Good strong OP. Opening.
Reality is that, which when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away. -Philip K. DickMy suggestion would be to cut all the examples that don't fit, then add an exclaimer to the description, something like this:
Note that this trope only covers cases where Jews are considered to be particularly attractive within a fictional work. It doesn't apply if a character in a romantic pairing simply happens to be Jewish without the other character showing any preference for Jews, nor does it apply to fans in real life finding Jewish actors or characters hot.
edited 27th Jul '16 4:58:24 AM by Tuomas
Yes, looks like a clear case where we simply have to cut the existing misuse and tighten the description. The additional paragraph proposed above sounds good.
You've got roaming bands of armed, aggressive, tyrannical plumbers coming to your door, saying "Use our service, or else!"Also agreeing that that's a sensible change to make.
Looking at the page, there's so few examples that actually fit I wonder why we need "Everyone Looks Sexier if French: Jewish Edition." It's the epitome of The Same But More Specific and I can't help but leaving it, even with a tightened description, will still lead to misuse.
edited 27th Jul '16 6:19:34 AM by Larkmarn
Found a Youtube Channel with political stances you want to share? Hop on over to this page and add them.Everyone Looks Sexier if French, as it's defined now, is about specific nationalities, but obviously Jews live in many different countries, so Matzo Fever is more about culture and ethnicity. And we have tropes that are based on ethnic/cultural stereotypes rather than nationalistic ones: Sexy Scandinavian, Latin Lover, Sensual Slavs... Technically these could all be merged under one trope page, like Attractive Ethnicity or something, but I think there are differences between what aspect of a specific ethnicity is stereotypically depicted as attractive. For example, based on the (legit) examples under Matzo Fever, it seems the Jewish culture is typically shown to be what makes them particularly attractive, whereas with Sexy Scandinavian, for example, the attractiveness is more about the stereotypical Scandinavian physical appearance. And with Latin Lover, it's a combination of both.
edited 2nd Aug '16 2:42:20 AM by Tuomas
I'm good with adding that disclaimer.
Can't figure out a way to not make this sound lightly anti-Semetic (and whether "culture" and "nationality" are sufficiently different), but are there enough examples of people attracted by Judaism to count for a trope? As OP points out, the trope gets wind up used as "attractive Jews" not "attractive because Jewish" which is a huge difference (in that, you know, the first is not a trope at all).
edited 2nd Sep '16 8:50:58 AM by Larkmarn
Found a Youtube Channel with political stances you want to share? Hop on over to this page and add them.We have a lot of "tropes" that are just attractive X. Honestly, I think we should ditch all of them. They're largely just a place for people to say they thing a character is hot, no matter if they are In-Universe or not or if it has any bearing on the work.
Characters' looks having an effect on the plot should be troped, but I'm not so sure if just being hot is enough.
I mean, look at Hot Scoop. It's just a list of every fictional reporter who turned someone on and the wicks are even worse. The problem goes beyond this one trope.
Reality is that, which when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away. -Philip K. DickYou know, ~shimaspawn has a point.
Maybe what we need is a supertrope that does not allow aversions or straight examples like Most Common Superpower does about how people in fiction tend to be attractive. Then we can ditch all these specific tropes and their examples, move any interesting ones to the supertrope and list specific patterns in an analysis page.
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard FeynmanClock is set.
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman@ Tuomas: So Race Fetish but more specific? Because between cutting out examples where a character is attracted to someone in spite of their Judaism and examples where they're just "hot Jew" I don't think we've really got enough examples to justify a subtrope here.
Found a Youtube Channel with political stances you want to share? Hop on over to this page and add them.Clock expired a long time ago and no progress since then. Closing.
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
The trope as defined in the text is a variant of Everyone Looks Sexier if French, where someone finds Jews especially attractive. However, many of the examples listed are cases where one member of a romantic couple simply happens to be Jewish, and the other one has never said that s/he prefers Jews, which of course isn't really a trope at all. Also, in some examples it's even mentioned that someone loves a Jewish guy/girl despite her Jewishness, which would be the opposite of Matzo Fever.
On the main page, these examples definitely fall under the categories of "s/he just happens to be Jewish" or "loving someone despite her being a Jew":
But those are just cases where I'm familiar with the work, or where the description makes it clear there's no "Jew fetish" involved, I'm sure several of the other examples don't fit the trope either.
There are also a couple of examples which appear to have nothing to do with romance/attraction as portrayed in the work rather than fandom loving a Jewish person:
So it looks like a major cleanup of examples would be needed for this trope?
edited 26th Jul '16 2:43:14 PM by Tuomas