The fight against Vithaldus Taka
- Okay, when Lucy and Juvia fights against Vithaldus Taka of Trinity Raven in the Tower of Heaven, he uses his guitar magic to turn Juvia into a "Succubus". When Lucy asks him why he didn't turn her into one too, he replies that it's because he wants to see them have a catfight. Lucy of course was very reluctant about this. So I wonder, if he turned Lucy into a Succubus, wouldn't she enjoy the fight more? This way he could be the spectator of a much more passionate catfight. And in all circumstances, as a Succubus is like a slave, he would have nobody opposing him. The fact that Lucy stayed normal was the only reason that they actually defeated him.
- It's possible that he could only turn one person into a "Succubus" at a time, and said that to distract Lucy from that fact. It's also possible that he wouldn't find a catfight as amusing without one of them being genuinely reluctant and out of his control—breaking her without the magic. Some people are douches like that.
Laxus being a Dragon Slayer.
- It doesn't align with any of the others, seeing as his age has been confirmed and we know he has family. Not only that, but the other Dragon Slayers are according to the Law Barrier over 80 years old, whereas Luxus is in his 20's.
- We've seen only seen two other Dragon Slayers. Too early to assume an orphan only policy. Also Natsu and Gazille were confused as to why they couldn't go through the barrier. I'd assume they know how old they are, so there was probably an undisclosed condition.
- There is also the fact that Dragon Slayer is a type of magic that can be learned by anyone. The father of Luxus might be the one to have taught it to him. Nothing says that you have to learn Dragon Slayer magic from a dragon.
- Turns out it's not Dragon Slayer magic, simply only similar; being apparently frail as a child, Luxus had a lacrima-thingamabobber implanted in him and gave him immense power. Now his daddy wants to steal it.
Laxus in the latest chapters.
- Not the fact that he's a Dragon Slayer, but the way he's handled as a villain. Chapters of showing how he's willing to kill everyone, making friends fight friends and trapping them in a diabolical death magic...and then it turns out that no, he's not serious about it, and secretly doesn't want to hurt them. That's enough of a wall-banger on it's own, but then he's cool with trying to kill Natsu again. The hell?
- It's the for the whole True Companions thing that's
shoved down our throats at every available moment with the subtlety of a brick presented to us as a open and positive thing that transcends all boundaries and motivations.
- Actually, while the bit about true companions is indeed correct, the issue in question has to do with that Fairy Law spell he uses. It's specifically designed as an attack that only works on those that you deem an enemy, and since for some reason deep down he still thought of them as true companions, it didn't take effect. This does not change the fact that he was still willing to kill and harm them, but note that you don't necessarily have to be fully willing to do something to actually go through with it (hence why people harbor regrets and such). Basically the spell not working was a kind of wake up call that Natsu was right all along, which he didn't take well. Least that's how I interpreted it, and certainly makes sense in theory.
- I saw it as Laxus wanting desperately to be his own person, since he saw himself as always being in his grandfather's shadow, and simply allowing those negative feelings to build up way too far. He knew what he was doing was wrong, but the frustration that had built up over the years was just far too great for him to resist.
- Compounding that was the fact that Fairy Tail was almost destroyed by Phantom Lord and was now a target of mockery. Laxus does love the guild in his own twisted way. In his eyes if the current members and Master cannot protect the image of Fairy Tail, then he would start from scratch and build a Fairy Tail that commands respect.
Why does Aquarius get to abuse Lucy with no consequences?
- We saw that when a celestial spirit unknowingly and accidentally contributed to the death of his contracted wizard he was banned from returning to the spirit realm, essentially a form of execution. Yet Aquarius willfully and deliberately catches Lucy in her attacks, going so far to attack her instead of the enemy target, the enemy getting caught of in it anyway (Lucy exploits this). She's even abandoned her wizard in the middle of a fight. She threatens Lucy and spanked her, meaning she's struck Lucy with an intent to harm for it. Yet she seems to face absolutely no consequences. And let's face it, if Lucy wasn't Madeof Iron, Aquarius would have killed her by now. How is this possibly okay? (and Ruleof Funny is not a good answer here)
- The Celestial Spirit do sign a contract. Maybe Lucy got tricked into signing a bad contract that lets Aquarius injure but not kill her.
- This makes sense as Lucy was probably quite young when she signed her contract with Aquarius. She may have been too overwhelmed by the mere fact of getting her dear deceased mother's celestial spirit to do any effective negotiating.
Why do Dragons teach people Dragon Slayer magic in the first place?
- Especially since it seems that Fire Dragon Slayer magic seems to meant to hunt down fire dragons, and Natsus 'father', a Fire Dragon, taught it to him.
- I doubt that Fire Dragon-Slayer magic is used to hunt down fire dragons; rather, I would think that the people that know it, use it to hunt down other types of dragons. Maybe because having other types of human followers helps out a dragon in some untold manner, or maybe dragons have been geased to prevent them from fighting one another directly, and use mortals trained in powerful anti-dragon magics attack draconic enemies.
- Except that Natsu would be all but immune to a fire dragons main attack, its fire breath. And considering that he can actually absorb fire and get stronger - in all aspects it seems - he is the prefect person to hunt down and kill a fire dragon.
- Except fire dragons would, logically, also be able to absorb all of Natsu's fire attacks, rendering magic from either party useless.
- Lampshaded in Chapter 1, actually. Lucy remarks on how odd it is that a dragon would choose to teach a human how to kill dragons, so Dragon Slayer/Interception magic was probably never intended for a human to learn. Further supported by the fact that almost all mages are surprised that Natsu can use it. If other mages didn't know it was possible, it must be an extremely uncommon thing.
- It's an ancient (and assumed mostly dead) magic, so many mages probably either aren't aware of its existence or believe it's something forbidden. Urtear uses another ancient magic (the manipulation of time), which was also assumed to be extinct, and maybe forbidden. I think, essentially, the idea of all these arguments is that Mashima really needs to explain the Dragon Slayers.
- As I saw it, Dragon Slayer magic wasn't specifically invented for slaying dragons - it was an extremely powerful brand of magic that could kill dragons, and hence got the name because of that. So it wasn't really Igneel purposefully handing Natsu to key to his own demise. Until we get the full story, though, who knows.
- Also, as shown in later chapters (and somewhat in the early ones too), Dragon Slayer magic seems to give the mages Dragon-like powers, so perhaps this will ultimately transform such mages into dragons in the future? Also, I could make a bet with ya that the reason why the dragons disappeared is that 'cus they live on as the Dragon Slayers' magic, guardian spirits or something like that. Seriously, does it really seem to be so different from this?
- The same question was asked on some forum that I saw, and someone came up with the idea that dragon slayers are actually dragons (or at least not human). The part where Natsu and Gajeel can't pass through the barrier might support this.
- Am I the only one who sees a modicum of sense in only teaching magic that is, if it not deliberately designed to kill you, at least VERY good at it to people who have been specifically vetted to like dragons a lot?
- I imagine that the original dragon slayers learned their magic themselves by imitating dragons rather than being taught by them. As for why 3 immensely powerful dragons have decided to adopt random kids and teach them magic normally used to kill dragons, it probably has something to do with Zeref and all the dragons dissappearing. The chapter where we saw Igneel has him saying something about how they have to trust the humans.
- Dragon Slayer magic is taught to children raised by dragons. By doing that they insure the Dragon Slayers look at dragons as people and not vicious monsters. If they come across a truly evil dragon they destroy it.
- Maybe the dragons just wanted their (adopted) children to know magic and thought them the only one they know. Dragon Slayer magic is supposed to imitate dragons so it kinda makes sense.
- Rogue and Sting, the new Dragon Slayers from the Tournament Arc, killed the dragon who taught them Dragon Slayer magic. They're also Third Generation Dragon Slayers, meaning they were taught by actual dragons and have Slayer Lachrima in their bodies, so that might have something to do with them being able to do that in the first place.
- According to Zirconis, the first Dragon Slayers were taught because the dragons who thought humans were people were losing their war against the dragons who thought humans were just talkative food, simultaneously making a pretty big point and changing the balance of power. Though that doesn't explain the five more recent examples.
Maybe I'm using Pokemon logic too much here, but Dragon Slayer magic is said to change the user's body constitution to that of a dragon when used. As the name implies, it's also said to be super effective against Dragons. So shouldn't using Dragon Slayer magic against another Dragon Slayer fuck them up more than normal magic would?
- It does. Every time you see Dragon Slayers fight, they cause massively more damage to each other than compared to when they fight other kinds of mages. Take a look at the Natsu-Gajeel fight and compare it to pretty much any other fight Natsu gets into.
What about Igneel?
- When we first met Natsu, he was wandering around, trying to find Igneel. Now, not only does he never go looking for him, he doesn't even talk about it. Does he just not care anymore, or were things just THAT boring before Lucy showed up?
- Lucy is a hot piece of tail, besides I think this is one of those things where he is looking for him, while not fighting, i.e. off-panel. Or he is hoping to gather information while out on missions.
- He needs to leads to follow. When we first saw him, Natsu was on a lead about a Salamander that didn't match his description. Presumably, he just hasn't heard anything about other Salamanders or Dragons since then.
- Doesn't he bring it up when he fought Gazille? He still looking for Igneel. He just doesn't have a clue where to look.
- He questioned Wendy about Grandine's disappearance too.
- First thing he does when he sees Acnologica is scream at it to tell him where Igneel is.
- What bugs me is that Bixlow mentions during his fight with Lucy and her stellar spirit Loki that all the members of the Raijinshuu have a secondary ability with their eyes, though Evergreen uses hers as a primary. So, what was Fried's eye ability? And does Evergreen have a secondary ability, or are her petrification gaze her only ability?
- Evergreen had that exploding dust/needle thing. Fried's eye changed color whenever he used Yami no Ecriture (Dark Script)—his power that made it so if he wrote something on someone (like pain, death, demon, etc) it became true—so I guess that's what his eye power was supposed to be.
- Orrrr...maybe it just hasn't been shown yet!
Slayer Lachryma in general piss me off.
- If the Lachryma are supposed to be solid spells, and according to Cobra humans shouldn't be able to normally learn Dragon Slayer, how are they made in the first place? Not only that, but they cheapen the Dragon Slayer's awesomeness. It's like how everybody and their mother have a Sharingan in Naruto
- Slayer Lachryma is just a cheap knockoff of real Dragon Slayer magic (which Cobra claimed humans couldn't learn because he thought Dragons were extinct). And since both Luxus and Cobra ultimately lost to real Dragon Slayers the existence of Dragon Lachryma doesn't cheapen the Dragon Slayer magic at all. Kind of like how the existence of saccharine and Equal doesn't cheapen the awesomeness that is real sugar.
- Except it took two real dragon slayers to beat Luxus (and "beat" is hardly the right word since their injuries were worse than his), and Cobra ultimately won that battle (Natsu was completely paralyzed by venom which was going to be fatal even if left alone; even if it took Cobra two days before he felt well enough to sit up, Natsu was gonna die and he wasn't), though only barely and he had help from the giant "snake" he was riding while Natsu only used Happy as a pair of wings. Luxus is the most powerful dragon slayer by a wide margin, the rest seem to be about even. Though it's possible they just shoved too much Lachryma into him.
- I don't think Laxus or Cobra being stronger than Natsu was them having stronger Dragon Slayer power, I think it's just because they're stronger mages (more talented, more experienced, etc.). Also, it seems being an artificial Dragon Slayers only gives you any power when using Dragon Force, and judging from Natsu it seems a real Slayers version is much stronger.
- Cobra "beat" Natsu only because he had his snake around to boost his powers at will. And in the manga, he puts up a less awesome fight. Laxus, on the other hand, is just more experienced, well-trained, and older. It's an adult Dragon Slayer beating up two runts, even if he's only an artificial Dragon Slayer.
- I think it's also important to note here that the raw magic level in Laxus' body is ludicrously high compared to most people. Even if Natsu's potential power is higher, as of right now Laxus has probably the third highest amount of raw power in Fairy Tail(without doing something insane like eating Etherion), after Makarov and Gildarts fourth highest if you count Jellal now that he is fighting with Fairy Tail as Mystogan.
- The wiki explains it as being that the so-called “New Generation” Dragon Slayers automatically activate Dragon Force when they activate their Dragon Slayer powers. Which makes the lachryma-implanting sound just all the more unnatural, to be honest. They can’t use the basic powers without shooting straight up there and, presumably, using a crapload of their magic in the process.
Brain shooting Cobra in the shoulder after he basically won his fight against Natsu, I mean, what the hell!? There's clinging to the ball, and there's simply going out of your way to not make sense.
- I think it was supposed to be similar to how the chick Lucy defeated got up, it wasn't going to last long (Given both the fall and the super hearing overload), and that Blaine didn't have one of the lines disappear after he shot him seems to support that. But yeah, that's a stretch no matter how you look at it.
- From a villainous point of view, it makes sense. Cobra's severe injuries had screwed him over completely (injuries from the fall and possible brain damage due to the overload). Even if he did finish off Natsu he would have been useless to Brain afterwards. Brain probably killed Cobra both to punish him for failure and to save Natsu. Brain was impressed by Natsu's power and wanted to use Nirvana to turn him into a suitable replacement for Cobra.
- At least in the dub, he outright says Cobra's failure to crush Natsu proves the 2nd generation Slayers are inferior to the 1st and therefore Cobra is no longer of use to him. So yes it's likely he was going to use Nirvana to make Natsu evil and replace Cobra with him.
- Defeating Cobra released one of the seals on his Zero personality, it's probably for that same reason that he impersonated Hoteyes and ask them to defeat Midnight.
- No, "defeat Midnight" was a lie. He sent them straight into a trap he had planted before hand.
Erza's fake eye. If it works as a normal eye, does it really makes sense that it isn't affect by magic that attacks one's sight?
- We haven't really gotten the mechanics behind it to be honest, but I'm totally willing to buy that since the elderly forest woman made it, it doesn't work like a normal eye would. That it decreases the capabilities of magic that attacks sight was established before with the petrification gaze.
- Here's a question about it: how did it see through Midnight's illusion when the "illusion" was not a magically generated phantasm but an actual projection of light, just one that was made using magic. Unless the fake eye sees on some sort of different wavelength than a regular one, it should still be seeing something since the thing was made of real light. The only way I could see this working is if the eye could somehow dis spell any magic that was affecting light, but given that the thing was still there, and Erza just saw through (although what the perspective of that panel was is debatable).
- I'd again go with the assumption that the sight granted by the manufactured eye isn't the same as what's granted by a regular eye. We really haven't been given enough information to understand what is really going on with it, nor how exactly what's her name's petrification works either. So long as whatever the hell it does STAYS limited to magic that operates based on sight in some manner, I really can't see it getting too bad though.
- Maybe she did see the illusion but it was semi-transparent to her. Her magic eye and her real one don't work the same so maybe she just saw the difference between the illusion light and the real light.
- It seems that we are all assuming that it works just like a regular eye, but if it is a magical replacement instead of just a regrown organ, than why would it. It makes sense that mages would bypass the medical knowledge needed to make an exact eye replacement in favor of just putting a realistic glass eye that works like a crystal ball. Erza's eye would be something like that, instead of seeing using light and photoreceptors it has some magical sense that is interpreted as images when it get to her brain. Reguardless it is heavily implied that it works differently than a real eye, enough that midnight's illusion might not work.
- It's also possible that Porlyusica, due to her hatred of humanity, just added extra protection to Erza's new eye so that she didn't come back.
I'm new to the manga (currently at vol.8), but what the hell is up with this gratuitous amount of Fanservice
- Once in a while is okay, since I'm a guy too, but seriously, almost once in every 5 pages or so is no. The worst offender got to be Erza. Her armors' designs are plain damn ridiculous.
- Because Mr. Mashima really likes drawing fanservice.
- Actually, Erza's normal armor is quite modest and practical. It's the magic armors—which she did not design, by the way—which are fanservice-y.
Love the series, love the art, love the characters, but the one thing that always confuses me is that if Fairy Tail members are prone to destroying private property and generally reeking havoc while doing their jobs, why do they still get so many requests? Sure they're powerful, but there're other guilds...
- Recall most of the requests they actually get. Erase a book owned by a scumbag rich guy, crush one of the three main dark guilds in that alliance, destroy the freaking Moon. Sometimes people don't just want the job done, sometimes they want it done so well that it also happens to be done to anything also in the remote vicinity.
- There're still other jobs that I wouldn't really trust Fairy Tail members with. One job once was to teach a bunch of little kids magic...do you really want a Fairy Tail member to corrupt your young?
- The Galuna Island job wasn't for Fairy Tail specifically. It went to every guild in the country. They probably get a good number of requests that way. And a job like teaching little kids sounds like a local thing. Fairy Tail is the only guild in Magnolia, and the townspeople seem to turn an eye on their destructive tendencies. I could see them not thinking much about it.
- The townspeople don't just turn a blind eye to the destruction caused by Fairy Tail, but seem to see them as some kind of well-loved celebrities.
- And remember that the majority of property damage that Fairy Tail is blamed for is apparently mostly caused by Natsu.
- Another point to consider is that while they do have a reputation they are also highly principled. You want to be certain the mages who come to help have good, honest intentions and will try their best? Fairy Tail.
When Natsu was attacking the Phantom's Base On Legs
why did his motion sickness only kick in when it turned out to be a Transforming Mecha
; how is one any more of a vehicle than the other? More importantly, why did it effect him at all
when both forms were pretty much completely stationary when he was in them?
- Honestly, I think his motion sickness is as much mental as physical. Remember, it only affects him when it involves vehicles, not all forms of non-walking motion. He gets sick on a train, but once it stops or should he be carried by a friend (like Happy), he is instantly better, without any residual symptoms from his motion sickness.
- I remember from one of the first volumes, of Lucy being called a "transportation device". And also, as the end of a chain of traveling in things (It said "Train+Carriage+Lucy=Death Blow" or something of the like).
- The base is stationary until it starts transforming, and then mostly stationary again to cast Abyss Break. His motion sickness kicks in when there's stuff moving everywhere to transform the mecha.
I understand why Natsu can't eat his own fire (or rather that this wouldn't do him any good) as it's like trying to breath recycled air, but why can't he eat fire that he just started with his own fire? There would be more heat that he put in from whatever burning.
- Same thing, still his fire.
- My theory is that just like how a Dragon Slayer's constitution is changed to that of a dragon, the properties of the element that was eaten are changed as well, so while he can eat fire, he can't eat Dragon-Fire.
- The whole POINT of dragon-slayer magic is he can eat dragon fire, just not his own. A more logical conclusion is a fire started with magic remains magical in nature, and Natsu cant eat his own magic.
- It could be that in order to eat his own fire, he would have to make it, which would expend it. Maybe the fire expended would be equal to the fire gained, so it wouldn't help him. Like pouring water out of a bucket to fill that bucket.
- Any particular reason for this line of thought? It's not like he hasn't lost before, though granted MOST of the time it's due entirely to his motion sickness, but given this is coming right after a fight that at best he fought to a draw and would have died without outside interference, and more importantly right after he, at best, was brutally slaughtered the timing for such a statement seems a tad odd.
- If you are bothered by the good guys bringing themselves back from the brink of death and winning through sheer force of will and the faith of their comrades, you're probably reading the wrong genre.
- There are limits, even to shonen. The more you do it, the less meaningful and/or impressive it is.
- Hence why it makes less sense to bring it up with Natsu. He's experienced at least two instances he could not 'win' that were not due to his one weakness just recently, and even the number of times he has been able to do it with more powerful enemies than him (Luxus and Gerard off the top of my head, and even with Luxus Gazille's aid was critical) comes no where near the sheer number of times people like Ichigo have stupidly managed to pull that kind of crap.
- How is he Boring or Invincible if the Big Bad nearly wins every single time? He's fighting people who are way over his head. The whole eating mechanic is designed so that there's a lore-based way he can pull a victory out of his ass.
- You know I haven't seen that many fights where he won by himself, most of the time either his opponent was already tired out by someone else or he had to have someone else help him in fact he almost seems to be suffering from the Worf Effect
- I understand the OP's gripe. i too feel that Natsu just another typical Shonen protagonist. He has his special brand of super power which we think is unique at first, but turns out to be easily replicable, which isn't uncommon in shonen. He tries to solve every fight with his fists or an eleventhhoursuperpower or an Asspull. Again, typical shonen tropes. These aren't necessarily bad things, but i agree that he is extremely predictable; it is established in-universe that many people he fights that his moves are predictable, but he overcomes them not through tactics but brute force. After the Edolas arc, i found my wondering how long it would take him to be beaten to a bloody pulp and then remember the power of friendship to win. I actually found it to be an enjoyable subversion when he acknowledged Gildart's supremacy and surrendered in their fight on Fairy Island. Natsu is definitely an interesting and entertaining character. It's just when it comes to fighting, he's a tad bit cliche.
- Me too. Honestly, I'm really getting fed up with Natsu (I used to like him a lot at the beginning). Even if it's true he doesn't really suit the Boring Invincible Hero trope, I can't help but see him as one :
- yes, he is often beaten to a pulp by the main villain, but I don't remember him actually REALLY loosing once (well, averted Thanks to Future Rogue);
- he is a typical shonen hero, so what did we expect huh ? Well, this this is exactly what is starting to pisses me of. He never changes. Never think before acting (while he already prooved he could be capable of). He didn't even seems to remember the lesson Gildartz taugh him ! And the Power of Friendship, I love it, really, but too much of something kills it. And here it does (not only because of Natsu, though).
- EVERYBODY just has to sacrifice himself so NATSU can finally give the final blow to the villains, even when they are actually way stronger than Natsu (and/or in better shape) and so more likely to beat the crap out of the bad guy
- speaking of which : what the f*** happened during the Dragonslayers fight in the GMG ? This was very hypocrite from him considering all his speeches about friendship and comradship ...
In sum, it feels like if it was ALWAYS him. While there are loads of other very interesting characters that would deserve more screentime and spotlight once in a while.
But yes, there are far worst cases than him in shonen history. At least, he is helped or/and his ass is saved almost everytime (and Mashima takes the pain to give a little of screentime and spotlight to other characters, especially in the current arc).
This is just a personnal opinion.
- Honestly, while Natsu gets several Ass Pulls, he still loses enough to be tolerable. Erza is the one you guys should be complaining about.
If Happy is (kind of dark) blue, why do the manga pages shown him as white?
- This seems to be an issue a lot of manga have, particularly so here as Gerard also has Blue Hair and is of a darker shade than Happy in the manga. Meh, best I can tell is that they simply choose what's easiest to use consistently with characters more central to the story and just roll with it. Worst case I've seen thus far is with Kishimoto's completely random choice of shadings for Red Hair and similar coloration's, with Garra and Roushi being outright white while he completely flipped it all the way around with Nagato and Karin by making it freaking black, so that for the longest time people thought their hair color actually was black until a color page of them was released.
- This happens so often in shonen manga that I've just kind of mentally blocked colored images out of my mind. No need to look at the colored anime of Fairy Tail anyway since it's kind of horrendous.
Racer...stops time? In a certain area? What?
- OK, Racer's power being slowing down movement/perception of time that everyone perceives as Super Speed is just full of Fridge Logic. First of all, is he slowing down everything but himself, everyone but himself (body and mind), or just the minds of everyone else? Either way, there are some problems with how that could work.
- It's probably more along the lines of the first one, as we have things like Natsu jumping off a cliff and such that would really make it all too obvious what his power really is, to say nothing being able to catch and ride the motorcycles. I think it's more along the lines of everything in a certain range as things like the wind and leaves falling to the ground and the like would probably give him away all too quickly. Though yeah, trying to wrap your head around it brings in all kinds of issues.
- I thought it was probably that, until I remembered Racer failed to dodge Gray's attack because it started from out of his range—but still went into his range on the way there. So what, does it only affect what objects were in range when he started using it or does it take a while for objects that enter his range to slow done after the initial activation?
- Yeah, like I said, there are all sorts of kinks to it. My assumption on that was that since the magic was formed and launched outside his range he couldn't just affect it instantly, as opposed to all Gray's other spells that formed basically at the same speed as normal to his own perception prior to that. WAY too many issues to adequately explain with the little information given.
- It's simple: Grey was not slowed down when aiming his attack, so he struck true. A bow and arrow shoots its payload far faster than a human being can dodge, by a large enough margin that a thoroughly surprised Racer was apparently unable to dodge it. Had Grey been slowed down as well, aiming and executing any such attack would take long enough for Racer to notice and dodge.
- What I don't get is how the hell he got Gerard so fast. He isn't moving any faster and even if the range had anything to do with it, the world is still outside his range. Logically he wouldn't be moving any faster with or without the power. The only argument I could find is that he used his motorcycle, but you see him zipping there and back like he ran the distance. I recall his comment upon coming back is that it slowed him down carrying it there. The other members while being still as fast as an average human, has more physical strength than he does.
- We don't know quite how far he was, but frankly the motorbike is a very reasonable answer. For zipping out, the bikes have to be stored somewhere. All he has to do is get them, go there and get Gerard, come back and get within the set distance to Blaine for his ability, and then bam, he 'zips back in' as you put it while carrying the thing. Nothing remotely out of place for that to say the least, particularly since he had like four of those bikes.
- It was never said how far it was, but it was said that it would take him an hour at least, it was also mentioned that the coffin slowed him down, we don't know that he actually got it any faster than anybody else with those motorbikes would. While Brain comments on "No man being faster" than Racer, it's possible that no one in that guild actually knew how his magic worked. I mean, if I were him I'd keep a few things secret as insurance.
- Racer's magic works to slow down the perception of time in a person's mind. He doesn't affect the actual time of anyone or anything, which is how Gray was able to beat him (he could see Racer more clearly and take careful aim in order to hit him).
- If that were true characters would do stupid things like walk into walls because they don't realize how fast they are moving, or at the very least have a very fast breathing and heart rate, because such things aren't controlled consciously.
- What the FUCK? Just what. The. Fuck? How is over a decade of Wendy's life being spent talking to an entire village that didn't actually exist treated as anything other than a Moral Event Horizon? What kind of lifelong trauma would a realization like that leave? It is quite possibly the most heinous act of deception and psychological abuse I've ever heard of, and it's not even worthy of note to the rest of the cast.
- While I see why someone could think that, there were a lot of issues going on after that whole fiasco, it's not even a day after they just fought for their lives, and really whether or not you hold such an opinion is really up to the individual. While the impact literally should be many degrees worse, the methodology behind it is really kinda similar to why parents go with the whole Tooth-Fairy-and-Santa-Clause-are-real route, which while it doesn't make things any less severe certainly shouldn't make it just as bad as the usual standards people hold for a Moral Event Horizon.
- I saw it as, yes, traumatizing, but not in an abusive way. The guild master's ghost wanted to do whatever he could for Wendy, and to that point, created illusions of all of the comrades he'd lost so she wouldn't be lonely. In the end, he sees that she has the potential to join another guild and make real friends, so he decides to be honest and tell her the truth, showing that he did it all out of love for her, but now it's time for both of them to move on. Him to rest, and her to join a real guild and begin growing up. It's entirely possible that this is how the cast saw it, which is why they weren't freaking out about it.
- There's another thing too... it's that the reveal turns all the drama build-up moot. See, 10 and more strips before building on the drama and tension of Cait Shelter being hit by the Nirvana, but if it turns out even the only person who's real to some extent is just a ghost, it wouldn't really matter, would it? It's a lot of anti-climax, when you think about...
- Well, if you think about it, the ghost was absurdly powerful. If I recall, everyone was impressed with his illusion abilities, because making sentient, self-sufficient illusions was unheard of. Not to mention just being a ghost in the first place has to be some sort of crazy magic. Then you combine that with his absolutely good nature, and Nirvana would completely warp that to something that might rival Zeref in evil-ness if not outright power. Plus if they can't stop one shot, what's stopping the bad guys from shooting more, taking advantage of the ghosts knowledge to recreate Nirvana, etc. I didn't see it as an anti-climax at all.
Gemini and Lucy
- If Gemini can command Lucy's spirits when Lucy summoned them, why can't Lucy command them when Gemini summons them? She/they only have the power to mimic her abilities, right? For that matter, why can Gemini summon her spirits at all—isn't she still holding the keys? We know well by this point that she can only summon while holding the keys (except for Loki, but Gemini doesn't summon Loki) and that there's only one of each. Does Gemini get a duplicate set of keys? If she/they handed one to Angel, would she have been able to summon Lucy's spirits herself? Would the key disappear when they turned back?
- Dunno about the first part, but Gemini does get a duplicate set of keys. They were shown holding the key for Sagitarius just before they summoned him. And seeing as Sagitarius got dismissed as soon as Gemini left Lucy's form, I'd say that these duplicates disappear when they turn back.
- Gemini can literally copy powers. They just copy Lucy’s ability to summon. It’s pretty unlikely that they can just hand this power over, since they specifically are the ones doing the copying...does that make sense?
If Natsu beat Gajeel, why is Gajeel an S-Rank mage but Natsu isn't? Yes, I know Natsu had Lucy/Sagittarius's help, but Natsu also just had another fight before this one.
- Juvia is apparently an S-Rank mage too. Thus, what about Grey?
- Gajeel is S-Rank? I don't remember that... Anyway Juvia is essentially invincible save for very select opponents, Grey being one of them. Her entire body is made of water, you can't physically damage her with anything. Grey won because firstly he could freeze her, and secondly because she fell in love with him and knocked herself unconscious. Really, it's mainly bad luck that she hasn't essentially been pwning everything since she joined, matching up with the worst possible opponents with abilities that bypass all her advantages.
- There was a color-spread of all the members of Fairy Tail that also showed which ones were S-ranked members. That's how it is known that Gaeel and Juvia are S-ranked members. Of course now with the revelation of SS-Ranks and above, S-rank may no longer be as awe-inspiring.
- Also remember that S-rank is solely a rank to show how powerful you are so much as it is 'your qualified to take on S-rank missions by yourself." Remember that initially, S-rank missions were solo missions, and then that changed, although you still need an S rank member with the group. In that case, Natsu is, for lack of a better term, far too idiotic to be S-rank yet. Remember, Gajeel is not only fairly powerful, but also quite capable of handling dangerous solo missions and generally keeping a slightly calm mindset, looking at how one of his current ongoing missions is infiltrating the dark guild that Luxus's father runs as a double agent. While Natsu is powerful, he doesn't have the leadership/judgment skills needed to be S-rank yet.
- Gajeel isn't an S-rank mage, it's confirmed now since he complained he wasn't chosen for the exam. Though we don't know whether being S-rank in one guild would automatically give you the honor if you switch to another guild. The guilds might even have different systems for all we know.
- Actually, he was an S-class mage back when he was in Phantom Lord. Same with Juvia and the rest of the Element 4. But when Gajeel and Juvia came over to Fairy Tail, that rank was taken from them, since they have yet to pass Fairy Tail's specific S-class exam. And also probably because they both started out as enemies. They had to prove themselves as being trustworthy first.
- I think it is because Phantom Lords' S-Class is really only the equivalent of Fairy Tail's A-Class. None of the Element 4 or Gajeel were as strong as Erza, much less Laxus, Mystogan, or freaking Gildarts. The fire guy was pretty week, being defeated easily by Natsu once he gets around the problem of using his flame. Sol was defeated by full body takeover Elfman pretty easily. Juvia was about equal to Gray. Aria managed to sneak attack Makarov and was owning Natsu, but was easily defeated by a weakened Erza (Natsu was probably losing because a) fire is weak to air and b) he couldn't summon his real power). Gajeel was about equal to Natsu, and he was the strongest in the guild.
- Pointed out during the Grand Magic Games. It really does just seem to be that Fairy Tail's S-Class is much harder to attain than the S-Class of some other guilds.
- Why does everybody treat Lucy like she is the one and only busty character in this show? I mean Fairy Tail is a World of Buxom after all, but everybody makes a huge deal about her breasts so much that other busty female characters are considered flat in comparison in-universe.
How does Fairy Tail make money?
- Presumably they do, or they wouldn't be able to buy so much beer or rebuild their HQ so quickly. If they get funded by the Magic Council, where does the Magic Council get its money? It'd make most sense if the guild gets a cut of the reward for completing a job, but the characters have never factored the guild's cut in when they split up a reward and nobody's ever complained about the Natsu Gang's tendency to not accept rewards.
- Regarding the quick rebuilding of the guild, one of the guild member profiles tells us that one of the members uses wood-based magic and she was essential to the reconstruction process. With the wood easily manipulated into the correct shape, a lot of time and labour could be saved. Also, if other members with different powers work together to do different things, they could save money on materials.
- Also about the Council, I'm assuming that it's connected to the government, so likely it gets funding from taxes and whatnot. On the other hand, guilds may be funded by the local government, i.e. the cities/towns they reside in. Heck, for all we know, Fairy Tail could essentially be running on it's dormatories (if one assumes that there is a boys one like there is a girls one). It's never really specified except for a couple times just how much food and drink cost, so it might not even be all that expensive.
- Possibly the guild factors its cut in before posting the reward, and asks for that sum as a deposit.
- The guild doubles as a bar, don't forget. Natsu also mentioned once that he just pays to eat there rather than cook himself (meaning he probably just doesn't know how to light a match). Heavy drinkers like Cana are probably a huge part of the guild's income.
- Wasn't the bargain for being allowed to live was to always automatically come to Lucy's aid? Loki has shown that he doesn't even need to be summoned, and is implied that he has a gut instinct for whenever Lucy's in danger. So why did he send Virgo to Lucy's aid when he had a date? I'm sure he would've gladly canceled it in light of the circumstances...and the fact that it looks like she's about to be executed...
- I think he didn't come because he couldn't. He was probably on a date in Magnolia... so he's stuck in the lacryma with everybody else. Virgo got the message, and since he still hasn't returned, she concluded he was still on his date (which is plausible, what with him being a Casanova and all).
- I think it would be probable that Stellar/Celestial Spirits weren't affected by Anima, and if they were, they would presumably sense it(seeing as Horologium saved Lucy from Anima).
- After Natsu beat him, everyone arrives and gets distracted by Kageyama jacking the Lullabye. Then Elgior (screw it, that's the first spelling I read) was gone without a trace, and is never mentioned again. Where did he go, and what's up with him now? I'd say the author forgot about him, but what with how much he doesn't forget the little things, I'm guessing Elgior's supposed to be an eventual Chekhov's Gunman... or something.
- Actually, he IS mentioned again. AT the start of the chapter/episode where Erza and Natsu fight Lucy does an epilogue to that arc wherein she mentions that every member of the dark guild got arrested EXCEPT for Erigor, who was never captured. Lucy than worries about the possibility of him coming back for revenge.
- If it makes you feel any better, in the anime he returns during the Nirvana arc under the banner of Oracion Seis, is defeated in a rematch with Natsu, and goes on to have his clothes stolen by Jellal.
- And, he is now a member of the reborn Oracion Seis, revealed in episode 140(Anime only arc).
What's up with the character names?
- A lot of the names were cooler before we got the official spellings. Which would you prefer... Gajeel Redfox or Gazille Reitfox? Juvia or Lluvia? Laxus Dreyar or Luxus Dreher? (Seriously, 'Laxus' sounds like a diarrhea medicine, while 'Luxus' sounds like 'lux' which means 'light'... it's much more fitting.) Erigor or Elgior? Mystogan or Mistgun? (Admittedly, that one's not so bad... sounds kind of like 'mysterious eye', which is appropriate for an illusion specialist. Mistgun still sounds cooler though.) Jellal or Gerard? Loke or Loki? Natsu Dragneel or Natsu Dragonil? (Hm... drag or dragon, I wonder which sounds more badass?) Vijeeter Ecor or Victor Echo? And I'm sure we'll just get more as time goes on.
- It's gotten to the point that most fans only refer to the characters by their originally scanlated names, not the official ones, because they're so much better.
- I would imagine that the anime should vindicate some of these (not that they should really need vindication to begin with), since in the cases of Laxus and Gajeel so far, you can hear the "ja" and "la" sounds when their names are spoken, and the same will probably be true for some future names as well.
- I can shed a little light on the Gazille vs. Gajeel one. Apparently what we might romanize as "z" in our alphabet's characters still makes a "j" sound in Japanese. I remember first being confused on this issue back when I still watched the subbed Pokémon anime, and Denzi's name was pronounced as "Denji" despite the romanized spelling. Some research later, and boom, understanding.
- This also applies to pretty much all 'official' translations, but it seems to be partly because of 'professional' pride. If it's the official translation, it's whatever they say it is, and in some cases they change the names entirely, just not as much anymore. Some of it seems to be a little bit of spite though, since you translate the name phoenetically, that is spelling it the way to sounds. The official translators do just this and then decide to throw in a few errant letters or alternative spellings because hey, they are the 'professionals', and can't be seen to be the same as the so called 'amatuers'. While some names are spoken the same, the spellings make it hard for some people who don't know how to pronounce the more exotic forms of a given name. An english example would be taking a phrase like 'Adam Prince of England' and making it unique by changing it to 'Ahdum Prince of Engelun'. Both can be pronounced the same (mostly), just the one is more awkward just to make it more fantasy oriented.
- Dragonil may seem more "badass" but Dragneel is obviously a reference to Igneel being Natsu's "father". It's FAR more appropriate.
- Sorry to cut in front of someone else, but I felt this needed to go right after the other complaint. What the hell is so hard to accept about the official names? Sure, some of them aren't quite as cool, but they don't totally suck either. I actually prefer Gajeel and Jellal. Besides, Hiro Mashima is the one who translated them into English. Saying the other names are the right ones is like saying Dumbledore isn't gay.
- Gajeel is fine, but Jellal? Really? The truth is that Del Ray shouldn't have consulted Mashima on the names because he clearly doesn't understand the Roman alphabet well enough.
- As the person who wrote the preceding IJBM, I feel obliged to point out that I never said the official names totally suck. I said that many of the scanlated names are better, which you actually agreed with. I also note that you didn't bother to justify your opinion with any serious thought other than "Word of God", which was not even the subject of the debate in the first place. Yes, he said that's how they're pronounced and spelled. Yes, that's how they're pronounced in the anime. No, they are not as good as the scanlated versions. Also, I never said they are the RIGHT ones, I said they are BETTER. As in Better Than Canon, which is a trope for a reason. It is a matter of opinion, and since everyone knows who you're talking about, it's not a big deal.
- On a side-note, I think it would be a good idea for manga authors to consult with actual English speakers (NATIVE English speakers) before deciding on character names or using Gratuitous English. The same applies for any other Gratuitous Foreign Language. I would actually be willing to be such a consultant for FREE, except that I 1) have no way of contacting said authors, 2) don't speak Japanese to communicate with them, and 3) really only have complaints about shows with already-established character names.
- According to the official manga translations, Hiro Mashima gave them the English spellings.
- actually I think Mashima knew what he was doing when he picked some of those names.
- Everyone's a critic. Which is fine. But I also feel Mashima-sensei knew full well what he was doing. I tend to prefer his choice of names. But thinking he, or any mangaka should consult with any kind of specialist in the interest of suiting your tastes, well, live and let live, eh? No one wants to be told how they should tailor their own creation. Takes the fun out of it, you know? It's obviously not a big enough deal to stop reading the manga over, which is why it's on the JBM page.
- Mashima uses actual name from other languages, many with a deeper meaning connected to the character (including the two mentioned), so it is kinda weird to see people complain about those names.
- A big issue people have with the scanlated names is preferring names that, while not necessarily fitting the actual pronunciation, are closer to actual names in English. The problem with this is that not all of the names are English in origin. Jellal, as noted above, is Arabic in origin and is a legitimate name, but fans tend to prefer Gerard because it's an English name. Fairy Tail isn't the only manga where English-speaking people accidentally make asses of themselves by claiming names that are typical in other languages and cultures are or sound dumb.
- Honestly, I find most of the scanlated names to all sound pretty dumb.
Does someone relatively important will die at one point?
- Yes, it's a Shonen. Still, some of the characters got injured pretty bad and still come back. Makarov could have died two times already. Every little bit of what was once Gerard was destroyed at the end of the Tower of Paradise arc and he still came back. And Erza had made a pretty epic Heroic Sacrifice before Natsu saved her. Don't get me wrong, I like both Makarov and Gerard, and Erza is my favorite character by far, but if everyone is always saved (except Simon/Shimon) it will lose it's impact pretty fast.
Wendy's Burp Attack!
- Okay, so a Dragon Slayer powers up or heals by 'eating' their element. Wendy's element is 'sky' or 'air'. Except she can't just breathe to power up... she has to 'eat' air. However, swallowing air is what leads to gastrointestinal bloating, leading to... burps and farts. So all ow Wendy's attacks as a Sky Dragon Slayer should be a variation on Fartillery. And yet we never see her so much as hiccuping, let alone the cruder burps and farts we'd expect.
- That's like saying Natsu needs third degree burns on his intestines. It's just magic, for God's sake.
- Actually, I was making a joke about the fact that Wendy's attacks would literally be burps, as they are "bursts of gas expelled rapidly from the lungs or stomach through the mouth". I wasn't seriously complaining. Take a chill pill, already. (On a side note, I find it amusing how worked up people get over some of the questions I post, since they seem to take it far more seriously than I do, yet complain about me taking it to seriously...) :P
- Well therein lies the crux of your problems, kiddo. You're in the Headscratchers page. Take your act to the WMG if you want a better reception.
Gajeel's third nosebolt/piercing/whatever it is
- Somewhere between the one-sided Laxus beatdown and the Harvest Festival clusterfuck he lost one of his nose things. What's up with that?
What is the legal drinking age in Fiore, if there is one? We have yet to see anyone object to a person drinking, no matter what their age, and though only certain people explicitly drink alcohol, it's implied that almost everyone does.
- There actually is a canon answer to this! Though I can't be bothered to find it. At some point (maybe Kana's introduction or info sheet) it's mentioned that the legal drinking age is 15 (as I remember, don't quote me on that) and then Kana (or her info sheet) mentions that she'd been drinking for longer than that. If you really want to know for certain, the answer is in there, I just can't remember exactly where.
Fairy Tail Similarities to other characters NOT COPYING
- Is it me, or does Gray seem like Ace from One Piece, since
- Both are [walkingshirtlessscenes]
- Have a brotherly relationship with The Hero
- Very self-sacrifcing
- Cool-headed personalities
- I know Gray is supposed to be an expy of Musica from Rave, but there are just these similarities.
- To stick to the comparison between the two series, Gildartz and Shanks would be the more obvious comparison. Red hair, known for being powerful even as far as their overpowered worlds go, missing an arm, mentor figures...
- From another series for a change, the first thing I thought when I saw Kageyama was "hey, evil Shikamaru!" Same hairstyle, similar powerset only stronger (but with less Heart Is an Awesome Power potential)...
- I don't know which came first, but Lucy's appearance in her blue and white outfit seems incredibly similar to Alexis / Asuka from Yu Gi Oh Gx.
- It may just be me, but Jellal seems to bear a slight resemblance to Sieg Hart...
- The thing about the key and the Dragon Cannon don't make sense. If Edoras is planning on firing it at the lachryma, they said that it would fuse them together with the magic of Exteria. But Sugarboy told Gray that it would turn the people back to normal. I suppose we have to assume Sugarboy really was bluffing, but he seemed really serious about it, especially after the key was destroyed. But even if he WAS bluffing, then Gray went ahead and made a replica, so we can only assume he plans to use it.
So... Will it kill everyone in Magnolia Town
, or save them?
Why Natsu didn't become sick when he rode that Giant Flyer
thing during the Exteria Arc?
By that time it's been established that he's still prone to carsickness at all kinds of vehicles other than Happy. When he was heading out for the giant lachryma, he looked fine when he rode Coco's... uhhh... demon rabbit... thing.
- He doesn't get motion-sickness on Happy because Happy isn't a vehicle, so either riding living things doesn't cause it... OR it has something to due with the fact that Happy and the flying thing are both from Edoras.
- It could be that both creatures are living and thus not actual vehicles. Has Natsu ever rode a horse-or-the-like in canon? The "both from Edoras" theory is a hella interesting theory, though. I like it.
- Natsu DID ride on Simon's back during the Tower arc, and he got sick.
- He rode on Lucy's back, too, with the same results. I think we can just chalk it up to Series Continuity Error, because Mashima was probably too caught up in the situation to have Natsu comically falling ill again. Sometimes it just ruins the mood.
- As one of the IJB Ms above said, Natsu's motion sickness is probably mental as well as physical. Natsu only gets sick on things he considers to be a vehicle. He doesn't consider Happy to be a vehicle because he thinks of Happy as a 'friend'. That's probably why he can get sick on some things and not others.
- It's more of WMG, but I think, here's appropriate place for it, so... WordOfGod says that every Dragon Slayer starts suffering motion sickness at certain age/power level, and also said (IIRC) that learning Dragon Slayer magic changes the mage's body. I think, one of such changes is modification of cerebellum for better coordination in fight versus dragon, who can, you know, do a barrel roll, for example. So every Dragon Slayer is very good at coordination and motion prediction, as Natsu and Gajeel show during their fight with Sting and Rogue, but what if motion sickness is drawback of such mutation? Also it may be connected with actual flight, IIRC, Natsu has no problem with flying on anyone (Happy or winged whatever-it-is from Edolas), which actually makes sense: Dragon Slayer hardly can slay a dragon, if he get motion sickness every time he rides one.
- It bugs me that the character's find Nirvana's ability to do a forced Face-Heel Turn to be morally reprehensible, but they're just fine with a forced Heel-Face Turn. Likewise, Sherry is depicted as being possessed by an evil spirit whereas Hoteye is depicted as just changing his mind. He even says that "People's hearts shouldn't be manipulated by magic" but that reeks of Fridge Logic since that's exactly what happened to him. Hoteye's Heel-Face Turn was still forced upon him. He had no choice in the matter.
- I had that exact same concern with the whole Nirvana thing. I mean, being angry because your friends are in danger is not supposed to make one do a Face-Heel Turn, as is the case with Natsu. But Sherry was angry only because Leon died, which is pretty much the same thing. So, I just took Hoteye's Heel-Face Turn as him actually being good deep inside all along. And I just chanted the MST3K Mantra.
- Maybe it's because Natsu was trying to protect people and Sherry was aiming for revenge? Two fundamentally different reasons for their rage mean two different reactions to Nirvanna I would assume.
- Remember that at that stage it only switches over people who are "wavering between good and evil." Hoteyes was already capable of turning into that person eventually, Nirvana just gave him a push.
- During his conversion (in the manga), Hoteye actually declares that his ORIGINAL GOAL was to find his brother. And for that he needed money, and he was eventually consumed by greed instead. His brother is, of course, the only OTHER person in the series with a polygonal face. We've already met him.
- There's similar concept in russian fantasy book, Night Watch, - remoralisation. It has different effects depending on which side used it: if used by light mage, it forces target to behave according to their morale, literally (for example, you can remoralise cannibal with all power in the world, but he still be cannibal, except he won't play with... food. Maybe.), and if used by dark mage, it unshackles target's hidden desires, emotions etc. It also said that, despite effects don't wear off or escalate by themselves, they can be amplified/inhibited by influence of other people. So in case of Hotey Jura's influence amplified the effect of Nirvana, forcing his HeelFaceTurn, and in case of Sherry it was mitigated, thanks to the fact that Lyon survived, and so her FaceHeelTurn effect was negated.
- Dunno if this is gonna be controversial or unnecessarily philosophical, but, it's only a double standard if we assume Dualism here—that is, that good and evil, light/dark are equal, and just different opinions; that Truth is arbitrary/in the eye of the beholder. For all that Shounen universes have a "defeat = friendship" mentality, and see characters as human, always, they never support the idea that "Evil is just as legitimate as Good". Evil is objectively "Wrong", Good is objectively "Right", and better, and the Truth. People who are evil have stepped off the path. Thus, it's not really a double standard, since making people good is "Right". Not saying that's true in the real world, but it's at least consistent within the Shonen Fairy Tail universe.
How does Urtear's green orb work?
- I can understand that reversing time on the orb can mend it when it's shattered. But how does sending it into the future cause it to fly forward and attack someone? I'm progressing into the future at a rate of one second per second right now and so far have shown no inclination to fly around and attack people. Is she really using telekinesis and just lying to Natsu about her Time Arc magic?
- I always saw her as launching the orb as an attack, target dodges it, she reverses the time of it, hit from behind for example. then again it could be some combination of telekinesis and chronokinesis.
- Actually explained by Urtear as a sort of (non ad-absurdum) form of quantum superposition. She sends the orb into POSSIBLE futures, going as far as to duplicate it endlessly.
Lisanna being alive
- First off she got sucked into Edolas via the anima portals that the King was using to steal magic from Earthland, so why was she not turned into Lacrima like everyone else who was not guided there by Mystogun? Why was she not picked up by the palace when they forced her into coming remember that was anima caused by the palace not by Mystogun.
- These were just a bunch of little Anima, so it's possible that the Anima used back then were just prototypes, which would explain the discrepancies.
- While that could be the case we know that Mystogan was already in Earthland at that point in time because he helped Wendy after she lost her dragon and Natsu was already part of the guild when Lisanna "died" so the idea that it is still super underdeveloped when a child saw the need to travel to a different world to stop it seems doubtful but not beyond all realm of reason I guess.
- He tried to prevent Anima. Simple as that. Some people won't let the problems manifest first. In fact, there could have been successful uses of Anima, but it might have not been consistent enough until recently.
- That still does not explain why she did not turn into Lacrima like every other non Dragon Slayer or native to Edolos does when they go through anima.
- Err, it does. Like I said, the Anima Edolas was previously using could have been just a prototype. Also, Lucy didn't turn into Lacrima as well.
- Lucy was sent by Mystogan and that at least makes sense. Anima's entire purpose was to take magic from Earthland and turn it into usable magic, Lacrima, for Edolas. If its prototype did not do that it would be like testing a prototype car with no engine or wheels which just does not make any sense in the slightest.
- Ok, wrong about Lucy. However, Anima is supposed to 1) take magic and 2) convert that magic into lacrima. Simply put, what if the prototype could fulfill function 1 but not function 2? Alternatively, there was a glitch in the Anima prototype that spared Lisanna from becoming a crystal. Besides, Mashima runs on Rule of Drama more than logic.
- Secondly it's such a huge cop out. It mocks everything that Elfman and Mirajane went through after her death. Also did they not find it at all suspicious that her body disappeared? Is this common in Earthland? Seriously what the fuck.
- Uh, this is a world of magic. Anything can happen. Anything can kill you in all sorts of ways. And I don't know about you, but I certainly don't feel cheated for mourning someone who's not dead, in fact I'd be more than happy. What, just because your reason for Character Development was ultimately invalidated doesn't mean it was ultimately pointless. If something should bug you it should be the fact that Mira and Elfman just readily accepted Lisanna's alive.
- Yeah a wizard did it. Which means someone did it not just a random happenstance. To the best of my knowledge there has been no wild magic in Earthland, just humans and animals that can use magic. So when my she disappeared that meant that someone or something took her. That's not the time to completely write her off as dead, she has been kidnapped. You don't ignore a kidnapped child you try and find them, even if all you may be looking for is a corpse. Hell, Natsu has been looking for his disappeared dragon for years, how would looking for your disappeared sister be any different?
- We don't know what Mirajane and Elfman did after they saw their sister disappeared. All they knew was that she was really injured and then she went poof. For all we know they did try to find Lisanna, but they gave up in the end. Letting go prematurely, so to speak.
- That does not mesh well with Elfman's character though he just would not give up so long as their is the slimiest of a chance. I don't really know enough about Mirajane to say that it is out of her character, but Lisanna's "death" scene feels like an after thought with how, at least Elfman if not them both, with their development since that time.
- It does mesh well with Elfman's character though — Elfman was shy and timid in the past, very much like his Edolas counterpart. If I remember correctly it was Lisanna's "death" that pushed him into wanting to be a man amongst men, hence his current attitude.
- This is really the only thing that bugs me about Lisanna's return, but I DO have a very mildly plausible explanation (VERY mild). In the manga, we never actually see her death, and what happens to her (I don't count the anime stuff, because I haven't watched it). All we know is that Elfman went berserk, Lisanna tried to stop him, and she failed, 'dying' in the process. Now, considering that seeing you little sister die is incredibly traumatic—especially if, like Elfman, it's basically your fault—it's not implausible that both Mirajane and Elfman blacked out at some point after she was 'knocked unconscious/killed'. If their memories of the exact moments of her 'death' are blurred and incomplete, and they simply woke up to find her gone... well, one possible, but tragically plausible (to a damaged psyche) conclusion is that Elfman literally ripped her to tiny, tiny pieces, so there was no corpse left. Maybe they didn't see her 'vanish' at all.
- Lisanna DID die. Edolas! Lisanna, specifically. They were switched for some A Wizard Did It reason. Which is why Lisanna hesitates to reveal she's not the Edolas Lisanna.
- Third this also implies that Edolas Elfman and Mirajane just let someone THEY KNEW WAS AN IMPOSTOR pretend to be their dead little sister for years. How could you live with that lie tainting all of your interactions with her? Never even confronting her in the slightest. It's just unsettling to say the least.
- Same thing with Wendy. She grew up talking to illusions, so her life from when she entered Cait Shelter until she joined Fairy Tail was basically one huge lie. For you it might be unsettling, but personally I think honesty is overrated. Lisanna had no idea how to get home, so she adapted to her new life. Edolas Mirajane and Edolas Elfman knew she was a fake, but she's not saying anything about it, so they might have believed that their suspicions are wrong or decided to be selfish.
- I am not blaming Lisanna, besides from pretending to be someone's dead sister, she did nothing wrong in adapting to her new life. I guess the best way to describe how I feel about what Edolas Mirajane and Elfman did would be saying they decided to live in a Lotus-Eater Machine instead of the real world, and that always deeply disturbs me when that choice comes up and it's even considered. You are right though it is a subjective deal. Which is true for just about all it just bugs me.
- Yeah, I can see why people would be disturbed by something like that. Still, their actions were plausible, because there are people that will do something like that. It's not ridiculous.
- Nothing Lisanna did was for selfish reasons. Even impersonating Edolas Lisanna was, in a sense, an act of kindness, because she didn't know that Edolas Elfman and Mirajane knew her real identity, and thought she was saving them the pain of losing their sister by being a substitute, to the extent that even when she saw Earthland Natsu and realised there may be a way to return home she still wanted to stay with her Edolas siblings. She certainly treated them like her real brother and sister, and they treated her like theirs.
- On a side-note: We DO get to see her dying in the anime, in Mira's arms even, right before Mira turns into Satan Soul for the first time. Granted, the anime staff didn't expect to get much farther than that, but this'll call for another gigantic ass pull.
- Not really. As mentioned above, they watched EDOLAS! Lisanna die. The two were switched somehow at some point.
Mashima Hiro forgot how much time has passed in his story.
Lucy has been in the guild one year as of chapter 158
, and the side stories are cannon they are mentioned in the regular stories some times, but in the latest chapter she has only been in the guild six months
. Maybe it's just a translation issue but man this irks the hell outa me.
- Even if the side stories are canon, they don't necessarily have to be shown when they normally happen in the timeline. It's simple, that particular side-story won't happen for 6 more months. Also, while some side stories are canon not all are, so there's that too.
- AnachronicOrder is also how I viewed it, but what bugs me is that this side story includes Cana. If it's canon, it spoils the whole "Is Cana going to quit the guild or not?" suspense of the current S-Class exam arc, since she obviously didn't quit if she's still there six months later.
- There was never any suspense. A few pages later, Mira reassures Lucy that Cana goes through that phase every year.
- Since the end of the S-class arc sort of happened, and that omake is never actually mentioned in the main story, it's probably not canon.
What's Up With the Ten Great Holy/Saint Mages?
According to the various arc, there is pretty much a "top ten list" of mages - the biggest, strongest, and most skilled. The only ones speciffically named are Gerard (when he was still playing The Masquerade
), Fairy Tail's guildmaster, and Phantom Lord's guildmaster. The last two, whose names I cannot recall, Seem to deserve their titles, both supposedly being nearly invincible when compared to other mages. However, other characters are shown to easily be just as strong if not stronger than at least two of these three.
- These include: 1)Laxus, who is a freaking strong artificial dragon slayer, is is capable of using the legendary class spell fairy law. 2)Erza, who can withstand a blast from the building-destroying jupiter cannon, defeat the (relatively) powerful mage Aria, and give the Phantom Lord guy a bit of a challenge; she can also take a lot of punishment and still go toe-to-toe with Gerard, though he pretty much beats her. 3)Ur, who dukes it out with Deliora, though she cannot actually defeat it; Gerard even mentions that she could have gained a "Great Mage" title. 4)Gildartz; oh lord, Gildartz. He can destroy nearly any normal substance - and does so on a regular basis becose of his absent-mindedness - survives a surprize dragon attack, scares the crap out of Natsu even though he loses an arm, leg, and an unspecified organ in that attack, and Natsu thinks of merely pushing Gildartz back a few feet to be a major sign of progress.
- Gereard, however, doesn't seem that strong - his most powerful attack is the Abyss Break spell, which any really skilled mage can use. All of the other guys could easily defeat Gerard in one-on-one combat; but are any of these guys in the top ten? Nope. What the heck is up with that?
- Maybe it's not about strength, but skill? Also, I guess if you have a bad reputation, such as FT's tendency to cause property damage, you probably wouldn't be granted a title. Also, 1) Laxus was probably hiding his true strength, since he was planning to eventually take over Fairy Tail, 2) Erza withstanding the cannon and beating Aria wasn't much of a surprise (Aria seemed like a sneak attack kind of guy). Also, Jose was just playing around with Erza, though he does mentioned Erza would have made a formidable foe, and Gerard is just weird (seriously, his power level's all over the place), 3) Ur could have gotten the title, but we don't know enough about Ur's strength or skill, 4) Gildartz probably won't get a title seeing that he has a tendency to let his magic run wild, plus property damage.
- It's not so much that Gerard's power is all over the place, it's that various circumstances were always playing against him. His first fight against Erza he had to deal with 1) His magic power split in half to sustain the psychic projection (which was apparently enough to get him into the Ten Wizard Saints at at least half of Jose's age, who Makarov had said was unusually skilled for his age) 2) Even with half power he couldn't go all-out against Erza since he needed her alive to be the sacrifice and he was buying time for Etherion to fire. Then Etherion fired and Gerard's power returned to full capacity and Natsu showed up. Gerard still couldn't go all out against him because 1) he couldn't risk destroying the tower, and 2) he did take a beating holding back against Erza. Then Gerard killed Simon and pushed Natsu's Berserk Button, and Natsu activated his Shonen Deus Ex Machina Eleventh Hour Super Mode and got taken completely by surprise. When he finally had enough and decided to destroy everything in sight, the injury Erza gave him conveniently acted up and Natsu took the opening. In the Oracion Seis arc Gerard had amnesia, which apparently still left him with enough magical knowledge to 1) offhandedly one-shot Natsu, 2) collapse the cliff Brain was standing on, and 3) place a spell on the entire Nirvana structure to destroy it. Midnight showed up after 1) Gerard had taken damage from the destruction spell he put on himself, 2) he still had amnesia, and 3) he probably let his own power get blasted back into his face. Is it Worfing if you Worf yourself? Even if it wasn't his own power, he still manages to 1) get up, 2) interrupt Natsu's fight against Zero, and 3) give Natsu enough power to make the Super Mode Natsu awakened against him look like a hiccup next to a hurricane. So yes, in my opinion Gerard definitely deserves the title "Wizard Saint".
- Oh, and being officially the strongest doesn't necessarily mean they are.
- While I agree that being a "Wizard Saint" means nothing (since it's stated that Erza has the potential to become one, but there are lots of mages that are stronger than her) and it's just a mere title, Jellal is definitely one of the most powerful mage in the series so far. At the age of 19 (he started learning magic since he was brainwashed, meaning for only 8 years), Jellal has mastered the most variety of spells so far: Telekinesis, flight, super speed/strength, nuke, clone, sealing, elemental spells (fire, Flame of Rebuke, Abyss,...), Darkness, Heavenly, etc. It's just that he has never had the chance to show his full power and is quite underrated . In the Tower Arc, he fought Erza, wounded, then curbtomped Natsu while still holding back A LOT to keep his tower, his attack again was blocked by Simon, then was interrupted by a stupid convenient wound before delivering the final blow. In the Nirvana arc, because having amnesia alone is not enough, he has spent most of his power trying to destroy Nirvana and also heavily wounded due to the Self Destruct on himself. The only hint of his true power is casting Abyss Break in 2s without any problems (which needs the Element 4 and Jose TONS of time to cast) and it's stated that the spell can destroy half of the Magnolia or the whole tower that the Council needed to use the Etherion to destroy. I'm kinda sure that Abyss can definitely kill Dragon Force Natsu, or else the author wouldn't need to bring up the wound to stop it, which again surpasses Zero (one of the 3 strongest Dark guild's master)'s ultimate spell Genesis Zero, and there is nothing proving that Abyss Break is his ultimate spell either....
- Becoming a Ten Wizard Saint isn't all about power. It's probably a title awarded to people who are strong and do good things for other people with their magic, just like a Catholic Saint in Real Life. It's easy to see how Makarov and Jura got such titles, and Jose and Jellal/Siegrain probably did good things for people just so they themselves would look good (Jose because he is a vain, proud bastard, and Jellal for his plans). Erza, in her Near Death Clairvoyance, was given the title in her dream for sacrificing her own life to stop the Tower of Heaven incident. So yeah, strength can't be the only requirement.
Fairy Law and the Phantom Lord Arc
- At the end of said arc, we learn of the Legendary spell Fairy Law. Anyone who can use this is a Person of Mass Destruction to their enemies. Let's recap on the specifics: Fairy Law is a legendary class light magic spell that pulverizes everything the user beleives to be an enemy within a very large range. And after Phantom Lord kicks the dog a few times, even going so far as to hurt some true companions - which Fairy Tail can view as crossing the Moral Event Horizon - almost all of Fairy Tail mobilizes to have a smack-down with their rival guild. Now, Makarov could have gone in and just nuked the entire guild, thus preventing the hardships of the entire damn arc. But he doesn't. Why not?
- But then we wouldn't have an arc! Also, even if Makarov did do that, I think there's a pretty high chance of the guild members laying the beatdown anyway. I guess Makarov realized his guild needed to let off some steam?
- Maybe you need to absolutely hate the enemy to use Fairy Law on them, and not just be very angry at them. Makarov did make the 'I-won't-forgive-you-anymore-there's-no-turning-back-now' speech before using it, so I just assumed he didn't view them (or at least all of them, rather than the guild as a whole) as enemies before that. Judging by the way Laxus couldn't use it even though he felt that he's have no regrets about it, and the way Fairy Tail forgives villains all the time, he might've known that he won't be able to kill off a whole guild just like that. You just might have a point there, though.
- There's also the fact that they were just a regular guild, not a dark one, and one would think the mass murder of every member of a guild would kind of make things bad for Fairy Tail
- You should reread the very first line that Makarov says when he comes back to duke it out with Jose. "Too much blood has been spilled. The blood of Children." Which is referring to the guildm embers on both side. His goal was to take down the guildmaster and at that point he was the only one left still standing and it's not like Phantom Lord Guild was evil, maybe Jose and Aria, they just took it too far.
- Other than the above mentioned mass murder out of the blue, it's not Makarov's way to attack somebody out of the blue. Remember his speech before he uses Fairy Law, counting to three and all.
- Please also keep in mind that when they first retaliated against Phantom, Makarov didn't know if the entire guild was in on it. For all he knew it could have been Gajeel acting as a rogue agent (which was partially true anyway, as Jose only told him to trash the guild hall, not attack team Shadow Gear), or something that only Jose and the S Class mages were in on.
- Being one of the Ten Wizard Saints probably isn't a title that's given to you purely because of power - which is why the likes of Gildarts and Laxus aren't Saints. It's most likely given to someone who performs a particularly good deed AND has a crapload of power. That would be why Erza was given the title posthumously - she died (in her vision) in order to stop the Tower of Heaven. It's just like Real Life sainthood. People like Jellal and Jose were probably performing good deeds in order to get well-known/famous (Jose especially, since he cared a lot about appearances and fame), while Makarov and Jura genuinely did good things.
What's with the Stellar Spirit magic?
- I mean, why is there a world where all creatures are supposed to work for humans? Maybe I missed something, but I really don't get why the spirits would become mage's tools in the first place.
- Short answer: we don't really know why they're doing it. However, stellar spirits work for their mages as long as they abide by their respective contracts. So, essentially, they're kinda like hired mercenaries. Just don't know what the spirits gain in return.
- Maybe they get energy, or whatever ki is called in that world?
- Maybe they were created for the specific purpose of helping out humans?
- I got the impression it was that if a mage is strong enough to summon them, the spirit would be impressed enough to allow a mage to form a contract with them. I don't think the spirit gets anything out of it other than the satisfaction of helping out someone who deserves their help. Of course, this isn't necessarily true, as Aquarius demonstrates: while Lucy may have been capable enough to summon her and form a contract, Aquarius just plain doesn't like Lucy, so while she is contractually obliged to turn up when summoned, that doesn't mean she won't end up taking her frustrations out on Lucy, and won't stop her from telling Lucy not to summon her next week because she's going away with her boyfriend (though I assume in that situation, Aquarius would come if called, but would not be happy in the slightest).
- My guess is that spirits have some kind of long-standing friendship with some humans which goes far back into history. Considering Loki works for Lucy at least partly out of gratitude for saving his life. You could say the same about Aries. Also, Lucy "inherited" Capricorn from her mother. Also, it seems that the spirits would not just work for anyone who has the keys (The first villian threw away the keys saying they are of no use to him). It could also be that the humans are obliged to work for the spirit if need be. Think about the summoning in Naruto. The "reverse summoning" wasn't revealed until much later.
Anybody know why Mystogan came to Earthland in the first place? It didn't seem like joining Fairy Tail serves a real porpuse.
- To meet Dragon Slayers, I suppose.
- His original purpose was to seal up the anima before Edolas could steal mana with it. Apparently the palace did not let a few failures deter them, or the just kept [More Dakka making more]] until one man could not possible seal them all up. Why he joined Fairy Tail? Maybe being in a guild made moving around easier, or he just liked the company? Humans sometimes do things just because they want to even if they do not make them closer to their over all objective.
- He didn't actually interact with anyone other than the master, so I doubt that.
- I can actually think of tons of reasons. First off is money to pay for general expenses like food and clothes and traveling expenses, unless you really wanna say that Jellal could just have easily stolen clothes as he grew and walked to each anima spot, second would be information since Guilds are well connected around the world. As for why Fairy Tail, the abolishment of guilds could have started before he left to seal the anima in Earthland, maybe Fairy Tail stood out to him.
Why does Lucy never have enough money (other than Rule of Funny)? Her rent is less than the other girls and they seem to distribute the money from their jobs evenly.
- Actually mentioned somewhere that most of her profits go to paying for Natsu's collateral damage during missions.
- In that case, the same should happen to their own profits. Nobody ever mentioned that they take her money first, and judging by the way she usually acts, she would've complained about them getting more money in the end.
- The recent special chapter implies that Natsu has fewer living expenses than most people.
Why does Lucy not learn a simple Fire Magic spell?
- She is always teamed up with Natsu, and that would make him more powerful.
- It would give people a suprise who manage to steal her keys, which seems to happen pretty often. All in all it seems like a wise thing to do even if it would require quite a bit of effort to learn one spell.
- This can actually apply to most of the mages in this series; most tend to rely on one type of magic instead of being versatile in several. You can probably to chalk it up to the fact that if too many people have the same magic spells the fights would probably get more confusing, or more boring. Besides, Lucy has a good whip now.
- There's also the fact that she just might not be good at it. In one of the omakes, Natsu was able to do a body perfect transformation of Lucy but she couldn't do one of him. Even Happy could do a partial transformation spell. Lucy probably isn't really good at any other spells besides those related to Celestial Magic.
- She's lazy. That's all. She notes in the beginning that if she were to train, her spirits could even surpass Natsu (granted, even without training they're absurdly strong). IF. Meaning she doesn't even train her Stellar Spirit Magic.
- Not quite. A bonus chapter has Lucy trying to learn other types of magic, and demonstrates that because she usually casts spells through items she struggles with magic that doesn't rely on tools.
- For that matter, why doesn't anybody learn a few other types of magic (other than Natsu, who does not so much learn as absorb Thunder Magic)? The new villain shows up who laughs at Erza's equip? She pulls out a silver key and starts casting light spells. Etc. Because its the nature of the series, it makes the characters more distinct, and keeps them from being jacks of all spells.
Why does no one die?
- I really don't understand when you have a bunch of super powered mages around, one who can make f*cking Ice Spears to impale people, another who can magically spawn swords and toss them at you and another who can literally set you on fire, yet nobody ever kicks the bucket. Hell, even the whole retcon of Lisanna's death ruined a ton of character development for Elfman and Mirajane. I understand this is a Shonen manga/anime, but so is Naruto and there are tons of people that have been killed off for real.
- So... are you seriously looking for a serious answer? Because there isn't really any real reason as to why no one dies. The author might simply prefer it that way. Heck, the whole reason Trinity Raven exists is because Mashima felt sorry for the guys who were supposed to go down.
- I've always believed Simon's death was nothing more than a cheap way to subvert the trope considering Jellal, the one who killed him, ends up alive instead of him.
- Well as Chapter 356 All the higher up council members are dead, Lahar included.
How many zodiacal keys exists?
I don't mean the 12/13 signs, but how many copies, I though they were pretty rare to see Lucy with so many of them already. And she started with most of them already.
- I always assumed they were one-of-a-kind.
- They are one of a kind. Lucy said herself there are only 12, but fans theorize that there may be a 13th, Ophiuchus.
- Chapter 280 reveals that there are 13. Lucy's 10 keys (Aquarius, Taurus, Scorpio, Leo, Cancer, Aries, Gemini, Sagittarius, Capricorn and Virgo) and Yukino's 2 golden keys (Pisces and Libra) plus Ophiuchus, who Lucy states to have been mysterious and is said to be more powerful than the others.
Natsu vs Zancrow
- Am I the only one who thought Natsu's victory was a major Ass Pull? Gazille, Natsu's equal, would have been killed without Levi's help by what could be described as Elite Mooks at best. So Zancrow, who is a member of the Quirky Miniboss Squad, should be levels above them, and let's not forget they were personally taught magic by Hades, the man who curb stomped MAKAROV. Natsu landing next to Makarov to get his Eleventh Hour Superpower of all places when the island is humongous was a huge Contrived Coincidence. IT WAS SPECIFICALLY POINTED OUT NATSU COULD NOT EAT ZANCROW'S FLAMES AND THAT HIS MAGIC WAS INFERIOR TO HIS. Then he eats Zancrow's fire by nullifying his magic. What. The. Fuck. I know it's magic but seriously?! Wouldn't not using your magic leave you as a HUGE TARGET for the enemy's attacks? How does that even work in the first place? Canceling out your magic allows you to eat substances you could not consume previously... Yeah, I can totally buy that. This also brings up the uselessness of Zancrow's so called "God Slaying" Flames. He said his flames don't burn, they destroy everything. So how are they flames in the first place? His flames which are supposedly capable of killing Gods (or at least Hades) couldn't even eliminate a totally defenseless Natsu. Or cats, for that matter. Plot Armor at its best. And where did Natsu even get the idea to nullify his own magic? It wasn't his talk with Makarov, that's for sure. Total Deus Ex Machina, anyone? The worst part? Gildartz gave Natsu a whole lecture on how fear and knowing when to give up is a good thing. And what does he do when confronted with an opponent who has him scared out of his wits and completely overpowers him? HE IGNORES WHAT GILDARTZ TOLD HIM and said "This is a different fear from what Gildartz was talking about. These shivers are coming from the fear that whoever did this to grandpa might be finished off by someone other than me." It's official. Natsu will forever be a Flat Character. He'll just win every battle through some sort of Deus ex Machina and never change as a character. It's really sad when a character as minor as Leon has gone through more development than the main character.
- Except, no, he hasn't. Leon has gone through one shade of change, from bitter and demanding of recognition/proof of his superiority to Ur, to back to using the style Ur taught him, and accepting of Gray again. Natsu has always been a fiesty, hot headed character but he has been changing. He's learned to be more clever with his magic and at the same time, has kept the recklessness that Fairy Tail is famous for. Natsu running into Makarov isn't that contrived. Natsu has had his ass handed to him by Gazille, Jellal, Laxus, Cobra, Zero, Doruma Anima, and Gildartz before. Natsu has also always been stronger than Gazille, and eating the Aetherion and Golden Rebuke Flame must've only added to that.
- I don't see it. Natsu was introduced as reckless, not too bright, cares for his true companions, motion sickness, and looking for Igneel. Current Natsu is reckless, not too bright, cares for his true companions, motion sickness, and mentions Igneel every 80 chapters. If anything, he's gone back a step. The point is Natsu in the end has defeated all of his opponents except Gildartz, even though they were all much stronger than him. I'm fine with the weaker fighter winning a fight, as long as the process they use to win makes sense. None of Natsu's victories have made any sense except Elgiore or whatever his name was. And no, Natsu and Gazille are even, in Phantom Lord they fought equally until Gazille ate his iron and even after Lucy got fire for him, Natsu couldn't move at all at the cost of defeating him. Lastly, Etherion and Flame of Rebuke were one-time power ups, he went back to normal strength right after he finished his battles.
- That mage pretendind to be Salamander was the only lead Natsu's had to go on in a while. Igneel seems to not want to be found, and Natsu knows enough about his own dad not to look aimlessly. Nobody goes back to normal strength after fighting, you only get stronger. Natsu went from using simple Fire Dragon attacks in the beginning to more powerful and advanced forms building up into supposedly the "ultimate DS Attack".
- If Natsu knows Igneel doesn't want to be found he wouldn't be looking in the first place. Oh, so Lucy can use Uranometria again any time she wants to? Natsu has never shown the kind of strength he had compared to the fight with his power up after that fight was done. Or else he wouldn't have been beat into the ground by Luxus before Gazille showed up when he was previously destroying Gerard. Also, Natsu used his ultimate DS attack to defeat Gazille in Phantom Lord, so no, he didn't gain that from his power up against Gerard.
- As to "not using magic makes you a huge target", uh...Natsu was already on fire. There was no "targetting" necessary. What he did was a last resort, and even Makarov said it was incredibly stupid, but again, it was a last resort. Natsu seemed to let out all of his flames before trying to eat them the final time. Concerning the whole "fear" thing, it has ALWAYS been a big part of the story that the guild members are family. Natsu has always been the type of character to hunt down and eliminate whoever hurts who's close to him. That part of him hasn't changed as a character. What HAS changed is how he handles it. Gildartz told him that fear means to know ones own weakness, and that's just what Natsu learned. He knows his own weakness, and even so, he will fight because, as part of his already established character, he will do ANYTHING to protect his family. And personally, I don't want that part of him changing anytime soon. There is a difference between ignoring fear and acting on it. Natsu acted on the fear of other terrible people getting away with nearly obliterating his family.
- Flames that are supposedly able to destroy anything, a flame that is supposed to be a magic closest to the source of all magic, which Hades spent years training Zancrow; couldn't reduce Natsu or even those goddamn cats to dust. You're also ignoring where Natsu would even get the idea to cancel his magic, even if the process makes sense there's still the issue if a character is capable of using. Natsu who has never been an intelligent fighter, could come up with the perfect strategy on the spot? Plausibility is also okay to throw out the window as well as character development? You want Natsu to stay this dry Luffy/Goku Expy who wins all his battles and never grow as a character? Hell, I think admitting he can't win for once and running away would make him want to protect his true companions even more. He's failed them and he wants to make sure it would never happen again. But nope, we get the same thing we get each and every arc.
- Excuse my rudeness, but you seriously believe the things Zancrow said? I mean, really? Dragon-slayer magic, I can accept, but god-slayer? He's probably only exaggerating.
- You must not ever read One Piece or you'd know Luffy is growing as a character. Natsu has as well, just a lot more subtly. Natsu HAS been an intelligent fighter. He's clever when he needs to be and when he doesn't he just goes all out. It's just that his solutions are both smart and reckless. When in a life-threatening situation, are you going to dismiss a possible solution merely because it might kill you? That doesn't seem right.Him eating Aetherion: he's out of magic, he needs magic but there is no fire, there's stones combined with magic, might as well fut out the middle-flame. The negating of his own magic wasn't a perfect strategy. It was a last ditch attempt. It was the only thing he could try and he didn't know what would happen because he never had tried. Isn't that how a lot of fights are won, though? Figuring out some small aspect and taking advantage of it? That's a pretty basic Shonen battle turn. Do you expect Natsu to just become some sort of Shikamaru character and plan everything out ahead of time? That would be character derailment.
- You're right, Luffy is a bad comparison. He has developed (as glacial as that process was) while Natsu has not at all. And no, Natsu is not an intelligent fighter. He does stupid and reckless things and it works by sheer dumb luck (and plot). Canceling out your magic is the most random and out of nowhere thought to pop into your head when you're on fire and trying to get out. And I repeat myself, where the hell would he get the idea to do it?
- The encounter with Gildartz taught him not to be controlled by his overconfidence and desire to fight but to also be able to use his head, for example by recognizing when a fight is hopeless. This was another example of cool thinking during a fight. Natsu was also shown in previous fights to be able to eat elements he's not supposed to be able to, albeit with damage for his own body. He did it with Aetherion, doing it with special flames isn't too surprising. And he basically had to put his life on the line to do so by fully removing the flame aura that protected him and focus all his concentration and abilities in attempting to swallow the black flames. If he hadn't succeeded, he would have been incinerated but the gamble paid off and as he did succeed, the black flames immediately stopped harming him while they were swallowed (due to the vortex-like manner it happens). And he has now been shown to have suffered from this anyway.
- Lastly, his victories are never Deus Ex Machina. His fight with Erigor was won because he thought ahead and around Erigor's shield. His fight against Gazille was won because of a combination of rejuvenated magic through Lucy, who only managed to make fire, and the fact that emotions do rule magic, and while Gazille had the passion of battle, Natsu had the will of battle as well as the will to protect his family. His fight with Jellal was won because he did something both clever and stupid by eating Aetherion, but it gave him a good boost and he managed to pull a victory, despite the severe consequences afterwards. He only barely won against Laxus with Gazille's help and through reemphasising the message of family to Laxus. Against Cobra, he was very clever in thinking of his attack in a specific way against a telepath, but he still suffered heavy damage. He won against Zero due to Character Development of Jellal, who had reformed and wanted to help, and the best way to help was through a super-flame. He defeated Doruma Anima through help from Wendy and Gazille,and by surpassing his magical limit. When put up against Zancrow, he again had to think outside the box. His manner of thinking was simple and effective: Oh shit, I'm on fire. Well, I can't eat the flames if my magic is inferior. I'll just get rid of it. Ohshit, Gramps is in trouble! Like hell I'm gonna let him do this! and tried to eat the God Flames. And he seems to have passed out from his stupid attempt. He's a Dragon Slayer, so there might me a strange reason behind why it worked. Maybe the Dragons are close to the source of all magic and this was he logical power-up? Characters don't always need to change to be interesting, especially if they have good qualities from the beginning. Also, this is just my theory, but the scale scarf Natsu has could be the reason why. In contact with Zeref's magic it turned black, and there could be a link between Natsu and he scarf, and the reason he could eat God Flames. It's just my speculation, but you shouldn't chalk things up to an Ass Pull when it's just happened before a proper explanation could follow.
- ALL of Natsu's victories besides Gazille and Erigor have been Deus ex Machina. He could eat Etherion despite the majority of it wasn't fire. So... as long as anything has some fire in it, he can eat it? Natsu is beaten so bad he can't even stand on his legs, all he can do in front of Luxus' spare is to kneel and wait for it kill him (Yes, it was affirmed that it was going to kill him). But Gazille decides to receive the attack, and Natsu, who before 2 seconds couldn't even stand on his legs and had no magic left, suddenly gets power from thin air enough to cast SIX spells, one being the Ultimate DS technique. Cobra was just horrible, that "roar" wasn't even explained. The Flame of Rebuke was just too convenient and why would Gerard even be carrying around gold flames to power up people to use fire? Natsu specifically said he had no magic left against the dragon mecha but he still used a spell anyways. "hurr summon tomorrows powerz lols ipwnzu." Makes perfect sense. And Natsu eating the God Flames is no different. Explained? You mean like his "roar"? Until explained; not using any magic letting him eat the flames, coming up with the idea on the spot, and surviving the flames are Ass Pulls and I have every right to call them that.
- The Laxus fight ended pretty logically. Natsu is emotionally driven. He had just taken a massive attack, and saw one that dwarfed it heading straight towards him. His legs didn't give out from physical exhaustion, they gave out from "Oh shit, I'm really gonna die, aren't I?". And then he watches someone take the bullet for him, and grunt out "Get him" before he passes out, and Natsu revs himself up to avenge his friend.
- He is a Dragon Slayer. The thing where he couldn't exit Fried's rule of only "stone statues and age 80+" is probably gonna be explained, but it shows that magic doesn't act normal around him. He survived in the Stellar Spirit Dimension, however brief it was, but that's just proof he's unique. He has the ability to eat fire. Yes, "magic is just magic" is no excuse, but there's been plenty of proof that Natsu just is special. You're allowed to call it an Ass Pull, but it isn't really. We've slowly been seeing Natsu become more and more dragonlike, hence the whole him-as-a-dragon illusion. Natsu took advantage of Cobra's incredible hearing while he was so close and gave off a legitimate roar. Hearing as sensitive as Cobra's would've caused incredible, headsplitting pain from being in such close proximity. We don't know if the Aetherion or Golden Flame didn't enhance his power further, after all, they were super magic, beyond regular flames. His defeat of Doruma Anima was just another show of how determined he is. Him summoning "tomorrow's share" of magic isn't ridiculous, especially in a world where the same guy can eat fire. Magic is fueled by emotion and determination, and Natsu's determination to put a stop to King Faust was intense enough to muster just enough to keep fighting. Him taking a step back as a character would mean he wouldn't be able to persevere. All the Slayers are capable of taking amazing amounts of punishment and keep going, it's part of their Dragon nature.
- Dragon Slayers are not dragons. They are mages that learned magic from dragons. Roaring is not magic, it's something you do with your lungs and last time I checked Natsu didn't have dragon lungs. Surviving the Stellar Spirit Dimension is nothing special, Loki said humans can survive in there just like he did in the human world. Taking tomorrow's magic is a load of bullshit. That's using magic that hasn't been produced, in other words: HE'S USING MAGIC THAT DOESN'T EVEN EXIST YET. I would have been fine with Natsu just surpassing his limits but no, he has to use future magic to win. So you'd be okay with Natsu using up all of next year's magic to one-hit kill Hades? And determination can only go so far. A determined 8 year old can't defeat a healthy 15 year old in a straight up fistfight. Even if Happy wanted to win with all of his soul, he would never defeat Makarov.
- Dragon Slayers' bodies clearly no longer are similar to regular mages and they can take a lot more damage than them. They do incorporate dragon-like traits such has the pointy teeth and the element of their dragon (Gazille body turning into metal), something that is even more apparent in Dragon force mode. And yes, there's also the fact that his and Natsu's bodies are apparently older than 80 years,not your regular mage body, then. And you can argue that the roar was there precisely to show that compared to fake Dragon Slayers who have a copy of the elemental aspect of the Dragon Slayer magic, true Dragon Slayer are able to do more due to their bodies having evolved changed when mastering the DS magic, making them more dragon-like.
- Why would Happy even be fighting Makarov in the first place? And you don't know he couldn't win. There's a difference between determination for you and determination for others. Fighting for your family's safety brings more strength than simply fighting for your own. And when did Loki say that? The reason Loki could survive on Earthland is through his own magic, but a mage's magic doesn't mean much in a place said to have no air. The whole "surpassing your limits" is what the "tomorrow's magic" means. We don't know how the magic works or anything. Mages just can use magic from within themselves. We don't know how it's made, or if it's even produced so much as regained. I'm fine with the "magic is just magic" up to a certain extent, and Fairy Tail just hasn't reached that. I'm not bothered by the flawed logic because we just shouldn't know some of the inner workings of magic. Guren isn't the utimate DS technique, because we haven't seen Wendy or Gazille use them. In fact, we've just seen Gazille use something similar to what Natsu did. Gazille just used "Karma Demon: Iron God Sword" only 8 chapters ago. Next, Natsu uses "Fire Dragon God's Brilliant Flame". And we don't know the inner workings of the Dragon Slayers. They use magic that makes them more draconic. Hence the scales? And I'm not Natsu, so I don't know where he got the idea. He was already on fire, it wasn't going anywhere. We don't know much of anything about anything and you just immediately chalk it up to crap. I hate to be that kinda guy, but I have to ask: why are you still reading? It seems that since the very beginning you've hated his victories. I'm not bothered by anything that hasn't been explained because it's part of Shonen that the main character does win by whatever odds. I like Fairy Tail, and I'm not bothered by anything in it. You're free to keep bitching about stuff but, seriously, relax, and just enjoy it. Things seems to be moving towards explaining magic so you may get your answers, or more to complain about.
- We've actually discussed this in the forum thread for Fairy Tail, you're welcome to poke around. I was similarly disappointed with this particular fight but it wasn't as much an Ass Pull as Aetherion was, in my opinion.
- It's easier to swallow if you consider that Zancrow could have just been talking out of his ass, because it seemed to me that him naming his own magic God-Slayer was just his ego talking. Doesn't answer how Natsu got the idea, but does give credence to Natsu having the ability to eat the flames.
- Ok I'll try to sheet some light into this.
- First of all the whole Etherion eating complains is just bugging me, Natsu can use and eat fire, Gazille metal and Wendy air, what does that tells us? that humans can harness the power of close to if not everything, but it damages the body so what Dragons actually taught them was how to perfect these abilities, it was pretty much, first I'll teach you how to absorb the power of other things, but yeah I'm a "insert type" dragon so I can only teach you how to perfect the use of this type. It was said that Natsu ate Laxus lightning and got sick so he already knew he could, just that it was a terrible idea because of the large drawbacks unless you were in such a desperate situation.
- The flame of Rebuke incident, Jellal was shown 2 minutes before to be capable of using fire type magic (and it's clear he pretty much just uses different types of magic instead of focusing on one thing) it's not an Asspull that he had it simply because it's never said it can't be used to attack, he just figured, well fire dragon slayer who gets stronger by eating fire, or single powerful fire attack that might not one-hit-ko the bad guy, miss, etc.
- And finally the battle with Zancrow, seriously? are we really doing this? Natsu's a fire user, he eats fire, he battles using fire, is it so unbelievable that he learned a better fire eating method? I fear the day when Gazille extends from just eating iron to eating other metals.
Ultear. Just Ultear.
- Brainwashing of my favorite character aside, she's become downright creepy as of chatper 222. Beating Zeref is one thing, I can totally let that slide for the sake of plot, but snuggling with the body of a man you beat unconcious is downright wrong. She'll be in my nightmares.
What happened to deconstructing/reconstructing Determinator
I really liked the fight between Gildarts and Natsu because it took that damn Shonen trope and pointed out some of its flaws
(sometimes it's just not that serious
, sometimes you really ARE just incredibly outclassed
, sometimes it takes more that just power to win
...) And then came the fight between Natsu and Zancrow and not that I was completely unhappy that Natsu won but
it's like Natsu has learned NOTHING. And now he wants to take on the guy who one-shot Makarov
out of vengeance
. While one of the things this arc is supposed to show that power isn't everything
, has Natsu
just NOT thought about the implications of his declaration? If Natsu can't beat Gildarts and Makarov is presumably stronger than Gildarts and Purehito curbstomped Makarov on one of his better days (unlike Aria, who got lucky that one time) how's he expect to pull this one off?
Something else that bothers me but I kinda get is the refusal to let Doranbalt remove people from the island. Yes, Doranbalt has some 'splainin' to do
but he's right
: there's injured people on the island and they need to be moved and put somewhere sorta safe before they're attacked again or Aetherion hits
. In summary, I want Natsu to actually have a plan besides "ATTACK!"
- The scariest part? Mashima's going to run with it. Gildarts's lesson will be forgotten forever. Yes, the fact that our hero has just doomed his entire guild to be blown up to atoms will be ignored. As much as I don't like to say it, Fairy Tail is a shounen after all and is doomed to jump into the same level of mediocrity.
- Now that's just unfair toward the other good shounen series...mind you, Fairy Tail isn't among them.
- Wait, last time I checked, everyone who talked to Doranbalt pretty much agreed to risk getting hit by Aetherion. So everyone is an idiot.
- Sorry if I offended anyone(second post's author here), but i'm really can't get over it that a competent main character for shounen is like a treasure. No matter how moronic, reckless, and just plain wrong hero is, he's forever has God on his side. No serious consequences, no anvils dropped, no rightful defeats, only repeated victories and the whole adventure's like a walk in the park. At this point I won't be surprised if the Council will drop the whole Aetherion thing and decide that this was all just a joke.
- Or they could, y'know, remember what happened the last time they dropped Etherion on something related to Zeref. Because that didn't end well for them, although granted it wasn't the same them.
- Um...hello! Who said they're going to fire Aetherion? Doranbolt stealing the communication Lachrima was specifically so they couldn't report that Zeref was there, and if they don't know this then they won't fire Aetherion.
- The recent chapter confirmed that cutting that Lachrima was useless and there is no way to stop the attack. Besides the obvious way.
- Well, I'm personally holding out for Natsu being set up for a major fall at the end of the arc, with his stubborn recklessness blowing up in his face, whether it be a curbstomping from Hades or Bluenote, the destruction of the island thanks to Etherion, the vision coming to pass, awakening Zeref, or any combination thereof.
- In 231 (the latest one out as of my typing this), Rustyrose just parroted Gildarts' advice. Mashima hasn't forgotten.
- I'm reiterating what someone answered in one of the previous questions above: Natsu did learn something from Gildarts, but it is, after all his personality to protect his friends and loved ones. Zancrow was threatening to kill Makarov and the Fairy Tail members on the island, while Bluenote revealed that they plan to wipe out everyone who can't use magic. They have Zeref too, and the council have proved themselves to be incompetent ungrateful bastards. Under these circumstances, it's understandable that Natsu chose to fight.
- Also, Natsu is actually fairy intelligent and can be quite cunning when he wants to. I recall the fake dragon slayer, the one that can read/hear thoughts, said something along the lines of "You have four very clever plans, but those won't work because I already know yaddayadda."
- To which Natsu's response was "Oh, you can hear my thoughts with your super-powered ears? Point blank dragon's roar!" He's not stupid, he just doesn't consider anything further than five minutes into the future.
- I actually think that was a really clever plan, not only because he's taking advantage of Dragon Slayers having over-augmented senses, but because he actually has a move by that name. Cobra was expecting firebreath, not a literal roar, and Natsu tripped him up with the wordplay involved.
- I think that Gildartz's lesson was "don't be a reckless idiot for your own sake". Don't possibly kill yourself over your own pride. But if there's other, bigger things at stake (like say, your True Companions), oh yeah, keep fighting until the end!
- Frankly I took it like this too. The lesson is about what it means to be an S-Rank mage. To go on missions where not only power may be necessary, but skill in thinking outside the box and challenges that might not be as obvious as fighting the strongest baddie you can find and beating him until he stops. If there's anything the main S-Rank mission the group went on showed us, it's that the mission isn't necessarily over if you win. However Natsu is a person who regularly challenges strong people just because he can, wanting to prove something to himself over everything else. Granted he also does this when the chips are down, but the basic point of the lesson was this from what I could tell: There are people out there who can always outmatch you, just like there are people there who you also completely outmatch. You must know when is the time to fight and when to stop and let your lust for battle go. Fighting just for the sake of fighting is not something that should be tolerated from the strongest of the strong. In knowing your weakness, you can be aware of your fear, and in turn be aware of the fear of others. As Gildartz said directly, in learning the lesson he must be both strong and kind which is necessary of an S-Class mage. <-This bit in particular was key. Basically if you are granted the S-class ranking, you must know when to stop beating the ever loving crap out of people, as well as when to avoid a fight you can't win when other options are available. This interpretation has the added benefit of tying into both the reason why Natsu in particular had to learn this lesson, the dude doesn't know when to quit sometimes even when it's simply not the time, as well as tying into the lesson Erza learned about not dying but living for her comrades.
What was Meledy thinking?
Using magic to link feelings of you and your enemy is already a double-edged sword as it is, but using it on Fairy Tail members, who are known for relying heavily on their feelings, is downright idiotic. It is not like it is a secret that Fairy Tail uses happiness bombing and are unorthodox, Hades was Macarov's predecessor after all.
- I think she forgot about that.
Meledy: If I die, he dies too. So, you can't stop me. Perfect plan!
Juvia: Hey, ever heard of happiness bomb?
- It seems as though she wasn't expecting the link to transfer emotions as well. That is, no thought transfer, and simply physical senses. Another possibility is that she simply didn't expect Juvia to have that kind of emotion, after calling it a "dead end of despair".
- How old is Meredy at this point? From the way she looks, probably not older than 14. Young teens aren't exactly good at thinking things through.
No school system??
- Lucy is first introduced as a 17-year-old. Surely in any country (excluding UK) 17 year-olds are still required to go to school. Granted, she may have been home tutored what with being a rich heiress but what about Wendy, who's 12?? Do mages not have the need to go to school like normal people?
- Seeing as how no official school has ever been shown just yet...perhaps not. The story isn’t exactly clear on that.
- Actually, most countries don't require 17 year olds to go to school. In America I believe you have to go till 16, not sure on Japan. The series seems to be sorta medieval anyways, it is possible that there are no schools, just guilds and apprenticeships. It is also possible that mage guilds, which seem to start teaching kids magic at a young age, also handle general education for their young mages like Wendy. As for Lucy, she is a runaway after all.
- There's gotta be a school somewhere. How else would Gajeel have taken a job from one? It's probably just not that inforced.
- Most children probably just learn a trade from their parents or a guild. In that way, you wouldn't need to go to school unless you're becoming a scholar in a particular field. And Wendy probably got a lot of her education from Grandeeney anyways.
- A lot of shonen battle manga don't mention schools. This is obviously not Earth, and since mages can get jobs from guilds, an education was probably not considered necessary in this world. Who knows what the 90% normal people are doing. The general rule in fiction is that if it's never mentioned, it probably isn't an issue.
- There does not seem to be one since Natsu, Gray, and Erza all ended up at a guild when they were children. They also stay that Natsu had to work for his food money when he was a child and no one really questioned it. So there is most likely not school system.
- Shortly after he entered the guild, Gajeel took a mission in a magic school. Plus, after the time skip, Romeo confess to Natsu and others that he attended a fire magic class. So yes, there are school systems in FT world. But it also seems to be a feudalistic-like world. So going to school is probably not an obligation and apprenticeship may be an important part of youngs education (there are guilds for every type of work).
What were Hades' followers thinking?!
- Tying into the "90% of people don't use magic" above, the whole idea of eliminating everyone who can't use magic is patently ludicrous. Even in an extremely advanced society with equally-advanced agricultural methods, it takes at least 30% of the workforce actively producing food to support a society anywhere close to realistically. And that's just food, not even counting all of the various other jobs besides magehood which make up 98% of everything required to run a society. In a more archaic society (Magitek notwithstanding, they still have a monarchy and a noble class if "Duke Everlue" is any indication), it was closer to 70% of the population just making food, much of it subsistence farming. So if they succeeded in making a 'world for mages', they would all starve to death relatively quickly, as from what I can tell most mages don't have any major training outside of their magic and/or fighting.
- That isn't even taking into consideration that they'd have to conquer the entire world to complete their objective, not just Fiore, which is implied to be one small country out of many, though a powerful country. I mean, they do travel the country's entire width on the train in less than a day. And not even on a bullet train or anything. Plain old steam locomotives. They don't travel much faster than a car, and in fact averaged about 50 mph. So Fiore's probably not much bigger than, say, Texas at the most. And while Texas is pretty big, it isn't even close to "the whole world". So even if they achieve their objective here, they'll have to face the rest of the world with no reliable source of supplies, no people to create those supplies, and no one to take care of the zillion other things that make a society a society. And the more they conquered, the worse their condition would get.
- Apparently the "World of Magic" would boost the powers of mages like Hades' followers so they wouldn't need the normal people anymore. Meredy for one was under the delusion that she could restore her Doomed Hometown in the World of Magic. Urtear also thought her Time Master powers would be enhanced so she could get back her lost childhood. And it's not like Grimoire Heart's members are particularly sane anyway.
Seriously, Luxus should be dead.
- Okay, this may take some explaining. I have a theory about why people seem to take insane amounts of magical damage without dying, which explain (to a decent degree) why the people have survived up to this point. The way magic is explained (the flow from within meeting and mixing with the flow from without), implies that mages have the ability to take in energy from outside themselves and redirect or change it in some way, which would in turn imply that they have some kind of buffering or dampening system in place to keep them from being harmed by their own magic. This is supported by Ultear's past, which claimed that her magic power as a child was too great for her body hold, and this could be theoretically fixed. This also makes Dragon Slayer more credible as a magic anyone could theoretically learn, since it's really just an enhancement of this intrinsic ability in mages. That would explain both how Dragon Slayers eat their own elements and convert it into magic, and why they're far more resistant to magical damage that doesn't come from another Dragon Slayer. It also explains why raw physical force or damage is not blunted in the same way as purely magical attacks. This explains why Visca Moulin survived the magical backlash of shooting the lachryma crystal Luxus had set up as part of his Thunder Palace or whatever. Her body automatically absorbed and deflected the worst of the damage. But. In the last chapter, Luxus took an extremely powerful magical attack without the buffer of his own magic. He literally gave his magic to Natsu (not going into that particular implausibility right now), leaving himself defenseless. And he survived the attack well enough to grin and explain his motivations. Erza was shocked that he would take the hit without his magic... implying that yes, having magic power left in you actually does protect you from other magic to a degree. And it's not like magic can't kill you, or that Hades was trying to not kill Luxus, or even holding back at all. So. What the fuck?
- Luxus is just that awesome? There doesn't really seem to be another explanation.
- Just to note, even without his magic power he's still built like a tank, which I would imagine helps considerably when taking hits.
Is there any known reason over why she wants to avoid love as much as she has? Trivia
says that her favorite type of guy is an assertive one, but (in an omake) she chose her friends over a possible romance.
- I think it's more about Mashima not wanting to depict romance in the story, even if it goes against the characters.
The guards around the heart
Hades had 7 uber mages, the ability to make nigh indvunerable demons, and that Blue Note creep. Why send them out or hold them back and leave nameless fodder to guard his heart?
- He probably figured the Seven Kin would be more useful out on the field. Blue Note was doing his own thing looking for Fairy Glitter. Hades himself was staying near his heart and probably thought nothing would go wrong if he was nearby. And it's not like the fact that he receives unlimited magic from the heart is common knowledge — Happy and Charle didn't even know that it was Hades' power source when they destroyed it. Still, it would make sense to install better security measures to protect your own source of power than a bunch of nameless mooks.
Loke teaming up with Gray
The rules stated you had to team up with a member, which Loke claimed to be, but didn't he sorta quit the guild in his arc? He was returned to the spirit world before he could rejoin. Did they just decide to let him become a member again in spite of being Lucy's summon? When would that have happened anyway?
- Well guilds or at least Fairy Tail doesn't have restrictions about species given that Happy and Charle are members, so I guess there is no problem with a Stellar Spirit being a member. And Leo/Loke is capable of returning to earth any time he wants using his own powers.
I'm really glad everybody on the island survived
, I really am.note
But... was she
foreshadowed or something? I know this is a manga about mages after all and weird things happen all the time
but come on!
It wouldn't taken a lot of panels to foreshadow her
or anything. You're better than that, Mashima!! I'm not even confused about the magic she
used. I mean, Fairy Law and Fairy Glitter
exist for crying out loud. Fairy Sphere
is a mostly logical step up from those. But it still could have been implemented better.
- BTW, when I say "her," I mean her spirit. I'd actually believe without any problems at all that they were protected just because her grave was there. Hell, it'd even make sense why Makarov chose Tenrou Island as a base for the exam: to minimize fatal injuries.
- She appears for a full page in the chapter where the chapter where the island is destroyed
- Before Makarov attacked the Grimoire Heart ship, he was at her gravesite and he asked her to protect the guild members on the island.
- She actually was foreshadowed several times in the arc during the battle. We often saw her in a few panels watching the battle. It was mostly a case of "Who's she? Who's that? What's that girl doing here. Oh shit, it's the first!" for the readers.
Spirit World Time
For the sake of the joke, I'll let it slide that the time difference happened to coincide with the time the cast had, but if time passes slower in the celestial/stellar world, then what about all those times Aquarius went on dates. She had a two week vacation once. Either she was trying to talk Lucy into giving her over three years off or she was really only spending a couple hours with Scorpio.
- Knowing Aquarius, I wouldn't put that last part by her.
Fairy Tail's team lineup
So the team for the new Tournament Arc
is Natsu, Gray, Erza, Lucy, and Wendy. Laxus and Gajeel being too late to enter
is understandable; shit happens. Why couldn't they get ahold of Gildarts? I'm sure he'd drop whatever he was doing to help out for a few days; despite never being around, he loves Fairy Tail and will do anything he can to help his guild. And Mira is readily available! Why doesn't she take Lucy's spot? Seriously, why is Lucy even there to begin with. Yeah, she's got enormous potential, but she is useless
- Raven Tail is gonna be there. Laxus and Gajeel can't be there because for story purposes, it would sort of be conflict of interests. Who knows, though? Maybe they'll show up anyway just Rule of Drama.
- Gildarts had no interest in the Games and left the guild to go on another long journey. He even said it was their responsibility to make the guild respectable again. Mirajane didn't come back until Elfman and Lisanna did, but Elfman beat her to joining the team in Wendy's absence. And as for Lucy being "useless," that's an entirely different debate altogether.
- Lucy is capable of doing a lot of things. Her problem is that when the fight isn't going her way, her brain just stops. That, or some one steals her keys.
- As it turned out, Lucy was very capable of battling in the Games, and would have actually won in her battle had Raven Tail not fight dirty
- Turns out that those characters (aside from Gildartz) are on Fairy Tail's B-team.
- I think a bigger question here is why Makarov didn't stick all his aces on the one team. I do understand that that is kinda an "all your eggs" scenario but ( especially with the last minute Jellal addition) why he didn't go with Jellal, Laxus, Mira, Erza and then pick, say, Natsu or Gajeel, then stick all his other top tiers in the B Team is completely beyond me. Let's be honest here, a team that stacked would have about as much a chance of losing as Alexander the Great in Persia. His B team would be pretty badass as well, Gray, Lucy, Wendy, Natsu/Gajeel and Juvia.
- Except the 'team' is more than bunch of powerhouses. As Erza said, when Makarov named the team line-up, coordination between team members is more critical then power level of every single mage in it. So put in one bottle Erza, Natsu, Gray, Lucy and Wendy, and you'll have balanced team which can achieve enormous heights, but mix together Natsu, Laxus and/or Gajeel, for example,... BOOM! Even later, when they actually have proper motivation to work together as a team, they are still rivals at very least.
- Granted the team needs to have some cooperation to work, but Jellal and Erza would obviously get along great with eachother, neither of them has a real problem with Laxus anymore, who himself doesn't harbour any real aggression towards the guild at this point, Mira is a sweetheart and can work with just about anyone and while Natsu/Gajeel are a little rowdy and don't always think clearly, they do have the best interests of the guild at heart and have proven in the past that when it really counts(like the end of the Edolas arc) they are willing to put their rivalries aside and work together. On top of which, if nothing else, they are all pretty much gauranteed to win their individual duels against most of the people there(so long as nobody interferes *cough*Ultear*cough*), and all have an at least reasonable shot at the competitions(except poor Natsu on the vehicles). As far as power synergy goes as well, we have 4 Lightning Bruisers: Jellal, Erza, Mira, Laxus, and Natsu himself while not as fast or straight up powerful(normally) as the others is no slouch in either department, all 5 of them can fight in melee or range if they need to, 3 of them can actively fly, the other 2 can get around so well they may as well be able to, 2 of them have a super mode that boosts their powers beyond their already ridiculous heights, their abilities cover a very broad range as far as types go go, We have at least 4 Determinators the only one who hasn't proven himself one yet is Laxus, but he can take it just as well as he can give it... that sounds like a pretty strong team all in all in my opinion.
- Who saves the day at the end of almost every story arc? Team Natsu. Makorav was Genre Savvy enough to realise that they should be on the same team, since theyv'e had a hand in every crisis since Lucy joined the guild, and Jellal thought that something bad was going to go down at the games. They work well together, are pretty powerful, had experience working together as a team(whereas Erza and Natsu have more experience fighting Laxus and though they could have a civilized conversation, things were still awkward between Erza and Jellal), and he could still put any one else he didn't want to waste on another team. Plus, Natsu (in the anime at least, I'm not that far in the manga) refuses to do missions without Lucy, so he might of just asked for her to be on his team.
Wendy's healing magic
She run's out of magical power quickly from using it to heal wounded characters... then why not eat some air and recover the power you just lost and go back to healing?
- I figured it's not slayer magic. She can do roars and such like the other dragon slayers, but none of them can use support magic. My best guess it that Wendy is using two different types of magic, and eating air can only affect one type.
- But she is a sky dragon slayer, her healing magic was described as sky magic. And even if it can only boost her sky attacks, it should still recover her magical power.
- Sky Dragon Slayer magic just seems to be different. Wendy has never consumed the air as Natsu and Gajeel have to Fire and Metal. She has merely tasted the air and commented on what it tastes like.
- The only problem with that argument is that she actually does eat air in order to acquire enough power for an offensive spell. Sky god slayers can heal too so it probably is tied into the dragon slayer magic. Not being able to charge it is probably a weird clause Mashima added in to keep her form being over powered, like how she can't heal herself.
- On the same subject: Does Hiro Mashima just forget about Wendy's healing powers whenever it's convenient for the plot? In the Eclipse Cannon arc, Future Lucy takes a sword to the stomach and dies while Wendy is standing right there.
Raven Tail a legal guild
Considering the how the council is concerning Fairy Tail. How the hell were Raven Tail made a legal guild?
- We don't know yet. We just have to assume they pulled some legal trickery and have friends in high places. Besides, the council mainly dislikes Fairy Tail due to their destructive tendencies, and we've seen no evidence that Raven Tail is anything like that.
Flare holding Asca hostage
Not that I'm for the beating of innocent little girls but if Flare actually HAD
hurt Asca, certainly she could have been openly disqualified note
and Lucy would've won the round. If Makarov and Alzack had reported the incident, there's no way it wouldn't have carried weight.
- Because the judges are too dumb to realize what Flare's doing, and she's probably just holding some sort of Batman Gambit, knowing that Lucy will halt her attacks if she saw an innocent about to be hurt.
- I think she cares a lot more about Asca getting hurt, than whether or not Raven Tail would had been disqualified for doing so.
- As its later revealed Raven Tail doesn't give a crap about winning. They're simply there to harass Fairy Tail and try to get someone to spill what that thing in the basement is. Worried about getting thrown out due to cheating wasn't even an issue.
- Another thing to ask here is if Flare is suicidal. Sure it may have been an effective tactic, but what would she have done if Lucy called her bluff? Actually hurt the kid? I didn't get the impression she was that stupid. If she had actually hurt her, let's think about what exactly would have happened to her. Erza, Mira, Jellal, Laxus, Natsu, Gray, Lucy, Gajeel, Juvia, Elfman, Ever, Fried, Alzack, etc. would have all proceeded to kick the ever living shit out of her. Alzack and Bisca may have actually killed her. Sure Raven Tail may have stepped in to help her, but there is no way in hell they could stand up to all of Fairy Tail, and that's not even counting Makarov who may very well have just whipped out the Fairy Law on the spot to make her submit or die. And let's not forget and the First Master here, who could stand up to Ancologia while dead. God only knows what would have happened if she had stepped in. And this isn't even counting all the other people in that arena who would have stepped in, like Jura for example. Honestly if Lucy had thought about it she would probably have called the bluff, or at least outlined if Flare knew the consequences of actaully going through with it, because as hardcore a guild as Raven Tail is, there is no way in hell it would be willing to fight that entire arena at once. And possibly die in the process.
- Even more weight is added to this when one remembers that Laxus beat the entirety of the Raven Tail team alone with one hit each.
- I'd say Flare isn't so much suicidal as she is ignorant of Fairy Tail's opinion on people who hurt their friends. I can certainly imagine some form of retribution being inflicted on her by Alzack and Bisca at the least, but how would Flare know this? Raven Tail doesn't seem to have a good deal of reliable info on Fairy Tail, remember Ivan claiming they were an Anti-Fairy Tail guild?
- They have plenty of reliable info. Makarov is Ivan's father and Ivan must know how Makarov feels about people hurting his "children" even if he doesn't understand it. Taking that into account threatening to hurt the child of some of the guild members doesn't seem like the best plan. Aside from that, the whole hostage plan was based around exploiting Fairy Tail's extreme protectiveness. It's a good thing Lucy is about as smart as an automated spirit-summoning Lacryma or their whole plan would have backfired on them.
- To be fair to Lucy, she's not the kind of person who would take that risk, even if Raven Tail had info on Fairy Tail, she herself didn't know how crazy Raven Tail was, and in the little time he has know about them, she believes Flare would do hurt Asca. It's not about whether Fairy Tail would take revenge for Asca on Flare or the whole guild, but only in preventing Asca getting hurt for a tournament.
- I guess, but you have to admit that there is a point to be made here. Raven Tail may want to screw over Fairy Tail, and it may be more important to them than the tournament, but they probably aren't willing to die for it. And even if they are under the impression at that point that they have an anti-Fairy Tail guild and are set up to win against the major players, they surely must realize that they won't win against the whole guild at once. Thus threatening a child of the guild seems stupid, I mean all it would take is ONE wrong move on Flare's part, or one of the Guild Members to happen to look at the ground for whatever reason or hell even to have Asca turn around and the plan blows up in their face. It wasn't a very good plan and only worked because they were lucky and Lucy didn't think it through enough.
- Well, they did get that right about Fairy Tail: they're very impulsive and don't think very far, even less in the heat of a battle. Plus, they were very confident: for the last seven years Fairy Tails became the laughing stock of the guilds, and didn't though that a bunch of kids would change that very much, and remember that Fairy Tail(both teams) started losing the tournament, so there is no reason for them to believe they couldn't take them, even if Fairy Tail were more. It was a stupid plan, but Flare doesn't seem very smart or stable to think of anything better.
- They thought they could win, Ivan made what he called an anti-fairy guild and who knows how many other members he had, if you take the overpowerment the author gave FT out of the equation, it makes perfect sense.
- Presuming you are right(which you easily could be upon reflection), are they arrogant enough to think they can take on Lamia Scale and Blue Pegasus at least at the same time? Because they for sure would step in to help Fairy Tail, not to mention Mermaid Heel and Quatro Puppy(arc isn't over yet and they lost the bet!) seem like decent enough people so they would probably help as well. Not to mention all the gaurds around who would have to step in if only to keep up appearances. I know I am nitpicking and that the plan did have a possibility of success that didn't depend on "it works because the author wants it to" but it still bugs me that Lucy didn't even try to think of a way out of it and just accepted it.
- But Lucy had two choices, either lose a tournament round, or let the small child of your two friends be at best, badly injured, the choice was clear to a member of the nakama above everything guild. Not to mention that while the members of Blue Pegasus that know Lucy might believe her (there's no reason for Quatro Cerberus/Puppy to get involved, and they don't have that kind of relationship with Lamia Scale) there's still little proof other than Lucy's words, that and FT had never asked for help on that matter before, like when they were attacked first by Phantom Lord or even when Lucy was unfairly arrested in the tournament.
- The only reason I mention Quatro Puppy and Lamia Scale is that they seem to be decent individuals and if they saw what Flare was doing they would probably done something, if only alert the gaurds. And the proof of her words is sitting right there in the open, all Fairy Tail has to do is look beside them to see it, and if noticed the whole plan backfires. Which is the root argument I have been making the entire time, the plan was stupid and took a not insignificant amount of luck on Flare's and derp on Lucy's part to work. Lucy did not have two options, she could most likely have bluffed(does it even count as a bluff if you are telling the truth?) Flare on the point by pointing out that if she said anything Flare was screwed legally whether she hurt the kid or not, and if Flare did go through with the threat she was in for a world of hurt(anti-guild or not she must be aware that if the entire guild of fairy tail focus fired her she would be royally screwed), not to mention would still be legally screwed. And even if Lucy had thought that the risk to the kid was too great, I would have had far less of a problem with that because that would mean she had actually tried to think of a solution rather than just go "Oh well I guess I should not use my brain and give in. Wouldn't want to give myself an aneurysm by thinking too hard." Then again this is Lucy we are talking about and she has not demonstrated the most astute mental capabilities in the past, not to mention a tendency to crack under pressure.
- Raven Tail is a team that has resentment towards Fairy Tail, they already attacked Wendy and told it to their faces (but no one else), and the small big chinned guy went specifically and only after Grey on the first game of the festival. Flare was skilled enough to do what she was doing completely unnoticed while thousands of people were watching her, which is where all the proof issue comes to face, even the members of FT themselves didn't found out (except for Natsu and that was only because of his hearing, which rather came out of no where). Not to mention that this was a girl that willingly entered a group that made it their goal to crush, hurt, humiliate, etc. Fairy Tail and should had already taken in mind and accepted the consequences long ago and that up until her apology she looked extremely messed up and sadistic.
- Fair point I suppose, Flare may have been crazy enough to just not care what happens to her, and people who are... a little out of it are noted for holes in their logic that frankly shouldn't be there so I guess that satisfies me. Doesn't make Lucy's lack of attempting to find another way out besides "let the shit get beaten out of me" any more acceptable though. Even if she had chosen that option in the end, at least making the attempt to find another solution would have been gratifying.
- She did, she tried to simply surrender, Flare covered her mouth and "then" started beating her.
- It's very likely that the reason why nobody noticed the little lock of Flare's hair appearing next to Asca is because everyone's attention was on the fight. While it would certainly take quite a bit of luck, the fact that Lucy was getting dominated makes it all the more plausible for everyone in the audience to be too distracted to notice what Flare was up to. The lock of red hair was small enough that the only ones who could've noticed it without actively looking for it was Fairy Tail, who were way too concerned for Lucy to tear their eyes away from the fight for even one second. It's a good thing Natsu had super hearing.
Many of my problems with Fairy Tail fall in the "good idea, bad implementation" route, as i enjoy the series as a whole, but the plot holes could sink the Royal Navy. My case in point is a specific moment in Ultear's backstory where she escapes the Magical Research Facility, goes to see her mother, gets within sight of her, sees her with other children, then immediately loses all hope, starts hating Ul, and turns around to go submit to testing with her new life-goal of committing matricide. She was in sight of her mother!
A simple spurt of rage and going "what the hell, mom?" would have called Ul's notice to her and fixed her entire life. The stranger part is it would have been easier to just have her captors show her images of Ul with Gray and Lyon and have Ultear reach those conclusions while in their care. It just... makes your brain hurt.
- Is that all? well, I guess that anger makes you do stupid thing, and I know that from personal experience. I think that she was so angry and upset at seeing Ur/Ul with other two "sons" that she immediatly assumed the worse and decided to storm off.
- I think you're asking too much from a small kid.
Jiemma and Sting
Ok, mister Douchebag Bozu Jiemma, the master of Sabretooth, kicked Yukino out of the guild for losing a fight against a much more powerful opponent. Then, if he's so strict, why doesn't he at least scold Sting as well for quitting the Chariot challenge and ending last? Ok, I know that probably Sting's a better resource than Yukino, but still he did failed his challenge.
- He did, he's been warned that he wont be forgiven next time, after all no one knew what the challenge was going to be, and Jiemma told Yukino that it wasn't just that she lost, but that by making such a bet, she made their reputation decrease even furder.
Why doesn't Erza win every fight?
She's been shown on at least two occasions to be able to surround a target with innumerable swords and control the movement of any sword she summons. She should be able to turn any opponent into hamburger meat within 5 seconds, or at least bind them (hands and feet). No matter what the opponent's magic, every fight with her should be over in less than a minute. Other than Rule of Drama
, why does she still have drawn out battles?
- Because, as shown during the Fighting Festival Arc, she needs time and energy to summon weapons and fling them around. And there are plenty of opponents who can still counterattack this (like Midnight, to quote some) or can just outrun them and hit her. Summoning a very powerful weapon and attacking the opponent can be a better strategy, as it leaves him/her less time to prepare his own magic.
Why did Mystogan feel the need to hide his face
He looked like Jellal. Yeah, that's kind of a problem. It wasn't when he first showed up, though. He didn't bother to wear a mask around Wendy and really there's no reason he should have ever started. Makarov acted as though Mystogan was one of their veterans, and Jellal, no matter how skilled he was, could't have been much younger when he managed to convince people that he could totally hold a major political position. He probably hadn't even been a councilor for a year, so there's no reason Mystogan should have been worried about people thinking he looked like someone else until then-at which point everyone would have known anyway. Even if he was worried about the offhand chance of meeting someone who knew Jellal it's not hard to say "Oh, there's some guy who looks just like me? Wow. Weird." He couldn't have even hid himself for Erza's sake, since he'd have had no way of knowing about her relation to Jellal until after the tower incident since he threatened to kill everyone if she ever said a word about it
. Really, the only way he could have known looking the same as Jellal would be a problem was if Erza saw him once and flipped out, but she didn't, because she had her moment of shock during Laxus's arc.
- Mystogan didn't wear a mask around Wendy when he first met her because he was still a newcomer to Earthland and had no idea there was a parallel version of himself running around. Presumably, once he settled in and got to know Earthland a bit more, he figured it was a better idea to hide his identity just in case. We can assume that Porlyusica did the same once she first arrived in Earthland, and continued to do so until she found out her counterpart was a dragon, and thus had no physical resemblance to her.
- That's the thing though. What 'just in case'? There's absolutely no harm in looking like someone else. He'd only have needed to bother if he knew Jellal was evil, and there's no way that he could have known. Jellal kept himself a secret (at least in the manga) until the Tower arc started.
- I don't know about you, but if I ran into a completely identical version of myself - whether good or evil - I think that'd raise quite a lot of questions. Mystogan probably just wanted to avoid that.
- He probably got to meet parallel versions of people he knew in Edolas, some maybe with enough diferences to make him think the "just in case my parallel turns out to be a psychopath or something"
- He looks exactly like Jellal, yes. By that logic, he would have looked like Siegrain as well who is/was a famous wizard. Who wants to go outside being asked questions like "Wow, Siegrain! What are you doing here?" or "What's one of the Ten Great Wizard Saints doing a job for me?" Best idea was to completely hide your face.
- Siegrain couldn't have been on the council for long, but Mystogan was indicated to have been a member for a while. By the time he knew about Siegrain everyone in the guild ought to have known what he looked like.
- In the end, Mystogan decided to hide his face to prevent confusion. This was before he knew Jellal was evil or before Siegrain came to be. They weren't factors. He just eventually realized what Earthland was and disguised himself so that he would never be mistaked for Jellal, just in case. Maybe he felt he might be interfering in Jellal's life? Who knows. Seigrain showing up was an unexpected possible complication. And in the end Mystogan's crazy idea just in case, turned out to be a good idea since both Jellal became a wanted criminal.
In Chapter 286
Everyone is keeping an eye on Ivan and the Team Raven Tail, though They're all an illusion summoned by Ivan himself so that he and his team can gang up on Laxus, but then, shouldn't Erza be able to see that something's wrong? Remember, her fake eye makes her less vulnerable to illusions... unless Ivan is that good...
- We didn't see her reaction (or Mavis' either, come to think of it) after it happened, so maybe it'll be covered in the next chapter. Or yeah, it could be handwaved with the whole "his illusions are just way more powerful" or something.
- Well, the Illusion's power might be justified if you think that Ivan made his team specifically for counter Fairy Tail, but as a former member, shouldn't he be able to see Mavis? Hence thinking that maybe carrying out his villainous plans in front of her couldn't be the brightest of moves?
- Mavis said only those who have the Fairy Tail stamp on them can see her. Given that Ivan was expelled from Fairy Tail, his stamp was probably removed, and given his personality, he probably would have removed it himself anyway. Of course, we don't know if Laxus' stamp was removed when he was expelled (and reapplyed when he rejoined), or whether Jellal can see Mavis, so this point might be moot. But the possbility's there, and I can't see Mavis not doing something about it if she can see the illusion.
- Erza isn't immune to magic involving eyes, she's 'resistant' to it. I think she could see through the illusion, if she knew where to look. Cheating with illusions was just unexpected.
God Slayer Magic
Last time I checked, "gods" were supposed to be positive (if sometime jerkass) entities. Then why the elemental God Slayer magic is colored black and always seems so... evil? Shouldn't it be, dunno, like Dragon Slayer but stronger?
- Is it that strange? There have been plenty of times in fiction when the Gods have not been portrayed sympathetically. In mythology as well. Also, there have only been two god slayers so far, with one being Ax-Crazy and part of a dark guild, while the other has been revealed to good. So I wouldn't say God Slayer Magic is evil. it seems to depend on the user, though we'll need to see more of them first.
- Alternatively, is dark because darkness is required to harm a god. Who knows...
Ivan Dreyer's mother
And for that matter, Laxus' mother, will we ever find out what they were like? Are they even still alive?
- It all depends if they're important (like Lucy's mother) or not (like Cana's mother).
If Dragon Slayers have such a good sense of smell, then why the hell didn't Natsu notice that Cana and Gildarts were related?
- because smells don't work like that?
- Really? I thought it was a proven study that animals could use smell to tell who their parents/children are. Can't they do the same for people?
- yes because they already sniffed them and know the smell, each individual has a distinctive smell, that's why if you use a dog to search they'll find the specific person and not their relatives.
- Besides, Cana probably doesn't smell like anything but booze.
When Wendy joined the guild everyone crowded around her asking questions and throwing a huge party. When Lucy joined the most notice she got past Mirajane stamping her was a few men offering the new cutie a spot on their team. What's up with that?
- To cheer Wendy up and make her feel welcome, the family and friends she knew most of her life just disappeared after all. Gajeel or Juvia didn't received a big party in their names either.
Why is the tournament such a big deal?
Fairy Tail was always the happy-go-lucky guild that never cared to much about how others viewed them. That is, until after the time-skip were they entered a magic tournament to restore their reputation, a tournament apparently important enough to break down in tears over. I can see a practical justification for this, in that a guild with poor reputation might have problems getting jobs, but qualifying for the tournament (with two teams, none the less) should be enough to get back on the market. Especially odd in Lucys match against the dirty-fighting Corona. A normal person would just say "Jeez, I give up. It's just a damn competition, let's not hold children hostage."
- Fairy Tail has always had a competitive attitude. Members like Natsu, Gray, Gajeel, even Erza sometimes, have always been enthusiastic to fighting one and other.
- Wasn't this adressed by Sting in the Chariot event? Natsu claimed it was for his friends or something.
- Makarov says at the very beginning that he wanted the prize money to buy the original guild out of foreclosure.
- And in Lucy case, she did try to surrender, but Corona wanted to make her suffer some more.
Lisanna being brought to Edolas by Anima
Okay, it's not that this bugs me in itself. She was sent flying and was sucked into a magic portal. Nothing wrong with that. My problem is that Anima was supposed to steal magic power from an area. Ignoring the question of why Mirajane wasn't brought with her, why exactly was she not turned into a lacryma like was supposed to happen?
- The best guess we have right now is that this was an early version of Anima that didn't have the qualities we saw in the Edolas arc. Also, turning them into a lacrima seemed to be specialised for the ETD plan and not have any use outside of that.
So Flare of Raven Tail decides to apologise to Lucy, obviously concerning her actions on the first day. After apologising, she stalks off. Considering she didn't look like she was going to enjoy the resort of Ryuuzetsu Land, why get into a swimsuit?
- She could just have been hanging out at Ryuuzetsu Land by herself, before Lucy and the rest of Fairy Tail arrived, and she decided to apologise.
Laxus knowing about Mystogan
How did Laxus know Mystogan was from Edolas? This served no real purpose other than to make them fight (Which would have happened anyway) and was never even explained.
- Laxus is Makarov's grandson, and probably had access to information he shouldn't have been able to see, whether Makarov knew this or not. This is probably also the reason why Ivan thought Laxus knew about Lumen Historie.
- Laxus peeked on him in the shower.
- I thought Laxus just knew he looked like Jellal? When Erza and Natsu came up, Laxus said something like, "Oh, you know him?"
Fighting Dark Guilds Is Illegal?
The Magic Council mentioned punishing Fairy Tail for fighting against another guild, the dark guild Oración Seis. After the time skip, Jellal mentions one of the reasons why his guild, Crime Sorcičre, wouldn't become official guild was that the Magic Council forbids fights between other guilds, including dark guilds. The problem is that when they were first introduced, dark guilds were described as guilds NOT recognized by the Magic Council, so they shouldn't count when it comes to the no fighting other guilds rule.
- The magic council has a problem with official guilds fighting dark guilds without permission, Fairy Tail fought a dark guild that was causing trouble, it was a mission, they didn't had a problem with the alliance fighting the oracion seis.
- But they still brought up how it broke the treaty that forbids fights between guilds.And Jellal says right here, fights between official guilds are forbidden, even dark guilds. The point of dark guilds is that they aren't recognized by the Magic Council, they aren't official, so why should dark guilds be affected by the treaty as well?
- In the link itself they explain why the council has to give permission to attack a dark guild, there's thread of retaliation, but this event still didn't get much strife as there was more of a debate of whether defeating the oracion seis was good or bad.
- My understanding is that dark guilds are guilds which take on jobs that are forbidden by the council and will still operate when ordered to disband. Not being recognized at all makes them an independent guild, and the rule about not attacking guilds applying to dark guilds as well is likely due to the exact reason the council gives. They don't want dark guilds retaliating when they aren't sure that they can handle it.
- Dark guilds don't listen to the council at all, not just what jobs they can take. In fact, they're pretty much labeled as criminal organizations. Which actually doesn't make them any different than an independent guild other than name, or at least not any different than Jellal's guild which doesn't listen to the council and is made up of two former members of a dark guild and an escaped convict.
- except the dark guilds are also suppose to all be part of the ballam alliance, except for raven tail.
- The Balam Alliance isn't actually the Dark Guilds, it's just the 3 strongest Dark Guilds who happen to control every other one out there. Dark Guilds are guilds that exist and continue to work but were never organised or recognised by the council.
- Approved Guilds can't fight Dark Guilds for the same reason your parents told you to never hit first. If an approved guild attacks a dark guild, then there a going to a huge amount of guilds being left to rubble in retaliation and the council would'nt feel any remorse since they attacked first. The Light Team that defeated Oracion Seis was organised by the council and was legit.
- The light team wasn't organized by the magic council but by the Fiore guild masters, they also attacked the oracion seis first, which is the debate the council was having, because after all they did defeat one of the 3 major powers of the balam alliance who was going to attack the world (at least fiore).
Is master Bob a man?
- Yes, he is. His debut said this didn't it?
Everyone forgetting how strong the Fairy Tail members are after Tenroujima
I mean, they were the strongest (with Lamia Scale and Blue Pegasus running a close second) and easily the most famous guild in Fiore, with some of their members (like Natsu) being borderline celebrities
, or Mirajaine who is an actual celebrity. It's only been seven years
so how on earth did everyone forget about the main members? I mean sure fame fades with time, the average citizen certianly wouldn't be able to talk about all the celebrities from 30 years ago unless that was their prime, but they should definatly be able to talk about the ones from the past decade. It's understandable that they might think that other guilds are stronger ( especially with all the S-class and their candidates gone
) but to completely forget about them? Mirajaine is a former super-model as well as being The Demon
, Erza is famed as The Fairy Queen Titania, Gildarts is Gildarts
, Natsu is known country wide at least by name, Laxus is pretty well known in his own right, as well as for being the grandson of Makarov, who is a Wizard Saint for crying out loud. Now, seven years
is long enough for them to slip out of public consciousness certainly, but not enough for everyone to forget just how brutally strong some of these members are. Take MC Hammer for example, most young kids wouldn't be able to tell you who he is, but everyone at least in their teens will know the name at least. It's the same here, everyone who was a kid at the time probably looked up to them as heroes and role models, those in their teens would probably think of them as a group of Badasses
and adults would at worst know of them as "those kids who wreck stuff" if nothing else. Seven years later all those people should still remember them, especially because of their mystery disappearance and not just blindly associate them with the joke Fairy Tail has become.
- They were indeed remembered, but their opponents were kids who never saw their true strength and who now thing they're all that (Sting, Rogue), but as with MC Hammer people just moved on to the next big stars, Sabertooth. It's like people who see boxers now and think that they would beat old celebrities like Ali if they were to fare with the new sensations on their prime. The people who still had doubts paired up with the rest of the now weak FT once Gray ended up in last place and Lucy failed to cast a spell, even when against a wizard saint, Jellal's lost didn't favor their image, add to that the dragonslayers pathetic display on the race. They started slowly turning the tables (Elfman) but everyone quickly did a 180 once they started amazing everyone (Erza and Cana), even the judges and commentators went from would they live up to their old hype to can the others beat these legends.
- OP here. I appreciate the explanation, and I can see people thinking Gray, Natsu, Lucy(who hilariously was a Memetic Badass in Fiore), Elfman... you know, the strong people, couldn't match up to the new celebs. But there is absolutely no excuse for thinking Erza, Mirajaine, Laxus... etc are jokes. Sure, you might think that the new ones are a bit better that's acceptable, but it just seemed that the majority of people assumed that since the new Fairy Tail is the butt of every joke, the S-Class from its glory days are jokes. They are S-Class for a reason, S-Class missions don't just become harder because time has passed, if they were monsters then they are monsters now. In fact, in my opinion, its more likely that a badass from the past would be more likely to be talked up then anything else, especially if they had the level of fame these people had(using the Ali example, it's very easy to find people who say Ali could dominate even harder today than in his day) but as I keep repeating (perhaps to much) they seem to just blindly associate them with the new Fairy Tail. Using the Ali example again, while people might think a new age boxer could beat him, I don't think ANYONE would think he is a joke, or wouldn't put up a fight. They would be more likely to say "That would be an epic match-up" rather than "He would kick Ali's ass with one hand". Joking aside of course. It kinda makes me wonder if people think GILDARTS, a man so dangerous they reconstruct a town every time he visits so he has a clear path, is pathetic. Or if people think Makarov Fairy Freakin Law Dreyar isn't worthy of being a Wizard Saint anymore.
- But they didn't think of the S class mages as a joke, team A on the other hand made a bad first impression by and barely making the preliminaries. Their perception was affected because of this, they see Gray and Mistgun losing and think that it's just the passage of time and they weren't as strong as they thought, or at least that they were strong but the new generation set up a new bar, which is how Sting and Rogue thought. They knew Natsu and Gajeel were strong, they just thought they were now stronger, that with time the bar was raised, and take in mind that this is only thought by regular people or people who were too young to know see their real strength, other mages that knew them knew better than this.
- The Grand Magic Games allowing the public to witness guilds fighting may be a factor in this. Before, sure Fairy Tail was always wrecking everything, but after 7 years of watching Sabertooth win the GMG and seeing Fairy Tail lose, that might have shaped their perception.
I get that its just there to be played for laughs, so that people will hear of "The Dreaded Lucy Heartfilia
" and they can work in some jokes with it, but I'm just kinda confused as to how she got this when the people on her team are already famous and with known awesomeosity
. Wouldn't it be more likely that people think she is just being carried by her more famous teammates (which to be honest she is for a long time)rather than the reverse?
- Lucy's not that much of a Memetic Badass in-universe that she overshadows the others. Natsu and Erza, at least, are still way more well known than she is. Many people probably think she is a badass by association just by being on their team and not being Overshadowed by Awesome (as much as expected, anyway).
- Oh no, I don't mean that she Overshadows them, just that I recall from early on a few gags where people saw her/ heard her name and went "Oh, Crap it's Lucy Heartfilia!" I was thinking that logically while people must think she is badass from associating with Natsu and Erza, but she seems to get alot more credit than she is due. If you go back to the early episodes you will see what I mean, for example in episode five when Lucy is introducing herself to Erza, Erza says "Oh so you're Lucy. You're the one who defeated the guerrilla mercenaries with one finger, yes?" Obviously I know that it was meant for jokes, but it just kinda made me wonder how exactly she got that reputation. Story mutation or Chuck Norris Syndrome I guess.
Juvia's Water Body magic
- So does she just surround herself in water, or does she actually become water? And if it is the latter, how does that even work? How do you make yourself into water?
- She IS water, it's explained in her first appearance, and a few times since. Her body (and clothes) is composed entirely 100% of liquid water that she keeps in her form and colour. And as to the second question... long story short, A Wizard Did It. Asking how she makes herself into water while keeping her form and consciousness is about as useful as asking how Erza has a Hyper-Space Arsenal of weapons and armor that she can access at will, or how Natsu summons fire, or why Full-Body Take-Overs don't warp/ erase your personality when you use them. It's a show about magic, it doesn't have to make sense.
- That does raise a couple questions, though. When she asks Gray to punish her for letting Zeref go: One, what is hitting her gonna do? The guy launched ice spears at her when they first met and she didn't bat an eye. And two, how did he not notice he was sitting on water in the anime?
- Presumably she can use her magic to go back and forth, we see multiple times(although still not very much)that people can actually hit her, although that could just be the author/animators forgetting that it shouldn't work on her. Which means that while her default form may be water, or may be an actual body (hehe body of water) she can and does use her magic to go back and forth(perhaps unconsciously, as when she is taken by surprise her body may revert back to a normal humans). To answer the how Gray would punish her question, she would probably just make her body physical. And for the sitting question, it could be that she made the water in her body static(or have it static in the shape of bones, then just approximatly as dense as human flesh, and hold it in shape with her will), then it would have no give, and thus you wouldn't sink through it.
- So in other words, Juvia's a logia user? Makes sense to me.
- Juvia seems to be a sentient mass of water that molds herself into her usual form. She might even be able to shape shift that form, as she can at the very least shorten and lengthen her hair seemingly at will.
- She can change her form to a certain extent, she is definitely able to create clothing with water (there is mention that her clothes are also made of water somewhere, can't exactly remember where)and we know she is also able to dissolve her body into an amorphous water.... being as she is shown doing that multiple times, so general shape shifting is a definite possibility, although the extent is not known. On your other point though, I think it more likely that she is just a human who has a very strong affinity with water magic and uses that to change her body into water, or else she would just return to water form whenever she didn't put mana into maintaining the transformation(such as when she is unconscious) however we have seen that this is not the case.
- How on Earth did Juvia manage to break her leg on Tenrou island in that case?
- She probably consciously chooses when she is physically water. Like when a fight starts, maybe Juvia just goes, "Water Body, On!" at the start to protect herself.
- When you look at it, Lucy's choice of weapon seems Awesome but Impractical at best (see the pothole); there is no logical reason for the weapon besides Fetish Fuel (and Lucy is otherwise pretty damn far from being The Dominatrix). One could surmise it's meant for controlling her summons... except Lucy would never do something like that, and the Celestial Spirits are smart and loyal enough for it to not work that way. We know Lucy can use it very effectively, but seriously, if you're going to take the time to become proficient at a secondary weapon so as to not be entirely reliant on Summon Magic... why not a weapon that doesn't suck?
- Lucy could learn a couple of attack spells, such as, as someone pointed out above, a fire spell to serve the dual purpose of attacking and powering Natsu up.
- If we assume dual specialization in magic is impossible (almost every mage specializes in a single type of magic, suggesting it's too hard to learn multiple types), she could have still chosen a much better weapon to spend time and energy training. How about a dagger? She's small and fast...
- Well dual specialization is far from impossible, take for example Jellal, who specializes in Heavenly Body Magic, but also knows Four Elemental Magics(Fire, Earth, Water, Air, we only see him using fire but he needs all four for Abyss Break so...), Telekinesis, Darkness Magic and Staff Magic, not counting the various other random spells he can do, such as Abyss Break, Self-Destruction spell or Astral Projection. Although Jellal is presented pretty blatantly as being a Broken Ace, and it may be too hard for Lucy, or she is just too lazy to do it at all (remember at the start of the series she makes a remark about her spirits' powers relative to Natsu that strongly implies she doesn't even really train in Celestial Spirit Magic).
- It seems like mages can use more than one type of magic (Jellal as mentioned can use many, Ultear has both her time magic and ice magic, Makarov has used more than just his giant magic, and the Orlaesian Seis all returned during the Time Key arc with a new type of magic each. Heck even Duke Everlue had 2 types and he was a terrible wizard), but there seems to be one type that they are naturally affiniated to, and they tend to mostly rely on that. When Erza's magic first activated it took control of all nearby weapons and tools (meaning weapon magic is her affinity) while Juvia had her magic making it rain long before she trained as a mage etc. Even Jellal mostly relies on his Star magic most of the time. This isn't always the case, though as Gray apparantly just ran into Ul as his teacher and she just happened to know ice magic so that's what she taught him. It also seems to be herediary. Lucy's mother was a celestial wizard and so was Lucy, Macao was a fire magic and so was Romeo. At any rate Lucy does have a 2nd magic style. Urano Metria, which is Star magic like Jellal. If she can pull off one of the strongest ones she should certainly be able to use the weaker ones.
- Well whips aren't all that great on a battlefield, but they are GREAT psychological weapons, and she may have it so she can get her opponents to flinch to give her time to summon a spirit, not to mention it has a pretty big range to people would naturally be wary of it, also giving her the time to summon a spirit.
- Also more useful in a combo attack than a bladed weapon would be, now that I think about it. She could tie up her opponent with it, or otherwise strike at them without blocking her spirit helper(s), thanks to her longer range as compared to a sword or dagger.
- I think her using a whip, aside from Fetish Fuel, is a symbolic thing that shows she's kind of a "beast tamer." Rydia from Final Fantasy IV is a Summoner who uses the same weapon, but she doesn't use it to control her summons. Might even be a Shout-Out, for all we know.
I'm not buying it. So Erza can requip between several mundane weapons. Fair enough. She has the unique ability to requip her armour. Fine. She can also use this ability to change between several outfits. Cool. But being able to Ass Pull
a magical armour to fit any situation? Something doesn't add up here. We've established on the introduction of Requip magic that it's just that - re-equipping yourself from a Hyperspace Arsenal
. She has to have physically obtained everything in it. So where the fuck
did all the armour-for-any-occasion come from?! It's not any common armour, we know that for sure. Magic had to have been involved in its creation, and at least one specific armour is noted as unique, the Purgatory Armour ("Nobody who has seen this armour has lived to tell the tale!
"). What Erza's doing is almost like running around with ten Excaliburs in your pocket. Making it even more egregious is the fact that she's only a little older than Gray (and Natsu, but there's the Really 700 Years Old
theory around him that I don't want to go into) based on flashbacks.
- Magical weapons have been seen before, the other universe even had to resort to it exclusively. Given that Erza takes on S class missions, she has the means to acquire rare materials and also the money, all the needs is a good magical blacksmith and there you go.
- It's been noted before that she custom orders her armors from a specific organization that specializes in making them(I can't remember the name of the company off the top of my head), so the reason she has so many specialized and varied armors is that she makes ridiculous amounts of money on her quests, then uses that to order a new armor set(s) that counter any problem she has had/thinks she may encounter and over time has just accrued a ridiculous number of armors that fit any sort of situation. If she needs speed she has one for that, and she probably got it after encountering an opponent much faster than her, if she needs one that makes her stronger against fire(which she has very likely encountered a lot of, not to mention it's a common magic for wizards) she has one. She has a lightning one after seeing how strong Laxus or some other lighting based wizard/creature is, so on and so forth. At this point she just has one to suit almost any situation. Also as noted above, if any of her armors require specific items to create them that the armorers don't have on hand, as an S class wizard she has the means to go get them.
- They also aren't unlimited. Erza has a specific number she can take with her at all times and has to pick and choose which she might or might not need for any mission. Her limit is unknown, but she's never used more than I think 5 or so at a time.
- Are you sure she has a limit on her Hammer Space? If she does it must be ridiculously high because she carries around 200 distinct weapons(shown in the Fighting Festival arc)at least, and during her fight with Azuma on Tenroujima she used more than five armor sets, and regretted that she couldn't use Fairy Armor because it was still being repaired from Edolas, and was about to use the seduction armor. Not to mention that she carries around her entire wardrobe in her Hammer Space, and uses it to change clothing. And don't even get me started on how many different armors and weapons she used/combined when she did Pandemonium in the Grand Magic Games. Erza may be a Cloudcuckoolander but she isn't stupid, she would make sure she had all her armor before she started putting in clothing like pajamas which she uses (presumably) regularly, let alone ones she probably gets to use once or twice a year like her ballroom getup. Thus even if she has a limit, it's clearly so high as to not be an issue. Although I do agree with your point that they aren't unlimited and the reason she seems to always have one to suit the situation has already been addressed.
- The Movie reveals exactly how she archives her gear into Hammerspace - a magic computer screen appears in front of her and she adds the weapon/clothing/armor to her "memory"!
- While interesting, that isn't really germane to the discussion here. Unless there is also an indication as to how many armors and/or weapons she can fit in there, or something to do with the original post.
- Though somewhat unrelated, I'd just like to point out that requip isn't that unique of a magic, IIRC, Bisca from the guild can requip her guns just like Erza can requip her weapons. That being said it is mentioned that she admires how fast erza can requip, implyin that erza is very skilled at that magic.
- O...kay? Not that you are wrong, but I just can't see how that is at all relevant to this Headscratcher.
- I brought it up because it can explain how she can hold so many different types of armor and weapons. All she has to do is "remember" them and have the magical power to store it all.
- Erza does have a limit; in the bonus chapter "Welcome to Fairy Hills", it shows us that she rents five dorm rooms at once to store all her different armors.
- To me, it would be more valuable to have multiple weapons than multiple armors. At most she has the capacity to hold ALL her weapons and roughly 15-20 armors. Some armors she leaves in her vault space as 'presets' (Fire Empress, Black Wing, Flight etc), but she switches out the last 3-5 or so depending on how she anticipates a particular mission might run. She uses her first presets to gauge her opponent's fighting ability and switches her armor to one that could handle it. Everyone who has played RPG games know that many times you can have too many skills for your hot-key assignments - Erza has the same problem so she changes the skill set according to the mission. It only makes sense. Of course there are a few armors that there is no way they could have been placed there ahead of time without her prior knowledge. I can only assume that she can pull out a particular armor from her stash if she concentrates hard enough.
- Judging by how Rufus' Memory Make magic seems to work, and assuming he's memorized Minerva's spatial magic...could he travel or send objects through time if he memorized Ultear's Arc of Time?
- Probably not. Ultear's Arc of Time only lets her "fast forward" or "rewind" an object, not send it through time, and Rufus wouldn't be able to use it on himself since Arc of Time does not work on humans - other than her Second Origin release spell.
- True, but Rufus' magic isn't straight copying of another's magic. He uses it as a base for his molding. For example, he memorized Orga's God Slayer magic, but rather than shooting lightning from his hands like Orga does, he calls it down from the sky. This seems to be because he doesn't memorize specifics about the magic, just the basic points as he simply calls Gray and Orga's magic Ice and Lightning magic as opposed to Ice Make or Lightning God Slayer magic. So it's possible that he may simply see Ur's magic as simply Time Magic, without certain limitations.
- Another question: If his power is based on memorizing what he sees, what if he remembers something wrongly? Say he fought someone like Racer, whose magic appears to be Speed but is actually slowing. Would he memorize it as Speed Magic, Slowing Magic or not at all? Or if he fought Rustyrose, who first appears to have transformation/materialization/summoning abilities, but is actually a Reality Warper? Without that being explained what would Rufus even get from the guy?
- It might be based purely on what he sees and perceives the magic as. If he only saw Rustyrose producing glasses with his Reality Warper powers, then Rufus might only be able to create glasses too (or combine it with some other magic for a different effect).
Fiore is apparently feudalistic
- in an early chapter Lucy says that most of Fiore still adheres to the feudal system, yet when the characters interact with townspeople and others minor characters ,most of them appear to be middle class. In a feudal system the middle class are almost nonexistent. In feudalism, the closest thing to middle class would be the merchant class, which we do see, but almost everyone seems to be middle class and not serfs as they should be in a feudalistic society. Also, the wealthy in the series are never nobility as most wealthy are in feudal societies. Lucy's father may have went bankrupt, but his name should have carried weight given that he was upper class/nobility. Anyone else have any thoughts on this matter?
- When does Lucy ever say it is feudalistic?
- In Chapter 8 Lucy says "some parts of the land still run under feudalism."
Gray's Ice Magic
How exactly do you make bow and arrows out of ice? How can you give ice enough elasticity to fling arrows off them? The bazooka can barely make sense if you transmute a frozen form of an explosive substance. But even that would be a stretch(excuse the pun).
- Spiral power. Sort of. Gray's ice make magic is relatively normal compared to Lyon's ice animals and Ultear's ice flowers. It's not about ice, actually, make magic transforms wizard's magic power to material objects according to their personality, so they can do whatever they can imagine.
- Which makes his anger at being defeated by Rufus all the more appropriate. Ice Make magic requires creativity to come up with new things, and is an extension of the user's own personality and mind, whereas Memory Make is just using spells you've seen before. The whole thing might even be Mashima making a stealthy Take That at plagiarism, especially when Gray ends up defeating him in the final event.
- What was Leo doing during "Naval Battle" of the Grand Magic Games? Lucy was getting the crap beaten out of her, and the opponent wasn't even trying to win, they were just doing it For the Evulz. It was established early on that Leo can see what's going on in the human world, and force his way into it, even if Lucy doesn't have her keys. So what gives?
- Well it is a competition based on wizard's skill. Loke coming out might have been considered a breach of the rules. If the beatdown was too serious, the competition would have to be stopped entirely.
- OP here. Afraid I don't believe that Leo/Loke would have let something like a competition rule stop him from trying to protect Lucy. Besides, how would he be in violation of the rules if he came out? Sure, Lucy didn't summon him, but he's still there under her power, and a part of her magic repertoire, and all he has to do is explain that he can forcibly get into the human world thanks to his bond with Lucy.
- Well, Loke is a member of Fairy Tail. Arguably, this could count as member interrupting a battle on purpose. What would Loke say after he saves Lucy? "Sorry, the other competitor was being too violent, I had to stop it"? That's not really a fair reason.
- Leo/Loke's also a Celestial Spirit that Lucy can summon. By that merit alone, he and all of her other spirits should have the right to enter the arena, even if he's officially a member of the guild, otherwise Lucy wouldn't be able to fight with them. It wouldn't be the same as say, Natsu deciding to jump in, as he's another mage. And also, didn't Leo/Loke quit the guild in chapter 72?
- Loke still has his guild mark as of the Tenrou Island arc. He still counts as a member. What's the difference between Natsu showing up to help Lucy and Loke doing the same? If Loke comes out on his own, he's come out with his own intentions, not his owner's intentions.
- OP again. I explained the difference between Natsu and Loke intervening in my last post. As a Celestial Spirit, Loke should have the right to enter the arena if Lucy's in it. Whatever guild he's part of shouldn't really matter. Natsu on the other hand, as another mage/competitor, shouldn't.
- In order to break in to human world both Leo and Horologrum must use Lucy's magical power, so, to avoid unnesessary energy waste, they come to rescue only in case of grave threat to Lucy or her friends, which was the case later in the fight against the Order of Hungry Wolves, but was NOT in Naval Battle, since, despite the NoHoldsBarredBeatdown Minerva gave to Lucy, she wouldn't risk having her guild expelled from the Games (or worse) for murder just to have a moment of revenge on Fairy Tail.
- The magic power issue shouldn't have be too much of a problem after Lucy unlocked her second origin. And even if Minerva wasn't trying to KILL Lucy, we only know this because we've seen her in other parts of the story, where she makes her motivations for the stuff she does clear. Leo doesn't have the luxury of that knowledge, so he wouldn't know that. And this is just my opinion, but even if she was going to leave Lucy alive, Minerva could have easily crippled her for good, so she's still in very real danger.
- Maybe Leo/Loke can't swim very well?
- If we take Animal Motifs into account, that does seem plausible. Though it does seem hard to believe that that would stop Leo/Loke trying to save the girl he claims to love.
- Maybe Lucy specifically had a talk with him beforehand to avoid this—she knows he's prone to show up to save her when he thinks she's threatened, and she doesn't want to rely on a Leo ex Machina to save her when it's a competition. Bad sportsmanship and all.
- It seems (the impression to me, anyway) that Loke can cross over in two ways. The first is if he's summoned by Lucy using her Key, in which case he'll use her magical power to support his presence. In that sense, he could have entered the arena, but she'd have to call him with a Key that Minerva had stolen. The second way he can cross over is if he opens his own gate himself, but if he does that then he's relying on his own power and wouldn't be counted as summoned by Lucy (since he plainly wouldn't have been), ergo it would most probably default to "outside interference" - and if Loke comes through himself without being summoned, he may also have had to deal with the fact that he's still technically part of Fairy Tail and so not only would it be outside interference, it would be outside interference from Fairy Tail. Basically, the only way he could have come through to help is if he's using Lucy's power, which can't happen if she doesn't have her keys.
Zeref and Mavis
A minor one, but in the ending of chapter 340, we saw a scene where Mavis confronted Zeref. Zeref mentions that he can't see or hear Mavis, though he can feel her presence. So how did they manage to communicate if that is so?
- He was anticipating her answers, which he was doing so correctly. It wasn't as if they were actually communicating, it's just that he knew what she was going to say to him - he knows her that well. He knew she was there so he carried on as if he was holding a real conversation with her.
- If you just read Zeref's side of the conversation, he's not even explicitly responding to the things that Mavis is saying. He's just talking because he feels her presence and knows that she's listening.
How did Loke prevent Karen from summoning more spirits?
In the flashback to Blue Pegasus, Loke comes to the human world under his own power. He explicitly points out that he's running on his own magic when Karen says that her magic won't suffice to keep him in the human world for more than ten days. If Loke is supporting himself in the human world by his own magic, and not Karen's, how did his presence keep her from summoning another spirit?
- Maybe he's also using her magic to prevent her from summoning other spirits?
- The Guildmaster of Blue Pegasus told Loke that Karen tried to summon another spirit when she got desperate. Apparently the strain was too great and she died, though whether it was using up all her magic or whether someone she was fighting killed her remains a mystery.
When he has those random Death Magic explosions, everything around him is reduced a barren wasteland full of dessicated, shriveled trees and grass-less, dried-out soil. However, when he kills a person (or animal, in the case of those wolves) with it, they're left perfectly intact (just usually dead with their eyes open and most likely an expression of fear
), without being reduced to, say, a skeleton, or heaven forbid, a rotting, bloated corpse. It's not really important, just a minor inconsistency that might suggest that Death Magic attacks the souls of animals, rather than the bodies of plants.
- Plants presumably don't have souls, so the only way to kill one is to damage its body beyond the point of recovery. The same would probably apply to completely non-intelligent animals (think insects, coral, starfish, etc.), fungi, bacteria, and so on—a mushroom or a fly or something along those lines would end up shriveled, too. The dried-out soil is the same thing taken even further; since it's not even technically "alive" in the first place, death magic just saps the moisture and nutrients from it so it can't support the growth of any new life. Creatures with any amount of intelligence, though, presumably all have souls and so can be killed just by removing their soul.
What is up with God Slayers?
From what the story tells us
, God Slayers are capable of killing Gods and their magic is stronger than that of Dragon Slayers. Dragon Slayers also can't eat their magic, but the other way around is possible. Now the God Slayers haven't had an impressive showing. Zancrow was
beating Natsu for most of the fight, but the moment Natsu (with a stupid explanation
) becomes capable of eating his black flames, the fight quickly ends. Chelia and Wendy are established as equal in power. Lighting God Slayer Orga is one shot by Jura, while "mere" Dragon Slayer Laxus is able to beat him
. And if the magic can really kill Gods, Dragons should be no problem, yet it's just as ineffective as anything else barring Dragon Slayer Magic. So God Slayer Magic's credibility has gone from "slaying Gods" to "black elemental magic that requires some effort for Dragon Slayers to eat". It's also pretty annoying how little the history of God Slayer Magic has been elaborated on. I'm really not seeing how it's supposed to be special.
- And now as of Chapter 353, we have Devil Slayer Magic, which is designed to kill demons, and apparently works fairly well against dragons, too.
- To me, God Slayer magic just looks like extremely powerful magic that is said to be able to kill gods. All along we've assumed that Zancrow, Chelia, and Orga had gods teach them the magic but it seems they were taught other ways (Zancrow from Hades and Chelia from extremely rare magic books, as shown in her guild card). Presumably the three of them aren't at their highest level of power yet.
- The only one who was really disappointing was Orga, who decided it would be a good idea to attack people who were significantly stronger than he was. Natsu won by an ass pull that thankfully hasn't been repeated within the story. Chelia had the advantage most of the fight. She is still pretty young, so there is a good chance she hasn't reached her full potential. Orga was just sad and like most of the fights in the final was designed to give the win Fairy Tail regardless of how plausible it was. The actual Dragon Slayers couldn't kill the dragons they fought, which was noted by Mavis. The God Slayers not killing dragons isn't that much a stretch.
- It could be that God Slayer magic is meant to be a kind of ultimate elemental magic. It tops and is able to consume all other magics of that element. However, it is probably focused on power and nothing else, and that doesn't work on dragons. Notice how a punch from Makarov, one of the strongest wizards in existence, did nothing to a dragon. Dragon Slayer magic may have specific properties that lets the user hurt dragons, and dragons may be similar enough to demons to let Devil Slayer magic hurt them.
Future Lucy's Celestial Keys
- Where we're Future Lucy's Gate Keys? when Future rogue killed her why didn't Horologium or Loki come out and save her?
- The keys would have been used to power the gate that allows for time travel (its name escapes me), so she wouldn't have been able to retrieve them once she entered the gate to go back to the present.
- It could be that she couldn't summon anymore. Mirajane and Elfman are both precedents. After a traumatic experience, their magical power plummeted, though it was mostly psychological in origin. In theory, Future Lucy would have had her silver keys still, though only Horologium could be useful here as a protective spirit since without her golden keys (which would have been used with the Eclipse Gate and therefore would stay there) she has little-to-no combat ability. It's also possible that, since the gate is powered by Celestial Spirits, no keys can pass through it, but that's entering WMG territory.
Is The Bureau of Magical Development Open to the General Public
can any mage go there to learn magic or is it specifically exclusive to whoever appointed them
Zeref and Tartarus
- So apparently the demons of Tartarus have never actually met Zeref and the main reason they are doing anything at all is because they think it will let them see Zeref. Is there a reason that Zeref can't or won't pay them a visit? He recently teleported right into their base to have a chat with Natsu! Is there a reason for his aloofness, or is Zeref just being the ultimate "Well Done, Son!" Guy?
- The reason is because Zeref for a while stayed away from humans and actually felt empathy and love for them. He may of created them by accident as it's established he has no real control of his powers, and then left so as to let them wander aimlessly. He may want to end humanity, but he means it in a sympahtetic way. Tartarus is full of demons who kill humans because they want to. He doesn't approve most likely.
- Zeref, from his conversation with Natsu, also clearly expressed some level of pride when it comes to the demons that make up Tartarus, while Kyouka practically idolizes Zeref and has nothing but pure Undying Loyalty towards him. Zeref also said it would be a 'killjoy' if he just showed up on his own (or says that it 'isn't fair' that he shows up to Natsu but not to them depending on the translation), which is why he is neither praising them nor trying to stop them. It could be argued either way that he actually meant what he said about either E.N.D. or Natsu finding him and is going to let them fight it out for that honor, or maybe he just doesn't have the heart to put down his own creations when they have nothing but adoration for him, and would rather let Fairy Tail do it instead.
- Okay, we have an actual answer for this now: Zeref created his demons specifically to kill him, since nobody and nothing else seems to be able (or willing) to do so. The Nine Demon Gates don't seem to know what their true purpose is, but Mard Geer does. Mard Geer created a Curse specifically designed to kill someone immortal like Zeref via Cessation of Existence, and E.N.D., Zeref's most powerful demon, is stated to be one of the few things left in the world that could possibly do the job. Basically, Zeref told a Half Truth to Natsu: It would be a 'kill joy' because E.N.D. isn't back yet, and nobody present except possibly Mard can fulfill the demons' true purposes, especially since the Nine Demon Gates still seem to be thinking that once they're reunited with their creator, they'll have a Happily Ever After instead of their creator turning out to be a Death Seeker that created a bunch of Laser-Guided Tykebomb demons.
Why do all of the Dragon Slayers (sans Gajeel) have Exceeds?
I mean, the Edolas arc actually tried to explain this with the whole "the Exceeds were sent to Earthland to kill the Dragon Slayers" thing, but then at the end of the arc it was revealed that it was all a load of bull and that was never the case. Do the dragon slayers all just like cats?
- Just concidence likely. Only 5 slayers have Exceeds. Cobra and Laxus for example don't. Gajeel actively searched for one, and Pantherlily is a full grown Exceed and not one of the eggs sent to Earthland. So of all the eggs only 4 of them ended up with dragonslayers. I believe Lector and Frosh weren't even with their partners before hatching like Happy and Carla were, they just ran into Sting and Rogue after already being grown so only 2 of the eggs ended up in the hands of Dragonslayers. Come to think of it was it ever confirmed they were from the eggs or were they citizens of Edolas that was warped over with the rest of the Exceeds, then ran into Sting and Rogue during the timeskip?
- Sting and Rogue probably also tried having exceeds to be more like Natsu and Gajeel, since at that point all of the dragonslayers of Fairy Tail had one.
- It seems that at least Frosch was one of the eggs sent to Earthland, since it's stated at one point that he grew up believing he was a frog. Don't think that would be the case if he grew up in Edolas with an Exceed family.
Angel no longer a Celestial Mage?
So during the Key of Starry Heavens Arc, Midnight explains that they need to sacrifice a Celestial Spirit Mage to the Infinity Clock, which is why they had Michelle/Imitatia lure Lucy to them. Except...Angel's right there with them. Why not use her? Is she no longer a Celestial Mage after losing her contracts, or does Midnight and the other just not wanna sacrifice a comrade? An acknowledgement of either would be nice.
- No Contract means no Celestial Spirits to Summon. You have to have the key with you to summon them and the contract to even consider doing so. Since Angel has no Celestial Spirits, she isn't considered one since Lucy has her Keys.
How old is Hades?
He was old when Makorav was in his twenties, and now Makorav is in his eighties. How is Hades even alive, let alone able to fight off team Natsu and Makarov? Was it the heart?
- Yes, it was the heart. It's not clear when exactly he discovered the magic to make it work, but based on how he looks it must have been at most a decade after leaving Fairy Tail. The way it seemed to operate was by holding his body in a kind of stasis: no matter how much magic he used, he always had the same amount(which is slightly different than providing him infinite magic: if it did that, he would simply take a basic spell and ramp it up to etherion levels, but he clearly had an upper limit of power output at a given time), no matter how much force he was hit with he never actually took damage and presumably stopped his body from aging, no matter how much time passed. As far as his actual age... well, do the math, he would have to be at least 60-70, depending on how old Makarov was when we saw the flashback, plus however many years he had lived up to that point, which is probably safe to assume 70+, so call it minimum 130, but as much as say, 160, assuming normal(if slightly longer than average) human lifespan. We also don't know if there are other magics he may have been using to extend his life before even leaving Fairy Tail, so for all we know he could have been 100+ when Makarov was born. Since Zeref disappeared 400 years ago, and his stated objective was bringing him back, there is no reason not to believe he was simply hiding his goals during his time with Fairy tail and could possibly be just as old as Zeref is. Though I do find that unlikely, and would stick to my original estimate of 130-160.
As revealed in chapter 400, Igneel was inside Natsu the entire time?
While that by itself isn't too confusing, what with Acnologia and his whole "Was Once a Man
, Fuck-you-I'm-a-dragon-now" weirdness, it's just that this isn't the first time Acnologia has threatened Natsu. Where was Igneel when Acnologia showed up at Tenrou? His son definitely could have used his help then.
- Because this seems to be basically last ditch, hidden ace up the sleeve, trump card. ALL the actually taught by a dragon, dragon slayers had a reaction of something coming via their increased heartbeats. The situation is much more dire and there is really no chance of Mavis being able to use Fairy sphere is.
Tenrou Island doesn't count for four reasons.
1) The Tenrou Jade/Tree was there and any person with the fairy tail mark could not die.
2) I'm betting the dragons knew Mavis was there and knew that Fairy Sphere had a good chance of happening.
3) Everyone was not as beaten up as they are now.
4) The situation in Tenrou Island was much lesser then it is now with E.N.D., Mard Geer, and Acnologia all potentially being in the same room, if the Spirit King had stayed longer I doubt Igneel would of showed up so soon.
This has been hinted at since Laxus went temporarily crazy and did that rule thing about people over 80 years old. It's pretty much closing a plot thread after 400 chapters.
So yeah it's a much different situation.
Are Sting and Rogue idiots?
- Seriously, in both the fights with the dragons and with Tartaros, the Twin Dragon Slayers find themselves severely outmatched. They are also the only dragon slayers capable of using Dragon Force at will. Why do they never use it?! Do they want to die? If you are facing an opponent that aims to kill you, isn't it common sense to go at them with everything you have, especially when you are already getting your butt royally kicked? Why do they insist on holding back. It borders on Too Dumb to Live.
Tenrou Island or Sirius Island?
The official dub of the anime calls it Tenrou Island, but Wikipedia calls it Sirius Island. Which name is used in the official Kodansha USA manga translation?
- Never mind. Kodansha uses Sirius Island.