Does wanting to destroy the universe make a character inherently evil?
...I dunno.
Read my stories!Most people are flavors of neutral: The plurality alignment is Neutral Selfish, though.
You exist because we allow it and you will end because we demand it.Does wanting to destroy the universe make a character inherently evil?
Actually why would it not reflect Chaotic Evil?
For the purposes of simple division, probably not. But if one is to factor in Blue-and-Orange Morality and the Knight Templar Complex... Yes. Heck, three of my key antagonists want to annihilate everything in existence, and only one of them can really be called "ill-intentioned."
edited 6th May '11 2:03:26 PM by JHM
I'll hide your name inside a word and paint your eyes with false perception.Actually, Knight Templars certainly can be Evil.
...from a conventional perspective. What I'm saying is that, for some characters, trying to judge them in terms of Black-and-White Morality or even Grey-and-Gray Morality is essentially futile, as their beliefs or motivations may drive them to alternately kick or pet any number of proverbial dogs seemingly without rhyme or reason.
I'll hide your name inside a word and paint your eyes with false perception.Hmm...:
- Justin Peterson: Lawful Good, at first. Even though he's a Serial-Killer Killer, the public and the government welcome him with open arms, and his intentions are for justice. Of course, he slips into Lawful Neutral, and then Lawful Evil.
- Landras: Orange And Blue Morality, but seems True Neutral. She mostly observes. And the little interactions she has have little moral intention.
- Ian Down: Orange And Blue Morality, probably True Neutral. He's a vampire.
- Mary Malone: True Neutral, possibly Neutral Good. She only wants to know what's wrong with her carnival.
- Kevin Chandler: Neutral Good. He wants to do something good in life, but it's hard.
- Devver: True Neutral or Chaotic Good. He's a free-spirits who wants to experience the high seas.
edited 6th May '11 2:46:19 PM by chihuahua0
Maybe, but this trope is related to Dn D alignment which is based on the notion that Good, Evil, Order and Chaos are literal forces of that universe.
Also Dever sounds more like he's Chaotic rather than Neutral.
edited 6th May '11 2:17:27 PM by KSonik
Aurus: My readers call him Chaotic Neutral or Evil. I'm not sure. He has a code of behavior, but it's very thin and very childish since the main points are: Never lie, evildoers always die, and the pursuit of happiness through candy, fashion, and play. He could probably be Lawful Stupid if he had more laws in his mental schema.
Niccolo: Lawful Evil. He's a Mafia Boss with standards and is a control freak.
Landon: Lawful Good.
Wolff: Lawful Good. She and Landon are law enforcement, so yeah.
Epifan: Chaotic Neutral. She pretty much opens being a vampire with "screw the rules, they never made me happy."
I still like to apply them to my characters, even though I use a lot of White and Gray Morality and Gray-and-Grey Morality, and also Gray-and-Black Morality. I like my grays.
Well, Devver develops into a Chaotic Good character.
edited 6th May '11 2:35:29 PM by chihuahua0
*...*
Say ""Stop Having Fun" Guys," and I will waste you with my orgone cannon.
Same.
edited 6th May '11 2:23:42 PM by JHM
I'll hide your name inside a word and paint your eyes with false perception.You were talking to me?!
Yes...
(If you took that as any more than a playful jab, I sincerely apologise.)
edited 6th May '11 2:30:43 PM by JHM
I'll hide your name inside a word and paint your eyes with false perception.Who else would I be talking too?
And were you trying to say, "You are talking to me?", because the tense is confusing me.
- Mark: True Neutral. Cirsumstances just put him against a Knight Templar society.
- Samar'thra: Neutral Good. She wants to save the Republic against the forces of evil.
- John Knight: Lawful Good. He's a police man, and he cares for others. However, he has moments that leans more towards True Neutral.
All alignments are from the POV's perspective. Seriously, Justin probably has the most foggy alignment.
edited 6th May '11 2:45:57 PM by chihuahua0
With the exception of a few characters and situations, I like to implement Grayand Grey Morality, so if I wanted to tell the story from another point of view, both the heroes and villians could be justified in their decisions.
edited 6th May '11 2:42:10 PM by BetsyandtheFiveAvengers
Well, if good, neutral, and evil are played to be actual forces in that universe, I don't know if the character who wants to destroy the universe counts considering most of him exists outside of the universe.
My MC is ether really Chaotic Good or really Lawful Good, depending on which set of rules you think are more important.
…Which, now that I think about it, is some really nice weasel-wording for "he's really, really, REALLY Chaotic Good", despite the fact he's playing The Fettered, which just makes that even more confusing. Especially since he started out a bit more Neutral Good.
Everyone else… I'd have to say they're pretty much dominated by the "watch out for the 'us'" Neutral mindset, for whatever given interpretation of "us" you go by, and more than a few ego-centric villains straddle Neutral and Evil because they simply don't care about humans. Not that there aren't a lot of other Good characters too, but a lot of their good qualities get blended into the background, or they end up as Hero Antagonists.
Nemo enim fere saltat sobrius, nisi forte insanit Deviantart.My best guesses would be:
Caroline: Neutral Good-ish. Joseph: Neutral Good. Kestrel: True Neutral. Maybe Chaotic Neutral if she's in a bad mood. Morpheus: Lawful Neutral. Salanda: True Neutral, becoming more Lawful over time. Aurelia: True Neutral. Cal: Neutral Good. Lenore: Lawful Good. John: True Neutral. Jacques: Lawful Neutral. Donatello: Neutral Evil-ish. Thomas: True Neutral.
Scepticism and doubt lead to study and investigation, and investigation is the beginning of wisdom. - Clarence Darrow- Yuki: Neutral Good, shades of Chaotic Good.
- Amaya: Neutral Good
- Leo: Lawful Good
- Lena: Chaotic Good
- Mordecai: Chaotic Neutral
What. I'm not biased towards Chaos, I don't know what you're talking about.
No one believes me when I say angels can turn their panties into guns.Gant- Was formerly Chaotic Evil, is now lighter shade of Lawful Evil or a dark Lawful Neutral, being a cold and cruel guy, but with a strict code and a variety of restrictions on whom he hurts.
Itou- Chaotic Neutral. She's a mercenary who doesn't much care for morals and conduct, but she does have her limits. She's in it for fun.
Holz- Lawful Neutral. He has a code founded in his religion and he does not break it. End of story.
edited 6th May '11 3:31:24 PM by Morgulion
This is this.As previously stated, in spite of my views on Blue-and-Orange Morality and its prevalence in my work, I still like having alignment as an organisational system for those of my characters who aren't of a ludicrously alien mindset, or at least are strongly enough inclined in a given direction to indicate some classification. Plus, I like lists. Making them is like playing with Legos via telekinesis, but different, too...
So, here we go:
Lawful Good: Lt. Bartholomew, Tamar.
Neutral Good: Phillip, Ianto, Sed, Börte post-Character Development.
Chaotic Good: Emil, Shamash, Carlyle.
Lawful Neutral: Ophaniel, Lt. Crossley, Börte, Timon.
True Neutral: Perry, Ariadne, Sgt. Marsh, Godfrey, Marlowe.
Chaotic Neutral: Sgt. Lesser, Blake.
Lawful Evil: Vasile, Lt. Ashford, Sixtus.
Neutral Evil: Evan the Grey, Holtmann, possibly Timon.
Chaotic Evil: The Black Court, Nathalie, Sgt. Lesser post-Moral Event Horizon.
Lawful Stupid: #54 & 79.
Chaotic Stupid: The Mantis.
Other: The White Court, Baraqiel, the Maker of Masks, Haon-Dor, possibly Sixtus.
edited 29th May '11 12:02:21 PM by JHM
I'll hide your name inside a word and paint your eyes with false perception.Most of my characters fall somewhere on the chaotic or neutral axes.
- Vinicio Acquati is True Neutral because, as he's found over the centuries, it's just easier for him to not take sides. In the past, he was likely closer to Neutral Evil.
- Kiyoi Shimada is most likely, after much thought, Lawful Good. He's indebted to his country and wants it to prosper, and is also bound by the rules of his religion, being Shinto and all.
- Akura Shimada is more Selfish Evil than anything. If you want to go by standard alignments, you could call him a mild case of Neutral Evil or a very antiheroic example of Neutral Good with a liberal dash of Good Is Not Nice.
- Viktor "Vitya" Kunstler is prone to doing things because they fill the time. He has nobody he's really responsible to and ultimately just wants to keep living his life. So I'd call him a more mellow example of Chaotic Neutral.
For some extra flavor, let's add a few others in.
- Bianca Aurelia Cline, one of Vince's grandchildren, is a slightly stronger example of Lawful Good than Kiyoi. As an adult, she becomes elected to her country's senate and holds a moderate leftist stance on the political alignment scale.
- Anaru the elven swordsman wants to be seen as Neutral Good, but slips more into Stupid Good at least half the time when he doesn't think things through.
- Lucio Alessandri is... a complicated case. He is undoubtedly a good guy who wants to make the world a little more fair, but ultimately clashes with the likes of Kiyoi, Vince, and co. due to his methods. Being something of an invalid in his society, he usually has to resort to drastic methods to get things done. So I guess you could categorize him as a morally gray example of Lawful Good, or a mild example of Lawful Evil.
edited 7th May '11 8:02:53 PM by CrystalGlacia
"Jack, you have debauched my sloth."I don't know how this works entirely, so I'm just posting some of my characters and their alignments
1. Traz(Half demonic-dragon)= Chaotic Good with shading toward Chaotic Neutral- A royal wild card, he's actually a good person, but acts like a jerk off sometimes 2. Blitzer(energy elemental in human form)= Lawful Neutral- He believes in fulfilling his duties, but will kill a man who dares beg form him for money 3. Lilith(nearly immortal witch)= Lawful Neutral- she believes that duties need to be done, but will kill anyone close to the person she's protecting
I think I may not have the hang of alignments right, can anyone tell me how close I am
I'm curious, what do you feel the Character Alignment for your characters is?
Here are mine, as I see them, anyway:
- Akiko = Chaotic Neutral (she wants comfort, stability, and freedom above all else - she is willing to do just about anything to achieve these things, and will side with whoever agrees to help her. She is blunt, and says things as she sees them (which gets her into serious trouble), regardless of who it may hurt (with the sole exception of her daughter.)
- Mikami = Neutral Good (by the end, though, she's been disillusioned, and is more cynical - certainly not broken, but no longer the idealist she once was.)
- Inagi = Chaotic Evil (with a helping of Lawful Evil as being one of this guy's...problems when dealing with others - like any sociopath, he holds others to strict rules in a very rigid fashion, yet thinks himself above them.)
What are yours?