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detective27 Since: Jun, 2015
04/21/2018 00:53:01 •••

Unsatisfying, Unfocused, and Utterly Broken

Legend of Korra is a masterclass in how to have good ideas, and then utterly fail to execute all of them. Individual episodes might be amazing, but don't let it fool you. It goes nowhere. The series, taken as a whole, is a broken mess of inconsistent characterization and awful writing. The series features the worst ending. Of all time. You're better off being water boarded then watching this show.

omegafire17 Since: Apr, 2010
09/23/2015 00:00:00

I don't claim it's perfect (anything about the show), but as far as your (few legitimate) points, I say otherwise

Korra goes a full one-180 over the course of the four seasons; Mako gradually goes from anti-social (and a ditherer) to wanting to help people, and keep learning before he tries any more relationships; Bolin, while staying comedic relief, has a subtle gaining-confidence-in-himself arc that really explodes in Book 3/throughout Book 4; Asami, much like Toph, simply stays the same because her character is already good enough

Same goes for the writing - it manages to make an engaging narrative throughout a good portion (though Season 2 is the weakest). It's still not perfect, or maybe good in some opinions, but it's not purely awful

^In both cases, they're simply rushed through, not having as many episodes to flesh things out as the original series

And if you're calling the ending worst on the basis that it's a Deus Ex Machina... how is that anything new? A:TLA did the exact same thing despite numerous foreshadowing, and here it's the same, still with foreshadowing for each case somewhere, but simply less time to make it work as well as anyone would like. Plus, it's not an automatic fail of quality just for having one (or rushed writing), but that's just me

As for 'going nowhere'... please; they've basically pushed the boundaries (and then some) on exactly what kind of dark stuff they can show live on a kid's show, with things like terrorism + murder-suicide just the tip of the iceberg... and at the same time, is one of the best representations of LGBT on a kid's show ever

As is the rest of what I've stated; just my opinion on the matter

XenosHg Since: Oct, 2013
09/23/2015 00:00:00

Well, at least there's someone who doesn't like the ending.

Beatman1 Since: Feb, 2014
09/24/2015 00:00:00

I find people with the ending fall into two camps - Those who declare it the greatest thing ever solely on the fact that it has a lesbian couple ending, and those who find said ending a total out-of-left-field copout that fails to address dozens of plot holes and tries to use representation to make up for bad writing.

Theokal3 Since: Jan, 2012
09/25/2015 00:00:00

Personally I am not found of the ending, partially for the reason Beastman just listed (I don't think it's out of left field, but I DO think they should have focused on closing more important plotlines rather than that), but I don't like people judging the show almost entirely on this ending. I mean, really, the show isn't perfect and that ending can be frustrating, but that doesn't change anything to the fact Legend of Korra had plenty of good episodes and storylines. Independantly from that ending I still think Kuvira was poorly handled, though.

Pannic Since: Jul, 2009
09/25/2015 00:00:00

I don't think the ending was out of left-field. If anything I found some of the signals a little obnoxious (random out-of-nowhere outburst at restaurant, stopping communication with everyone but Asami).

Theokal3 Since: Jan, 2012
09/25/2015 00:00:00

Exactly. It had plenty of build-up. I distinctly remember suspecting it would happen, but thinking "nah, they wouldn't dare. Not on a cartoon". I admit I was surprised when they went through it.

MiinU Since: Jun, 2011
09/25/2015 00:00:00

To me, the ending did seem out of left-field, since Korra and Asami's interaction seemed platonic, until the ending. Korra writing to Asami was different than a guy confiding in their best friend. It wasn't like she was sending her love letters.

That said, about the only problem I have with the ending is that it's all anyone seems to talk about. It's rare to find a discussion about the show where someone doesn't shoehorn Korrasami into the conversation somehow. It's like the series consisted solely of the last 5 minutes.

MiinU Since: Jun, 2011
09/25/2015 00:00:00

I wish there was a way to edit comments. I meant:

"Korra writing to Asami was no different than a guy confiding in their best friend."

XenosHg Since: Oct, 2013
09/25/2015 00:00:00

I don't have that "platonic" feeling, since hey, the ending scene didn't have any sex either.

This was a good resolution for the bad, bad, horrible love triangle. Avatar series were both great because of character interactions, and Mako's love antics made 2 people out of 4 not interact at all due to being on different sides of the love conflict. So, after everyone was already tired of that bad decision, the authors acknowledged their mistake, and fixed it. The end of the final season was full of fixing different mistakes, and Mako's discussion/ Korrasami ending are among them.

Yes, the ending might be not perfect, but they still made good. Which, I suppose, is the point of controversy, whether you look at the good side or at the bad.

Beatman1 Since: Feb, 2014
09/25/2015 00:00:00

I think that Korrasami just made an (admittedly bad) problem worse. There didn't have to be a romance, especially one that goes "she's a lesbian Kthanxbye'.

Theokal3 Since: Jan, 2012
09/26/2015 00:00:00

Again, I find it annoying that the lesbian final scene is what is on everyone's mind to the point most of the other problems get ignored. Like how Kuvira is pretty much given a sort-of Freudian Excuse at the last second, long after you most likely lost all sympathy for her character. Or the fact it's apparently not considered important to show us how things will change now.

MiinU Since: Jun, 2011
09/26/2015 00:00:00

"Like how Kuvira is pretty much given a sort-of Freudian Excuse at the last second."

I've gotta disagree there, 'cuz Kuvira all but flat-out said it to Korra, right before their duel at "The Battle for Xiaofu". She told Korra that she had been doing the Avatar's job by reuniting the Earth Kingdom, while she ran and hid (Kuvira's words). Which is why she said Korra was no longer relevant.

Prior to that, Toph told Korra that each of the villains she had faced likely had good intentions, but had become corrupted by their own ideals. Kuvira was no different. So it wasn't hard to see where they were going with her.

She and Korra were triying to achieve the same goal: Balance. The only differences were, Kuvira wasn't concerned with the rest of the world. All that mattered, to her, was getting the Earthkingdom back on its feet, from the disarray Zaheer left it in after he assassinated the Earth Queen.

That's why, when Korra said she could understand her, because she saw a lot of herself in Kuvira, I wasn't surprised - 'cuz I called it, right after the "Battle for Xiaofu" episode ended.

Theokal3 Since: Jan, 2012
09/26/2015 00:00:00

@Miin U: I am not talking about her Well-Intentioned Extremist part, that was indeed obvious from the start. I am talking about the whole child abandon issues she is revealed to have (it was stated she was an orphan before but they never implied it played such a big part in her motivations). My issue isn't that they made her with well-intentioned motivations, it's that they try to make us feel sorry for her at the last minute, when by that point, after all her smug smiles, pointless Kick the Dog moments and ability to make everything go her way no matter how illogical it seems, my patience and sympathy for the character had long been drained dry. As Linkara said: there is a different between having a sympathetic backstory and being sympathetic.

425599167 Since: Mar, 2013
09/26/2015 00:00:00

Well, that's not necessarily a bad thing. She has a sad backstory, but it's not like she gets a redemption subplot where we're supposed to forgive her for everything, she's still dragged off to be imprisoned, and Su flat out states she's going to pay. You're right with that Linkara quote, she's not that sympathetic, but she doesn't really need to be.

MiinU Since: Jun, 2011
09/26/2015 00:00:00

@Theokal3: Ah, okay. I can agree about the orphan part seeming last minute. I'm not sure we were meant to feel sorry for her though. It seemed more that we were meant to understand her point of view.

As for her ability to make everything go her way, I'd say "not quite". Kuvira suffered her fair share of setbacks. The biggest one being, when she lost Varrik and Zhu Li's support, which only left her with Bataar Jr. to work on the spirit vine cannon. And by his own admission, he had only seen enough to sort-of understand how it worked. Which put her a week behind schedule.

The events at the "Battle of Xiaofu", on the other hand, I'd argue was Kuvira proving she could be a Magnificent Bitch, 'cuz that was well played and cemented her as my favorite villain of the series.

Theokal3 Since: Jan, 2012
09/26/2015 00:00:00

Well, my problem is that it feels like we are intended to feel sorry for her. At least Korra sure did. Frankly, while I agree she is clearly not Easily Forgiven, I still feel like her character got away waaaaay easier than she should have. Basically I expected her to go through a very gratifying Humiliation Congat and I got an Alas, Poor Villain instead.

Theokal3 Since: Jan, 2012
09/26/2015 00:00:00

@Miin U: Fair enough. Maybe I just interpreted it as trying to make her sympathetic. But I still kinda feel like she got easier. And trust me, I am usually quite forgiving with these things.

And true, she suffered some setback, but honestly I feel like she was much more of a threat than she should have logically been. She had no unusual power like Amon or support from the local Satan like Unalaq. Her setbacks were nothing compared to the difficulty the Red Lotus went through to just kidnap Korra. And there were TONS of characters who overpowered her but somehow couldn't do anything, often for poorly explained reasons (Toph especially). President Raiko surrendering in the finale without even a fight was kinda the last straw for me in that area.

MiinU Since: Jun, 2011
09/26/2015 00:00:00

"she was much more of a threat than she should have logically been."

"President Raiko surrendering in the finale without even a fight was kinda the last straw for me in that area."

Raiko didn't have much of a choice. Thanks to the colossus and the spirit vine cannon, Kuvira was packing firepower the likes of which their world had never seen. We're talking WMD level military might, which Republic City didn't have a response to. So Raiko had two choices:

  • It was either fork over the city.
  • Or go down in history as the man who let it burn to the ground.

Raiko chose no.2, since it meant saving the city and its citizens. Plus, there was a chance of possibly getting it back, mostly in one piece.

And there were TONS of characters who overpowered her but somehow couldn't do anything, often for poorly explained reasons (Toph especially)."

Toph was feeling her age by that point, not everyone's gonna be Iroh or Bumi. Even if she had been able to fight Kuvira, she and Katara had already decided that their time had past and that it was up to Korra's generation now. So they were gonna stay out of it regardless.

Theokal3 Since: Jan, 2012
09/26/2015 00:00:00

Yeah, except they ended up fighting the Colossus anyway, without the entire army they had. And they won. So I am sorry, but I am not convinced that thing was THAT fearsome.

And I know for the whole age thing about Toph, but to me it came out as an Informed Flaw. She had no problem coming for her family and pretty much made Kuvira's army go down in one move. Hence why I said it was badly explained, and not "not explained at all". And the "it's up to the next generation" comes out as an even weaker excuse, especially since that didn't stop people like Iroh and Bumi. And Toph is just one example: I could also mention the Spirits, who can cause city-wise problems and give a hard time to the Avatar, yet are somehow completely defenseless against a bunch of Mini Mechas. Or who refused to help. Or Korra's Dark Korra Ex Machina. Heck, even Bolin could probably have easily burnt half the army.

Kuvira had two issues for me: one, she felt really underwhelming compared to the previous antagonists faced in this show, hence why it seems ridiculous that a regular Metalbender with an army is giving so much troubles when the protagonists were facing an entire team of One-Man Armies in the previous season. The second problem is, when you have a villain who is THAT good, you need to have his defeat be just as spectacular, so it makes waiting several episodes seeing him/her smile smugly worth it. And I feel the show failed to deliver in that area, since Kuvira's defeat was... rather underwhelming frankly.

MiinU Since: Jun, 2011
09/26/2015 00:00:00

"Yeah, except they ended up fighting the Colossus anyway, without the entire army they had. And they won."

Except, as far as Raiko knew, the hummingbird mecha weren't operational yet, because Kuvira and her army arrived a week sooner than Raiko was expecting. That's why Varrik and Zhu Li could only get two of them up and running and those wouldn't have been enough, had Sato not sacrificed himself to cut the opening in the colossus' outter hull.

And that might not've happened had Korra and the others not provided a distraction to draw Kuvira's fire. Then they still had to get inside the thing and shut it down, which nearly caused Mako to join Sato, when he overloaded the core.

So saying all it took was a few hummingbirds is way oversimplifying what made the colossus' deafeat possible.

"And I know for the whole age thing about Toph, but to me it came out as an Informed Flaw. She had no problem coming for her family and pretty much made Kuvira's army go down with one move."

There's a difference between taking someone by surprise (which she did), and trying it when the opponent is alert and ready.

It'd be like claiming you could beat Jet Li, because you cold cocked him while he was watching TV. If he isn't paying attention and doesn't know someone's standing behind him with a cudgel, of course he's gonna get clubbed. But does that mean that other guy could beat him if they actually fought? Not necessarily, 'cuz Jet Li on alert isn't gonna be that easy to hit.

Point being, Kuvira and her army weren't expecting Toph, so yeah, she was able to pull that off. But she didn't engage Kuvira, herself, because that wasn't going to be as simple as blindsiding those soldiers.

Also, Toph had already alluded to her old age when she was sparring with Korra. She told her, "You should've seen me in my prime. I would've DESTROYED YOU!!"

And if there's one thing we know about Toph, it's that she's honest. She doesn't have time for excuses, and she isn't gonna make any for herself. She knows her own body and her limitations better than anyone. So if she says her age was the issue, I see no reason to doubt that.

"Kuvira had two issues for me: one she felt really underwhelming compared to the previous antagonists in this show, hence why it seems ridiculous that a regular metalbender with an army is giving so much troubles"

The part about her seeming underwhelming is subjective, so I can't say much about that - other than, I disagree.

But she was hardly a regular metalbender. Rusty or not, this was the woman who challenged the Avatar 1-on-1 in front of a field of spectators, kicked her ass, and sent her and her friends (Jinora and Opal) packing. A regular metalbender couldn't have done that.

Her own sifu (Su) tried to ambush her, rather than face Kuvira directly. And when Su did try to fight her, Kuvira ended it quickly and Su was also forced to retreat. So at the very least, Kuvira is a Master who uses her metalbending to take control of her opponent's body. Something which no other metalbender has done.

It's the Avatar equivalent of trying to fight someone with telekinesis - like what she did to those bandits, to Korra, and Su. Give someone like that an army, plus, a colossus and a spirit weapon, and it isn't hard to see how she presents a problem. Because on top of all of that, she's a military genius.

"The second problem is, when you have a villain who is THAT good, you need to have his defeat be just as spectacular"

I thought it was. You had a boss room battle aboard a giant mech, that segued into a brief on-foot pursuit through the Spirit Wilds, that concluded with Korra spiritbending the spirit cannon. Which tore open the barrier between the human world and the Spirit Realm; thus creating a new portal.

What more could you ask for? I hadn't seen anything that spectacular since Mrs. Brisby used 'the Stone' at the climax of The Secret of NIMH.

MiinU Since: Jun, 2011
09/26/2015 00:00:00

I screwed up again. I meant to link to this scene, from this animated film.

Beatman1 Since: Feb, 2014
09/26/2015 00:00:00

In all honesty, I found the final battle very underwhelming, but that's because, for all of Season 2's fault, it had a battle between the giant spiritual avatars of darkness and light battling it out like so many kaiju. It was easy to see why Season 3 went in a different direction.

As for the Colossus itself, that's a whole different can of worms.

Theokal3 Since: Jan, 2012
09/26/2015 00:00:00

Eh, I still think the Colossus could have been taken down with an army. Not buying the whole indestructible thing. Also, is surrendering an already evacuated city without a fight REALLY that much better than causing it to burn?

Again, what you say about Toph doesn't change anything to the fact we see NO sign of her being weakened. We don't see her expressing pain or anything, she seems as strong as ever. So yeah, the whole "she's too old" I don't buy, even with the whole saying about it. Ever heard of "show, don't tell?"

Regarding Kuvira's skills:

1) When I said "regular" Metalbender, I meant it like she has no ability particularly unique or insanely powerful. True she is skilled, but there is nothing special about her skills. At best she is the bender equivalent of a Badass Normal.

2) She ONLY kicked Korra's ass because Korra was still recovering from a long-period physical AND mental trauma. And had Korra not suffered that stupid Dark Korra visions she would have bitten the dust. So yeah, not impressed. At all. As for sending Jinora and the rest packing, that's not hard task when you have an army behind you.

As for the whole Su assassination attempt thing, I consider it Su grabbing the Idiot Ball. No ruler in her right mind would go for an assassination attempt by herself.

And for all the things you list, she is still ridiculously weaker than the previous antagonist. I mean, season 1 gave us a Bloodbender who could de-power benders and use his abilities without the Full Moon. Season 2 gave us a guy who fused with the local Satan to become a Dark Avatar, thus threatening the entire world. Season 3, an entire order lead by a team who were each a One-Man Army, and who wanted to destroy the Avatar and the Universe's order with it. Season 4? Female Hitler who wants to turn the Earth Kingdom into a Dictatorship. Wow.

What more could you ask for?

Well, for starter, having the Spirits actually take part in the battle. Toph, the Fire Nation and Zuko could have been nice too. Also, I would have liked a battle that involved more bending and less about Giant Robots, which kinda feel out of place in Avatar.

But I digress. The fact is you misunderstood me. I didn't mean the FINAL BATTLE wasn't spectacular enough (though I do think it could have been better, and didn't hold a candle to Last Airbender's season finale), I meant Kuvira's final moment wasn't. Again, when I see a villain THAT invincible, I think it's worth it only if he or she falls hard. I wanted her to have a big Villainous Breakdown, have Korra really kick her asses, and really have her lose it and get her comuppeance. Basically, I expected an Azula-level of Breakdown. But she relatively kept her cool until the end of the battle (some felt she did lose her cool but I didn't perceive it that much), her final fight with Korra has them fight on relatively equal ground, and when they finally have her break, it's used for an Alas, Poor Villain, which I felt she didn't deserve.

MiinU Since: Jun, 2011
09/26/2015 00:00:00

"Again, what you say about Toph doesn't change anything to the fact we see NO sign of her being weakened."

We already saw she was aged and hunched over. What'd you want her to do? Try to fight Kuvira and throw out her back?

"When I say "regular" Metalbender, I meant it like she has no ability particularly unique or insanely powerful."

Neither did Amon and the others.

  • Bloodbending? Seen it (Hanma, Katara, Yakone, Tarrlok).
  • Taking people's bending away? Ty Lee pioneered that and Aang perfected it, 'cuz his version was permanent.
  • Unalaq's spiritbending was nothing new either. According to the Lion Turtle, people were doing that ages ago, before they learned how to bend the elements.
  • P'Li was a feminine version of Combustion Man and Ming Hua didn't do anything Katara and Kya couldn't have.

Zaheer wasn't especially powerful either, since Kya was able to fight evenly with him and Tenzin was dominating him, even when Zaheer had help from Gazhaan and Ming Hua. It took all 4 of them ganging up on Tenzin at once to beat him.

So Kuvira was in good company, if we're being honest. None of the major villains were uber powered, but they all excelled at their bending forms. The lone exception to that was Unalaq and that was only because he bonded his soul with Vaatu's.

But that's one of the things I appreciated about Avatar and LoK, unlike other shows, the villains didn't have to be uber powered in order to be a threat. Even the mooks can pose a challenge (i.e. the Yuyan Archers, the Dai Li, the Equalists, etc.). I wish more shows took that approach, instead adhering to The Sorting Algorithm Of Evil.

"At best, she is the bender equivalent of a Badass Normal."

She was more like a badass Abnormal, 'cuz the way she used her metalbending, she may as well had TK.

"Season 4? A female Hitler who wants to turn the Earth Kingdom into a Dictatorship. Wow."

More like the military counterpart to the protagonist, who was striving for the same goal, but taking a different road to get there.

"Also, I would have liked a battle that involved more bending and less about Giant Robots, which feel kinda out of place in Avatar."

No it wasn't, it was a natural progression of the series. The FN was industrialized in the previous series. 70 years later, the world had automobiles, radio, bi-planes, aircraft carriers, and thanks to Varrik, motion pictures. Their world has steadily been evolving along with the advancements in their technology. It'd only seem out of place if they suddenly dropped it to go back to the way things were, with traditional bending battles.

"Again, when I see a villain THAT invincible, I think it's worth it only if he or she falls hard."

If you thought Kuvira is invincible, I'd love to introduce you to Love Espada, from Maken-ki! (take a look at the God Mode Sue entry here.

"I wanted to see her have a big Villainous Breakdown"

If that'd happened, people would be calling her a rehash of Azula.

Instead, we got a Motive Rant to the tune of, I Did What I Had to Do. That wasn't meant to make us feel sorry for her, it let us see where she was coming from.

"She only kicked Korra's ass because was still recovering from a long-period physical and mental trauma."

And yet...

"her final fight with Korra has them fight on relatively equal ground"

...which proved Kuvira could match Korra even at her best. Making both showings impressive.

MrMallard Since: Oct, 2010
09/27/2015 00:00:00

I will say that even with the industrialized universe, I'm still more of a fan of bending than mecha and tech.

Why all this fuss over a 68 word troll review?

Theokal3 Since: Jan, 2012
09/27/2015 00:00:00

@Miin U: I think we already established with characters like the entire original White Lotus that being aged and hunchback was not sufficient to establish a character as weakened by age in this show. Especially not when in her case she shows she can still pretty much kick ass.

Neither did Amon and the others.

... You haven't been paying attention to what I said, have you?

We might have seen bloodbending before, but it was established as rare, and those capable of doing it without a full moon even rarer. Ty Lee merely paralyzed people using martial arts and Aang could de-bend people because he was the friggin Avatar, making him unique in that case. P'li and Combustion Man both were clearly established as exceptional cases too (in flashbacks, Sokka listed Combustion Man as a rare case of Bender), and Ming-Huan can bend without harm, something I don't remember either Katara or Kya doing. As for Unalaq, what I listed as unique with him was the fact he made a deal with an Eldritch Abomination and became the Avatar's Evil Counterpart, NOT his Spiritbending.

I'll admit Zaheer was pretty much a regular Airbender at first, but he arrives in a time where Airbenders have pretty much been exterminated, he had a powerful group to back him up, he developped his flight later on, and more importantly unlike Kuvira, he had real difficulty reaching his objectives. Again, it took him the whole season to successfully catch Korra, and somehow they managed to not make him look inefficient because of this. You gotta admire that.

Again, all of them had rare and unique abilities. Kuvira's metalbending, by this point in the show, had become pretty much commonplace, and she isn't even close to be the best at it (that would be Toph and her daughters), not to mention it's an aility Korra has herself. Her sole particularly rare and unique shtick was a big army and eventually an unrealistically giant robot. I couldn't help but think that the moment Korra would finally recover once and for all she would probably kick her ass in five seconds. I had no such feeling with the other villains.

She was more like a badass Abnormal, 'cuz the way she used her metalbending, she may as well had TK.

That's less a unique power and more a fighting style. I don't think that's something impossible to do to any bender. Granted it looks cool, but it's not that powerful.

"More like the military counterpart to the protagonist, who was striving for the same goal, but taking a different road to get there."

Which I'll grant you is potentially interesting (and would have been more interesting if the two had more exchange on the topic), but still pretty weak compared to what Korra faced before. Making you wonder why she struggles to face this when she had defeated worse in previous seasons.

"No it wasn't, it was a natural progression of the series. The FN was industrialized in the previous series. 70 years later, the world had automobiles, radio, bi-planes, aircraft carriers, and thanks to Varrik, motion pictures. Their world has steadily been evolving along with the advancements in their technology. It'd only seem out of place if they suddenly dropped it to go back to the way things were, with traditional bending battles."

... Okay, fair enough on that one.

"If you thought Kuvira is invincible, I'd love to introduce you to Love Espada, from Maken-ki! (take a look at the God Mode Sue entry here."

Just because there are worse cases than her doesn't mean she is not a bad case herself. Heck, without checking your page I can think of quite a few villains who had it worse than she did. That doesn't mean she is not an example of this, just that she is a lesser case.

If that'd happened, people would be calling her a rehash of Azula.

I said in the same vein, not the same. As in something as spectacular and with the same Catharsis for those who couldn't stand seeing her win over and over again. That could have been easily done without copying Azula.

Instead, we got a Motive Rant to the tune of, I Did What I Had to Do. That wasn't meant to make us feel sorry for her, it let us see where she was coming from.

I think it has been established long ago where she was coming from, even without a motive rant. The only thing we didn't know why she did it was the whole Ethnic Cleansing, and guess what? That rant failed to explain that.

"...which proved Kuvira could match Korra even at her best. Making both showings impressive."

Or making her unrealistically good. The Avatar is a Physical God controlling all elements who can rip montaigns apart. And unlike Aang or Korra's earlier days, this can't be blamed on the lack of experience. That fight was the equivalent of seeing Batman fighting on equal ground with Superman without the use of either kryptonite, powered armor or anything to give him edge: it breaks my suspension of disbelief.

@Mr Mallard: digression, my friend, digression^^

425599167 Since: Mar, 2013
09/27/2015 00:00:00

Encouraging as it is to see a civil discussion on this, would you two mind just PM each other? Mr Mallard is right, this is just a troll review (by someone who was banned for trying to start edit wars over same-sex couples) and we should just let activity die.

Theokal3 Since: Jan, 2012
09/27/2015 00:00:00

Understood. Sorry about this.

425599167 Since: Mar, 2013
09/27/2015 00:00:00

Thank you. No need to apologize.

MrMallard Since: Oct, 2010
09/27/2015 00:00:00

Weren't the later 2 seasons about the Avatar's relevance waning, and a bunch of mental blocks/self-esteem issues on Korra's end stemming from that and the constant fighting?

I'm legitimately asking, I stopped watching after season one because screw that finale. I'm definitely thinking of picking it up again because it drops that love triangle garbage. All I know past season one is that Mako becomes more of a dick, then less of a dick, before Korra burns out on being the Avatar and eventually overcomes adversity because the Avatar series is all about that. And the ending, which is a flip of season one's and something I like the sound of 250% better.

Beatman1 Since: Feb, 2014
09/27/2015 00:00:00

I honestly wouldn't recommend any of the rest to you. Season 2 is considered terrible even by fans of the series, Season 3 is more or less done at an attempt at an apology but the series goes nowhere, and Season 4 is rushed, unsatisfying, and the ending feels sleazy.

MiinU Since: Jun, 2011
09/27/2015 00:00:00

@MrMallard: I'm one of the few, who actually liked season 2 (excluding the parts with Lin gripping the Idiot Ball) so take the following with a grain of salt (won't spoil).

That said, yes, I'd say it's worth picking up again. If only so you can form your own opinion about it, rather than going off what you may have heard. However, even if you find that you don't like season 2, seasons 3 and 4 more than make up for it.

If you're interested, here's a fanmade trailer for 'JrTVAJwpo28'"Book 4: Balance".''

MiinU Since: Jun, 2011
09/27/2015 00:00:00

Screwed up again, you can see it here.

425599167 Since: Mar, 2013
09/27/2015 00:00:00

Mr Mallard, I would recommend the series. What you described is on point. Be warned, Book 2 is a slump, but rewatching it, it's Better on DVD because not waiting a week fixes some pacing issues.

"Sleazy", "rushed"? Really, Beatman1? Do you want to start this again?

Beatman1 Since: Feb, 2014
09/27/2015 00:00:00

It's really getting ridiculous how you go out of your way to call out and attack people who dislike the ending for a multitude of reasons.

Beatman1 Since: Feb, 2014
09/27/2015 00:00:00

@Mr Mallard, you're going to find opinions on the series are divisive, but if you dislike Book 1's romance, the best way to describe it is that Season 2 doubles down on romantic angst, 3 only focuses on romance among the supporting cast, and 4 does the same till the last episode. Hope this helps.

omegafire17 Since: Apr, 2010
09/27/2015 00:00:00

425599167 didn't call out/attack your opinion, Beatman1; just (probably) exasperatedly asking if you're gonna bring that up again. I realize I'm very much out of the discussion, yet still

We know your opinion, and we disagree in various ways - it should be as simple as that for all sides, no one attacking anyone

@Mr Mallard I would recommend watching the rest. Season 2 is the weakest of the seasons, but it's ending sets up Season 3 (which in turn sets up Season 4), and explains the origins of the Avatar in one of it's best moments - at the very least, it'll tell you how events have changed for the next two seasons, which generally are some of their better work for this series imo.

425599167 Since: Mar, 2013
09/27/2015 00:00:00

More matter-of-fact than exasperated, but still, yes. Thank you, omegafire17.

IukaSylvie Since: Oct, 2017
04/21/2018 00:00:00

Unsatisfying, Unfocused, and Utterly Broken

The series, taken as a whole, is a broken mess of inconsistent characterization and awful writing. The series features the worst ending. Of all time.

I completely agree with you, detective 27.


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