Is this an example?

Okay. Thanks for the input. It might be worth me putting it to the Bleach forum thread. They can probably decide how the example should be expressed.

If my post doesn't mention a giant flying sperm whale with oversized teeth and lionfish fins for flippers, it just isn't worth reading.

Reposting from the previous page so it doesn't get lost:

Could someone take a look at these examples from Shadowhunters:

• Adult Fear: Both Lightwood siblings have pretty heavy conflicts. For Alec, it's having to choose between being out and proud and living for himself and staying closeted and retaining his parents' hard-earned approval. For Isabelle, it's forcing herself into a repressive persona to take the brunt of her parents' attention off Alec so he has a chance at happiness.

• The Big Damn Kiss:
  • Clary and Jace, after Clary gets the Cup in "Major Arcana." Accompanied by a swelling, dramatic soundtrack, no less.
  • Alec and Magnus in the appropriately titled episode "Malec" after Magnus interrupts Lydia and Alec's wedding and Alec finds the courage to come out rather than marry Lydia and remain closeted and unhappy.

• Hidden Depths: Izzy. She's more than a pretty face. In "Of Men and Angels", one of the crew calls her the best forensic pathologist in New York. And she earns it too, performing an autopsy on a monster and ascertaining why it was there simply through noticing an oddity in its blood.

• Stealth Insult: When Isabelle lends Clary a rather low-cut dress to wear at a party, she gives one of these to Clary:
  You're lucky to have such a flat chest. I could never wear that without a bra!

• Tempting Fate: In the first episode "The Mortal Cup," Simon sings "Forever Young" in his band's gig. In "Bad Blood," he becomes a vampire.

Linking back to my My Hero Academia Sink Or Swim Mentor entries, but also wanted to add one to Safehold, but wasn't sure which trope, if either, it fell under.

In the books, the antagonistic navy of Dohlar develops "Screw Galleys", ships driven by man-powered propellers. They're armored on the front, mount the most powerful guns Dohlar has, and are faster and more maneuverable than the protagonists' sail-based galleons. However, they are firmly restricted to use in coastal waters due to being too fragile to hold up to blue sea waves and weather, and that same fragility means that unless they can keep their armored fronts facing their adversary any solid hit will severely damage or destroy them. Yet, if they can keep their fronts facing the enemy, their armor can protect them from most weapon while the guns mounted there are enough to take on any ship the protagonists' navy has short of their own ironclads and, even then, are instrumental in defeating and capturing one.

With that description, I wasn't sure if the screw galleys fell under Glass Cannon, Fragile Speedster, or both. However their limitations do suggest I can probably put Crippling Overspecialization in there.

edited 3rd Sep '16 1:51:55 PM by sgamer82

Its been 3 days, could someone take a look at the examples I posted above

Is this trope used correctly here?

• Crapsaccharine World: The world of Peco, Eagle Jump's latest project, is a soft and fluffy world that follows a cute female protagonist who kills other characters, skins them, and then wears the skin as a disguise to easily kill others. Saved from being gory because everyone else in Peco is a living stuffed animal.

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Would Impossibly Graceful Giant be applicable to all examples of Big Creepy-Crawlies (which, even if "merely" human-sized, are genuinely giants when compared to the actual arthropods they're based on) that move with the same agility and multi-limbed coordination as their real-life counterparts do, on grounds that the physics involving both aerodynamics and their own anatomy/physiology do not scale up that way at all?

edited 7th Sep '16 2:50:10 PM by MarqFJA

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Seems like it fits.

If it's just about humanish sized crawlies, I don't think it would fit. "Giant" is in comparison to human size. Something the size of a human could reasonably be expected to move at the speed of a human. A quick and agile human.

Although I'm not sure "coordination" is anything that's included in the trope, and crawlies aren't really that agile even when small. Their limbs have less degree of motion than creatures with internal skeletons. If they'd move at the same relative speed as they do when small, something like a spider would Flash Step quite a bit, and at the very least all of them would move at super speeds, since otherwise you're scaling down their speed with their size.

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Its been 6 days, could someone take a look at the examples I posted above x6

Does it still count as Taking the Bullet if the person intercepting the bullet still lives? For example, in Creature Feature, during the climax of "A Corpse in My Bed", Dani tries to shoot Erik, only for Curtis to step in. Since the bullet went through his hand and into his leg, it didn't kill him. (At least not immediately.)

Yes. It even says, "Sometimes they get better, sometimes they don't," so I think you're on pretty solid ground.

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Well, that's true, but from what little I gathered over the years, arthropod musculature wouldn't be capable of human-level speed of movement if the arthropod in question was scaled up to human size. I think it has to do with the type of muscles, the lack of an endoskeleton to provide attachment points, the arthropodal circulatory and respiratory systems being inefficient at that scale, and similar biology-related issues. It's a shame that nobody did sufficiently extensive research on this topic to use as an actual reference.

It's the "same relative speed" bit that appears to be science-defying from what I've come across, in part due to the Square-Cube Law. Like I said above, though, there doesn't seem to be any dedicated investigation of what scientific impossibilities exist in the typical manner of scaling up arthropods to human size.

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On a different note, would a drider/arachne creating a makeshift slingshot by lifting their frontmost pair of legs in the air and attaching a line of highly elastic webbing between them count as an example of Improvised Weapon and, if they use it regularly as part of their arsenal, Improbable Weapon User?

edited 12th Sep '16 6:49:20 AM by MarqFJA

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According to the same science, giant bugs are impossible, since they'd collapse under their own weight. It's fair to assume that if they exist, they're not exactly like their smaller kinds.

I would probably count the other example as an Improvised Weapon if that trope includes weapons crafted in non-standard ways, but not an Improbable Weapon User. A slingshot is a proper weapon, even if it's an improvised build.

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They should, but most writers and animators don't bother even trying to explain how they can exist, and in fact tend to depict them with scaled-up versions of their realistically-sized counterparts' biologies even when it's patently obvious to anyone who does enough research on the topic that it's impossible for such a biology to work (circulation and respiration being the biggest offenders; there's a reason why all air-breathing vertebrates use true lung-based respiration and a closed circulatory system, after all).

But Improvised Weapon describes Improbable Weapon User as follows: "A person who uses one of these as their standard weapon may be an Improbable Weapon User. Or a Ninja."

Improbable Weapon User corrobates this by the following line in its description: "For one-time examples, see Improvised Weapon."

So unless both of those two lines are wrong, if it can count as Improvised Weapon for one-time uses, then having it as a Weapon Of Choice should count as Improbable Weapon User.

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Generally, never rely on a definition of a trope coming from another trope. They're about as reliable as using laconic descriptions for accurate trope descriptions. Also, "may be" means it may not be, which means it's similar to a Converse Error reasoning. It could hold true, but it's false to say it should hold true.

I'm still leaning towards it being an actual weapon, which might count as improvised, but it's not improbable, since it's still an actual weapon.

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A person drinks a toast in memory of someone dead or departed. They pour two glasses, but only drink one.

Is this...anything? It feels like Libation for the Dead but that specifies the practice of pouring a drink on the ground.

While I cannot find any YKTTW drafts for the two tropes, the archived discussion for Improbable Weapon User seems to imply that at least the line in said trope's article was put there a long time ago (possibly since the inception of said trope) for the express purpose of separating Improvised Weapon examples from true Improbable Weapon User ones. This may imply that the line in Improvised Weapon may have a similar history behind it.

You make a good point regarding Converse Error, though; that part needs to be a bit clearer on when "Improvised Weapon as one's standard weapon" does and does not qualify as Improbable Weapon User... assuming that it's not simply a misphrasing.

edited 15th Sep '16 5:21:20 AM by MarqFJA

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Its been 13 days, could someone take a look at the examples I posted above x15

Would this sound like a relevant addition to Awesome.Hamilton?

• Two crew members of Hamilton also helped adapt The Wiz and Grease for network TV, and earned Emmy Awards for their efforts a mere three months after winning their Hamilton Tonys: Thomas Kail for directing Grease, and Paul Tazewell for designing the costumes of The Wiz.

Seems pretty irrelevant, honestly.

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I'm trying to understand You Shouldn't Know This Already and maybe add a few examples. I find that some examples are rather simple such as a certain move that only requires a command from the player cannot be done until the character formally unlock that move.

So would these count?

• Kirby Squeak Squad: Some of the Copy Scrolls would add an extra command move to a specific copy ability in the game. Obviously, you cannot perform those moves by yourself even if you know the command before you get the scrolls.
• Mega Man ZX: your alternate forms, Models HX, FX, LX and PX, have an extra move for each form that you can't perform the first time you acquire the forms. To unlock it, you have to beat other bosses that will strengthen your forms, allowing you to perform those extra moves.

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For Shadowhunters, they mostly seem fine except:

Stealth Insult seems more like Sugary Malice as written.

Tempting Fate seems more Harsher in Hindsight, as it's written without enough context to be sure if it's tempting fate.

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Could someone take a look at these examples.

YMMV.Maximum Ride:

• Ass Pull: When the kids develop all kinds of new powers in The Final Warning, there's no proper explanation for why they've got those kinds of powers in particular, or for why they all got the new powers at roughly the same time even though they're of different ages.
• Author's Saving Throw: The entirety of Maximum Ride Forever could be viewed as an attempt to patch the disastrously-received ending of Nevermore. Let's just say it didn't work.

ComicBook.Max Ride First Flight:

• Adaptation Distillation: The plot is greatly simplified, with many of the New York scenes (such as one where the Flock visits a fancy restaurant) excised completely.

ComicBook.The Multiversity:

• Dropped a Bridge on Him: Despite being a main character in the Guidebook issue, the only clue to Chibi!Dick Grayson's fate in Multiversity #1 is during a brief montage, where it's shown that he was hanged by the Atomic Knights.

Film.Project Almanac:

• Noodle Incident: These start popping up towards the end of the film, events occur that are never explained and NOT EVEN the protagonists know what happened hinting that something has gone horribly wrong.

YMMV.Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles 2014:

• Creepy Good: Michelangelo is often received this way, between the Uncanny Valley and Chivalrous Pervert tropes.

So, I haven't written an example yet, but I just saw (announced as of this morning) the new "pulp style" cover for Neil Gaiman's novel Anansi Boys. My question- the way Mr. Nancy is dressed on the cover qualify as Pimp Duds, right? What with the Nice Hat and the garish (albeit high quality) clothing. And the scantily clad women around him (speaking of which, is there a trope for that- the closest I can think of is Sexy Man, Instant Harem, but not sure that's quite right).

It's funny because that actually is an fairly accurate depiction of the novel's opening scene (Mr. Nancy singing at a karaoke bar in the Caribbean with some attractive young tourists), but that's not exactly the first impression the cover gives of the situation.

edited 22nd Sep '16 8:26:38 AM by Hodor2

Its been 4 days, could someone take a look at the examples I posted above

I have to admit that I'm not entirely clear on what qualifies for What Happened to the Mouse?. Is this an example?

• What Happened to the Mouse?: As of Episode 50, almost every ally who could have been killed when the Chroma Conclave took over Emon has been accounted for^* Uriel and Brom Goldhand are confirmed dead; Allura, Asum, Tofor, Gilmore, Sherry, Dr. Dranzel, Kaylie, and the Sovereign's wife and children are alive; and all the guards and servants at the keep escape with Vox Machina...except for Kynan, who later returns in Episode 67, but on the side of Dr. Ripley.

This is from Critical Role. For context, the last time this character made an appearance before his reappearance in a recent episode, his story was pretty much concluded, and there wouldn't have been much reason to bring him up again, even if he was in the city during the attack. He wasn't actively involved in anything, so it isn't a sudden disappearance either.

edited 26th Sep '16 5:42:17 PM by supergod

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