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TheAltoonaKing Since: Jul, 2018

Sep 12th 2023 at 4:17:30 AM •••

Would a Playing With page of this be possible? It'd be Just for Fun, of course, but also a bit educational as well. I know that Playing With Administrivia "Tropes" is uncommon because they're, well, not tropes, but I think in a few cases they can be educational.

macroscopic [[color:purple:♏]] Since: Jul, 2009

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Apr 21st 2010 at 10:50:29 PM •••

Nuked the examples list. On the one hand, alot of these are verifiably false and on the other, if there is something wrong with them bring it up in the Trope Repair Shop, don't just passive-aggressively list it on another page.

Examples

Rape The Dog was viewed by way too many people as basically "Kick the Dog, but eviler" before being mercifully taken out behind the barn. To give an idea of the difference, Kick the Dog was showing a character as evil by doing something pointless just to inflict pain, Rape The Dog / Moral Event Horizon is an act that shows a character to be evil by doing something so depraved that the character loses all sympathy. It's a rare and relative thing, but you'll know it when you see it.
- A Magnificent Bastard can kick a dog and still be magnificent; a villain can kick a dog and still be Draco in Leather Pants, and then perhaps undergo a Heel–Face Turn. Once they cross the Moral Event Horizon, however, the character is nigh irredeemable (A Complete Monster is the one who is is entirely irredeemable) — or at any rate redemption will make him a Karma Houdini and possibly push the entire work into Darker and Edgier.
It's been argued that Magnificent Bastard is The Same But More of The Chessmaster. The Magnificent Bastard is notable for his audacity and charismatic evil as much as his brilliance, but then, that's really rather subjective, isn't it?
- Some have been bemused by the assumed connection between The Chessmaster and the Magnificent Bastard. On the one hand we have an individual who makes plans and another who is a villain and who is magnificent with absolutely no requirement to make plans. Neither of the two Magnificent Bastard trope namers were chessmasters. The problem is defining "magnificent".
- The defining character of a Magnificent Bastard was originally that while viewers, readers, and/or other characters may never agree with the MB, and may not even like him, it is impossible not to respect them. A little part of us wants to be that big a bastard. This is not necessarily true of The Chessmaster. And, while the classic Magnificent Bastard is usually a gifted plans within plans kind of person, there are occasionally lesser versions.... Dennis Leary's stage persona comes to mind. Comes to your house, drinks your beer, flirts with your wife.... damn you want to be him.
  - This is an example of a trope that started off fairly well defined, but due to various things like examples that went off topic and a very wordy and vague description that left the reader with "I don't know what this character is...but he sounds awesome!" Several months and forum topics later and the page has been refined to something much closer to what it is supposed to be.
  - A real-time, observed example of memetic mutation, anyone?
The trope formerly known as First And Ten Syndrome was deleted because it was decided that the concept was basically "Cerebus Syndrome, only done badly", and many Edit Wars occurred where examples were constantly in transit between the two.
Demonic Spiders is receiving flak for being The Same But More of Goddamned Bats, although Goddamned Bats was growing way too long.
- It really isn't; Goddamned Bats refers to an enemy that, although annoying as hell, is weak and relatively easy to dispatch. Demonic Spiders refers to an enemy that is not only annoying as hell, but also extremely deadly on top of that. The latter is a specific variation on the former, which turns up way too much for the two pages to be merged.
  - Goddamn Bats was originally what Demonic Spiders is now. It got watered down do much they had to split off what it was supposed to be...
The Ditz is The Ditz, but dumber. And stranger.
Damsel Scrappy is basically The Load, only it's a girl. Changing the name helped.
Encyclopedia Browned is Dan Browned, only more of a Wall Banger.
- Technically, it's a specific subtrope of Dan Browned. It's when the inaccurate plot element was the clue key to cracking the case in a whodunnit.
They Just Didn't Care was Adaptation Decay, but worse.
- On a side note, In Name Only isn't supposed to be The Same But More of Adaptation Decay, but half of the examples are.
No Fourth Wall is basically "Breaking the Fourth Wall all the time". Oddly enough, the No Fourth Wall article existed first, and Breaking The Fourth Wall was split off because the article was getting too long.
Critical Research Failure is just Did Not Do The Research, but stupider.
- Although there's no examples in Did Not Do The Research, so you have to put anything unutterably stupid that doesn't fit in the tropes listed in DNDTR on the Critical Research Failure page.
  - Which completely ignores the entire point of Did Not Do The Research having no example, instead being a index of more specific tropes it would be better for them to be under.
Showy Invincible Hero is Boring Invincible Hero with a highly subjective Justifying Edit attached.
High Octane Nightmare Fuel is very often treated as Nightmare Fuel But More. The actual distinction is that Nightmare Fuel is (supposed to be) unintentionally scary.
Dangerously Genre-Savvy is often treated like more than a Genre Savvy, when the primary difference is supposed to be 'This is a villain who uses their Genre Savvy to ignore having the Villain Ball, and defeat the heroes, or at least endanger them.'
Platform Hell is often treated like Nintendo Hard, but more difficult although Platform Hell is when lots of Fake Difficulty and Trial-and-Error Gameplay is deliberately put in the game.

Support stupid freshness, yo.

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