Discussion YMMV / PokemonUltraSunAndUltraMoon

I believe the entry should be kept regardless of divisiveness. While there are some fans who don't like the fight against Ultra Necrozma, there are also many fans who do like the fight and people can have different opinions. Though the second paragraph should be deleted due to it being improperly indented natter that is redundant with the Broken Base entry on the fight that's already on the page.

I also argue that it would be kept-heck, even shorten the bottom part to something amongst the lines of " there is some divisiveness in this regard, as shown under Broken Base and Base-Breaking Character", because the complaints 1) come from a very Vocal Minority 2) Even within that minority a good few agree that it worked for story reasons, this one time, and just say they don't want to see more boss battles like these.

Based in their description, this is not actually divisive. In this case, remove the Broken Base and Base-Breaking Character examples sounds as a good idea.

Done.

Spoilers for what his role consists of: the Ghetsis in this game is from a reality in which he succeeded in his initial plan but was brought into this game's reality by Giovanni to be part of Team Rainbow Rocket. Though he The Dragon for Giovanni, Ghetsis has come to rationalize that the reason he was brought from his reality to this reality was so that he could use his perchance for exploitation and skillful manipulations to usurp control of Team Rainbow Rocket for himself and then, using Giovanni as his new "king" in N's place, along with all of the Aether Foundation's resources and an army of Ultra Beasts at Team Rainbow Rocket's disposal for good measure, he can travel between worlds pulling his Pokemon Liberation crusade con on all the worlds so that all trainers and all Pokemon in all realities are separated from each other, and as a result, Ghetsis can consolidate more power for himself and dominate all the worlds as he pleases. In his own words, if he can make good use of Giovanni as his pawn, he could reign supreme above all of existence. Above all of existence. This is fully crossing into A God Am I territory. He's seen a way in which he can become supreme god emperor of the entire multiverse, so he's going to jump at that opportunity and make the best use of all the pawns, Pokemon, and resources at his disposal in order to realize his twisted ambitions. Then after losing to the Player Character and undergoing his traditional This Cannot Be! Villainous Breakdown, Ghetsis, refusing to accept his defeat and let the PC and Lillie go ahead to face Giovanni, rushes over to Lillie and physically strikes her down onto the floor, telling the PC "if you value this girls life, then throw down your Poke'Balls!". If the PC says no, Ghetsis scowls "Then you leave me no choice, the girl must...". Yeah, he says in no uncertain terms that he's going to murder Lillie if the PC doesn't surrender to him. He's very explicit in his threat, and this murder attempt differs from his prior ones due to not only him physically assaulting Lillie by backhanding her beforehand, but there's no way he's going to kill her with his Pokemon since they've all just been KO'D - he's going to murder the girl by his own bare hand. Yet again Ghetsis shows that he has no compunction doing things that other villains in this setting do not and would not typically do, crossing lines that other villains don't cross. He has no standards whatsoever since he'd do anything if the results greatly serviced him and furthered his selfish, power-grabbing schemes, goals, and ambitions. On top of that, Ghetsis is shown to be the single villain in this game devoid of any redeeming qualities or mitigating factors to his villainy, and the ONLY boss among them all to not accept defeat and step aside after losing a battle to The Hero, AND the only one to resort to physical assault and threatening child murder in order to get his way (a show of cruelty that even Lusamine would find totally out of line). As such, he has to be sent back to his own dimension by force through Colress' machine rather than leaving voluntarily. Had this not happened, he would have kept on going with his crimes until he got what he desired. As Colress puts it, Ghetsis is a man with power to match his ambitions, and this makes him a dangerous individual not to be taken lightly.

So with Ghetsis setting himself apart from all the other bosses and standing out relative to all the other villains in the core game serious due to how self-serving, exploitative, sadistic, abusive, deranged, dangerous, and utterly wicked a person he continuously proves himself to be, I'd say, personally, that I feel he's definitely the closest thing to a Complete Monster as the games have got in terms of character. However, do not for a second think this means his permablock will be undone, because his deeds in all three of the games he's featured in still come up pretty short compared to how much more heinous he could've been. Even in this game, he states his means to his depraved end goal would be just to pull the same "release all Pokemon" scam he pulled before but with Giovanni in place of N, which is rather underwhelming, and threatening to murder a child, while horrible, certainly isn't unique to him since Lysandre and Lusamine have been homicidal towards children as well, with Lusamine trying to kill her own daughter in Sun and Moon. He might be definitively over the baseline now in terms of goals and deeds, and his characterization is absolutely in line with the trope without a doubt, but if his crimes don't quite go the extra mile in their nature, effects and consequences that would be needed to make him a qualifier in spite of the more destructive Omnicidal Maniac villains that he shares a setting with, then he can't fit the trope 100%. It's a verdict that I'll never be fully in agreement with but oh well, there's still his manga incarnation.

The Monster Forum is the place to take this (remember to wait until Dec. 1, so everyone has time to judge).

When that day comes, we'll see how it goes. I'm just putting it out here ahead of time that I feel nobody counts in this game, with only Ghetsis getting anywhere close to the trope's proximity, ironic as that might be.

Welp I check a month later and it seems Ghetsis didn't make the cut. Again.

Sorry Ghetsis.

Not really, and I don't think many people like they were screwed over. That's how pretty much all in-game trades ever have worked. Plus the trade results in you getting a trade evolution either way, which is almost impossible to get if you don't have friends or use the shoddy GTS.

This isn't a normal in-game trade though. This is a trade solely for the purpose of making a pokemon evolve. Who does evolution trades with the intent of keeping the pokemon they received from the other trainer?

Who trades someone a Haunter holding an Everstone?

An asshole, and that's why I think that hiker should be considered a scrappy.

I'd vote no. There is actually a brief mention of it. The following conversation, quoting directly from Ultra Moon, happens shortly after fighting Lusamine at Aether Paradise.

Phyco: "In truth, we are not strong. We have not needed to be. We use technology to resolve any problem that arises in our lives. That is why we had discussed finding some human we could send through to our world to battle with Pokemon on our behalf." Gladion: "What was that you just said?! You said you were going to send someone back to your world? Do you know some other way to open an Ultra Wormhole?!" Phyco: "The altar on Poni... The Pokemon that appears there is known as the beast that calls the moon." Soliera: "We borrowed such a brute's power ourselves to come here to Alola."

I'll admit that they're pretty vague on the details, but even vague foreshadowing is still foreshadowing.

It's the Same, Now It Sucks! might fit better? The services and items offered are practically the same as they were in SM, i.e. most facilities still have the same problem as coming in more varieties than but each offering less services than their Join Avenue equivalents, on top of most of the good services still being locked until the game is beaten.

On the subject of Scrappy Mechanic, the Battle Agency seems to be pretty unpopular. People are saying that it's a half-arsed version of the Battle Factory because the rental system isn't truly random like the Factory's was. When you and your opponents rank up, your partners don't unless they do as well in their own games, and you're stuck with the same team and opponents until you win a fight.

Also, I've been hearing rumours that the game does something to your partners if you don't go online or connect for over a day, akin to what happens with the FC payouts for NPC requests.

I concur

Ask for it to be added in this thread

I believe so. Very little is known about the game at this point, so there wasn't much meaningful audience reaction to trope aside from really nitpicky stuff.