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So, do the Nambu Type 96 and Type 99 Light Machine Guns go here or in Cool Guns? I remember that the Japanese only built 50,000 of each.
The HK Mark 23's "Tears of the Sun" listing probably isn't accurate.
The film came out in 2003, only 7 years after the MK 23 was adopted, and though even then it wasn't a popular gun, the .45 guns that are used to substitute it today like the HK 45 weren't around then. For SEA Ls on a dangerous, close quarters & stealthy jungle mission as depicted in the film, the MK 23 actually made a reasonable amount of sense.
Especially when you consider that the other "common" sidearms at the time were the P226, M9, and older M1911s.
I notice we keep readding a section about the Stg 44's reliability, about how the receiver is fragile and it could be disabled by just leaning it against a wall and dropping it. As far as I can tell, though, other than one source, I haven't found anything else to back it up, and everything else that says it seems to be copying and pasting it from the old Wikipedia page. Anyone else have any more information?
The Nambu Type 100 wasn't the only smg to use a bayonet, the Sten and the Sterling both were capable of attaching one.
Do we really need Handheld Gatling Guns both here and under Machine Guns?
Why not? These tropes are fairly different, an example can appear on both.
I`m considering adding the Spectre M4 SMG on this list. For context it was an Italian SMG that was developed in the 80`s as a counter-terroist and police weapon. However it did not catch and was only limited to the Italian and Swiss forces. Even their civilian semi-auto counterparts like the Falcon and Ranger are scare too.
IMFDB page right there.
Added the weapon. Feel free to do anything with it.
Added a section on 10mm pistols and SMGs, as it's not a particularly common caliber (and showing no signs of gaining in popularity) yet it seems to be THE caliber of choice for sidearms in near-future sci-fi.
Does the TEC-9 count, given that the manufacturer effectively got sued out of business after it was used in some rather infamous incidents?
I was looking at the Wikipedia page for the SPAS-12 and it made me wonder what qualifies it as a rare gun.
According to said page the SPAS-12 is used by special forces units in Pakistan, Iraq, Malaysia, Bahrain, India, Ireland, Austria, Indonesia and Bangladesh, as well as by American SWAT teams in several states. Additional it lists that both the SPAS-12 and its pump-action only variant the SAS-12 have both sold well to civilian markets. It was also the former shotgun of choice for the Italian and Portuguese military and was only partially replaced by the SPAS-15 in both respective countries. In fact, the SPAS-15 mentioned on the trope page has fewer users and was produced in less quantities than the SPAS-12, making it the rarer of the two guns. The only reason I can see it being listed as a rare gun here is because the SPAS-12 was banned from being imported into the US civilian market in 1994, with only a 180 SPAS-12's being imported before hand, meaning that it would qualify as a rare gun solely in the US of A. It is not a rare gun world wide.
Just figured I would inform you guys of this, since I figure that being new here I don't really have the right to make any major edits to this page.
Since no one replied I assume no one cares so I'll just leave this here and be done with it.
While it's capable of both pump-action and semi-automatic fire (the latter preferable in combat, the former being intended for firing less-lethal ammo like bean bag and baton rounds, which have insufficient power to cycle the action), this is seldom depicted in movies since the action is incapable of cycling with blank ammunition. While video games obviously aren't subject to the blank-firing limitation, many of them depict the SPAS as pump-action only as well; presumably this is either because the developers got their idea of how it works from movies, or simply due to Rule of Cool.
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I've played numerous Ghost Recon games and, PC mods aside, don't recall there ever being a Mark 23 in any of them.
I noticed the following comment on the page:
Perhaps that gun should be split off to its own page to allow the example list to be reopened?
PSG-1 isn't a Rare Gun. Here's what I cut:
FNH SCAR examples - not Rare Guns any more.
This is a bit of an unusual one, but what about the Ferguson rifle? 1770 is a bit earlier than most of the weapons on this page, but I remember seeing it mentioned as the inspiration for a gun made by a primitive alien civilization in On Basilisk Station, and it's reputation as "the first military breechloader" is apparently mythic enough that the essay describing the worldbuilding decisions for firearms in the Sixteen Thirty Two universe specifically mentioned that they did not judge it practical.
Just wondering, but should I remove the "no compatibility with RIS attachments due to obvious lack of rails" on the XM 8 entry? There's pictures of variants with rails, but they were 2005-ish and probably after cancellation.
The rail system used was a proprietary one by H&K, and not compatiable with RIS or RAS mountings without adaptors.
Actually, the PSG 1 is a rare gun, as Heckler and Koch no longer make them, militaries haven't adopted it due to the price, and There are cheaper variants of the PSG 1. It should be on the rare gun page.
The PSG-1 is not a rare gun. Its quite popular with police units world wide. The FBI alone has dozens of them (Its the standard sniper weapon of FBI SWAT and HRT teams, alongside the M 40 A 1). And while the basic PSG-1 isn't used by very many militaries, its cousin the MSG-90 (essentially a PSG-1 with different furniture) is used by numerous militaries, as well as civilian shooters, on befit of it being less costly.
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How well does it match the trope?