- Specifically, it will be a long-handled dual-bladed lightsaber; resembling something like this: [1]◊
- Jossed.
- A distinct possibility, since when she touches Anakin's lightsaber, she experiences a series of flashbacks, including one showing the Knights of Ren standing over a field of slain bodies, presumably Luke's Jedi trainees. In addition, when he tries to read Rey's mind, he sees a vision of place that sounds exactly like the first Jedi temple Luke is hiding out in, implying Rey had already been there.
- Another bit to lend credence to this theory: look at Luke's reaction to seeing her. At first it looks like shock at being found—unlikely, as he intentionally left behind pieces of a map that leads back to him. The next logical observation would be that he is shocked at seeing his father's old lightsaber again, after having lost it decades ago. Except he barely registers the lightsaber Rey is offering him. He's looking at her, shocked that she's standing right there in the same space as him. Almost as though he wasn't expecting Rey to suddenly pop up on the island, again, after she was left on Jakku years ago. As if she really shouldn't be there...
- She's able to reverse Ren's attempt to read her mind, which seems to open up her other abilities and with only a little effort seems able to access them.
- Jossed.
- I submit that if he is, it'll take some kind of huge moment of anger/emotion to activate it. More so than him defending Rey from Kylo Ren. And his first contact with the Force will be the Dark Side, severely shaking him and creating a rift between the two of them.
- It's entirely possible that Finn felt his friend's death through the Force, and this is what allowed him to break his conditioning.
- There's actually good evidence for Finn's latent Force sensitivity if they decide to go that route in future films. First: There's his freakout in the village at the death of his friend and the carnage around him despite his previous spotless record. Second: After his stolen TIE Fighter crashes he walks across the desert seemingly at random only to end up in the exact same town Rey and BB are in. Later on Starkiller Base he leads the rescue team to the corridor right across from an escaping Rey, despite not knowing she escaped. Third: with no training whatsoever he's still pretty good with a lightsaber and even manages to score a hit on the much better trained (though admittedly wounded) Kylo Ren. Maz Kanata herself even encourages him to use it.
- Finn's remark at Poe's piloting skills could have also been him sensing the presence of his friend.
- Further, when the Starkiller Weapon is fired and everyone is staring at it in horror, when we cut to Finn's POV, we hear screaming that isn't heard elsewhere. A billion voices crying out in terror, perhaps?
- And then there's the scene where Kylo Ren briefly pauses to stare at Finn after the village raid. Maybe it's because he felt Finn's confusion and fear, or maybe it's because he thought he felt a bit of Force potential within him.
- Which would also explain why Kylo's greatest emotional reaction in the entire film is to Finn's desertion (even moreso than seeing Han again), practically screaming "TRAITOR!!!" every time they meet. A common stormtrooper deserting wouldn't warrant such a reaction, but Finn could have already been selected to be a new apprentice prior to leaving.
- This Troper actually believed Finn was Force sensitive at the start of the movie, for this reason, among those listed above: our first glimpse at Snoke is a discussion regarding what happened on Jakku regarding the village and the map. When Hux leaves the room, Snoke addresses Ren regarding, "an awakening in the Force." They couldn't have been talking about Rey, because she hadn't even been introduced yet and doesn't awaken until much later. But the staging of the scene leading up to that discussion frames Finn as the one who just awakened: Kylo looks straight at Finn when he refused to execute the order to massacre the survivors. Which leads to the obsession as stated above.
- This will fuel their development: Rey, like Anakin is a "natural" in the Force whose easy power and emotional issues leaves her open to the Dark Side, Finn has to work hard at it and develops greater focus which helps anchor him in the Light.
- Confirmed according to The Rise of Skywalker.
- I don't buy this one. You don't have to be force-sensitive to be good at something in the Star Wars universe; Han Solo was one hell of a pilot too, and General Grievous was deadlier in combat than many Jedi and Sith. Also, while the force certainly helped Luke and Anakin's piloting skills, they also had years of experience before we saw their skills in the films.
- Anakin's piloting skills, even as a 9 year old, were explicitly due to his Force-sensitivity ("He can see things before they happen. That's why he appears to have such quick reflexes. It's a Jedi trait"). The same is implied with Luke. During the battle on Takodana, Poe seems to have an incredible awareness of everything going on around him, allowing him to swoop around blasting one TIE fighter after another, all while dodging fire himself and firing the occasional shot at the Stormtroopers on the ground! While it is certainly possible that he is just a really Badass Normal, his onscreen fighter piloting skills are well beyond those of any other pilot in the Resistance, and arguably even better than people like Luke, Han and Wedge.
- In the comics, it's shown that Poe's parents fought alongside Luke, Han, and Leia. In particular, Poe's mother helped Luke retrieve a pair of trees imbued with the Force and had grown at the original Jedi Temple on Coruscant. Luke takes one tree for himself and gifts the other to Poe's mother, who plants it outside her home. Perhaps this tree is the source of or helped awaken Poe's Force powers?
- It's never stated either way.
But that wouldn't explain why Rey's alone on Jakku. After all, Luke's not the sort to abandon his kid, and if he was going to give her up, he has a few thousand options better than "abandoned alone on a desert wasteland", such as asking his sister to look after her niece.
During Rey's vision, we see her abandonment on Jakku. The departing ship looks an awful lot like a transport. Its entirely possible that she was left there so that she didn't become like Finn: Torn away from her family and mentally conditioned into an expendable soldier.
As for why Captain Phasma? Because... she's named. Also, she's in charge of the troopers, so presumably she's more veteran, and the actress has a certain resemblance towards Rey. Cynical, but it wouldn't be the first time an obvious twist (Ren's parentage) was used to hide a better twist (Rey with the Lightsaber).
Notably, this would parallel the Legacy comics, which had a protagonist that was the son of an Imperial agent and a Jedi Master from the Skywalker family.
Eh. Doubtful, since Captain Phasma being female was actually them last-minute gender flipping a character they were going to cast with a man at first. [2]
- Jossed. She's Palpatine's granddaughter.
- There is a very good possibility of Anakin appearing as a Force ghost, if the rumors of Hayden Christensen being flown in for filming when Episode VIII starts prove true.
- He only makes a vocal cameo in The Rise of Skywalker.
- Perhaps she and Finn will have an Inspector Javert/Jean Valjean-style dynamic, e.g. Phasma still calling Finn "FN-2187", and not allowing him to forget his past as a First Order .
- It would also echo the price on Han Solo's head from the OT.
- Jossed. She dies in The Last Jedi.
- Ford's casting may be him appearing in flashback or dream sequences, though.
- Except Han was killed off in the exact same was as the Emperor (thrown into the heart of a massive superweapon which explodes shortly after), and Word of God confirms the Emperor was Killed Off for Real.
- Actually, he's even worse off than the Emperor. Remember that he was also stabbed directly through the chest with a lightsaber before falling, which is instantly fatal as far as the movies are concerned. And he's not a Force user, so he probably can't pull an Obi-Wan and become a Force Ghost, either.
- But let's not forget that this is Disney.
- Well, remember Mufasa?
- Also, any wound caused by a lightsaber would be instantly cauterized. Assuming Han wasn't stabbed in any vital organs and could survive the fall and escape, he could still be alive?
- All Jossed.
- She can only hope that the First Order didn't manage to download computer logs before fleeing Starkiller Base. Because if they check they'll find that she was the one that lowered the deflector shield, which allowed the Resistance fighters to attack!
- Jossed.
- Dunno. If that's the case, why didn't Kylo Ren recognize Rey?
- It's been fifteen years? In the novelization he has a the line "It is you."
- Why would he choose to do so if she was a young child with powerful force abilities that could be molded to join the Dark Side?
- A lifetime of deprivation and cruelty could mold her just as easily to the Dark Side, with fewer expenses on his part. Hell, he could be deliberately trying to re-create Anakin Skywalker's path to darkness - and he was planning to play both Qui-Gon Jinn and Obi-Wan, swooping in at an opportune time to lift her out of that life. Now he has a Force-sensitive, fanatically grateful apprentice, turned cynical and bitter by ten years or more of slavery - or would have, if it weren't for that meddlin' droid.
- Considering how keyed that map seemed to be for her, R2-D2 turning on when she showed up, the guy with the piece happened to be on the same planet as her it's unlikely it was Kylo Ren.
- The writers have stated that it was actually BB-8 who woke up R2-D2; Artoo just needed some time to reboot. Plus, it's doubtful that, if Lor San Tekka was trying to reconnect Kylo Ren with his family, he wouldn't have done the same for Rey had he known that they were on the same planet. So it's unlikely that the map was keyed for her.
- A more modest spin on this theory is that perhaps Kylo Ren didn't deliver her to Jakku personally, but still spared her as a child when his knights were butchering the new Jedi Order. A lot of the movie was dedicated to showing how he's trying to be Vader but can't exactly live up; compare/contrast Anakin being willing to murder children versus Kylo potentially... not.
- This would also fit with Ren's challenge being to kill Han Solo. Assuming you subscribe to the theory that Rey was born Skywalker, then she could have easily been training with Ren, and he found himself unable to kill her when he turned. Instead, he abandoned her on Jakku, hoping she'd never be found.
- Probably Jossed. The writers have stated Rey was already on Jakku when Kylo lead the Knights to attack the temple, and that the "it IS you" line refers to her being the "awakening" he'd sensed in the Force.
- Fully Jossed by The Rise of Skywalker.
- Dunno. If that's the case, why didn't Kylo Ren recognize Rey?
- Jossed. She was left on Jakku to keep her safe from Palpatine's forces.
- That much is somewhat confirmed. Word of God puts Snoke at seven feet tall, about the same height as Chewbacca; so while he's already The Big Guy, clearly Snoke wasn't making enough of an impression to intimidate Hux and Kylo Ren by himself without a massive hologram.
- At this point though, it is still quite possible that the claims of Snoke being seven feet tall is a lie to obscure the twist.
- This is actually standard for Sith Lords at least. Remember The Empire Stikes Back? Other than Palpatine enjoying being intimidating, was it otherwise really necessary for them to build a huge holographic pit in Vader's chambers aboard the Executor just so that Palpatine could appear twenty feet tall when he calls him? Vader had known him since he was a kid! It's not as if he wasn't perfectly aware of how tall Palpatine was in-person!
- Confirmed.
- Jossed. He was created by Palpatine.
- Jossed cause the Endor Holocaust is imperial propaganda according to the Word of God and canon material.
- Jossed. He was created by Palpatine.
- Jossed. He was created by Palpatine.
- Jossed.
There is one named Rhandite in the old EU: Lord Cronal, also known as Blackhole. Snoke could be him or another, unrelated Rhandite. This way or another, Snoke is directly responsible for reshaping the Legends galaxy into the Canon galaxy.
- Jossed. He was created by Palpatine.
- A saber-pike might work better with her fighting style since it allows for more hand movement. Also we've yet to see one of those in live-action .
- Jossed. It's only in an illusion.
- The first "force trick" we see her use is the Jedi Mind Trick, the first one we see Obi-Wan use.
- Perhaps she's a culmination of both the Kenobi and Skywalker bloodlines - her mother a Kenobi and her father Luke Skywalker, which would also justify her suspicious amount of parallels with the Skywalkers.
- This theory also makes a lot of sense when you consider the similarities between the Rey and Ren's fight on the Starkiller and Obi Wan and Anakin's fight on Mustafar
- Before the fight begins, Ren and Anakin both kill/fatally wound the one person who still believes there is good inside of them and is keeping them from fully turning to the Dark Side.
- The fight occurs after the death of someone that Obi Wan and Rey both cared for, Han Solo for Rey and Anakin for Obi Wan
- The fight ends when Ren and Anakin are badly injured after overestimating their own power/underestimating their opponent's power.
- At the end of both fights, Ren and Anakin would have died from the environment around them (Mustafar's lava and Starkiller exploding) if not for their master, the Big Bad, intervening and saving them.
- After the fight, Ren and Anakin fully embrace evil and begin training to fully master the power of the Dark Side, while Obi Wan and Rey both leave for the sake of Luke (Obi Wan bringing him to Tatooine and Rey leaving to go find him).
- Furthermore, the two are somewhat shadows of each other as well; Ren is Ben Solo, seemingly named after Ben Kenobi, and admires Anakin/Darth Vader, while Rey lives on a desert world like Anakin and inherits his light saber, while also being a major fangirl over Han Solo, who died in a way much similar to how Obi Wan did in the first movie.
- The setting itself is also an inversion of Obi-Wan and Anakin's duel. Mustafar was a lava planet, Starkiller Base was an ice planet.
- She could be descended from Obi-Wan and Satine.
- Jossed. She's Palpatine's granddaughter,
- Jossed.
- Jossed. He turned to the Dark Side after believing that Luke was trying to kill him.
- Jossed. He's the main antagonist.
- Jossed.
- Jossed. The planet is Ahch-To.
- However, given that she is the spitting image of the young Padme Amidala, the more prosaic theory that she is the grandaughter of Anakin and Padme via Luke seems far more plausible. Not a spoiler if you've seen the poster, of course.
- That would be really contrived, for a number of reasons:
- 1: Kylo is at most 10 years older than Rey, likely less. We know that Luke went into exile after Ben turned. Ben had to be at least 15 when he turned for him to be capable of "ruining everything" for Luke. We don't know exactly when Rey was left on Jakku, but if we assume that she was left there after Ben's turn: why didn't Luke take his own daughter with him if he was going to vanish from everyone anyway, instead of leaving her stranded somewhere? And if she was left there before Ben's turn, that would mean Luke had abandoned his daughter for no reason whatsoever.
- Maz Kanata tells Rey, that she can see it in her eyes, that Rey knows that whoever she's been waiting for on Jakku, was not going to go back. However she also adds that someone else is waiting for her in her future, to which Rey responds with "Luke!". Now if she was waiting for Luke on Jakku despite knowing that he was not coming back, why would she immediately think that he's the one waiting for her? I'm sure it can be explained, but it kind of makes this part of the scene pointless.
- Who says that Luke has to have been the one to have left Rey on Jakku and that Rey has to have been waiting for him if he was her father? She could have been separated from him or stolen from him and then dumped on Jakku without his knowledge.
- That would be really contrived, for a number of reasons:
- The prequels showed that Anakin used several different light sabers and was even a bit careless with them. It's only because Obi-Wan told Luke that it was his father's that made it special. In other words, it's really only special to Luke and not Anakin.
- Anakin had exactly two lightsabers, the one from Attack of the Clones appears in Obi-Wan & Anakin. And sure, the second one was special to him: it's the weapon he used throughout the Clone Wars, which he used to decimate the Jedi.
- The concept art book states that Anakin's Force ghost was originally supposed to have appeared in the movie. How could Rey be his reincarnation if his Force ghost is still hanging around while she is alive? Plus, it's highly unlikely for someone to have gotten a good enough DNA sample of Anakin to create a viable clone of him.
- Key word: supposed to have. It has been cut for one reason or another, and a rewrite is as likely to be the explanation as anythingelse. I don't really think Rey is a clone either, I'm leaning more to the reincarnation, but I can't rule cloning entirely out either. As for the viability of the sample: if she's really a clone, likely the lack of viable DNA samples is the reason why Rey turned out to be female.
- Jossed. She's Palpatine's granddaughter.
- Jossed.
- More to the point Snoke's relationship to Kylo Ren mirrors Revan's own corruption to the darkside by an ancient Sith trapped in the unknown regions.
- Alternately, Snoke will prove to be an Expy of Darth Traya, Revan's master who taught him about the ancient Sith and played a role in his initial fall to the Dark Side.
- To add, in the official visual dictionary for the movie, on Kylo Ren's page with cross section of his lightsaber, there is a mention of a 'Great Scourge of Malachor' or something that took place 'Thousands of years ago', which would possibly fit it in with the Old Republic timeline if it were still canon. A possible reference to Malachor V, just with a changed name, maybe?
- Jossed.
- Jossed. Palpatine is on Exegol.
- Jossed: It is explicitly stated that Snoke witnessed the rise and fall of the Empire, thus he would predate Luke.
- That part is Jossed as well. He was created by Palpatine.
- Perhaps this is part of why Luke has fled — he took Rey with him to raise among other Force-sensitive children, then lost her somehow during the cataclysmic aftermath of Kylo Ren's turn for the worse. He's guilt-racked for his part in the loss of two of his sister's children.
- Jossed. She's Palpatine's granddaughter.
- Read between the lines. Disney can't just come out and say it. If Palpatine created (a son) Anakin with the Force. Luke and Leia are his grandchildren. Luke and Leia hookup to create Rey, his great grandchild. This gets abbrievated to grandchild. And those people Rey remembers are false memories.
- Hux will regret having provoked them. The next film will start off with an ad-hoc NR fleet fucking up a First Order installation.
- An it will be revealed that it was Snoke's intent all along: just like Palpatine manipulated to separatist systems to lure the Old Republic into dismantling itself, Snoke is in fact manipulating the first order to bring forth his real master plan: to bring the New Republic to the Dark Side by provoking its public opinion into favoring Revanchist policies.
- Jossed. The Republic was effectively wiped out.
- To support this. Listen to Han Solo explaining the betrayal to Rey and Finn. He stated that "one young man" had "betrayed" the new Jedi and "destroyed it all". He doesn't explicitly mention a massacre. Han Solo was basically the "Obi-Wan Kenobi" of the new Trilogy....the old exciled sage who imparts some wisdom to the protagonists before getting killed by the big black-clad villain in side the enemy base/superweapon. Remember Force-Ghost Obi-Wan's From a Certain Point of View explanation?
- Jossed according to the EU.
- It could be that Ren deliberately decided not to learn flying and disliked it because of tensions between him and his father. It happens sometimes that a child doesn't like something because it has bad associations with it.
- It could also be because Han is a bad teacher despite being an excellent pilot. This Troper has seen it before - a math prodigy was actually awful at explaining Maths precisely because he was brilliant, while his classmates weren't. Perhaps Kylo wasn't a prodigy, but had the potential to be a good pilot, it's just that Han expected him to catch it all instantly like he had, which precluded Kylo from learning.
- Tangentially related WMG: Kylo Ren is a virgin who can't drive.
- Jossed. The Last Jedi shows he's a gifted pilot.
The Star Killer was their BFG they where going to use to keep the Republic in check. Their first shot was a pacifying shot to scare them into compliance. The Star Killer existence was to be a bogey man that would give the First Order control of the Republic with fear. But now that it's gone they are going to up against a united Republic out for blood and without the Star killer to hold them in check.
- Jossed. It's the First Order whose doing the sieging.
- Jossed. He's never even mentioned.
- Jossed. He didn't know about Han's death until Rey told him.
- Actually, it was originally going to be Wedge Antilles, but the actor turned down the role.
- Jossed. She's still with the First Order.
- This seems to be in line with comments comparing the First Order to fleeing Nazis managing to reorganize in exile — presumably Hux and his generation are the first generation born during or shortly after the fall of the Empire and have been fully indoctrinated into the new self-serving image of their side as martyrs to Rebel treachery. No wonder there seems to be some tension between Hux and Kylo Ren — Ren originates in everything Hux and his ilk are opposed to, he must seem like a real Johnny-come-lately.
- Jossed. Several older officers appear.
And the breathing sounds will be the lighter sounds Vader made after killing Palpatine.
- Jossed.
- The problem here is that the Rakata never formed a Sith Empire. The Rakata and the Red Sith are completely distinct species.
- Jossed. He was created by Palpatine.
- If you subscribe to the theory that she's Luke's daughter and she was left on Jakku to protect her from the First Order, she might have changed her name to help her hide.
- She, like Ben, might also be a Dead Guy Junior. Possibilities for her real name include Padme, Beru, and Breha.
- I'm fond of Breha, Rey could easily be a diminutive of it.
- Jossed. Her mother refers to her by that name.
The actual Empire, meanwhile, is under the command of Gilad Pellaeon, who's just trying to keep the lights on. He does not approve of the First Order, and was absolutely disgusted by the mere concept of Starkiller Base, so the Imperial Remnant began secretly aiding the Resistance and entered into a de facto military alliance with the New Republic. After Hosnian Prime's destruction, Pellaeon will order the construction of the Eclipse and several new Executor-class Star Dreadnoughts to go into overdrive against the First Order. The Imperial Remnant will then become allies of the Resistance in Episode VIII, bringing with them the Star Destroyers, AT-ATs, and old stormtrooper armor we've come to be familiar with.
Getting back to Plagueis, in the old EU, he was a Muun, which Snoke clearly is. Guys, connect the dots, and you'll see that I'm right.
- Snoke appearance is less alien the Plagueis also he has a nose unlike Plagueis, pupils unlike Plagueis and much smaller head then Plagueis. Bearing the fact they do not resemble each other at all. The fact remains due to Sith law they are only two, the one who has power and the one who craves it. Sidious could not ascend until his master died, and Plagueis died so Sidious could ascend and get a new pupil. If Plagueis knew of Sidious plan to kill him , then his duty as a Sith Lord was to kill his apprentice for being sloppy and get a better one. It is not they are two unless one decides to go on Coma!vacation and let his student think he's ascended and get himself a student but not really ascend so now they are three. That would violate Sith law, and that was the only thing protecting the Sith from themselves and the Jedi.
- In the Plagueis novel, it was revealed that Plagueis's master already was violating the Rule of Two by having a second apprentice named Darth Venamis. In addition, Plagueis himself violated it along with Sidious when he allowed Darth Sidious to take Darth Maul as his own apprentice.
- I'm with the above troper; the Rule of Two isn't an immutable law of the force, it's a self policing tradition that many Sith have violated throughout the years.
- In Darth Plagueis it's made explicit that Plagueis actually intended to subvert the Rule of Two by making it even more exclusive: the Rule of the same Two forever. His reaction to Palpatine declaring Maul to be an apprentice was suspicion of betrayal, because it showed that Palpatine was trending toward the traditional Klingon Promotion style of Sith than the new version Plagueis wanted to install. Also, Snoke is clearly not a Muun. Muuns have very narrow faces with rectangular construction and long noses. Snoke looks more like a deformed human than anything.
- Snoke appearance is less alien the Plagueis also he has a nose unlike Plagueis, pupils unlike Plagueis and much smaller head then Plagueis. Bearing the fact they do not resemble each other at all. The fact remains due to Sith law they are only two, the one who has power and the one who craves it. Sidious could not ascend until his master died, and Plagueis died so Sidious could ascend and get a new pupil. If Plagueis knew of Sidious plan to kill him , then his duty as a Sith Lord was to kill his apprentice for being sloppy and get a better one. It is not they are two unless one decides to go on Coma!vacation and let his student think he's ascended and get himself a student but not really ascend so now they are three. That would violate Sith law, and that was the only thing protecting the Sith from themselves and the Jedi.
It should be noted, however, that the aforementioned Plagueis novel, and the details established therein, is no longer canon. As such, the only remaining canon facts about Dath Plagueis are that; he's male, was Palpatine's master, was obsessed with immortality, and was presumed dead after being assassinated. Snoke's facial scars must have come from something. A name-change would also make sense because the galaxy knew about the Sith and their tyranny, which is why Sidious operated under his Palpatine identity, for legitimacy. It's very possible that Plagueis manipulated his way to the top of his former apprentice's regime so as to do things the right way. The canon Tarkin novel also includes a throwaway comment from Palpatine about how his former master would've hated the day-to-day politics of running an empire.
- Snoke's leitmotif sounds very similar to "Palpatine's Teachings" from the Revenge of the Sith, which played when Palpatine talked to Anakin about Plagueis.
- Kylo Ren tells Han Solo: "The Supreme Leader is wise." What was that name Palpatine used to refer to a certain Sith Lord again? Oh yeah: Darth Plageuis the Wise!
- Jossed. He was created by Palpatine.
...during his confrontation with Han Solo. They're shown both holding on to Ren's lightsaber, as if fighting for control of it, much like struggling with a loaded gun and having it go off.
The simplest possibility was mere accident prompted it to activate the way it did. However, another possibility is that Han was attempting some kind of gambit on Ren and deliberately sacrificed his life in the process. By allowing Kylo Ren to kill him, after Han promised he would do anything to help him, it may create a bond of trust that balking at his request might have destroyed, in addition to leaving Kylo a chance at redemption by taking it out of his hands since Kylo killing Han willingly would have ensured his complete and total allegiance to the Dark Side.
Dovetailing with this is Han's well-known reputation as a smuggler and a gambler - two professions that require the ability to accurately read people. He goes into the confrontation in all earnestness, but as soon as Kylo Ren shows his face and seemingly goes along with him, Han knows he's lying. His gambit failed, he is left with no choice but the aforementioned Heroic Sacrifice
In future episodes, we may see Ren having visions or hallucinations, since a Force Ghost is highly unlikely, of his father, Han. It may even act as a Good Angel, Bad Angel scenario, since the actor is confirmed to return in Episode VIII.
And if they want to reference the Knights of the Old Republic games, they could make this a great moment for Han. In the original Knights of the Old Republic, Malak attempts to have Bastila kill someone she loves, in this case a redeemed Revan, to extinguish the light within her. If Luke happened to tell Han the old Jedi legend of the Prodigal Knight, he would have known about that and possibly sacrificed himself to prevent his son from being able to go through with performing the same kind of atrocity, thus leaving a spark within Ben for Luke and Rey to try to ignite.
- Jossed. He specifically says he killed Han.
Deliberately worded to go with the Anakin theory above. However, Qui-Gon Jinn may be a better candidate as it's established that he is able to work with the subtlety the theory requires. He never appears as a Force Ghost but was established in Revenge of the Sith as able to communicate with the world of the living. It would create an interesting Full Circle if the first Jedi Knight to appear chronologically is also the one who most helps bring about the end of the series.
- He only makes a vocal cameo in The Rise of Skywalker.
As we learn about midway through the movie, R2-D2 has sat inert ever since Luke disappeared. But the moment all the action is over, he reactivates and leads Rey and Chewie right to where Luke is. The most logical trigger would be Luke's old lightsaber being detected on the Resistance base. Possibly something was put inside that that, once detected by R2-D2 would cause him to spur to action.
- Finn had the light saber at the rebel base before the trip to Starkiller Base. R2 didn't activate then. More likely is the presence of Rey is what activated R2.
Add to the theory that Snoke is Plagueis, she will confront him and he will tell her that he is her father.
- Jossed. She's Palpatine's granddaughter.
- Finn and Poe, anyone ?
- Confirmed with Commander D'Acy.
Additionally, being a Jedi Master now and very strong in the force, he may have realised she was his daughter as soon as he set eyes on her at the end of The Force Awakens, which would (at least in part) explain his facial expression when he turns around.
- Jossed. She's Palpatine's granddaughter.
And why such a hostile place? Probably the same reason Luke was left on Tatooine: because it is the last place one would look for the child of a powerful force-user, not to mention being super remote and almost deserted.
- Headcanoned! This tropette also thought of the above. TFA was full of parallels to A New Hope, so this theory isn't too much of a stretch.
- Luke was left with parental figures to raise him and despite the harsh environment actually grew up fairly comfortably. He had home cooked meals, a land speeder, a sky hopper, and plenty of blue milk. Why leave his daughter to scavenge every day for a half portion of muffin?
- Jossed. She's Palpatine's granddaughter.
- Kylo is obsessed with finishing what Darth Vader started, but Vader was redeemed in the end, and considering who taught Kylo, it's incredibly likely that he was told the story of Anakin's ultimate rebellion against the Dark Side. It would be odd for him to cling so strongly to Vader's morals if he knew that Vader threw them off moments before his death.
- Kylo is visibly in conflict between the Light Side and the Dark Side, and when he discusses it, he leans heavily towards the Dark Side. Assuming that Snoke is a Sith or on par with the Sith, it would stand to reason that he would need to use the Dark Side to maintain his image in the presence of force users greater than him.
- Despite his fervent and aggressive lightsaber combat, Kylo's ability with the Force could exceed anything we've seen demonstrated in the past. His psychic torture methods and catching a blaster shot in mid-air with the Force, as well as keeping it suspended without even looking at it exhibit his speed and agility, something his swordmanship lacks. In the duel with Finn and Rey, the possibility stands that he was holding back. After seeing how fast he is, it seems odd that his aggressive combat methods would be so slow. Why would he not fight to his full potential? Perhaps because he knows he's not meant to win the battle he's engaged in, though he does intend to survive it. And considering his remarkable ability to sense his father's presence the second Han arrives on the same planet, it wouldn't be a terrible stretch for Kylo to have guided the fight to somewhere where the shattering terrain would naturally save him from Rey.
- Killing his own father is one hell of a way for Kylo to prove his allegiance to the Dark Side. In the moments leading up to Han's death, Kylo asks Han to help him, and Han says that he'd do anything. Han sacrificing himself to establish the evil of Kylo in the eyes of both the First Order and the Resistance affirms Kylo's commitment to Snoke, letting Kylo get closer to the most sinister individual presently existing in the galaxy.
- To make the Snape and Dumbledore parallel clearer, maybe Han Solo knows he is already terminally ill.
- Luke going into hiding the way he did is extremely odd. The student that betrayed Luke (assumed to be Kylo) would have to be exceptionally talented, but why Luke and Kylo are both alive after a duel of that caliber makes one wonder. For Luke to simply vanish afterwards, rather than going after his rogue apprentice, implies that he has other reasons for not going after Kylo. Perhaps the most obvious being the idea that Luke guided Kylo to betray him. We know Luke has grappled with the Dark Side in the past, and perhaps it's a bit meta to discuss Mark Hamill's tendency to play villains nowadays, but it would certainly catch a number of viewers by surprise to have Luke Skywalker explain why he turned his own nephew into a mentally-shattered weapon of mass destruction.
- Jossed. He tries to kill Luke.
- With most of the Senate dead, Leia would be a prime choice for a wartime leader to help rally the weakened Republic and begin regrouping for a counteroffensive. At the same time, she will also be pressured by some Senators to institute the same militarization and emergency powers that Palpatine implemented during the Clone Wars in order to better confront the First Order, leaving others to question if Leia is embarking down a similar path.
- The first part might just turn out to be true by the movie's ending. In her last scene, Leia is dressing in a formal, royalty-like attire in contrast of the military uniform she has been wearing for most of the movie, suggesting that she may indeed has to play a role in the Repullic politics. As for the last part, we'll just have to wait and see...
- Jossed. The New Republic is no more.
- Somewhat confirmed. He cut himself off from the Force.
- As an alternative, it could be that Anakin himself is spiritually bound to the weapon.
- In Maz's castle, in addition to the telepathic summons that Rey received to go to where the lightsaber was stored, something opened the door to the room where it was kept without anyone touching the control panel.
- Jossed.
Given how homosexual couples are becoming common in movies and television, this theory isn't far off.
- An interesting Ho Yay point to note is that at the end of the film, when they all return to the Resistance base, if you watch carefully Poe runs off to follow the medics as they haul the badly-wounded Finn away. Rey watches sadly, but stays near the Falcon and ultimately ends up sharing grief with Leia over Han. Both Poe and Rey hug Finn in the movie. But Poe hugs Finn out of sheer joy at seeing him alive at Maz's castle. Rey hugs Finn out of gratitude that he came looking for her (unlike her absent parents). While the default assumption is that Finn and Rey are the Official Couple because they are a man and a woman, Rey's behavior makes them seem like Just Friends. She even departs, giving the comatose Finn a kiss on the forehead, to go seek out Luke Skywalker. This draws some parallels to the original trilogy, where Luke obviously cared deeply for Leia, but went off to pursue his Jedi training. It was Han that was more concerned about Leia's well-being in The Empire Strikes Back, and vice versa in Return of the Jedi.
- The movies have been fairly progressive so far, given the two leads are a) female and b) black (with Latino Poe rounding out the trio) as opposed to the classic 'white male hero' trope. Having the main romance be between two men and establishing a female lead without a Love Interest would be a continuation of that.
- Outside of the de-canonized Legends expanded universe, Luke appears to have been a Celibate Hero. The prequels established that the Jedi were not supposed to marry (to the dismay of EU authors and fanfic writers alike). If Luke has had any lovers in the intervening decades, they are either no longer with him or are dead apparently. It would be an interesting aversion of the Single Woman Seeks Good Man trope if Rey were to not end up with a Love Interest, instead choosing to pursue the path of being a Jedi. That would up-end the old-fashioned notion that no woman is complete without a man, while at the same time pairing Finn and Poe would subvert the idea that heroic men must be straight.
- When they are reunited, they run into one another's arms, and then a moment later Poe complements Finn on how well the jacket suits him. The only reason they don't already look like a couple is that we don't automatically expect a two-man relationship.
- Not confirmed by the director, but Oscar Isaacs and John Boyega are both playing Finn and Poe as a romance, so it's Subtext only because nobody's actually come out and said "yep, they're in love" yet.
- No romantic relationships are explicitly confirmed between the three characters.
- Jossed. He lives.
Rey is training with Luke while Finn and Poe have to escape the rebel base when they are attacked. The two get trapped by the New Order and are chained in an arena. Rey gets a vision of them and leaves her training early to go help while Luke just goes "oh my god."
Or says "Learn from my mistakes. I'm coming with you."
- Jossed.
- Partially confirmed. Palpatine is the Big Bad.
Nevermind the multitude of planning failures, like not requiring two-party or multiple component authorization to drop the shield, or the virtual absence of internal security on base, or every other screw-up that let the heroes win. Accepting those would require the top-level planners to take the blame, and they don't want that. Instead, it's Phasma for giving up the codes to the shield generator at blaster-point, JB-007 for falling victim to Rey's Jedi Mind Trick and giving her a chance to escape, and TR-8R for (in spite of a valiant effort) throwing down his blaster so he could beat the crap out of Finn with a riot club, resulting in Finn's survival/escape who are going to get thrown under the bus. While JB-007 and TR-8R might still be alive to deal with the consequences, the former evacuating from Starkiller before detonation, the latter turning out to be Only Mostly Dead, Phasma is probably going to eat the brunt of it, what with being a named character with an officer's rank and an actress already signed up for the rest of the sequel trilogy.
- Jossed. According to a deleted scene in The Last Jedi, Phasma kept that fact hidden.
- Jossed. She only briefly appears before getting killed off.
- Jossed.
- Or more subtly, he was mind-tricked but he was fairly easy to do it to because he was also slightly uneasy with his job. Rey didn't have to push him very hard to act against the Order.
- Kylo: I don't know who are you. This is a mistake. I did not try to summon you.Ghost: Don't you know who am I? My name is Anakin Skywalker. The Light Side is strong in me, because I died bringing balance to the force. A balance that you are now trying to disrupt. Your master Snoke never told you about me.Kylo: He told me enough! He told me you helped Luke Skywalker to kill Darth Vader!Ghost: No. I am Darth Vader.Kylo: No... that's not true! That's impossible!Ghost: Search your feelings, you know this to be true.Kylo: NOOOOOOOOOOOO!Ghost: If you only knew the power of the light side... join me, Kylo Ren, and together we'll save the galaxy, like grandfather and grandson. Come with me. It is your destiny!
- Jossed.
But once Luke began training other Jedi, the scales tipped too far towards the Light Side, and so the Dark Side once again flared up in response, causing destruction and chaos by the two Sides coming into conflict.
Luke ran and hid not only because of his guilt over having trained the individual responsible for killing all the new Jedi Order, but also because he realized that his desire to train other Force Wielders directly caused the Force to become unstable; he also hid in the hopes that the Dark Side, as small as it currently is, would eventually be ended by its own tendency for self-destruction, and that in time the knowledge of Force-Wielding would die with him, leaving The Force finally, and completely, at peace.
- With the rumors that Thrawn may appear in Episode VIII, perhaps he decides that Snoke's regime is a failure, and usurps him.
- Jossed. He went into hiding out of shame for contemplating killing Ben.
- Confirmed. He throws it over his shoulder.
- They spared Chewie. Why not do the same with the younger Solo brother?
- Maybe the younger Solo brother was [[spoiler: among the Jedi trainees killed by Ben? It's been stated by Word of God that Ben went to Luke to be trained at an older age than had been customary in the old days for Jedi to start their training, and was already a young man in his twenties by the time of his fall to the dark side - drawing yet more parallels to Anakin. The way it's treated in the movie, however, was as if they had lost a much younger child. Perhaps they lost this child (doesn't necessary have to be a son, obviously) to his/her own older brother? That would make the original Trio's reactions to his turn to the Dark Side make a lot of sense. It wasn't just that Ben turned; it was that they lost another child/niece/nephew as a result of the turn.
- Jossed.
- Jossed. Luke cut himself off from the Force.
- Actually the more I think about this...
- Ren wants to finish what Vader started, and is terrified of falling to the light. What did Vader ever start? Nothing but the destruction of Palpatine. It would be an amazing arc for Ren if he's intentionally embraced the dark in order to get close enough to Snoke.
- That plus Snoke's provocative sabre scar across the head...
- Jossed. He was created by Palpatine.
Episode VIII:
- Kylo Ren is not dead.
- Rey trains with Luke Skywalker, while Finn and Poe fall into a trap in the attempt to kill Kylo Ren.
- Rey interrupts her training to go and save them.
- Rey fights against Kylo Ren and loses a hand.
- Poe tries to flee, but is captured again.
- Rey gets a bionic hand implanted.
Episode IX:
- Finn, disguised as a stormtrooper, frees Poe.
- There is a new, larger Starkiller base (possibly two).
- Snoke appears in person for the first time.
- Rey goes back to Luke Skywalker to resume her training.
- They are attacked, Luke Skywalker dies and dissolves into the Force.
- Rey decides to go and kill Snoke.
- Snoke tries to seduce Rey to the Dark Side, revealing that she is Kylo Ren's sister, daughter of Leia and Han Solo.
- Rey refuses Snoke's offer and starts fighting him.
- Before Snoke can kill her, Kylo Ren redeems himself and kills Snoke for brotherly love, but he gets killed too.
- The new Starkiller weapon(s) get(s) destroyed by the Millennium Falcon, flown by Poe.
- Poe makes a heroic sacrifice and explodes together with the Millennium Falcon.
- Rey and Finn marry.
- Luke Skywalker's and Ben Solo's ghosts appear.
- Mostly Jossed.
Her primary motive will be to break both Luke and Leia and seduce Rey to the dark side. Her Wham Line to Rey will be "You honestly don't remember I'm your mother, do you, Rey?" followed with a credible We Can Rule Together offer along the lines of "Snoke and Kylo are fools. We can rule the galaxy far better than any mere men!" Her (later) Wham Line to Luke (though not Leia) will be something like "Oh yes, I gave birth to her, but she's all yours. Of course, you wouldn't know--would you, Luke--that she's Leia's daughter... by you!!!" (Luke's likely response: first denial "But I never...! She never...! We didn't...!" and then after the villain explains how this happened, "Suddenly, I'm not so sorry Leia didn't live to see this day.")
The female villain's secondary motives for doing this will include one or more of the following:
- She figured the best way to maximize her surrogate child's force-sensitivity was to recombine the genetic material from Darth Vader's children, since he was the most powerful Jedi/Sith ever to have lived.
- She also figured the more twisted and evil the way she conceived her offspring was, the more easily she could turn the resulting child to the dark side.
- She was just so plain perverse that the thought of making a child from Sibling Incest gave her the ultimate sick thrill.
- She (also) got a sick thrill from the thought that maybe she could get Rey and Kylo together for even more inbreeding and perversion.
As for the writers' motives for pulling such an Ass Pull on us, how the characters come to grips with this horrible revelation will serve to deconstruct Sins of the Father and the Jedi's stupid rules against falling in love and getting married in the prequels. The big moral lesson Rey will learn from all this is that despicable origins don't force you to be immoral (as she ultimately rejects the villain's claims that she has to turn to the dark side just because she was conceived for its purposes and by its means). The big lesson the next generation of Jedi will learn in the meantime is not to make stupid rules against love and marriage and having children because those are what the Sith and Knights of Ren used to corrupt Darth Vader and Kylo Ren and others, and how they nearly seduced Rey as well. (Oh, and did I mention that one more big revelation from all this will be that this pointless celibacy requirement was one more motivation for Kylo Ren to turn against Luke? "Maybe your father would have made a better Jedi if the other Jedi had let him be your father, Luke; sounds to me like Vader had a point about those prigs.")
- Jossed. She's Palpatine's granddaughter.
When Luke himself learned about the force, he had to come a large part of the way himself after Obi-Wan Kenobi had died and before he met Yoda. Later, when he founded his new Jedi Order, he trained his apprentices from childhood, but was eventually betrayed by Kylo and his Knights of Ren. Luke only managed to save his most promising young student: Rey, the daughter of Han Solo and Leia Organa.
Luke realised he could not be trusted with the education of young, malleable children like Kylo had been at the beginning, so he decided that Rey should find him herself once the time was right and the force called to her, allowing her to figure out some things for herself like Luke had before being trained by Yoda. He put her on Jakku with a suppressed memory and placed Lor San Tekka near her to explain to her what the Force was and give her part of the plan to find Luke in time (the other half he left with Leia so Rey would have to talk with her and find the resistance before going to find Luke). Luke hoped that this way, she would only reach him once she was truly ready and he would teach her then.
Luke will train Rey in the ways of the force while the New Republic will strike back at the First Order in Episode VIII. Rey will become extremely powerful but also distant towards Finn, which worries him. Finn will find out about his own sensitivity to the force. At the end of Episode VIII, Rey will confront Kylo Ren again, whose training is now finished – but it is clear she is superior. He taunts her and tells her that Han was her father (a little fact that Luke, in good old Obi-Wan tradition, had not told her). Remembering how Kylo murdered Han, she goes into a rage and slaughters a helpless Kylo Ren. She glances towards the camera with a yellow glint in her eyes and the movie ends.
In Episode IX, Luke is heartbroken while Rey-led First Order forces win battle after battle. Finn finds Luke and begs him to teach him – Finn has always been ready to risk everything for Rey despite him being terribly afraid. Luke agrees eventually and teaches Finn, but Finn is still completely underprepared when he faces Rey. However, he eventually convinces her to come back to the light side like Luke did with Vader before. In the end, it is Finn who establishes a new Jedi order while Rey goes to the first Jedi temple to find herself again.
- Jossed. She remains on the light.
- Or perhaps some actually turned bad alongside Ben and became the lesser Knights of Ren.
- This theory is supported by Snoke's dialogue in the movie. He specifically fears that if the Resistance finds Luke Skywalker then "the new Jedi will rise". This line makes much more sense if Snoke fears a cadre of mostly trained Jedi knights in hiding ready to answer Luke's call instead of Luke starting to recruit and train new Jedi from scratch, a process that could take many years.
- None ever appear.
- Jossed. He survives Episode VIII.
- Jossed.
- Jossed. He was created by Palpatine.
- Notably, he still regards her as royalty, even though Alderaan was destroyed roughly four decades earlier. A former Rebel who was not from Alderaan would likely have come to identify her with her military role during that time, and forgotten about the princess thing, especially since she herself stopped using the title.
- The EU mentions that he was distant from his parents.
- Though most of the EU is Exiled From Canon, a few elements are still there, and supposedly the door has been left open for more. Mara was killed in the EU by a Solo kid turned Dark, so Kylo/Ben could have killed her when the Knights of Ren attacked Luke' academy. It would help explain why Luke went away and left her behind. And Rey has some very green eyes for being the daughter of blue eyed Luke, but if she had Mara's eyes that would make sense.
- Considering basic genetics mean that a blond and a redhead wouldn't be able to produce a brunette, this looks unlikely even if Rey is Luke's daughter. There'd have to be a brown-haired mother in the equation to explain why she's not blond like Luke.
- Genetics is much more complicated than that. The trait for hair color is made from a combination of many different genes and some traits skip generations, depending on the certain combination of genes and what other genes it combines with. Luke had a brunette mother so he definitely had the genes for brown hair. So if Mara had at least one brown-haired parent, the genes from that parent could have combined with the genes that Luke inherited from Padme to give their daughter brown hair.
- Considering basic genetics mean that a blond and a redhead wouldn't be able to produce a brunette, this looks unlikely even if Rey is Luke's daughter. There'd have to be a brown-haired mother in the equation to explain why she's not blond like Luke.
- Jossed. She's Palpatine's granddaughter.
- Similar to Luke, once Kylo Ren turned to the Dark Side she put down her lightsaber. Perhaps in Episode VIII, when Kylo inevitably confronts her, she'll reveal combat abilities similarly to Yoda vs Count Dooku in Attack of the Clones. And it'll be awesome.
- Confirmed.
- Kind of out there, but she and Obi-Wan had a certain atmosphere about them, and while she is still canon, her death is not, so it's technically possible.
- Going by the timeline, she is more likely to be Rey's grandmother than her mother.
- Jossed. She's Palpatine's granddaughter.
It's possible that it could be either her mother or Kylo Ren who left her. The former could have escaped the Jedi massacre with Rey and left her on Jakku with a promise to come back for her, then got killed on the way back and led Luke to believe both she and Rey died, hence contributing to his self-imposed exile and explaining why he never looked for Rey. It's also probably notable that in the audiobook for the novelization, the voice for the additional line in a flashback that wasn't in the movie ("I'll come back for you, sweetheart, I promise" or something to that effect) is female, and Luke is standing in front of what could be a gravestone at the end when Rey finds him.
The latter is a less likely possibility, but it could work. Knowing his obsession with Anakin's bloodline, he probably couldn't bring himself to kill a fellow heir and decided to maroon her on a deserted planet instead to keep her out of the way without having to bump her off. Given the timeline, he would have been a teenager during this scenario, so it's not entirely out of the question.
- Jossed. She's Palpatine's granddaughter.
- Unlikely; first, Rey would have been old enough to remember Han and Leia as her parents, which she doesn't. Second, if they were her parents, they'd have no reason not to tell her the truth, given how important her family is to her. And thirdly, I find it really hard to believe they'd ditch her on Jakku, promise to come back, and never return.
- Jossed. She's Palpatine's granddaughter.
- Jossed.
- That's why both of them are always at odds with each other and always try to one-up one another to gain Snoke's approval.
- In relation to that theory, the on-going cold war between them could escalate to the point where one of them will try to kill the other and/or be forced to defect to the Resistance.
- Jossed. He seems to have no force sensitivity.
- Jossed. We see a human face though her mask.
- Just so Snoke can say right before the climatic battle: "Rey, I am your father."
- Jossed. She's Palpatine's granddaughter.
- His hologram is really just an avatar of some sort.
- Jossed.
- Rey gets in the Falcon during an extremely stressful incident, and somehow instantly knows how to fly it LIKE A FREAKING PRO, pulling off maneuvers that would make Han Solo jealous.
- Rey touches Anakin's Lightsaber and experiences a series of visions, likely of events the lightsaber was there to be imprinted with. Part of the reason for Rey's blatant rejection of the Saber at first was probably because she felt the deaths of those 30-odd Younglings in it.
- Next, during Kylo Ren's attempt to interrogate her, she gains a lot of insight to using the force, so much so that she can do the Jedi Mind Trick in three tries later. However this case is a little iffy for Psychometry as in this case the "object" Force-touched her rather than the other way around.
- Finally, during the fight with Kylo Ren, despite being untrained with Lightsabers, the moment it touches her hand she proceeds to kick (an admittedly wounded) Kylo Ren's ass. This could be Psychometry by use of the combat experience of all who've held the saber being channeled through her.
- In addition to her first brush with the Falcon, she's had experience clambering around in potentially similar vessels to salvage parts, potentially acquiring knowledge through that contact as well.
- They would have had to really bend over backwards to fake everybody out. If you look carefully at him after Takodana, Poe still has marks on his face from where he was bleeding after his torture. That would have required that the Resistance know exactly what injuries he had sustained while in captivity. They would have also needed to know about Finn, since Poe recognizes and rushes to hug him when they see each other at the Resistance base. Any clone made of Poe would not have his recent injuries or memories. In the latter case, BB-8 never saw Poe and Finn together until then, and the droid had no knowledge of what their prior interactions were like so as to coach a clone how to react to seeing Finn.
- Given the filmmakers have already lived up to their statement of borrowing elements from the Legends continuity, this would make for a very dark twist on Empatojayos Brand.
- Jossed. He was created by Palpatine.
- Jossed.
- Jossed.
- Additionally, it's possible that he simply did not need to be trained until this point, because there's no one around who can really oppose him (which would also factor into his inadequate fighting, what training he did have would have rusted after years of lack of real use) and just looking intimidating and carrying a lightsaber to perform executions had been enough until another lightsaber and Rey showed up. To support that Snoke didn't train him much if at all, his attempts at tapping into the Dark Side, particularly in the final fight, aren't really effective at even giving him a temporary boost.
- This seems plausible, but remember that while Rey may be a neophyte as a Force-user, she is far from a neophyte as a hand-to-hand combatant. The movie shows us her beating up two guys at once on Jakku largely to make it believable later on that she can take a wounded Kylo Ren. Also, he didn't get hit by a blaster; he was shot with a weapon that was shown to be much more powerful than a blaster. Again, they had the characters talk about the power of that weapon precisely so that it would be believable that Ren would not be able to block it.
- Bonus points if the Imperial Remnant faction is led by Mitth'raw'nuruodo.
- This is a probability since some members of the Resistance dress like Imperial officers. This troper accepts this as Head Canon at least.
- Jossed.
- I'm pretty sure that's not how it works. Those are just Force powers, with no inherent alignment. Asajj Ventress was able to Mind Trick clones and she was pretty steeped in the Dark Side. The Inquisitors don't seem to use Force Lightning. Hell, Darth Maul, an explicit Sith doesn't use Force Lightning. It's probably more that Force Lightning is an advanced technique and everyone who could have taught him it is dead.
- Given that Kylo Ren received at least part of his training from Luke, and other parts of his Force use seem to be intuitive rage-based variations on Force manipulations of matter that in their original form would be neutral (using the Force to lift a person into the air to choke them, for instance, as opposed to lifting an object for any other purpose) it's possible the techniques he's most proficient in are the ones he learned while still nominally allied with the Light Side. Snoke doesn't seem particularly interested in actually teaching him anything, and might not even be an actual Force user.
- Jossed.
- Expanding on this, the Trauma Conga Line Leia endured between Return of the Jedi and The Force Awakens drove her into a myraid of bad habits that negatively affected her health, in a mirror of Carrie Fisher's own ''interesting'' life.
- Jossed.
- Alternatively, Snoke is the result of the same technique used by another in a more ancient time on a long since dead species, his 'deformity' just the result of his extreme age and scarring.
- Jossed. He was created by Palpatine.
- Jossed. Luke wanted the Jedi to end.
- Jossed.
- Jossed. She's Palpatine's granddaughter.
- Except she died years before the end of the Clone Wars. Meaning, his son/daughter would be older than Luke. Meaning, we'd probably be talking about Obi-Wan being Rey's great-grandfather, not just grandfather. Meaning four generations removed from Rey, not just three.
- Satine had a "nephew" with no known parents, could've been Obi-Wan's illegitimate son.
- Jossed. She's Palpatine's granddaughter.
- That's intriguing. Endor was a moon, but they obviously moved it away from its primary. There'd be plenty of parts to salvage floating in orbit from Death Star II. Yeah, I could see that.
- Jossed. It was built from Ilum.
- We honestly don't know yet if Luke opted to abide by the old Jedi Order's prohibition on marriage or not. Remember that even the EU writers were taken by surprise when Lucas sprang the whole Jedi-cannot-have-long-term-relationships thing on them. So a lot of EU stuff, including Luke's marriage to Mara Jade, was based on the assumption that Jedi could marry and that there were whole Jedi families. Something Lucas Jossed as of The Phantom Menace. Thus, it's quite possible that if Luke observed Jedi tradition, he did not marry, and if Rey is his daughter she is illegitimate.
- Even ignoring that, it could just be possible Luke wasn't ready to get married yet.
- Jossed. She's Palpatine's granddaughter.
- Jossed. It opens with the Resistance evacuating their base.
How I think it went down: Snoke/Kylo Ren began targeting little Rey (who was 4-5 when she eventually got left on Jakku). So Luke, reluctantly, let his wife/girlfriend/lover and their child flee to go into hiding, while he felt obligated to stay behind to try and help the Resistance/try and bring Ben/Kylo back to the light. However, things somehow got screwed up, and Rey's mother had to leave Rey on Jakku in some kind of desperate act, but with every intention of coming back for her. Except, she couldn't because she got captured/killed. And she never had any time to tell Luke where she'd hidden their daughter before she was. So Luke, no matter how long he might have looked for her, finally just assumed his child was killed along with her mother. It was only 14-15 years later, when Rey fully awakened to the Force, (at Maz's castle, as well as he encounters with Kylo Ren on Starkiller Base), that he realized he was mistaken, and that his child actually wasn't killed after all. Which is why he looks at her the way he does when she arrives. He's known that she was alive at least a day or two before she actually arrived, via the Force. So there's no surprise on his face when she arrives. Because he's has a day to two to get over the shock and joy of knowing she's alive. And now all that's left is the sadness - sadness of knowing he missed 14-15 years of his daughter's growing up. (And that she may not fully get who he is to her, being she was only 5 years old at most the last time she saw him).
- The "coincidence" of someone with ties to Leia being on Jakku and having the last piece of the map to Luke Skywalker combined with R2 reactivating and revealing the rest of the map when Rey arrived at the Resistence base would seem indicate otherwise. It only really fits if Luke was already planning on going to the planet of the first Jedi temple when the plan to put Rey on Jakku was arrived at.
- Why does it fit if it's only Luke who leaves her there because of Lor San Tekka (Max Von Sydow's character who had the map)? We have no idea how he got that map to Luke - if it was given to him by someone other than Luke himself or not. And R2 reacting to Rey - which we are just assuming at this point - doesn't necessarily mean Luke placed her on Jakku either. Because it assumes that Luke knew that sooner or later Rey would leave Jakku and just happen to find Leia who had R2 for that to happen - without any knowledge or idea to do so. Because, if you look closely at the flashback, Rey was not left with Lor San Tekka - she was left with Unkar Plutt (it's his hand you see and who's voice you hear in the brief flashback). You know, the guy Rey was scavenging for and getting food rations from. Why would Luke knowing leave his daughter (assuming she's his) with him to hide her there for an indefinite amount of time? The novelization, which yes is canon, hints that Rey getting left on Jakku was a quick decision, not something that was planned out beforehand, or to be for a long period of time (i.e. years): "Then behind her, another voice. THAT voice. 'Stay here. I'll come back for you...I'll come back, sweetheart. I promise.'" And then, of course, Maz telling her that "whomever you're waiting for on Jakku, they're never coming back." Meaning, the person who left her there, who tells Rey they'll come back for her - isn't coming back. Then, Maz goes on to say the belonging Rey wants isn't behind her, but ahead, to which Rey answers "Luke." The belonging Rey wants is her family. And if Luke's ahead, by deduction, the one who left her behind wasn't Luke.
- Word of God has it R2D2's reactivation had nothing to do with Rey.
- The "coincidence" of someone with ties to Leia being on Jakku and having the last piece of the map to Luke Skywalker combined with R2 reactivating and revealing the rest of the map when Rey arrived at the Resistence base would seem indicate otherwise. It only really fits if Luke was already planning on going to the planet of the first Jedi temple when the plan to put Rey on Jakku was arrived at.
- Jossed. She's Palpatine's granddaughter.
There's conveniently no one around to observe her, but you can pretty much imagine Palpatine cackling and calling on her to strike Kylo down in that last fight - and she was only prevented from doing so by chance. I suspect that Luke is going to disappoint her a great deal by telling her to do a lot of unlearning in the sequel...
- I doubt it - HOWEVER it would be an interesting thing to reveal because it would throw some complication as to why he blanched at the prospect of shooting innocents at the beginning.
- Jossed.
- Except Kathleen Kennedy, the now-head of Lucasfilms, has said the core films "focus on the Skywalker family saga" and always will. [3] The spin-off Anthology films (like the upcoming Rouge One) will focus on other things and people, but the main episodic films will always be about the Skywalker family. So, they may not officially be called "Adventures of Just the Skywalkers" . . . but that's what they are, at their core, and will remain so. (Plus, George Lucas' original vision for the saga, or at least for Episodes 1-9, was always about one family. He even talked to Mark Hamill back in the early 1980s about coming back to play older Luke around 2000-2011 or so and passing things on to the "next generation." [4] [5] ) I'm not saying this 100% confirms Rey IS a Skywalker . . . but as the main protagonist, it's probably more likely to assume she's related in some way than not. And before anyone makes the Kylo Ren argument - he'd be the Skywalker (by blood) antagonist of the series, just like Vader was to Luke in the OT, not the protagonist. Abrams has already said his story is the evolution of a villain, not a hero. [6]
- Seconding the above point. Hell, even George Lucas' post-release interview with Charlie Rose strongly hinted that it's not really a Star Wars movie if a Skywalker protagonist isn't front-and-center, and that he always saw the story as being about the trials and tribulations of the Skywalker clan."It’s all about generations and it’s about, you know, the issues of fathers and sons and grandfathers; it’s a family soap opera. I mean, ultimately. We call it a space opera, but people don’t realize it’s actually a soap opera. And it’s all about family problems—it’s not about spaceships."
- The notion of the "protagonist" is a loose one in Star Wars. The prequels focus on Anakin, whose fall to the Dark Side and eventual death is a case of Doomed by Canon. Hence the many fan complaints about him being a whiny jerk. The entire prequel trilogy was about him trying to become a hero and becoming a villain instead. We are spared the sight of Kylo Ren as a child or a teenager, but he is still a member of the Skywalker line, struggling with the Light and Dark much like his grandfather did.
- True, but . . . I think any similarities the filmmakers/Disney will make to the prequels are going to be slim-to-nonexistent. This new trilogy seems more interested in pulling structure and ideas from the OT (hence people complaining that the plot structure of TFA is very similar to A New Hope). Meaning, I don't think they're only going to be doing a "Skywalker Falls To The Dark Side" as the core-main Skywalker storyline again, like the prequels did.
- Jossed. She's Palpatine's granddaughter.
- If this theory turns out to be true, it would make the Star Wars parody on Johnny Bravo a bit Hilarious in Hindsight."No, Biff Proton! I didn't kill your second cousin! I AM YOUR SECOND COUSIN!"
"NOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!" - Rey looks way too much like Padme not to be related to her. She's either Padme's grand-niece (I think one of the illustrated guides mentioned that Padme's sister greets them at the lake house in Ep. II) or possibly the granddaughter of one of Padme's body-doubles, most likely the one played by Keira Knightley because that's who I kept mistaking her for.
- She was cast color-blind, which means she could have been black, asian, or anything. They didn't specifically seek out white, brunette leads. So the resemblance is not intentional.
- All that means is that Rey is not the daughter of Han and Leia since both are white. But that does not mean that Rey's resemblance isn't intentional, especially if one of the parents is an unknown new character. Not to mention that doesn't exclude other facial features that the crew was looking for, such as the structures of the face. The fact remains Rey's face uncannily resembles that of Padme and Shimi.
- What about Rey's force sensitivity? Padme wasn't force sensitive, nor was anyone in her family, nor was any of the body-doubles (that we know of). Meaning her father would have had to have been. Meaning, who was he?
- Maybe Anakin had some secret hanky-panky with the Keira Knightley body-double? That would explain both Rey's resemblance to her and her Force powers.
- Anakin could have only been Rey's grandfather though, not her father. Especially because he died a little over 10 years before Rey was born. Heck, that goes for the handmaiden too. IF Anakin cheated on Padme with the Keira Knightly body-double, (which, given how Anakin was shown to feel about Padme is doubtful, but okay), and had a child with her, then that child would have to have been Rey's either mother or father, not either of them. Because even if the body-double lived after the fall of the Empire, she would have been around 50 or 60 years old when Rey was born.
- You know Force-sensitivity isn't only passed down through parents, right? Some Force-sensitive parents have non-Force sensitive children, and vice versa.
- Kylo is Rey's father's brother's nephew's cousin's former roommate!
- She was cast color-blind, which means she could have been black, asian, or anything. They didn't specifically seek out white, brunette leads. So the resemblance is not intentional.
- First person: (blushing) I wasn't thinking of Anakin or Obi-Wan having affairs at all, just Rey being related Padme — or someone who looked like her — and having incredible Force powers by chance!
- Jossed. She's Palpatine's granddaughter.
- There is a slight possibility that he does somewhat realize, but looks at it from another perspective — Darth Vader except for a short bit at the very beginning was a physical wreck barely clinging on to life with the help of extensive cybernetics and possibly the Dark Side of the Force, and was still a powerful Force-user and enforcer for the Empire, and Kylo Ren almost certainly knows that given his familiar relations and training under Luke. He might simply not think that he would yet be capable of doing as much if hampered as much as Vader was, and hence be less powerful despite technically being more powerful.
- Psychologically, stopping an incoming blaster bolt may be easier for Kylo than Vader as well. Kylo doesn't loathe himself as much as Vader did, so may find it easier to use the Force for self-protection than his grandfather, who subconsciously believed he deserved to be hurt.
- Jossed.
Then I realized: there's no way to test either view, even in-Universe. How can you tell if the "not-Dark Side" parts of the Force are a "Light Side," or simply the natural state of the Force? You can't.
So, this makes me suspect that the existence of the Light Side was actually a doctrinal difference between the Jedi and Sith. The Sith tried to use a Balance Between Good and Evil understanding of the Force to justify their own existence, while the Jedi insisted that true "balance" was an absence of the Dark Side.
After Yoda's death there were no other Jedi to explain the Jedi perspective to Luke, and the Empire destroyed most of the Jedi archives. So, for some of his teachings, Luke had to raid Sith archives to try to reverse-engineer the Jedi teachings, and the presence of a "Light Side" was an error on his part.
- Jossed.
So, in teaching a new generation, Luke tried to teach balance between the serenity of the Jedi and the passion of the Sith. The problem is that Luke learned to balance the two sides of the Force through painful experience. Kylo and the other Knights of Ren failed to understand what Luke was trying to teach them. Luke said that the dark side is not inherently evil and that drawing on your emotions, including fear and anger, will not automatically make you evil. Kylo and co. heard 'dark side all the way!'
Rey, on the other hand, did understand. She clearly drew on her fear for Finn and herself, and her rage of the murder of Han, for strength to fight and beat Kylo. That does not make her evil, and it does not mean that she was about to fall to the dark side or that she will fall. It means that she is the worthy successor to Luke Skywalker.
- Jossed.
- Jossed. Lando doesn't appear until Episode IX and how Maz found the lightsaber is never revealed.
- Unlikely, if this were true then anytime he put the "lightsaber" away then the discharges would be released and fly out rather then the blades going back into the hilt which it does like a regular lightsaber.
- Jossed.
- I sketched this out and he becomes a male Asajj Ventress with hair...
- Jossed.
- Jossed. Jones's character in Rogue One, Jyn Erso, dies at the end of that film, which takes place well before Rey could be conceived.
- And here I figured he might just be descended from a sibling or cousin of Mace's who wasn't bound by the Jedi Order's vow of chastity.
- The Jedi didn't have a vow of chastity, they didn't allow long-term relationships. Jedi could whore it up all over the galaxy if they wanted to, but they weren't allowed to settle down with anyone.
- Jossed.
- Jossed. Rey stays on the Light Side and Luke dies after projecting his image with the Force.
- Semi-confirmed. He does so after Leia dies.
- Jossed. They never show up again.
- Alternatively, Lando knew the woman was pregnant, but was forced to leave her and their unborn child for some reason (such as being hunted by Imperial remnants or bounty hunters). And when confronted with realization, Lando will instead exclaim, "I had no choice!"
- Jossed.
- Jossed. They meet and don't seem to have any history with each other.
- Confirmed.
Look at the gun Han gives Rey, that he got from the Falcon. It's borderline IDENTICAL to the Ride Booker!
- Jossed.
- Confirmed with Janna.
- She's more similar in terms of personality to Obi-Wan than to Luke. Skywalkers are brash, impatient, and emotional—we see these traits with Luke, with Anakin, and with Kylo Ren. Rey displays none of those qualities. She is, however, cool-headed, patient, and solitary, traits Obi-Wan had.
- In the real world, accents are learned, but in Star Wars, they're inheirited. Obi-Wan and Rey both have British accents, and this isn't a case of her actress being British— John Boyega, Finn's actor, is also British, but he had to use an American accent. Daisy Ridley was permitted to keep her natural accent.
- Her fighting style is similar to Obi-Wan's, very defensive with lots of circular motions.
- She has a knack for languages, naturally understanding Chewbacca and BB-8, much like Obi-Wan.
- Some of the things she does call back to things Obi-Wan did. She sneaks around an enemy base undetected, like Obi-Wan did in A New Hope, and her fight with Kylo Ren includes a throwback to this◊ scene from Revenge of the Sith.
- She's a natural at using the Jedi Mind Trick, which is practically Obi-Wan's signature skill in A New Hope.
- Obi-Wan has canonically been in love before, with Satine Kryze, and stated he would have left the Jedi Order if she'd asked him to, meaning he's not one-hundred percent dedicated to the celibacy rule. In the years following Order 66, he may very well have fathered a child out of grief.
- Additionally, narratively speaking, having the granddaughter of Obi-Wan fighting the grandson of Darth Vader has more of the "symmetry"/"poetic repetition" that Star Wars values than having two cousins fighting each other.
- Yeah, I just don’t buy the arguments I see for this theory (here and in other places):
- Rey may not exhibit some of the traits of Skywalker men. (Including the famous whining gene). But the Skywalker women, OTOH? Shmi, Leia - heck even Padme (who is a Skywalker by marriage)? I’d say Rey acts a lot like them very much.
- Where has it ever been noted - in canon - that accents are genetic in Star Wars? They’re not. [7] Characters who have American accents are usually noted to have come from the Outer Rim territories (like Luke and Anakin). People who speak with British accents are usually people based/raised close to Coruscant and other Galactic Core Worlds. Max Von Sydow’s character of Lor San Tekka has the same type of accent Rey does. Anyway, Rey could have very well picked up her accent from her mother (if you want to go with genetics, though I think it was just from being around her), as well as other humans like Tekka who live on Jakku. (Which is not in the Outer Rim, but the Western Reaches, closer to the Galatic Core and other Core Worlds. [8])
- Obi-Wan trained as a Jedi since he was old enough to be, meaning he was probably 3-4 years old. He had years to develop a fighting style. Rey’s first time picking up a lightsaber was in the woods on Starkiller Base, and she was fighting for her life against someone who clearly had more training in using the force. She was trying to stay alive and protect Finn - so of course she fought with more defense than offense.
- Han also can understand Chewie. And Anakin could understand R2. A knack for understanding languages isn’t limited to Obi-Wan in the SWU.
- Jedi Mind Trick: it isn’t something Obi-Wan alone had a knack for. It was also something Luke clearly became quite adept at doing in Return of the Jedi. The Force Awakens wasn’t only mirroring things from A New Hope. There were a LOT of parallels taken from The Empire Strikes Back and Return of the Jedi as well - especially noticeable in the three specific planet locations the film takes place on.
- One of my main problems with this theory: not only does it rest on assuming that Obi-Wan broke with his Jedi vows after Order 66, but then all of this would require a massive Infodump in Episode 8; including having to introduce 3 new characters that the audience would, theoretically never meet or see. A wife/lover for Obi-Wan, then a son or daughter for him, and then a wife/husband for that son/daughter. When you have to introduce that many characters just to introduce a plot twist that actually doesn’t really enhance the plot in any way besides becoming a cool easter egg, it just makes it incredibly convoluted IMO. Rey could never be Obi-Wan’s daughter or anything directly connected to him 1 to 1 (because he died roughly 19 years before Rey was born). So she’d have to be 3 generations removed from him at least. And, out of all of those people you need to get to Rey, Obi-Wan is the only one any general viewers would actually care about. (Whereas with, say Kylo Ren, he's not just Anakin's grandson, but Leia and Han's son. Two characters who carry over from the previous films - the OT - right before TFA, and who people can already know and care about. So Rey being Luke's daughter would make her not just Anakin's granddaughter, but have a parent we would already know and care about from the OT, just like Kylo Ren. )
- With regards to the meta issue of having to introduce 3 new characters, I disagree. A New Hope told us Luke was the son of Anakin, who wasn't revealed as a character until the next movie — and no mention was made of his mother in the entire original trilogy. I think it would be easy enough to reveal that Rey was descended from Obi-Wan without having to actually flesh out any characters. "Your father was Jimbo Kenobi, and his father was Obi-Wan Kenobi." Done.
- All the above counter-arguments seem sound enough. Still, there's one question left that could determine whether or not Rey is really related to Obi-Wan: Why did she hear Obi-Wan's voice calling out to her in her vision when she picked up the lightsaber? And it's not just 'Ben' Kenobi's voice (calling out 'Rey'), there's also Obi-Wan's younger voice ('These are your first steps'). Of course, all of this could be just a coincidence, but I don't think they would put Obi-Wan's voices, both young and old, in her vision if they won't serve a purpose later.
- In A New Hope Obi-Wan tells Luke that he's taken his first steps as they reach Alderaan: "You’ve taken your first steps into a larger world." As you point out, what does Obi-Wan say to Rey in the vision? "Rey. These are your first steps." It's an echo-callback to what Obi-Wan said to Luke (her father?) while on his journey. Plus, Yoda's voice also calls to Rey and says something to her in that vision too per Word of God (though I personally still haven't been able to make out what he says). Yet, no one is arguing Rey is Yoda's granddaughter because of this, are they?
- Okay, that's true. But then again, why do we hear "These are your first steps" in Obi-Wan's younger voice, when it was 'Old Ben' Kenobi who said it to Luke? Maybe they put it in for a nice cameo from Ewan McGregor and for continuity's sake, this I can understand. And the point about nobody thinks she's descended from Yoda is because it's so unlikely. Yoda had been the grand master of the Old Jedi Order for hundreds of years (he's almost as old as Maz Kanata) and we all know from the prequels how strict to the Jedi code he was. And he retired to Dagobah immediately after Order 66 and stayed there until Luke come, so there's no way he could've gone anywhere to 'make' any descendant. Unless he was secretly so powerful in the Force, he created a new Chosen One like Anakin by himself, and was the real person that the famous quote "There Is Another" he spoke to Obi-Wan's ghost really referred to, and Obi-Wan mistakenly assumed it was Leia because she's Luke's sister. This new 'Chosen One' then ended up not doing anything at all because it turned out that Luke could take care of everything by himself, and promptly 'forgot' how to use the Force and lead a normal life, eventually creating a descendant that turns out to be Rey in the end. Okay, this theory is so crazy...
- I do belive using Ewan McGregor's voice was meant to just be a nice cameo. Also? Let's face it, Alec Guinness is dead. If they want to show Obi-Wan's force ghost talking to Luke at any point in the next two films, they're going to have to use Ewan McGregor. Better start establishing him now, and what better way than with a callback-echo line, linking him and Alec Guinness' "Old Ben." (And we fans can just say he learned the "youthful force-ghost" look from Anakin.)
- Jossed. She's Palpatine's granddaughter.
- "Snape" ending: He was a double-agent the whole time and killing his father was a way to gain Snoke's trust. In the end he will die killing (or at least betraying) Snoke and go to the Light Side just like Grandpa Vader
- "Traditional" ending: Same as Vader's
- I haven't actually seen the movie so this is just a guess: Kylo's goal is to recreate Vader's life exactly: Train as a Jedi, fall to the dark side, work for the Big Bad, betray him and his empire, get forgiven, go to the light side and die. This goes into the Zuko ending below: he will realize what a freaking stupid idea trying to be someone he's not is and will make up for it... unless Snoke brainwashes/kills/possesses him first.
- "Sasuke" ending:
- Version 1: Same as "Snape" ending. Kylo wants to kill Snoke, who he blames for all the death and destruction around him and will do anything to get stronger and closer to do so. Derailed when someone else kills Snoke or he kills Snoke and discovers a bigger bad.
- Version 2: Wants to be the Big Bad himself and wreck the good guys for their perceived failings. Derailed when all the good guys die (or appear to).
- Version 3: Kylo wants to become the Big Bad and unite the galaxy with hatred of him. For some reason he decides to do this after the galaxy has already united to fight a Bigger (Biggest?) Bad. Derailed when the good guys smack some sense into him.
- "Lelouch" Ending: He appears to be irredeemable and goes over to the Dark Side permanently...but it was all just a ploy to make himself the symbol of hatred for the galaxy and the heroes only realize that after he is killed.
- "Char Aznable" Ending: He appears to pull a Heel–Face Turn due to guilt over Han's death or him being a mole being a confirmed theory, much like Char in Zeta Gundam and even becomes a sort of mentor figure for Rey, as Char did with Kamille. Episode VIII ends with the final battle against Snoke, but something bad happens that pushes him over the edge permanently and this sets him up as the Big Bad for Episode IX.
- "Gollum" ending: He goes into the Dark Side permanently and irredeemably. He kills Snoke as per Sith tradition and is then killed himself either in a final duel or by accident, though probably not as anticlimactically as book!Gollum
- "Book Jack Torrance" ending: He uses the last of his humanity/sanity to let the good guys escape and is then overcome by the Dark Side/Snoke/madness and is killed through his own actions, which according to the book is trying stop an unstoppable explosion with his bare hands
- "Arthas" ending: He dosen't get redeemed, but he regains his sanity and humanity in the last minute and everyone close to him forgives him.
- ''Legends-counterpart (Darth Caedus) Ending: He dosen't get redeemed in life, but the Force allows him to work torwards redemption in the afterlife as a Force Ghost. This may tie into the Char, Arthas, and Lelouch endings, as well as the Gollum ending depending on how much of an Alas, Poor Villain moment his death is in that condition.
- "Zuko" ending: He realizes that getting what he thought he wanted wasn't actually worth it, and performs a Heel–Face Turn near the end of the eighth/beginning of the ninth movie out of guilt. The heroes are slow to trust him, and most are skeptical, but he slowly earns their trust by working for redemption, and in the end becomes an ally (for a full-blown parallel, he takes on leadership of the remnants of the First Order and turns them into a force for good).
- "Saren" Ending: Kylo is redeemed and dies in Episode VIII or halfway through IX through suicide out of guilt, but Snoke possesses Kylo Ren as he dies and becomes the final enemy.
- "Gilthunder" Ending, AKA Snape Extended Edition: Actually the middle: Kylo's been acting heinous because Snoke is always watching. Maybe he got in over his head, maybe he has a plan, but he can't afford to show any weakness or Snoke will smoke him. Once Snoke is defeated he can begin to atone.
- All Jossed.
- Jossed. It's never brought up again.
- It would add at least one somewhat redeeming quality to the Emperor, much like him preparing against the coming Yuzhan Vong invasion in the Star Wars Legends continuity.
- It would add another level to Luke's feelings of guilt, feeling like his actions accidentally unleashed Snoke, directly leading to his Nephew's fall and the death of most of his students.
- It explains why Snoke, despite the power of the First Order and the Starkiller weapon, is so bent on destroying Luke and the Jedi, he is powerful, but isn't as powerful as Luke, who would always be a major threat to him.
- It also explains why he is so interest in using Kyle Ren as a pawn, since it gives him the power of the Skywalker Bloodline.
- It explains why the First Order is so determined to destroy, rather than conquer, the New Republic and have designed its weapons to that aim.
- Adding a new Force Religion would add more dimension to the Star Wars Galaxy and allow the creators to give more detail, nuance, and difference to the ultimately cyclical story. It could also preface what others have suggested, the creation of a new, more balanced Force Religion to replace the Jedi at the conclusion of the Sequel Trilogy.
- Perhaps Snoke is a Knight of Ren. We don't yet know where the name comes from, perhaps the group or religion that Snoke used to be a part of was called the Kings of Ren and now that they are gone (killed by either Snoke, the Jedi, or the emperor) Snoke is sort of rebuilding them with Kylo Ren and Luke's other former students. They might even have some connection to the war between the Jedi and Sith or perhaps are even older than that.
- There is a theory in Star Wars WMG that before the Jedi and the Republic the galaxy was divided up into fiefdoms controlled by force-sensitive individuals and groups like Feudal Europe or Japan. While not true in the EU, it could be true in the new canon and this could be part of the explanation for Snoke and the Knight of Ren. The Knights of Ren might have been one of the Feudal force groups that survived while the other were conquered by, or coalesced into the Jedi and Sith with Snoke being a member of the original group that survived by going into some force version of hibernation before being woken by Darth Plageius while on the search for eternal life. With the destruction of most of the Jedi and the death of Darth Vader and the Emperor, Snoke had his chance to recreate his old kingdom if not one bigger with the First Order and the newly reborn Knights of Ren.
- That would be an interesting angle, that Snoke is sort of an ultimate survival of the fittest type and seeks to kill everything else, eventually destroying his own species and everything else, and wants to destroy everything else as well. After years of being held in check by the Jedi and THEN the Sith, he finally realized the usefulness, at least in the short term, of apprentices and followers. Therefore he took over control of the Imperior Remnant, originally the soldiers the Emperor sent to keep him in check, and corrupted Ben Solo and some of Luke's other apprentices to use as weapons(as Han indicates) against the Jedi and the Republic in general.
- Jossed. Palpatine created Snoke as part of his plan.
What the First Order did to the New Republic was roughly the equivalent of Pearl Harbor, 911 and the Paris Attack rolled into one, times a million. Despite being in a weakened state, losing their capital and and an entire system, that sucker punch will unite the entire New Republic against the Order. All planets of the NR will rally, combined their various individual Army, Navy, and Financial backing to go to war with the First Order. The New Republic will do their best to make the First Order rue the day they blew up Hosnian Prime.
- Jossed. The New Republic was completely wiped out.
- If this were true, it could mean that she was using Battle Meditation in the fight against Kylo, which would explain how things turned in her favor so quickly.
- Jossed. It's Palpatine, though she later adopts the name Skywalker.
- Maz has clearly had experience with the Jedi and is very familiar with them, and I believe Wordof God is that she knew Yoda. She rather seems like a Force Sensitive version of Han Solo. She's a pirate, which implies that she has clearly been up to some questionable activities, but is ultimately a good person. I foresee her playing a part in VIII and being very important in IX. My thought would be that Rey undergoes Jedi training in VIII but very nearly falls to the Dark Side because of the strict Jedi rules and practices and in IX Maz helps her realize that it is possible to be a good person, and fight for the Light Side, without being so restrictive and absolute about what that entails as the Jedi are.
- And I'm sure Luke would also learn that as well, considering that even after all these years, he still have much to learn in order to successfully rebuild the Jedi Order. Because it is kind of a Surprisingly Realistic Outcome when it comes to Luke trying to rebuild the Jedi Order all by himself with only little Jedi training. He had to figure things out on his own most of the time and he might not be the best teacher for the new Jedi, which might be one of the reasons that leads to Ben Solo turning to the Dark side and ruins everything in the first place. If Maz really does know Yoda, then Luke would have a lot to discuss with her regarding the Jedi Master's thoughts on the Force and advice on how to rebuild the Jedi Order as well.
- I picture that, one on one, Luke would actually be a good teacher. I think Luke's error the first time he tried to rebuild the order was trying to do too much. Based on the number of bodies in the Force Vision Luke was trying to train A LOT of students at once, and I can't imagine that he was also trying to help Leia rebuild the Republic and re-establish the Jedi's role in it. That is a lot for one person to take on by himself, and would likely have led to many deficiencies in training. I picture her trying very hard to be a perfect Jedi but having increasing gnawing self-doubt(accentuated by her abandoment issues, she fears that if she isn't a perfect Jedi, Luke will reject her) at her fears and emotions in general, eventually almost falling to the Dark Side because she feels she is destined for it, or has no other choice, and then leaved Luke's training or maybe even becoming rather like Anakin at the beginning of Episode III of seriously struggling and even committing some Dark Side acts, at which point Maz would help her embrace a more balanced view of the Force, and I like the idea of her helping Luke with that as well.
- I just realized that having Maz as the Yoda figure, teaching a grey/balance view of the Force, and revealing that it is possible to be a good person and fight the Dark Side without being as morally absolutist as the Jedi and rejecting all emotion and attachement, actually fits in perfectly with Rey's first mentor, Han Solo. Han Solo may not be a Jedi or be Force Sensitive, but that is precisely the character he is. He is a good person, who fights evil when the chips are down, but isn't afraid of attachements, isn't afraid to get angry, looks out for himself and his own needs, and is more than willing to kill, even kill preemptively, if the situation calls for it.
- It also gives a good explanation of why Ben/Kylo had such an attachment and also a hatred of Han Solo. I can definitely picture him being very attached and admiring his hero father, who was probably with him more often given Leia's political role trying to rebuild the Republic. When he starts feeling the Force and wrestling with some anger issues, he looks to his father, who he correctly sees as being a more understanding character(since he is famous as both a war hero and a smuggler, he guesses that his father understands darkness and anger better). However, on hearing the confession of his son, and perhaps because of his own fear of Darth Vader, he defers to Leia and Luke's moral absolutist views and agrees to send him off to be trained, making Ben feel abandoned and betrayed, but still hoping that his father will eventually come around and help him.
- It could be Kylo Ren who loses a limb. That is a Skywalker tradition, after all. Or maybe he and Rey lose a limb to each other, fulfilling both the "new Jedi loses a limb" and "a Skywalker loses a limb" clauses.
- Jossed.
- Figure there is too much prequel stuff and too complicated without a Fett movie to tell about this to be true, but tried to come up with theory to explain Rey's connection to the Skywalker family, Conuscant accent, and mechanical/ piloting skills.
- Jossed. She's Palpatine's granddaughter.
- Alternatively, Snoke doesn't even exist; all of his appearances have been as a hologram, but he hasn't actually appeared in the flesh, either in The Force Awakens or in Before the Awakening. Supreme Leader Snoke was a persona created by Jar Jar to appear larger, more powerful, and more sinister. When the heroes finally confront Snoke, BB-8 will pull a curtain back, thus revealing that Jar Jar was simply controlling a holographic projection of Snoke the whole time, much like The Wizard of Oz.
- Jossed. He was created by Palpatine.
- To be honest, we don't really know what Ben's last name is in the movie itself. Maybe he took on his mother (Leia)'s family name instead of his father's, and therefore would be either Ben Organa or Ben Skywalker, both of which sounded way cooler than Ben Solo. And this is more likely because for all we know, Han is just a smuggler, while Leia used to be a royalty, so Ben is more likely to have used his mother's family name instead. And no, I don't think Ben would turn to the dark side just because of his surname...I mean, how many people could have a last name as cool as 'Solo'? Even if it looks ridiculous in hindsight, it's...Solo!
- Jossed on both accounts. His last name is Solo and he fell because he thought Luke was trying to kill him.
- Jossed.
- Jossed. According to the EU, he became a street performer.
- Jossed. Snoke was created by Palpatine well after Plagieus' death.
Basically, this theory goes that after Ezra becomes Darth Maul's apprentice as seen in the recent Rebels Trailer, Maul, Ezra, and later Snoke unite as an opposing force to the Empire out of a unitified hatred for Palpatine and Vader, forming the Knights of Ren, likely named after an ancient Sith Lord. Clues to this could include:
- Benicio himself looks like an Older Ezra. Ezra would be approximately 53 years old around FA, while Del Toro is 48, so this could be very plausible.
- At least according to his wookiepedia entry, Ezra was born nineteen years before the Battle of Yavin, which would make him the same age as Luke. Benicio del Toro is fifteen or sixteen years younger than Mark Hamill.
- Ezra has been proven capable of using ancient Sith Mechanisms, not usually possible for a Jedi.
- He has a Sith Holocron
- Ezra is seen wielding a stable Crossguard Saber. It's stated that Ren's Saber is an ancient design, but what if he got said Idea from someone else's knowledge of said design?
- Every Force Wielder around him, be it Kanan, the Sentinels, Ahsoka, or Maul can sense his affinity for the Dark. And like Kylo, can wield both sides effectively.
- The Dark Side Calls to Ezra, similar to the way the light calls to Kylo.
- Jossed. His character is named DJ.
- Jossed. Snoke was created by Palpatine.
- 1: The Resistance forges an unholy alliance with one of the more reasonable Imperial successor states.
- 2: Following the destruction of the Republic's primary fleet (and heavy losses to the First Order in the period between Episodes VII and VIII), the Republic (or Resistance) is scrambling to replace those ships. So they buy a few used Star Destroyers from somewhere.
- Jossed.
- We're told that there are other such people (as Luke was training future Jedi prior to Ben Solo going rogue), so it's possible that Rey is one who got missed, possibly due to not having awakened to her abilities at the time.
- Jossed. She's Palpatine's granddaughter.
- From the wiki: "... connections were known to occur when one was made to open to the Force, or imbued by a powerful wielder of the Force." Rey first becomes aware of her powers after Kylo tries to Mind Probe her; that's because his presence unknowingly awoke them in her, likely out of a need for a Psychic Block Defense. And given how they were pulling up each other’s fears and insecurities, they had to be digging pretty deeply into the other’s mind—deep enough for two untrained/incompletely trained Force-users to get “stuck” there, so to speak. Not to mention, a Force Bond would explain several things:
- How she learns to use the Force so quickly. People who were Force-bonded could pull knowledge and techniques from each other.
- How he finds her so fast in the snowy forest. Force Bonds don’t tell you where someone specifically is—which is why he couldn’t find her in the base—but they do tell you their general area, like how he knows Han is on Starkiller, but not where. A Force Bond would give him enough of a hint as to the direction Rey was travelling and head her off.
- Kylo telling her not to be afraid because "I feel it too", and the general ease with which they read each other’s minds. A Force Bond allowed people to sense each other's emotions, like he was doing there, and mentally communicate, which would make finding the other’s deepest fears and insecurities much easier.
- During the scene itself, the script notes, at one point, that they both recognize “a strange, unspoken energy” pass between them. The moment a Force Bond was made was pretty much instantaneously felt—that could have been when it happened.
- Pablo Hidalgo teases at the idea of Rey picking up the Jedi Mind Trick from Kylo, which further adds credibility to the theory.
- The risk of something like this happening may be why Kylo is the only Force-user yet shown (in the currently canonical material) to use such an highly intense and connecting way of drawing out information using the Force — the closest other example was Vader's 'especially for... your sister' sensing in Return of the Jedi, which done to someone he already had an added connection of sorts to, and was more surface-thought-level especially since he was using his words to guide Luke's thoughts in the right directions rather than just ripping out the information he wants. Actually trained Jedi and Sith in the days of the Republic would have known about Force bonds and how they can be forged and hence have been more careful even if they lacked moral qualms... but the Sith Order ended on the second Death Star and Luke's training as a Jedi was abbreviated, so there likely has been a lot of 'sure, you can do that — but here's the costs and dangers that might not be immediately obvious' Force technique knowledge lost (Snoke might know more, but from his own statements he hasn't exactly been teaching Kylo all he knows).
- According to the sequels, they do have a connection called a dyad.
- Jossed. She's Palpatine's granddaughter.
- He's building a CLONE Jedi army in secret!
- Jossed. He believes that the Jedi should end.
- Jossed. She dies without killing anyone.
- (Not original person) I saw a similar theory that Rey/Anakin are basically Avatars: They're created by the Force to bring balance (ignore what Palpatine hinted about Darth Plageus manipulating life, he was probably lying or was lied to himself), therefore Rey and Anakin are "siblings" and she's technically a Skywalker.
- Jossed. She's Palpatine's granddaughter.
- Alternately she's a tiny alien piloting a 6'3" robot body.
- Jossed. Her face is shown to be human behind her mask.
- The Resistance took away his number and gave him a name. He will never betray them.
- Unless he has been made a dormant agent by, let's say, the Knights of Ren, or Snoke himself, conditionned to defect under certain conditions, only to be reactivated later, once he has successfully integrated the Resistance troops through actions that will convince everyone he has definitely switched sides.
- Unlikely , if they had such abilities there would be no need for re-education. They could simply rewrite a person to fit their needs and wants. Also certain conditions would apply for something useful. Such as when Finn wanders around the Resistance base without an armed guard and could take out the leadership on a suicide run. Or when the programming could have kicked in just as Finn was about to take major action that would deprive the First Order of their main weapon of terror. Those are useful conditions for pre-programming to kick in. Times when a strike would end the resistance or prevent a Stromtrooper from helping destroy the First Orders prize gun. Practical triggers for programming to kick in. Seeing that it doesn't kick in when the First Order could use it the most, then logically there is none there to kick in. Also if there was a phrase or such then higher ups like Plasma and Kylo Ren would have used key words against him . They didn't because there is none there.
- Jossed. He stays with the Resistance.
- Jossed. He turned to the Dark Side because he thought Luke was trying to kill him.
- This makes perfect sense based on what little (very, very little) is revealed of the Force and training to use it in the movies. Training seems to be a matter of improving focus, control, complexity and stamina in order for the user to call on the Force more quickly and powerfully, with greater skill and precision, and for longer. The only Force Abilities explicitly stated to be complex are Force Lightning, blocking Force Lightning, and becoming a Force Ghost. Everything else is undiscussed but the basic abilities aren't treated as difficult.
- Indeed. In the original trilogy, Luke was able to use the Force to make an otherwise impossible shot on the Death Star's exhaust port after maybe three minutes of training with Obi-Wan on the Millennium Falcon, and then, with no more training, he was able, when he was trapped in the Wampa cave on Hoth, to use Force telekinesis to pull his lightsaber into his hand, despite having never seen the Force used for telekinesis before, or even having been told it could be used for that purpose. And again, that was after maybe three minutes of training with Obi-Wan. Rey was doing things that she knew could be done.
- I just realized that the very idea that the Force is something that is basically easy to use, but has a vastly higher skill ceiling, gives a lot of nuance to the characterization of the other Force users by creating parallels to ideas and personalities in real world academia:
- The Old Republic Jedi are academic establishment, they are dedicated to honing Force skill as much as possible, but do so through a series of self-generated rules that are often arcane and even arbitrary that they feel is necessary to be using the Force 'correctly'.
- The Sith (and whatever Snoke is, if not a Sith) are all about real world applicability. It doesn't matter how technically artful something is if it doesn't have an immediate benefit to you.
- Obi Wan Kenobi is the hyper-dedicated student when he is first met, he is so devoted to learning the academic way that he has a tendency of quoting the rules back to his teachers and like many with that mindset and dedication, he is promoted to teachers early, and proves a good teacher of skills, but has trouble relating to his, not all that much younger, students.
- Anakin is the prodigy, so naturally talented that he feels constrained by the rules of Academia and because of the natural talent, combined with a dislike of being told what to do, and a voice in his ear (Palpatine) telling him he doesn't need to, he tends not to work as hard as he should, usually the natural talent makes up for it, but he also makes mistakes that cost him sometimes.
- Luke is a natural talent, but one who is already a young adult when he is made aware of it, and in the absence of any information on the Force, he doesn't know what it is capable of, so while initially amazed, a lack of teacher, and too many other things to do, leads to him neglecting his studies for a while and becomming close minded to those abilities. Then, after his wake-up call he actually applies himself and studies hard, which is why he improves so drastically in the 6 months from Empire to Jedi.
- Kylo Ren is a perfect example of what would happen if an overindulgent parent (Snoke) allowed their child to just leave school at 15 years old. The talent is there, but it seems pretty clear that in the absence of someone making him practice his skills, he probably only trains when he feels like it, and even then only in the 'cool' abilities. Hence his impressive Force Stasis and Mind Reading abilities, and being a decent fighter, but having very little control or precision in other areas.
- Finally, Rey is somewhat similar to Luke in that she isn't made aware of her talent until young adulthood, but she has at least heard of the Force and what it can do. She is also backed into a corner and forced to rely on the Force in a way that Luke never really was, hence bringing her to use her talent and become more effective more quickly than Luke did.
- Don't forget that there are Real Life examples (i.e Mozart) of people who were even more crazily talented than most talented people at a particular thing. Rey might just be the Mozart of the Star Wars Universe. Even then, extreme stress and danger has been shown to be a catalyst when it comes to discovering/instinctively using the force and Rey was certainly in a huge amount of danger...
- Jossed. She's Palpatine's granddaughter.
- Jossed. She's only descended from Palpatine.
- Confirmed.
- Jossed. He dies giving up his life force to save her.
Though it has been stated that Leia has no Jedi or force training, I believe that to be a lie. Here are my reasons behind this assumption.
- Leia is a very practical woman, and therefore would find being trained as a Jedi beneficial to herself, her family, and the resistance.
- Leia doesn't strike me as a neglectful parent. She might have joined Luke's academy around the same time Ben did so he wouldn't feel lonely or abandoned. However, she did eventually have to drop out because her business involving the resistance became all-consuming.
- As recently shown in the Star Wars comic, Leia has effectively used a Lightsaber in combat.
- She also stated in said issue that she always wanted to wield a Lightsaber. So she clearly wanted to learn at that time. Learning she was Luke's sister and a Skywalker would only increase that willingness for her.
In my opinon, Leia is at least at her son's level Force power and Saber Dualist-wise, if not better as she may have continued training by herself. In episode 8 I believe we will see Leia display her Jedi skills in battle, maybe against Kylo, Snoke, or Benecio's character?
- When was it stated that she is not trained? That being said, Leia was always more diplomat and strategist than soldier. I realize that the concepts of Jedi Guardians, Sentinels, and Consulars were really only invented for Knights of the Old Republic, but Leia seems like she would fit more into the Consular role, to Luke's Guardian.
- Confirmed.
- Given the time-gap, great-niece seems more likely.
- Jossed. He is hiding out of guilt for contemplating killing Ben.
Because what sort of a name is Snoke anyway? Really, it sounds a bit like a name a four year old would give his imaginary friend...... except that 'imaginary' isn't quite the right word. Perhaps being born with too much power in him meant that young Ben's brain has always been a bit dysfunctional and he 'heard voices' all his life. Because it's the sort of thing children do, instead of knowing it was a hallucination he gave the most dominant one a name and a personality, and eventually he started seeing Snoke, too. Now for anyone else it would eventually have lead him to be diagnosed as suffering from a psychotic disorder- only because Ben is Strong with the Force his telepathy means that by the time he was grown, his hallucinations were projected into other people's brains and now they see more or less what he's seeing. Leia used to be able to 'overhear' Snoke telepathically but has still never realised that her son was creating him himself.
- Jossed.
It's pretty obvious that Kylo Ren is important to Snoke for as long as he's useful, but if someone better comes along (after all by the end of The Force Awakens Ren is falling apart physically as well as mentally and was never very stable to start with)... only this time it's not a younger guy but a young woman... and the Force seems to be genetic, so why not try to affect her capture and... well in this rating it would probably still be 'marriage', to see what sort of powerful offspring they could create? (Obviously Rey would be spectacularly unimpressed with this idea, seeing as on his very best behaviour Ren is still a solipsistic Psychopathic Manchild with signs of an ambiguous disorder. Kylo's possible Villainous Crush might mean he's happy to go along with it, but when it comes to the Supreme Leader he does as he's told anyway.) It probably wouldn't happen but it might well be seriously attempted.
- Josssed. He wanted Kylo to kill Rey.
- Jossed. She's Palpatine's granddaughter.
- Jossed.
- What Wham Line could there possibly be that would be meaningful to a mainstream audience? The only female candidate- either in this trilogy or the original- would be way too much squick to ever consider.
- The big reveal about Rey's mother doesn't necessarily need to happen in the same film as the revelation about her father. Maybe she'll be introduced in Episode VIII, but the truth won't be revealed until Episode IX. And maybe it won't necessarily be about the woman herself, but about who her parents are.
- It would be pretty hard for Luke's supposed babymmama to be a surprise to anyone after that, seeing as any middle-aged human woman who got introduced at this stage would be assumed to be her.
- The twist will probably lie in who she is beyond just being Rey's mother/Luke's wife.
- What Wham Line could there possibly be that would be meaningful to a mainstream audience? The only female candidate- either in this trilogy or the original- would be way too much squick to ever consider.
- Jossed. She's Palpatine's granddaughter.
- Jossed. He went to the temple out of shame for contemplating killing Ben.
Fortunately for the clone, Palpatine died before he could either take Cosinga over, perfect the cloning or find another means of escaping death. Unfortunately the First Order was interested in this secret, and wanted in on him. He ran away, found a wife and started a family. But because the First Order was still on his tail, Cosinga had to leave Rey on Jakku and never come back; a potential heir to the Empire would cause havoc. Even if he used surgery to alter his appearance, they'd undoubtedly since his power to be just like that of the late Emperor(being his clone and all, and in case Ian Mc Diamard can't return). Through all this, Rey is the granddaughter/genetic daughter of the late Emperor.
Cosinga and Rey would both be direct counters of the Villainous Lineage trope that continues to causing suffering across the galaxy, and a reversal on Kylo Ren (the villain descended from the light, the hero descended from the dark.) If Snoke is Plagueis, it'd give him even more of a beef with Rey as her grandfather tried to/did kill him. Finally, it'd tie Palpatine into the Sequel Trilogy, but in a massive sense of irony he's responsible for the hero.
And yes, this would be one huge, over-elaborate Discontinuity Nod to the events of "Dark Empire."
- Confirmed.
Supposing that this little girl was left with Luke- either because she was actually part of the family or was from a totally different family but was already showing unprecedented power... it was bound to get some kind of reaction out of Luke's mercurial, prodigious nephew. Perhaps he was bitterly jealous at being displaced as the school prodigy and expressed it in a way we could probably guess... unless it wasn't like that and he treated her- maybe the only girl and the youngest by a long way- as his own protege (she might be his sister or cousin after all)- though to the point that it looked like suspicious over-compensation.
Perhaps when the little girl went missing neither Luke nor Ben knew exactly what had happened. And perhaps Luke suspected the worst of Ben, and stuck to the story to the point that Ben got the idea that Luke was deliberately framing him- especially when it was Luke his parents believed (or at least his mother believed that Ben was lying and trying to cover up an accident he'd caused.) It would explain Luke's manner when Rey arrives at the island if all this chaos and destruction started with the presumed murder of a little girl fifteen years ago who it turns out isn't dead after all.
It would give an opening for Snoke and the Dark Side if Ben could believe that Luke had turned against him first. (In the words of [[Disney/Tangled Mother Gothel]] "You want me to be the bad guy? Fine, now I'm the bad guy...")
- Jossed. His grudge is that he thought Luke tried to kill him.
- Jossed.
- While Kylo Ren's interactions with Rey are more blatant and memorable, he actually pays a lot of attention to Finn. Right from the beginning, he glances toward him, and right after the breakout Kylo immediately realizes Finn's the one who broke Poe out, even knowing his designation. Even at the end when he's on the catwalk and looks up at Finn and Rey who stare on in horror, it zooms in as if to follow Kylo's gaze, but it's Finn that it zooms in on. The obvious explanation is force sensitivity, but if Kylo and Finn are cousins, it could explain why he'd subconsciously watch some random stormtrooper even when he's not his target (not to mention a symbolic mirror in them both being traitors to the sides they were raised on).
- Meta pertaining to reality, but when the OT came out, mixed race relationships were not well viewed, something Lucas would know, regardless of whether he agreed. A different, less accepting time where a non-white or mixed race (which was arguably considered worse for...reasons) character wouldn't make a main, thus the all-white protagonists. Having a main character be of such a background could be a deliberate Take That! towards that time by him in this more accepting time. Possibly, I don't know Lucas' views on the matter. Back to actual in-story evidence, there's the amount of time emphasized that Finn is somehow relevant to Kylo Ren for all the reasons the troper above me pointed out. Furthermore, Finn has to be at least somewhat Force-sensitive. Why? Because he could stand up to Kylo Ren at all. Yes, Kylo was injured, but still, not a poorly trained fighter. Regarding another WMG that Rey was an Instant Expert because she was unconsciously drawing on the dark side, perhaps Finn is actively shying away from the Dark Side, given that he felt it everyday in Kylo's presence. Not too mention, it's Finn's first battle and he's part of The Dragon's Praetorian Guard? Hmmm... . Also note that, as of VII, Kylo isn't a Complete Monster, more Anti-Villain. His yelling "Traitor" at Finn every time they meet practically would be made all the more potent if Kylo knew perfectly well that Finn was his cousin (via the Force like Luke and Leia 'just knew' given Finn would probably be Luke's illegitimate child) and was using his position to protect Finn, seeing Finn's defection as a personal rejection.
- Jossed.
- Jossed. He was created by Palpatine.
- A Jedi might have been away on a mission rather than at the school that Kylo Ren attacked.
- The Knights of Ren don't seem to be a very large group and only one wields a lightsaber.
- Jossed. He was created by Palpatine.
- Jossed.
- There were exactly two people who Snoke wanted to make absolutely sure would survive the destruction of Starkiller Base. His apprentice Kylo Ren, and General Hux. This guy is clearly very important to the First Order.
- Jossed. He doesn't have any powers.
- Jossed. It's Ilum.
- And his self-imposed exile is because he was afraid of how much he liked it.
- Jossed. He doesn't seem to have confronted the other Knights of Ren.
- Han's not quite 70. He's supposedly in his late 20s-ish when he first appears in Episode IV, at least according to the novelization, which mentions that he could not have been more than ten years older than Luke when they first met. Luke's 19 according to all source materials, which would have made Han 29 at the very most. Given the four years that pass across the original trilogy, and assuming that the postulated 30-year time skip between Episodes IV and VII is accurate, that would put Han in his mid-sixties at oldest, while Luke and Leia would be in about 53-ish. Their much older appearances can be both explained out of universe by the actors being several years to a decade older than their characters, and in-universe by the high amount of stress each had been under in the past several years.
- Jossed.
- Jossed. She's Palpatine's granddaughter.
- Jossed. The planet is Ahch-To.
- Jossed. He was created by Palpatine.
- The Death Star's main laser was powered by Kyber crystals - the same crystals that Jedi (and Sith, for that matter) use to make their lightsabers. It would explain a lot if developing both Death Stars and the weapon on Starkiller Base (which was basically a Death Star laser turned up to eleven) caused a galaxywide shortage of Kyber crystals. For example, the Kyber crystal Kylo Ren used to make his lightsaber was cracked, causing its unstable appearance. That wasn't because Ren was particularly incompetent; that was because the crystal he found, though imperfect, was the only one he could locate. That would also explain why Anakin's lightsaber was kept under such close protection; not so much because it was Anakin's - as some have pointed out, its past is as checkered as that of its ownernote . It was because it was just damned hard to find and make lightsabers due to the FO having control of any Kyber crystal mines that existed.
- In this zine, Finn is explicitly referred to as a prince. His origin planet (Artorias) also happens to have a kingship. Not to mention, Finn being a prince will help to mirror the original trio with Finn as Leia, Rey as Luke, and Poe as Han. As a bonus, Finn's trooper number (2187) is the same as the cell Princess Leia is being kept in in A New Hope, which could be subtle foreshadowing.
- Jossed, at least as far as the films are concerned.
- It's implied through dialogue toward the end of the film that Ren bailed on his training with Snoke before it was finished, similarly to how he'd turned his back on Luke and the Jedi years earlier before he was able to complete his training with them. Perhaps after some time with Snoke, he started feeling the call of the light and, in an attempt to redeem himself, destroyed the rest of the Knights of Ren. (That might explain why nobody else from this Oddly Small Organization pops up in Episode VII, despite the group being name-dropped a few times.) Except that the taking of life is typically associated with the Dark Side, which, along with his previous betrayal (and no doubt Snoke's influence), made Ren feel like he was irredeemable. So, feeling too guilty to return home, decided there wasn't any other place for him to go but the First Order.
- Jossed. He was created by Palpatine.
- Kylo Ren's arc will parallel his grandfather's in that he will kill his Dark Side teacher, but in so doing will fall further to the Dark Side rather than redeem himself and become the main villain of the New Trilogy. The novelization of The Force Awakens hints that killing his father did not have the effect Ren intended and when he is beaten by Rey, Snoke makes it clear he intends to finish training him. As a teacher, Snoke is far more kind than Palpatine was to Vader and more caring of his pupil; its possible that he will sacrifice his own life to strengthen Ren's resolve and turn him into the Dark Side warrior Vader never was. The fact that Snoke's actual appearance wasn't even decided on before The Force Awakens was almost completed possibly supports the idea that as a character he isn't completely essential to the endgame of the story.
- Confirmed.
- Jossed. He's pretty monstrous.
- Jossed. Starkiller Base was Ilum.
As supporting evidence, this troper got injured in the same area by overexerting the involved muscles and then stumbling while running scared (It's a Long Story). The muscles cramped and twitched, hindering this troper's balance from both the pain and the uncontrolled movement. Pounding the cramped muscles provided temporary relief that lasted roughly as long as the intervals between Kylo Ren's self-punching sessions. More effective relief was only possible once this troper reached safety and could sit down to properly massage the abused muscles.
- Jossed.