YMMV / Fate/Apocrypha

  • Base-Breaking Character:
    • Sieg. Some like him and consider him an interesting take on Nasuverse protagonists with a good arc that fleshes him out into a hero, but others think of him as a bland, badly-written Marty Stu character whose presence in the story is barely felt and takes time away from other more interesting characters (most prominently, Siegfried himself), and keeps getting undeserved power ups from other characters that don't even know him (most blatantly, Fran's sacrifice that somehow empowered him). Comparisons with Shirou Emiya are rather rampant, especially their bad points. Not to mention those who are divided on his pairing with Jeanne; which comes off as either rather cringey, forced and hollow, or enjoyable for similarities to Arturia and Shirou. It's on the level that his voice actor Natsuki Hanae, said that he will strife hard to make Sieg likable. But as the anime rolls in, debates about Sieg are raging again, just like in 2012...
    • Astolfo. One side of fans (especially the people on certain Image Boards) has had a soft spot for Astolfo since day one, most likely because of him looking exactly like a cute, pink-haired little girl, and his earnest personality and relationship with Sieg won him other fans. Over time Hype Backlash ensued and there are a lot of other fans who consider him shallow Pandering to the Base otaku bait with an irritating and bratty personality.
    • Frankenstein, who went from The Scrappy to this. She first gained and still has a lot of hate for being a cute female, when Frankenstein's monster's hideous appearance was central to its story. Outside of her design, she's also disliked for how little she factors into the story, as she gets only a few skirmishes and two notable fight scenes with Shirou Kotomine and Mordred to showcase her ability, and then is one of the first Servants to die with very little elaboration on her personality (which is what saved Chiron and Achilles) and serves no greater purpose in the narrative aside from saving Sieg's life and giving him some extra power. The anime attempted to rectify this by giving her relationship with Caules more focus, and the reveal that she suffered just as much as the original Frankenstein's Monster and her Dying Moment of Awesome against Mordred managed to win her several fans.
  • Ensemble Darkhorse:
    • Karna has been popular from very early in development due to his interesting legend, awesome design, and incredible abilities. His Canon Immigrant appearance in Fate/Extra CCC (and Extella) made his popularity absolutely skyrocket even before his on-screen debut in Apocrypha anime.
    • Atalanta. Like Karna, she was popular from very early on, and her role in the novel proper just elevated this.
    • Achilles. While at first he was hated for replacing Saint George, his rebellious personality and Blood Knight tendencies started to grow on the fans, moreover his Big Damn Heroes moment, defeating both Chiron and later Atalanta, at the cost of his life but freeing her from Jack's Ghosts' control, and giving Astolfo the means to survive Vasavi Shakti, thus being the only reason as to why the heroes managed to win in the end, won him more than a few fans
    • Semiramis. Besides the obvious, Semiramis gained a lot of popularity because Assassins were considered something of Memetic Loser (with the exception of Fate EXTRA). She was also a very unconventional Servant and quite the Magnificent Bastard within the story, many fans also liked her romance with Shirou, giving her further depth.
    • In the anime, the unnamed female homunculus that Sieg saves on the battlefield started to gain traction in the community, particularly once she goes out her way to help Sieg rescue the other Yggdmillenia homunuculi. Her slight resemblance to Maiya Hisau might have something to do with it, as well as surviving a battle with Achilles.
  • Fan-Preferred Couple:
    • Sieg/Astolfo is way more liked than the canonical Sieg/Jeanne.
    • Fran/Caules is one of the most popular pairings amongst the Servant/Master pairs and even went so far as to help redeem Frankenstein in some viewers' eyes.
  • Fetish Retardant: Jackie the Ripper's odd body proportions can be this to some people. Basically, she has the upper body of a small, delicate child, but from the waist and down she's a fully grown woman with very wide hips and thick thighs. And that's not even starting on her outfit. Luckily her new and improved artwork from Volume 2 have fixed the worst of this by giving her a normal physique.
  • Franchise Original Sin:
    • As good of a premise the Holy Grail War is (a battle royale among seven Master-Servant pairs), it also bears the risk of having too many major characters for effective storytelling. The visual novel Fate/stay night takes 3 mutually-exclusive routes to fully explore all of its characters through the protagonist's perspective; Fate/Zero manages to keep a balance on all participants with more focus placed on Kiritsugu and Kirei but not before a 45-minute Infodump first episode. The cast of Fate/Apocrypha is overblown with two teams, fourteen Servants and fourteen Masters on both sides plus Ruler plus Sieg. As a consequence, five Masters of Red are just extras, many Servants have as much background story as the Servant you draw from Fate/Grand Order gacha, and the lack of focus on characters is constantly brought up as a criticism on the show.
    • For Fate spin-offs, this is the point when Fanservice in character design becomes egregious. The larger set of Servants makes room for two Saberfacesnote , two Gender Flip charactersnote  and one Dude Looks Like a Lady. Female characters are also noticeably bustier and/or more Stripperific than in Fate/Zero and Fate/stay night [Unlimited Blade Works].
  • Fridge Brilliance:
    • Amakusa Shirou being summoned makes some amount of sense, as he was a native to the country where the third Holy Grail War was taking place.
    • Waver Velvet still went on to become Lord El-Melloi II even though the Fourth Grail War didn't happen. The Fridge Brilliance kicks in when you remember the paper he wrote (that was ridiculed by Kayneth, the first Lord El-Melloi) asserted that hard work and dedication could allow a magus to overcome the disadvantage of a limited lineage. From the look of it, he was right. Similarly, because the Fourth Grail War didn't happen, Kayneth presumably died in a way that left his Crest intact for transplantation in the next Lord El-Melloi. And seeing as Waver controls a Volumen Hydragyrum...
  • Hilarious in Hindsight: Yuusuke Kobayashi is forced to interact with an Emotionless Girl, who has a powerful mace and who is inclined to fall into berserker mode. Hmm, have we already seen this somewhere?
  • Internet Backdraft: The announcement that the anime adaptation would only be streamed on Japanese Netflix was not taken lightly by anyone in the anime community, who collectively called out Netflix for effectively killing any hype or good will the anime might have gained during its broadcast season. The fact that Western Netflix won't receive it until almost four months later did not make it any better.
  • Jerkass Woobie:
    • Jack the Ripper and Reika. Sure, they have some horrific backstories, but they are also really into killing criminals, or people they perceive as such.
    • Also applies to Mordred. While she is violent and abrasive, she was rejected by her "father" and had her dreams of being a perfect knight dashed. Not to mention being the pawn of her mother, Morgan le Fay.
  • Just Here for Godzilla: Long-time Fate fans mostly watch this series for their favorite Servants such as Karna, Semiramis, or Achilles, not the plot.
  • Launcher of a Thousand Ships:
    • Sieg, who in addition to his canon love interest Jeanne also gets shipped with Astolfo for their friendship (and the fact Astolfo's bisexual) and with Mordred for their Foe Yay and eventual rivalry.
    • Astolfo, who gets shipped with Sieg, Jeanne, Mordred, Siegfried...
  • LGBT Fanbase: Not surprisingly, given the presence in the work of characters such as Astolfo, who has an androgynous appearance and identifies himself as a bisexual, and Mordred, who can be perceived as a genderqueer because of her manliness and refusal to consider herself a girl yet still having little to no problem wearing Stripperific clothing.
  • Magnificent Bastard: Shirou Kotomine and Semiramis are definitely a bastard duo for their devious schemes, especially when they hypnotized the other Red Masters so they can have control over the Red Servants in their own bidding.
  • Memetic Mutation:
    • Being Lancer Is Wonderful Explanation 
    • Who can Karna defeat? Explanation 
    • Fiore wants the horse D Explanation 
    • Fiore is Doc Ock Explanation (spoilers) 
    • Mordred is a Decepticon Explanation 
    • Then why does Berserker go berserk?Explanation 
    • Spartacus used Sparta Kick!Explanation 
  • Moe:
    • Fiore, Astolfo, Frankenstein and Roche being the prime examples.
    • Mordred's Fan Nickname is Moedred.
  • Most Annoying Sound: For some reasons, the sound effect for explosion in the anime is really grating on ears.
  • Narm: The anime adaptation has several unintentionally funny moments, whether it was because of the source-material, or the bad animations itself.
    • Celenike's out of nowhere Lecherous Licking on Astolfo, at least in the anime. There is literally no explanation for the two times it happens, and Astolfo's bored expression left many confused as to what even the scene was trying to do. Bonus point for fans who think it is gratuituous Yuri fanservice and later find out it is not.
    • Rider of Red's, Achilles, armor looks oddly too big for him in the anime, making him look absolutely scrawny and causing many to laugh at how silly he looks.
    • Fran's Freak-Out in the anime is suitably Tear Jerker and Nightmare Fuel material... at least until one gets a good look at her animation during the climax of the breakdown when she's beating the copy of Victor Frankenstein to death and it looks like her limbs and mouth suddenly became longer and stretchier, like a Tom and Jerry episode. Given who she is it might have been intentional, but it can still draw an inappropriate giggle out of the scene.
    • Vlad's Legend of Dracula outright transforms him into a Scooby-Doo villain, with hammy dialogue (from Darnic), complete with scrawny arms, red pupils, and awkward bat wings.
  • Narm Charm: Mind Screw is the story of the birth of Mordred, which was conceived between a Saber who turned into a man and her half-sister, who later turned a child into a clone of "father", can be quite amusing for some. The fact that the original Mordred was also a child of Surprise Incest does not help much.
  • Rescued from the Scrappy Heap:
    • Chiron's personality has saved him from a lot of his previous hate. Achilles's personality also bailed him out in the eyes of his previous hate-dom.
    • Shirou. He is remembered by most as a bad villain from a base-breaking series, with questionable motivation. But his memorable appearances and most importantly, better writing in Fate/Grand Order rescued him. Now, the readers of the original novel are looking ahead to The Reveal about him.
    • Frankenstein didn't completely escape the hate, but her Dying Moment of Awesome and relationship with Caules won over many of her previous haters.
  • Self-Fanservice: While it's fairly obvious Astolfo is supposed to look androgynous leaning towards cute girl, he still has some masculine features as seen in the manga adaptation and in the anime to some extent. You wouldn't be able to tell from fanart though, since it does away with those to give him a more overtly feminine appearance.
  • They Wasted a Perfectly Good Plot:
    • The premise of the story is basically "what if the Grail War was teams", and the start of the story focuses on that aspect of it. Yet despite the set up and premise of a team deathmatch story for the Grail, the story shifts to Sieg and focuses on only him, leaving almost all the other Servants and Masters aside from Kairi and Shirou as throwaway characters. And they really became throwaways come the final part of the story.
    • Somehow, the author managed to land a concept of a war which included Vlad the Impaler susceptible to being overwritten by the Legend of Dracula, Frankenstein's Monster, and Shakespeare, and not once have them chat about the nature of fictional creations.
  • Tough Act to Follow: Even with the Alternate Timeline premise and being handled by a different studio, the anime cannot escape being compared to Fate/Zero or Unlimited Blade Works anime, especially in the animation department. Not to mention the adaptation of Heaven's Feel and Prisma Illya movie to come, and both trailers feature very smooth animation and awesome music.
  • Viewer Gender Confusion: Many of the fansub groups portrayed Astolfo as a girl, incorrectly identifying his gender because of his feminine nature. Though this is probably the intended reaction, it doesn't help some characters; namely Jeanne, are also confused and end up using female pronouns (which also caused translation errors, namely writing the subs for his correct gender!)
  • The Woobie: Jack the Ripper. Reading her backstory is absolutely heartbreaking, especially if you knew about what life was like in Victorian London beyond what's given there.

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/YMMV/FateApocrypha