Devil's Pitchfork. Because Satanic is more ambiguous and could refer to the religion. And Wikipedia has an disambig called it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Devil%27s_Pitchfork

Edited by Malady on May 3rd 2022 at 5:12:02 AM

If it's not too late to add an option: Infernal Pitchfork?

The crowner was started today so it's not too late to add that in.

I added it to the crowner.

Edited by MacronNotes on May 3rd 2022 at 2:50:58 PM

For clarity and/or pedantry, the Wikipedia page on Devil's Pitchfork is a disambiguation between an optical illusion, a plant, and a type of conductor cable.

Anyway, to spitball a few names for the other variant, Gladiators Trident and Gladiatorial Trident are obvious options. Nets are also commonly paired with them, I think, so perhaps Gladiatorial Net And Trident.

Edited by Theriocephalus on May 3rd 2022 at 9:33:41 AM

For other mythical tridents outside of Greco-Roman mythology and the Abrahamic religions, how about Divine Trident?

- Poseidon has trident because fish, The Devil has one because Poseidon, but why do other divines have tridents? Is there a consistent pattern there?

Nen, we already told you that we're not making another trope unless there's usage for it.

Pun, possibly bad: Trid Net Combat

Edit: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Retiarius for those who want a link.

Edited by Malady on May 3rd 2022 at 9:12:11 AM

I know that I'm late, but it's important. The thing is, the retiarii, aforementioned trident-using gladiators, were actually styled after fishermen. So in fact, gladiator tridents are (or at least were in ancient times) a subtrope of marine-themed tridents. Should they really be split away from the main page?

Edited by Veriamo on May 4th 2022 at 11:34:42 AM

We already decided to separate gladiator tridents from sea god tridents, but we could make a note of the connection in those two tropes' descriptions.

That would probably be a good idea. Modern usage of those two things is distinct, but the historic link should also be noted.

so I know the gladiator usage has already been agreed upon but what's the trope there? if it's a weapon that existed and is being used by a gladiator is that not just...a thing that exists/ed?

the other two uses are fine: 1) sea god / people who are associated with the sea and 2) devils, demons, characters who are characterized as being impish or devilish

but i'm not really seeing the trope in the gladiator version

Sounds like another Weapon Of Choice thing, gladiators can use anything, from shortswords to clubs.

Yeah, the gladiator one might not be much of anything.

If necessary, we could run a crowner for whether to skip the gladiator trope instead of jumping into choosing names, but we'll have to wait until after we've decided what to call the trope for demonic tridents.

If only 2/104 of examples count we may not be able to split anyway. If anyone wanted they could pick it up from the yard.

That's true.

I made Sandbox.Prongs Of Poseidon and Sandbox.Devils Pitchfork as starting points, using the existing bullet points on Main.Prongs Of Poseidon. Maybe they could be fleshed out a bit; I'll wait and see if anyone has anything to add before moving them to Main/.

Ooh okay, glancing over them and doing a quick google, I can rustle up some more examples! Do we locate quotes before launching, or do those mandatorily get chosen via Pickin' thread?

^My understanding is that if one wants to add a quote or image where there isn't one to begin with can do so freely, but going through the image and quote pickin' threads is nonetheless encouraged.

(Or, in this case, we can probably discuss the quote here? I'm not too clear on that particular branch of etiquette.)

Expanded the description, and ported over some examples from the wick check.

Who added the image? It's not bad per se, but I would have preferred something a bit more... traditionally devil-ish, I think.

Edited by Theriocephalus on May 8th 2022 at 9:44:10 AM