Not Tropeworthy: Tights Under Shorts

Part of my ongoing project of bringing all of the problematic tropes left over from my Appearance Tropes Cleanup sandbox and the now defunct Geand Unifying Appearance Tropes Clean up thread to TRS.

So, Proper Tights with a Skirt, Modesty Shorts,Skirt Over Slacks, and Tights Under Shorts are a family of four tropes about characters wearing some form of leg wear under their skirts/shorts. The former two have bad ZCE problems but seem to be tropable otherwise so they might just need heavy cleaning. However, I don't think Tights Under Shorts and Skirt Over Slacks are salvageable at all because both "tropes" are mostly just "character wears x". At first, I thought both tropes were for Tomboy with a Girly Streak and other tomboy characters but that's not the focus of either trope.

Tights Under Shorts describes itself as the tights variety to Modesty Shorts but I don't see why it can't just be folded under that trope. The very few examples that actually had context I found while wick checking were Modesty Shorts examples.

Skirt Over Slacks does mention shyness and tomboyishness as traits associated with the style (in anime) buut it's still mostly just about the style. Again, the very few wicks I found that had context were Modesty Shorts examples.

I honestly think both tropes should be cut but the inbound count is too high to do that. So, maybe we can turn one into a disambiguation between Modesty Shorts,Proper Tights With Skirt and Meaningful Appearance and redirect the other trope?

I did the wick checks for both tropes at Sandbox.Tights Under Shorts Wick Check and Sandbox.Skirt Over Slacks Wick Check.

Tights Under Shorts

Skirt Over Slacks

Edited by MacronNotes on Feb 20th 2022 at 1:48:45 PM

Opening.

Disambiguating sounds good because these sound chairsy on their own.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Feb 20th 2022 at 10:09:57 AM

Rather than disambiguating, what about just merging it to one of the other tropes which are less chair-sy (e.g. Modesty Shorts)?

I rather not do that. That's just moving the misuse elsewhere to me. Modesty Shorts at least has a name that makes it clear that it's not just about the shorts and Proper Tights with a Skirt is more than just the clothes. Those tropes already have ZCE issues so I rather not have bad redirects encourage it.

Edited by MacronNotes on Feb 20th 2022 at 8:48:34 AM

Disambig them... are you proposing turning one into a redirect to a disambig?

I was thinking one of them could be a disambiguation page and the other would redirect to said disambiguation page.

Yeah, that's what I was proposing but I probably phrased it awkwardly

I suppose once it's time for a crowner, we could vote on which name we use for the disambiguation page.

Not sure I get the argument that Tights Under Shorts is not tropeworthy of a tomboyish female character while Proper Tights with a Skirt is valid for feminine ones.

Edited by eroock on Feb 21st 2022 at 7:37:52 AM

It doesn't seem to be any trope in particular, TBH.

If it's a valid example of Modesty Shorts, it could go there. But keep in mind that " a character who wears tights under their shorts" is not a trope on its own so most of the examples on the page can be safely cut. I can make a sandbox to preserve the examples for anyone who wants to salvage them though.

Also, I watched Bolt, and the tights and shorts are just part of the girl's outfit. They don't mean anything. It would be like troping characters who wear pants.

Also, no one was arguing that the trope was not tropable for tomboyish characters. We can yard that if the idea has merit.

Edited by MacronNotes on Feb 21st 2022 at 10:39:02 AM

What about an umbrella trope for tomboyish outfits?

There's Tomboyish Baseball Cap and Tank-Top Tomboy so there might be merit in that idea but again we can just yard it. I don't recall any of the examples I found on my wick check that had context of the character being tomboyish. Tights Under Shorts and Skirt Over Slacks are just about the fashion styles on their own so they aren't salvageable.

Edited by MacronNotes on Feb 21st 2022 at 10:42:26 AM

Tights under shorts as tomboyish clothing could be Yarded in addition to a trope for tomboyish outfits in general, but since none of the examples in the wick check use Tights Under Shorts that way, we'd have to start from scratch.

We did something similar by Yarding Hand Hiding Sleeves' subtypes after most of its examples were chairsy.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Feb 21st 2022 at 10:05:17 AM

Personally now sure how it would work as a trope, but we can yard Tomboish Clothing and add links to the cut tropes as reference.

The only idea I have for Yarding the portrayal of tights under shorts as tomboyish is to link to this thread, because I don't see any on-page examples worth sandboxing, in contrast to how there were already a handful of examples to work with when Hand Hiding Sleeves' subtypes were Yarded.

Don't forget about prepubescent girls wearing sneakers, particularly Converse All-Stars (or similar), or other athletic shoes as casual wear (as opposed to wearing them in gym class or while cheerleading, jogging, running, or hiking).

Edited by Nen_desharu on Feb 21st 2022 at 7:02:32 AM

I don't really get what's being proposed in the winning option? Does it mean that the two pages would be separate disambiguation pages?