Misuse Alt-names Crowner 14/3/12: YMMV

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I think it should be clear this isn't a repair shop issue, YMMV isn't broken it only has a lot of excessive wicks due to the change in how the term is used in the wiki. This is a Special Efforts thread. I can't say I'll comb through the wiki looking specifically for the term but I will zap it when I find it.
27 SeptimusHeap28th Jan 2012 11:49:13 AM from Laniakea , Relationship Status: Mu
You might have a point there, but the problem I see is that this page combines wiki policy guideline and misuse bait in one. Cleaning up misuse isn't really useful if more misuse comes in.
28 SeptimusHeap9th Feb 2012 01:46:02 PM from Laniakea , Relationship Status: Mu
To reiterate:
  1. Since YMMV is not a trope but a guideline page (and an index) it should go under Administrivia.YMMV or YMMV.Home Page, but not under /Main/.
  2. Having bluelinked pages YMMV and Your Mileage May Vary only leads to misuse, as the wick check shows. On the other hand, it has enough inbounds and actual usefulness that it should be kept as a disambiguation/disclaimer page like This Troper, rather than cut or redirected.
  3. While some of the misuse is due to the lack of cleanup after the redefinition of Your Mileage May Vary, other misuse is ongoing one and can't be addressed by a cleanup alone, but only by redlinking.
What's wrong with having indexes in Main/? Most indexes are in Main/.
Rhymes with "Protracted."
30 shimaspawn9th Feb 2012 02:20:00 PM from Here and Now , Relationship Status: In your bunk
YMMV is an index. Indexs go in the main. Thus YMMV goes in the main. Simple.
Reality is that, which when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away.

-Philip K. Dick
31 SeptimusHeap10th Feb 2012 04:50:04 AM from Laniakea , Relationship Status: Mu
[up] Because they attract misuse as tropes.

EDIT To Add: And because YMMV isn't a trope. Many indexes are supertropes or genre lists. This one is not.

Anyway, the main point is to make YMMV harder to wick to since it only makes trouble.

edited 10th Feb '12 7:13:40 AM by SeptimusHeap

32 SeptimusHeap13th Feb 2012 08:10:00 AM from Laniakea , Relationship Status: Mu
OK, so can we at least move this to some other page soa s to stop the misuse, or should a clean-up suffice?
33 SeptimusHeap17th Feb 2012 08:21:19 AM from Laniakea , Relationship Status: Mu
Bumping. I'd like to see an idea about this:

(and note that "Unclear" means "incorrect, but not specified")

This gives 2 "ghost wicks" and 2 correct uses among 76 incorrect ones - a 95% misuse rate.
34 SeptimusHeap4th Mar 2012 04:07:30 AM from Laniakea , Relationship Status: Mu
My goodness, this just keeps dying.

So there are several options on the table: Mine on the previous page, the cleanup-only one at the top of this one and doing nothing. Do we need a crowner at this stage.
Dragon Writer
Crowner time?

IMHO, I have never liked the "YMMV" label. Yes, I know it's an abbreviation and a synonym for "Subjective Trope" (or "subjective example"), but as samples show people are linking it like a Stock Phrase. Seriously, 7000 wikilinks and a high proportion of sinkholes is a level that otherwise only "If You Know What I Mean" could reach.
36 SeptimusHeap4th Mar 2012 08:09:37 AM from Laniakea , Relationship Status: Mu
Yeah, that page invites misuse like you invite a vampire in. It has enough meaning that it should stay, but not enough that we can afford leaving it a bluelink -especially since the misuse seems to be partly leftover and partly ongoing.

Of course, a fake redlink will need the current index to be moved somewhere else, since you can't edit fake-redlinks without blueshifting them.

I will take another opinion before going to a crowner.
Dragon Writer
If no cleanup was ever performed, maybe take it to Special Efforts?
38 SeptimusHeap4th Mar 2012 10:56:39 AM from Laniakea , Relationship Status: Mu
[up]There is ongoing misuse and a rule against it - Examples Are Not Arguable (to which Examples Are Not YMMV is a redirect). I seriously doubt that a cleanup alone will suffice under these circumstances.
39 SeptimusHeap5th Mar 2012 10:43:54 AM from Laniakea , Relationship Status: Mu
OK, so I've made a Page Action crowner to decide on the course to take, since the problem is acknowledged but there are different solution proposals.
40 SeptimusHeap9th Mar 2012 04:58:40 AM from Laniakea , Relationship Status: Mu
Bumping for more votes so that it can be resolved.
41 SeptimusHeap12th Mar 2012 04:05:13 PM from Laniakea , Relationship Status: Mu
Hopefully the last bump, as for now the options in green:
  • Cleanup is at 11/1
  • Split the index/administrative guideline off is at 12/2
  • Redlink the redirects is at 9/1

Do nothing is at 1/7 red.

A few more votes for the top options and this one can proceed.
42 ccoa13th Mar 2012 07:43:39 AM from the Sleeping Giant
Ravenous Sophovore
Looks like votes are still coming in. Let's give it another day.
Waiting on a TRS slot? Finishing off one of these cleaning efforts will usually open one up.
43 ccoa14th Mar 2012 05:46:20 AM from the Sleeping Giant
Ravenous Sophovore
Calling the crowner. None of the top three options are mutually exclusive, please implement them all.
Waiting on a TRS slot? Finishing off one of these cleaning efforts will usually open one up.
44 SeptimusHeap14th Mar 2012 06:16:01 AM from Laniakea , Relationship Status: Mu
Before we can implement the split, we'll need the name of the page we are splitting the guideline into - I've made an alt-titles crowner here.

About the fake redlinking, Your Mileage May Vary has too many inbounds to be cut and several past requests for Your Milage May Vary were declined, so I will ask Eddie to redlink both pages.


edited 14th Mar '12 8:02:25 AM by SeptimusHeap

45 BestOf14th Mar 2012 07:40:46 AM from Finland , Relationship Status: Falling within your bell curve
Thread renamed and Crowners swapped.
Quod gratis asseritur, gratis negatur.
46 SeptimusHeap14th Mar 2012 09:37:11 AM from Laniakea , Relationship Status: Mu
Also, I've created Sandbox.YMMV for the proposed disambiguation/disclaimer to put in where YMMV now is.
47 SeptimusHeap14th Mar 2012 09:43:31 AM from Laniakea , Relationship Status: Mu
I have to downvote anything without "YMMV" in the name as we are still calling the namespace /YMMV/. And we renamed Subjective Tropes for being a misnomer.
Home Page is not already the ymmv page? EDIT:I guess none of the names with "tropes" is a good idea. YMMV are not tropes.

edited 14th Mar '12 9:59:07 AM by MagBas

49 SeptimusHeap14th Mar 2012 09:56:37 AM from Laniakea , Relationship Status: Mu
No, it's a redirect to YMMV. About[up], Complete Monster is a trope but still YMMV. Not all YMMV's are Audience Reactions.

edited 14th Mar '12 10:16:38 AM by SeptimusHeap

50 SeptimusHeap18th Mar 2012 03:07:52 AM from Laniakea , Relationship Status: Mu
Bumping, vote tally so far:

Everything else in red, and no fake-redlinking of the redirects has occurred yet.

Alternative Titles: YMMV
14th Mar '12 6:11:28 AM
Vote up names you like, vote down names you don't. Whether or not the title will actually be changed is determined with a different kind of crowner (the Single Proposition crowner). This one just collects and ranks alternative titles.
At issue:
Previous crowner showed consensus support to split the administrative guideline off the YMMV page so that it can be redlinked.

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