zelda? Videogame
The YMMV page for The Legend of Zelda has Contested Sequel with the following argument.
"Between the near-universally agreed-upon golden age of A Link to the Past to Majora's Masknote Excluding the hiatus after Link's Awakening that brought the CD-i games and the renaissance in the eyes of previously disgruntled fans with A Link Between Worlds and Breath of the Wild, many of the games released in the time between those periods became this (at least in the eyes of fans; critics largely consider the series consistently good). By far the most divisive period among fans is the DS/Wii era (Twilight Princess, Phantom Hourglass, Spirit Tracks, Skyward Sword), which has many fans decrying it as the low point of the series due to issues such as increased linearity, overly long intro sections and pre-dungeon quests that drag down the pacing, and decreased difficulty; however, just as many fans find the DS/Wii era on par with the rest of the series, if not the high point, thanks to their more focused gameplay, more substantial main quests, more accessible difficulty with potential for Self-Imposed Challenge. This era's greater focus on storytelling is also divisive, with many fans debating on whether the games' stories work with or make up for the increased linearity or were the cause of its problems with handholding and pacing and/or weren't good enough to make up for the linearity."
Is this entry even valid? Most of the games described in the entry were commercial and critical successes back when they were first released and even when people find flaws in those games in hindsight, they otherwise have positive opinions about this game. I already posted this question in the discussion page and Is this an example, just in case.
So, what do you say?
Edited by MasterHeroopenEditor with bad grammar on Pokémon Scarlet and Violet WMG Videogame
Jonic Ookami 7 has made several edits on WMG.Pokemon Scarlet And Violet, all with odd grammar such as capitalised words and full stops where there should really be commas. I grammar-corrected their first edit yesterday, but they've made a few more since then.
openNippon Ichi subpages Videogame
1. Any idea what Trivia.Nippon Ichi is supposed to be? It's like a fan essay of trying to argue all company's works are in The 'Verse, but to me it reads like just a list of cross-franchise cameos, which isn't uncommon for profiling developers and may be better as The Cameo examples. (Cut)
2. I take everything not about Makai Wars should be removed from YMMV.Nippon Ichi per Creator Page Guidelines and Zero-Context Example? (Done)
3. Characters.Nippon Ichi has three characters that have debuted in Makai Kingdom, La Pucelle, and Hyperdimension Neptunia Megami Tsuushin respectively, should they be moved or fine where-is?
I know the company has a Running Gag regarding Fourth-Wall Observer Asagi Asagiri, but I'm not very familiar with Disgaea timeline and think people are reading too much into it.
Edited by AmonimusopenDo I need permission to convert parts of the Gacha Games page into a bulleted list? Videogame
This might be a "large" attempt to re-organize a page's description, but I'd like to bring up the Gacha Games index page.
It has seven paragraphs as of this writing, but it seemed as though the second, third and fourth paragraphs are talking about tropes, concepts and elements that are very essential/common within the (sub)genre. Shouldn't those paragraphs be listed as several bullet points instead for easier readability? I've checked other "subgenre" or "genre index" types of pages such as Souls-like RPG, Roguelike, and Stylish Action... And indeed, those pages list the "essential, common things in the genre" using a bulleted list. Even Fighting Game has an entire separate page for its common tropes.
Would it be okay for me to convert those paragraphs into a bulleted list as a free action? Or does this need some permission and/or TRS?
I'd also like to mention more tropes common in Gacha Games, just in case.
Edited by DanteVinopenEdit war over rain in Animal Crossing Videogame
In Animal Crossing (2001), one aspect of the game that isn't present in later titles is the fact that rain always lasts all day long instead of being able to come and go with each hour. Additionally, rain is accompanied by a distinct theme (instead of a remix of the current hourly theme) that also plays all day long. On YMMV.Animal Crossing 2001, Plutopiter added a point about the latter under Scrappy Mechanic on August 7, 2021. I deleted this the following October on the grounds that I never actually saw anyone complaining about it, only for Arena1999 to add it back. Not sure whether or not it applied, given that it just discussed background music rather than actual game mechanics, I took the point to the Scrappy Mechanic cleanup thread, where the one response I got on it agreed that the point didn't apply; I removed it again on those grounds, citing the thread. Last April, Plutopiter reinserted a mention of the rainy day theme playing all day on top of another Scrappy Mechanic point. After taking it to the Animal Crossing cleanup thread, I was told that the matter constituted an edit war on Plutopiter's part, which brings us here. Plutopiter was already given an notifier for edit warring and misuse.
So, given all of the above, and the fact that a notifier was already sent, what would be the best thing to do in this situation? Edited by bowserbros
resolved ''The Spiral Scouts'', mildly NSFW game Videogame
I recently finished a game (not up to 100%, almost there) called The Spiral Scouts. I wanted to check it here on TV Tropes, but it appears it doesnt have a page. After doing a quick search I found out an old forum post asking the same as me. Im not gonna bump it without a reason, because as it says in the title, the game is mildly NSFW, so Im not sure if it is allowed here.
If you havent played it (the game is pretty much unknown), let me tell you three of the many quests the game has to offer:
- Quest 1: A boy named Mellow says that he is from the moon, and asks you to help him to return there. He gives you a map, and with it you need so solve a puzzle. After solving it, the "Lunar Owl" appears and mocks Mellow a lot for being so naive. You receive a badge for making the Lunar Owl laugh, and the quest is completed.
- Quest 2: An old man tells you that his wife passed away, and he misses her a lot. He shows you how he was building a time machine, and wants your help to finish it, so he can see her again. After the time machine is done, both you and the old man travel to the past to see her wife, but instead you see like six copies of the same old man waiting in line to "remember" their wife (dont worry, no one is nude). The man gets angry and returns to the present, and the quest is completed.
- Quest 3: A man named Meh asks you for a drink. After some walking you find a guy that makes "Butt Juice". He tells you that he gives it for free, but you must get the ingredients for him. After getting some "Butt Fruit" and sugar, the man makes the juice inside something that looks like a bathroom while making fart noises. He insists that isnt a bathroom, but his lab. After you gave the juice to Meh, he refuses to give you a badge, so you steal him using a gun.
If you ask Why would you like a page about a game like that here?, its mainly because the only place where you can find info about the game is on Steam. Any other place is just copy-paste, so I wanted to see something different. And the game is pretty fun, filled with a lot of puzzles.
openAkiba's Trip Videogame
I was checking the history for Akiba's Trip: Undead and Undressed and found this was deleted by Hello 83433:
- Ending Aversion: In universe with Striprism. No one likes the last episode.
The editing reason was "misuse", but I know that the example is valid. I'm also aware that Ending Aversion has been renamed Audience-Alienating Ending. I think the problem is that the example as written doesn't really convey the trope very well. Would it be okay if I were to rewrite it?
I {=P Med=} Hello 83433 a week ago and haven't heard back.
Edited by BKelly95openHidden Palace spoiler issue on the Sonic 2 pages. Videogame
So something I have noticed on the Sonic the Hedgehog 2 pages is that the spoiler status of Hidden Palace in the iOS/Android port is incredibly inconsistent, as it is hidden behind a spoiler filter on some pages and not on others. So what should we do about this? Is it a spoiler or not?
On one hand, Hidden Palace is a hidden level that is only accessed by a secret pit in Mystic Cave, meaning it was likely intended by the devs to be discovered blindly (making it a spoiler), on the other hand though, it is incredibly prominent in the marketing for the port (and in Sonic Origins), with Sega not attempting to hide the zone's existence, so what it is?
Personally, I think all mentions of the zone should be hidden behind spoilers (outside of pages where spoilers are off) since it was clearly intended to be a surprise, but I don't know for sure.
Edited by Tylerbear12
The pages for the first six games are not consistent with eachother in terms of in-game information. Most have entries that've either been disproven within themselves- both from late-game or hidden information- or the other games. They are also riddled with fandom-based assuptions that have no basis within the given information, often conflicting with what was actually given in-game. I would like to start an effort to clean these pages up, but do I have to pitch a short-term project to do so- and how would I go about that, if yes- because of the scale, or, can I work on it myself in my spare time? I am asking primarily because I am not active frequently.
EDIT: Clean up effort is now live, here: https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=16550680110A22093300&page=1#1
Edited by G1-Fizzy