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to first two What Madness Is This Candiates and Oswald.

Xander

I think aside from two potential examples in Literature/Reds(well technically 4 if you add in two characters that only appeared in a side story within the timeline of dubious continuity), we're done for the time being with Alternate History dot com effortposts. I might get to the Reds effortposts one day but it's gonna be a really tough archive binge and a lot of the story is under revision.

edited 19th Sep '17 7:08:48 PM by xie323

Actually, I think there's one or two more stories that could have a CM. I'd be interested to see an EP on the Reds candidate you have in mind, since I seriously considered reading through it to see if anyone qualified. Of course, I got lazy and didn't.

With regards to Reds effortposts.....

1. The first candidate can actually be effortposted as soon as I get the time. His actions is described extensively in the third arc and there is enough to do an ep on with what we got without having to archive binge.

2. The second candidate would take a bit of archive binging, and I don't have the time to do it and since the first and second arcs of Reds are getting a revision, there may be stuff about him that aren't canon.

3. The third and fourth potential candidates are from an arguably non-canon sidestory tied to the WWII arc so no ep unless the sidestory is canonized.

Also Stalin appears in Reds as well, but he is a non-qualifier since his atrocities, and by extension the atrocities of the USSR, are actually contained by the more libertarian socialist USAR.

edited 19th Sep '17 7:07:15 PM by xie323

We have other candidates to vote on from the Raven, Knacks and my own, please.

I'd say yea to Reynolds. Was intending to look into that one myself, incidentally... ditto yea to Xander. If death is actually shown and the lethal intentions of his plan are completely explicit, I see no reason why he shouldn't count.

Well so far I have 6 and zero so I'm going to do the write up for Ivan Reynolds now since I plan to do all my HW that is due Thursday tomorrow. So without a further due here it is.

• The Raven (2012): The Big Bad Ivan Reynolds is responsible for a string of gruesome murders found in 19th century Baltimore, Maryland based on the works of Edgar Allan Poe. These murders include breaking all the bones in a woman's body before slitting her throat, strangling said women's 12-year old daughter to death before stuffing her body into the chimney, having a man bisected by a pendulum, and forcing another man to wear a dress before entombing him alive within the sewer walls; Its also implied that he raped the very latter. He also orchestrates the kidnapping of Edgar's Love Interest, Emily, and when the police track him down he kills one of cops and nearly kills the other. He later introduces himself to Edgar by killing the newspaper editor and forces him to drink poison under the word that he will reveal Emily's location. However he goes back on his word and leaves both Edgar and Emily to die, successfully killing the former.

Don't forget to keep on voting.

I'm pretty sure ACW can cut some pot hole that he deems unnecessary when he does the editing

okay I took some potholes out and merge some of the others hope that is better

edited 20th Sep '17 12:06:33 AM by G-Editor

Please cut out a few of the potholes there. We don't need any more entries drowned in blue.

As Scraggle said, that would be appreciated. So far I've been doing most of the pothole trimming and it would help a lot if you did.

I've got one more post up for tonight... I'll get another book candidate up a little later, but for now, I'm going to return to my roots with another action movie candidate, specifically one I'm surprised hasn't been discussed before...

What's the setting?

The action classic The Transporter, the film that put Jason Statham on the map as an action movie star, follows Frank Martin, a gruff ex-soldier in the "transporting" business. Give him a destination, some cargo, and a payment, and Frank will transport it no matter what it is. He follows three strict rules; no names, no alterations of the deals, and most importantly, never look in the passage. When contacted by a strange man one day to bring a package to a wealthy businessman in the French Mediterranean, Frank finds he's compelled to look inside the package given that it's moving and squirming around in the trunk... and finds a live human girl inside.

His client? Played by Matt Schulze, Daren Bettencourt — better known as "Wall Street."

Who is Wall Street? What has he done?

A crime lord masquerading as a wealthy businessman, Wall Street is the business partner of the aforementioned girl's — Lai — father, Mr. Kwai. He and Kwai? Are human traffickers. Wall Street intends to smuggle four-hundred immigrants from China into Europe and sell them across the country for a hefty profit, and he's commissioned Kwai's daughter to be delivered to him (mainly because it's hinted Kwai wants his daughter to join him in his trafficking business... Wall Street evidently doesn't care). When Frank delivers Lai to him, Wall Street gets suspicious and orders him to deliver something else. This something else turns out to be a suitcase bomb, which blows up his car and nearly kills him. Pissed, Frank returns to Wall Street's mansion and proceeds to retaliate, killing many of Wall Street's henchmen and inadvertently saving Lai when he drives off with a stolen car. Wall Street, agitated, visits one of his wounded henchmen in the hospital and asks who did this... and, to make sure the man doesn't spill the beans, suffocates his minion to death by shoving a cloth down his throat before leaving.

Ordering Frank's house blown up in broad daylight by his minions to kill Frank and Lai, Wall Street is directly confronted soon after once Frank learns of Wall Street's trafficking operation. Unsuccessfully interrogating Wall Street, that's when Mr. Kwai himself arrives on the scene... stopped from killing Frank only due to the authorities arriving on the scene, Wall Street smugly states to Frank before killing him that only three-hundred-and-ninety-five immigrants are being sold alive and that five died on the way, before knocking him out and having him framed for kidnapping Lai and trying to extort money out of Kwai. Frank once again escapes with the help of the chief of police — who he conveniently happens to be friends with — and pursues Wall Street as he and Kwai start transporting the containers filled with immigrants. Fighting his way through scores of Wall Street's henchmen, Frank eventually ends up hijacking one of the shipment trucks and Wall Street furiously attempts to gun him down before breaking into the truck himself. A scuffle ensues between the two, which ends with Frank tossing the psycho out of the truck and Wall Street's ensuing scream being cut off with a crunch as he lands headfirst onto the highway.

Any mitigating factors?

With Wall Street himself? Nada. No excuse or redeeming moments at all. The only thing to talk about is the heinous standard. Let's cap it off movie by movie.

For the first movie? Wall Street outclasses his partner Kwai in heinousness due to the fact he's a lot more overtly sadistic about the process, treating the death of some of his charges with merriment, carries out essentially all of the heavy lifting for the plan, and directly gets onscreen murders where Kwai does not. Kwai himself doesn't count, anyways... for as much of a prick as he is and while he's happy to have his daughter manhandled and beaten, he'd much rather have her on his side and refuses to kill her when it would be much more convenient for him to do so until the very end where he's essentially been stripped of every other option (and even then, Kwai makes a point that he still wants her to "see the light." and looks sincerely regretful for a second once he thinks she's been killed). Wall Street, on the other hand, is happy to murder the girl himself without Kwai's permission.

For the second movie? Lola and Gianni are plague-making psychos, but they don't count either due to genuine love between the two and I have to say they don't really knock out Wall Street out in heinousness... while the two are nasty, they and Wall Street specialize in vastly different forms of villainy. Lola and Gianni are terrorists with many murders on their hands, but Wall Street is a human trafficker on a gigantic scale, willing to sell off four-hundred people to horrible slavery whilst murdering any loose ends along the way.

The third movie? Johnson? Johnson does not even come close to matching Wall Street in evil. Ditto the fourth movie, which we may not even have to talk about anyways as that one is more of a straight reboot with little direct relation to the other films... Karasov there is also a trafficker and might be worth a post himself, but the biggest problem is that almost everything he does is completely off-screen. Wall Street's plan, on the other hand? Is the crux of the plot — the transport of the charges directly factors into and frames the climax of the movie.

Ultimately? I have to say Wall Street makes it for his own franchise and passes the baseline. Human traffickers tend to do that.

Conclusion?

I'd say keep him. Bizarrely enough, that's another trafficker CM for Matt Schulze (who went on the play the main baddie in the atrocious Seagal flick Out of Reach, who's already listed).

Thoughts?

edited 19th Sep '17 9:22:02 PM by Scraggle

Yes to Wall Street.

I'll repost this so it doesn't get buried, too:

You may notice Scraggle and I have been teaming up on some writers here.

What's the Work?

Wolf Hunt is a novel by Jeff Strand. George and Lou are a pair of tough guys working for the mob. Far from being totally bad guys, they're pretty nice, easygoing fellows who just have to occasionally break a few thumbs. Then...they get a really weird job: A powerful mob boss is requesting their boss ship him some merchandise. That merchandise is a skinny guy in a cage. They are warned he's a werewolf. they don't buy it...but then things go...poorly as their guest manages to escape. His name is Ivan and he's not just a werewolf: he's a coldblooded psychopath with a sadist's streak a mile wide, and if George and Lou don't stop him, he plans on massacring everything and everyone within the near vicinity.

Who is Ivan and What's He Done?

Ivan is a werewolf kidnapped by Mr. Dewey's goons...now, Dewey is dying of brain cancer and realized lycanthropy is the way out. But this isn't important right now. Things begin getting weird when a young woman is attacked by a pack of wild dogs. George and Lou save her...but Ivan manages to grab one, get the keys and escape. George and Lou see him change and realize that uh oh, the guy IS a werewolf. George pursues Ivan who breaks into a suburban house where a single mom named Donna has taken the day off work. Holding her at knifepoint and interrogating her so George knows about her kids, Ivan forces George to put the gun down with a promise he won't hurt Donna...then cheerfully remarks he's a liar and cuts her throat open with the comment "I've got a couple of orphans to make here."

George barely survives and Ivan escapes, leaving George, Lou and the girl they saved from the dogs (who Ivan directed) named Michele. Ivan makes it to a bar and proceeds to massacre most of the people there. George and Lou barely survive the fight there and Ivan flees into the woods. Ivan proceeds to realize he needs a change of clothes and sends a dog into the street to stop a car. Ivan takes the man there (named Dale) hostage and proceeds to make Dale drive him towards town while playfully mocking Dale about being unmarried, before making Dale tell him about his crush on a coworker. Ivan offers to drive to her place and let Dale rape her while "I might even let you keep her." Dale works up the courage to tell Ivan to fuck himself and Ivan...immediately loses interest, saying the smart thing would have been to accept his offer and look for a chance to get the better of him later. He forces Dale out of the car, and proceeds to hunt him down in the woods, ripping him apart before realizing he just destroyed his change of clothes (and thinks he was genuine about making Dale rape the girl he liked. It sounded fun.)

Ivan contacts George and Lou and tells them to give him all the money they picked up for their boss so he can leave town or he's going to go on a killing spree. "And decide quick, because once I start, I'm not going to stop in the middle to see if you've had a change of heart. Like, I'm not gonna stop once I've hit 20 newborns when I could get 30. If I only get to kill 20, what's the point, right?" Ivan, of course, is entirely untrustworthy and continues to kill people on the way, racking up a large bodycount, including cop. In several points, an annoyed Ivan kills people for increasingly petty reasons and gets annoyed whenever he has to use a gun for convenience sake. "Have you ever heard of a werewolf having to use a gun? fucking pathetic, am I right?"

He then gets lucky, managing to steal George and Lou's truck, and money, and takes Michele hostage, keeping her in the same cage he was stuck in. I've reprinted the dialogue:

Ivan then offers her a way to live and if she doesn't take it, he promise she will kill her in the most horrible fashion imaginable without a trace of humor...she accepts, so he bites her, and when he captures George, he throws him in the cage with a transforming Michele, mocking him all the while. Unknown to Ivan, however, he previously had a tracker stuck in him before the transport, which Lou uses to hunt them down, using dynamite to blow the truck off the road. An injured Michele chooses to use dynamite to kill herself rather than become a monster like Ivan (Who notes that only werewolves who love what they do can keep their minds as thoroughly as he does). Ivan kills several members of George and Lou's team, but is badly, badly injured.

Offering a truce, Ivan requests the money and promises to leave the country, but has them meet him at a bowling alley with the clear implication that he's going to take the money, then kill George and Lou and everyone there, men, women and kids included. George meets with the injured Ivan who says he's exhausted and wants a rest...George manages to get the drop on Ivan in human form, trying to jam a grenade down his throat, but Ivan fights back and transforms. At the end, George manages to shove a silver cross down Ivan's mouth, the silver burning him from the inside out, also burning out his heart, killing the bastard slowly and agonizingly.

So, mitigating qualities?

Ivan defines Faux Affably Evil, even moreso than Pestilence. He is absolutely hilarious at times, with pitch black comedy (when George begs Michele to control herself when changing, Ivan chimes in with "Yes! Fight! With the power of love! Accept Buddha as your savior! Go team!"), but...he's also a completely low-functioning, unstable and violent psychopath who loves hurting and killing others with a heaping dose of mental torture in there, too. There is one scene where Ivan randomly spares a man and woman in the bar, but this is portrayed as an amused whim. He even says that he gets a wee bit tired when he massacres a lot of people, likening it to an Olympic swimmer who just finished a marathon. "last thing you wanna do is get back in the pool and go again right away, ya know?"

Now, werewolves are noted to be rare, but the book's sequel demonstrates they're entirely able to be good or bad people and most of them are just interested in low profile. Ivan is fully in control of his transformation in ways other werewolves aren't, because he's such a monster and he's a sadistic bastard whether he's man or wolf.

oh, he also says he doesn't like eating people. But he himself notes this isn't a moral objection at all. Just a matter of taste.

Conclusion?

Ivan is, hands down, one of the most sadistic, vile, monstrous werewolves I have ever read about and is an easy keeper in every way imaginable, even if he is also darkly hilarious.

Didn't you already post him? Yes to Bettancourt.

edited 19th Sep '17 9:44:10 PM by HamburgerTime

Repost so it didn't get buried. Apparently, people wanted to focus on the AH candidates.

Wall Street. Funny, I was thinking about doing an effort post on him after watching Transporter for the first time, but as always, I was lazy, and I also didn't know the heinous standard of the series.

edited 19th Sep '17 10:03:04 PM by therealjackieboy

Wall Street, Ivan and Oswald

Elwyn, unfortunately, due to Offscreen Villainy.

Also switching to on Goodyear II. Still Viktor due to coming first and Goldstein due to being a different class of villain.

Any votes on Carruthers?

Yes to Wall Street, Ivan, Oswald and especially Xander (knack 2 baby)

Anymore votes on the Twin Peaks candidates? Doppleganger, Richard Horne, and Judy.

Judy and Richard seem to be No's, just need some more votes. Doppleganger's had some back and forth. Gonna make a BOB counter argument and post it tomorrow.

for Wall Street.

edited 20th Sep '17 1:52:16 AM by DrPsyche

Pestilence (definitely doesn't sound like agency is a problem); Reynolds; Xander; Ivan; Wall Street.

Kennedy...Oswald...someone has a twisted sense of humor. Can we get a bulletpoint summary of all the candidates. All are blending together as genocidal psychopaths

"libertarian socialist"...that's an oxymoron.

Ivan and Wall Street - it feels strangely cathartic to write that.

KNACK 2 10/5 BAYBEEEEEE!

'm gonna be busy today, but I'll try and get his write up done by tomorrow since he has gone down fairly well here. Trust me, I wasn't exactly expecting Knack to have a candidate.

To Wall Street.

Well we've had a bounty of effortposts over the last two days. And I think that caused my proposed rewrite to get buried twice. So for a final time here it is:

Adam Hart, aka Arnold Nordlond, born with vast Psychic Powers, considers people his playthings and has abused them since childhood. Taking a new name, Adam destroyed nearly every trace of his old life, brainwashing his home town’s mechanic to kill anyone who turned up asking about him. A true sadist, Hart enjoys playing with his victims, often inducing mind breaking hallucinations before inflicting agonizing deaths. When his old friend Professor Henry Hallson discovered the existence of another super genius, Hart became obsessed with removing a potential rival, murdering Henry by imprisoning him in a centrifuge. He then targets Professor Jim Tanner; manipulating events to look like Tanner killed Hallson before almost murdering him through induced agony. Going after Sally Hallson, Hart rewrote her entire personality, leaving permanently damaged and barely able to remember her husband. Stalking Tanner, Hart caused Professor Melnicker to die from a heart attack. To divert suspicion he faked an attack on himself, taking the opportunity to almost crush Tanner with an elevator. Hart then tried to run Tanner over before running him into the river, and set Doctor Van Zandt's house on fire, killing him and his wife. When Tanner finally confronts him, Hart attempted to torture him to death, forcing him to experience sub-zero temperatures, his flesh burning off, the empty vacuum of space stripping him down to the bones and reliving all his friends and colleges deaths, all whilst he cheerfully narrates.

If their are no objections or suggestions I'll just post it on the drafts page.

What's the difference?

Here's a link to every candidate from What Madness is This?. Viktor and Oswald seem to be keepers, Steele was universally downvoted, so that leaves just Goldstein and Goodyear II to vote on conclusively. Once voting has finished I'll write up the approved candidates and put them all in one post.

edited 20th Sep '17 7:29:20 AM by ThePest179

So let me do this (correct me if I'm wrong):

• Viktor: Genocidal tyrant, launches wars, plus killing the 3 prostitutes.
• Goodyear: Corrupt Corporate Executive, also genocidal (smaller-scale, but he has fewer resources).
• Steele: How does "The World War" compare to the wars Viktor launched?
• Goldstein: Mad Doctor who only does good because he was forced.
• Oswald: Didn't start the war, but makes it worse.

I'll give a to Goodyear, Goldstein, and Oswald (different enough), LEANING on Viktor, but unsure how he compares to Steele (who I'm unsure on either way).

Incidentally, I know we cut Rumsfeld, but on second thought...dude tried to weaponize AIDS!

edited 20th Sep '17 7:58:41 AM by ACW

Don't drag up settled cuts, please.

Meanwhile here's what's pending (minus the What Madness characters). Did I miss anything?

• Negaduck (32)
• Logan & Kaden from Arena (2011) (bobg)
• Alien Chibu Exceller (CyberXIII)
• High Templar Dominus; Malachai, the Nightmare (LD)
• Xander from Knack II (PP)
• Lightysnake
  • Augustus Leech from Hell Hollow, by Ronald Kelly
  • Harmon "Emperor Harmony" Fiskle, from A Splendid Chaos by John Shirley
  • Emperor-Regent Nicosar of Azad
  • Ivan from Wolf Hunt, by Jeff Strand
  • Jabberwocky; Pan; Cal King rewrites
• Ravok
  • Commander Ironblood from Battle Action Force
  • Isabella from The Walking by Bentley Little
  • Kenneth Irons; Carl Dalack
• Scraggle
  • Darren "Wall Street" Bettencourt
  • White Eyes from Batman: Dead White, by John Shirley
  • Simon Maguss from Cellars, by John Shirley
  • Pestilence from The Haunted Forest Tour, by Jeff Strand
  • Ephram Pixie & Samuel "The More Man" Denver from Wetbones, by John Shirley
  • Krona rewrite
  • TAO rewrite

OK, I got my write up done quicker than expected.

• Knack 2: Xander, leader of the Monks, cannot stand that his order is not taken seriously by the rest of the world. Starting the game as an ally against the initial threat of the Goblins, Xander tricks Lucas into giving him an Artefact which enables him to turn the Goblin’s Machines against them. When he tries to use these Machines to conquer humanity Knack and Lucas object, for which Xander attempts to kill the duo despite promising his Youth Leader Ava he wouldn’t harm them. Eventually deciding ruling the world was too much work and that modern civilisation had made humanity weak, Xander builds the Armageddon Machine to destroy every city, town and village, apathetic about how many die and only caring that people will finally listen to him because he will be “the only thing between them and death”. For a “personal touch” Xander bound Knack and Lucas’ friends and family within his first city target so they will die along with it. Furthermore, he is almost gleeful when he realises Ava and some defected monks are attempting to evacuate civilians, believing they will all die as well. Hypocritical, power hungry, cruel and a traitor to his species, Xander set a new standard for evil within the Knack universe.

I'd recommend completely spoiling this entire entry on the YMMV page, since it's a big spoiler that Xander's evil. I might do that myself, in fact. If ACW says the magic words, of course.

edited 20th Sep '17 10:13:24 AM by PolarPhantom