History YMMV / FateApocrypha

15th Jun '17 2:13:52 AM 00Altair
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** Likewise, Joan of Arc and Shakespeare never meet or comment on each other, despite [[HenryVIPart1 one of the latter's plays]] being famous for depicting Joan as a [[HistoricalVillainUpgrade scheming villainess]] and starting the trend of anti-Joan English propaganda.
23rd May '17 10:50:24 AM urutapu
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** Frankenstein, who gained a lot of hate for being a cute female, when Frankenstein's monster's hideous appearance was central to its story. Outside of her design, she's also disliked for how useless she was in the story, as she is one of the first Servants to die and serves no purpose narrative wise.

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** Frankenstein, who gained a lot of hate for being a cute female, when Frankenstein's monster's hideous appearance was central to its story. Outside of her design, she's also disliked for how useless she was in the story, as she is one of the first Servants to die and serves no greater purpose narrative wise.in the narrative.
23rd May '17 10:45:04 AM keyblade333
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* RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap: Chiron´s personality has saved him from a lot of his previous hate. Achilles's personality has yet to be fleshed out yet, but the hints of a ChivalrousPervert BloodKnight who doesn't ever follow the rules has also bailed him out in the eyes of his previous hate-dom.

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* RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap: Chiron´s personality has saved him from a lot of his previous hate. Achilles's personality has yet to be fleshed out yet, but the hints of a ChivalrousPervert BloodKnight who doesn't ever follow the rules has also bailed him out in the eyes of his previous hate-dom.



** Frankenstein, who gained a lot of hate for being a cute female, when Frankenstein's monster's hideous appearance was central to its story.
*** Alternatively, she is less of Frankenstein's monster and more of the Bride of Frankenstein, but with the original monster's story. Her wedding dress and Mad Enhancement-induced grunts and screeches give her more similarities to the Bride than the original monster.
** Jack the Ripper and Reika Rikudou. Fans are quite ireful of the fact that they are Higashide's [[CreatorsPet Creator's Pets]] who have little to no relevance to the story for any reason other than mercilessly slaughtering people they deem as "evil".
** Chiron and Achilles seem to receive a lot of flak for replacing two anticipated servants, Saint George and David. The fact that both of their deaths are basically being telegraphed (Achilles can only be harmed by the divine--not only is Chiron the only divine Black Servant, he uses ''arrows''; meanwhile Kairi is preparing the specific poison that killed Chiron in life) doesn't help matters.
* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot: Somehow, the author managed to land a concept of a war which included VladTheImpaler susceptible to being overwritten by the Legend of {{Dracula}}, FrankensteinsMonster, ''and'' Shakespeare, and not once have them chat about the [[ThePowerOfCreation nature of fictional creations]].

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** Frankenstein, who gained a lot of hate for being a cute female, when Frankenstein's monster's hideous appearance was central to its story.
*** Alternatively,
story. Outside of her design, she's also disliked for how useless she was in the story, as she is less of Frankenstein's monster and more one of the Bride of Frankenstein, but with the original monster's story. Her wedding dress first Servants to die and Mad Enhancement-induced grunts and screeches give her more similarities to the Bride than the original monster.
serves no purpose narrative wise.
** Jack the Ripper and Reika Rikudou. Fans are quite ireful of the fact that they are Higashide's [[CreatorsPet Creator's Pets]] who have little to no relevance to the story for any reason other than mercilessly slaughtering people they deem as "evil".
** Chiron
"evil". Jack the Ripper gets more hate for her design though, as many see her as being nothing more then {{Pandering}} to people who like Loli's, and Achilles seem to receive a lot of flak her InUniverse justification for replacing two anticipated servants, Saint George and David. her appearance, [[spoiler:that she's the embodiment of all the killed children on the streets]], was seen as a weak justification by many.
* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot:
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The fact that both premise of their deaths are the story is basically being telegraphed (Achilles can only be harmed by "What if the divine--not only is Chiron Grail War was teams?", and the only divine Black Servant, he uses ''arrows''; meanwhile Kairi is preparing start of the specific poison story focuses on that killed Chiron in life) doesn't help matters.
* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot:
aspect of it. Yet despite the set up and premise of a team deathmatch story for the Grail, the story shifts to Sieg and focuses on him, leaving almost all the other Masters as throw away characters.
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Somehow, the author managed to land a concept of a war which included VladTheImpaler susceptible to being overwritten by the Legend of {{Dracula}}, FrankensteinsMonster, ''and'' Shakespeare, and not once have them chat about the [[ThePowerOfCreation nature of fictional creations]].
23rd May '17 10:34:54 AM allfictions
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* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot: Somehow, the author managed to land a concept of a war which included VladTheImpaler susceptible to being overwritten by the [[Dracula Legend of Dracula]], FrankensteinsMonster, ''and'' Shakespeare, and not once have them chat about the [[ThePowerOfCreation nature of fictional créations]].

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* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot: Somehow, the author managed to land a concept of a war which included VladTheImpaler susceptible to being overwritten by the [[Dracula Legend of Dracula]], {{Dracula}}, FrankensteinsMonster, ''and'' Shakespeare, and not once have them chat about the [[ThePowerOfCreation nature of fictional créations]].creations]].
23rd May '17 10:33:26 AM allfictions
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* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot: Somehow, the author managed to land a concept of a war which included VladTheImpaler susceptible to being overwritten by the [[Dracula Legend of Dracula]], FrankensteinsMonster, ''and'' Shakespeare, and not once have them chat about the [[ThePowerOfCreation nature of fictional créations]].
** Likewise, Joan of Arc and Shakespeare never meet or comment on each other, despite [[HenryVIPart1 one of the latter's plays]] being famous for depicting Joan as a [[HistoricalVillainUpgrade scheming villainess]] and starting the trend of anti-Joan English propaganda.
15th Apr '17 11:11:36 PM Scabbard
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** Who can Karna defeat? [[labelnote:Explanation]] Due to Karna´s ridiculous StoryBreakerPower and badassery, People are comparing him to various other Servants, particularly [[VisualNovel/FateStayNight Gilgamesh]], and argue whether not he can beat them somehow (Usually it´s a yes).[[/labelnote]]

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** Who can Karna defeat? [[labelnote:Explanation]] Due to Karna´s ridiculous StoryBreakerPower and badassery, People people are comparing him to various other Servants, particularly [[VisualNovel/FateStayNight Gilgamesh]], and argue whether not he can beat them somehow (Usually (usually it´s a yes).[[/labelnote]]
18th Nov '16 5:17:06 PM MrJIR93
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** Semiramis: Besides the [[EvilIsSexy obvious]] Semiramis gained a lot of popularity because Assassins were considered something of {{MemeticLoser}}s, with the exception of ''Videogame/FateEXTRA'', she was also a very unconventional Servant and quite the MagnificentBastard within the story, many fans also liked her romance with Shirou, giving her further depth.

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** Semiramis: Besides the [[EvilIsSexy obvious]] Semiramis gained a lot of popularity because Assassins were considered something of {{MemeticLoser}}s, {{Memetic Loser}}s, with the exception of ''Videogame/FateEXTRA'', she was also a very unconventional Servant and quite the MagnificentBastard within the story, many fans also liked her romance with Shirou, giving her further depth.
18th Nov '16 5:15:18 PM MrJIR93
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** Semiramis: Besides the [[EvilIsSexy obvious]] Semiramis gained a lot of popularity because Assassins were considered something of MemeticLosers, with the exception of ''Videogame/FateEXTRA'', she was also a very unconventional Servant and quite the MagnificentBastard within the story, many fans also liked her romance with Shirou, giving her further depth.

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** Semiramis: Besides the [[EvilIsSexy obvious]] Semiramis gained a lot of popularity because Assassins were considered something of MemeticLosers, {{MemeticLoser}}s, with the exception of ''Videogame/FateEXTRA'', she was also a very unconventional Servant and quite the MagnificentBastard within the story, many fans also liked her romance with Shirou, giving her further depth.
18th Nov '16 5:14:31 PM MrJIR93
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** Semiramis: Besides the [[EvilIsSexy obvious]] Semiramis gained a lot of popularity because Assassins were considered something of MemeticLosers, with the exception of ''Videogame/FateEXTRA'', she was also a very unconventional Servant and quite the MagnificentBastard within the story, many fans also liked her romance with Shirou, giving her further depth.
14th Nov '16 7:17:23 AM dlchen145
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** Who can Karna defeat? [[labelnote:Explanation]] Due to Karna´s ridiculous StoryBreakerPower and {{Badass}}ery, People are comparing him to various other Servants, particularly [[VisualNovel/FateStayNight Gilgamesh]], and argue whether not he can beat them somehow (Usually it´s a yes).[[/labelnote]]

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** Who can Karna defeat? [[labelnote:Explanation]] Due to Karna´s ridiculous StoryBreakerPower and {{Badass}}ery, badassery, People are comparing him to various other Servants, particularly [[VisualNovel/FateStayNight Gilgamesh]], and argue whether not he can beat them somehow (Usually it´s a yes).[[/labelnote]]
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