Ask The Tropers

It's still a ZCE. It would read as nonsense to anyone who doesn't already know what "the girl power scene" is.

I do know what the entry is talking about, and while it's certainly pandering, it's not pandering to "the base" in the way Pandering to the Base refers to.

Not an Example.

Hmph, I figured as much. I see the edit has been dealt with; should I PM them directly or has that already been done?

That scene killed my suspension of disbelief; the moment I saw every female character (sans Black Widow) crowd around Spidey from God-knows-where, despite not even knowing each other, I was forcibly reminded that I was watching a movie trying its damnest to pander to woke culture.

This scene is simply not mentioned anywhere, & it should be, due to how cringe y it is. Maybe under "We're still relevant, dammit"?

I read how my example is actually a ZCE, so I provided more context.

TBH I don't know if any context will ever make it a good fit due to the Square Peg Round Trope problem High Crate mentioned above. An attempt at pandering of some kind and in questionable taste, perhaps, but not really to a "base" per se.

Also, "woke culture"? From Disney? Don't make me laugh.

Lol. Disney is pretty conservative.

Btw guys his edit history has some interesting stuff.

Here on franchise original sin he railed on ghostbusters 2016 for creating the trend of female led spinoffs while uh not realising that trope requires it to be well recived in the first place and later becoming an issue. Several of the films he cited are also pretty well received so adds to the oddness.

Disney is passive-progressive, as they say.

I mean, in real life what we call such an unearned moment of back-patting as Avengers Endgame's "every female character we have roll call" scene is "virtue signaling."

But that's not a trope, nor should it be, because it's a heavily politicized concept that would almost certainly turn into a nightmare of ROCEJ problems.

I think it's probably okay for us to just quietly agree that that scene was kinda lame, without needing to slap a label on it and list it on a YMMV page.

Are you talking about the awesome ensemble shot that was a Gender Flip of the Old Guard Avengers? It's exactly as unearned as the original shots; used as a quick way to visually establish "The Heroes" before they start beating down. A large proportion of the big battle was various ensemble shots so that everyone could cheer for their favourite support heroes (sidekicks). Typical fanservice used for promotions, just like twenty other shots in the exact same film.

I think we just figured out who that scene was pandering to. (:

I'm glad you enjoyed it.

So Kelvin G added the entry again under MST3K Mantra. I still don't think it fits under the spirit of the entry, as it's using it to justify complaining, but most examples of the trope are to criticize the kinds of people who do that sort of thing. In other words, shoehorning into something that's the opposite of it in intention.

What crazysamaritan said. That scene was awesome. And might I add, it's unique in that none of the heroines is shot in an overtly sexualized pose or in an otherwise fanservice-y way (see Charlie's Angels for examples). They're female, they're badass, and they're ready to kick the villain's ass.

Problem is, when you stop and think about it a little it loses a bit of its awesomeness because all these badass female characters are coming to Captain Marvel's aid. The same person who was just shown pile-driving through a big-ass spaceship, and who can take a headbutt from Thanos without flinching.

It kind of makes me wonder if this could this be mentioned under Narm Charm, because its still awesome despite its flaws.

Look, guys, even if there's something to this person's issues with the scene in question, this comes off to me as just trying to import drama from elsewhere. We had a similar situation on Bob Chipman where a pair of Memetic Mutation entries were clearly importing drama from Twitter regarding "controversial" takes from Bob that didn't inform his work in any way, and not so long ago someone tried to whinge about "the infamous faux-progressivism and "woke culture" shown in other Disney films like The Rise of Skywalker". These edits come off as really bad faith to me as a result.

Personally while being very pro-feminist I found the scene of all the heroines gathering a little Narmy in the general sense, and I know I'm far from alone in this. At most it's a bit of a Broken Base between people who thought it was unironically a nice moment, and people like me who found it a bit cheesy and hollow but otherwise easy to ignore, but actual contentious opinions (the wholly negative opinions are usually from the misogynist crowds, and the ultra-positive ones are usually from Tumblr stans) are too rare for it to truly qualify.

Honestly, the edit history here makes me very suspicious of this person regardless of one's feelings on the scene in question.

Even if we ignore the post he made in this thread (which proves the OP's suspicions), this guy definitely has an agenda. He also just added YMMV pages to Kathleen Kennedy and Rian Johnson, and the last time I checked, creators aren't even supposed to have YMMV pages (unless they talk about their work and not them personally, in which the latter has that rule broken with non-YMMV entries like Jerkass and Never My Fault).

Woah the ymmv page they made fof rian johnson is bad. Like theirs alot of complaining

• Jerkass - Posting “Your Snoke theory sucks" to insult digruntled fans after intentionally directing a base-breaking movie as part of a long running franchise is not something a director would normally do.
• Never My Fault - blames Gamergate for fan dissatisfaction over the current state of Star Wars instead of admitting his role in breaking the fandom in half.
• Protection from Editors: Kathleen Kennedy gives him in all works related to Star Wars.

Well I've seen enough. Somebody call the mods. Report edit warring, agenda-based editing, putting non-YMMV tropes on a YMMV page, using YMMV pages to complain about things, creating a YMMV page for a creator troping the person not the work, drama importation and anything I missed.

Nevermind I did it myself.

Looked at those edits, and what can I say but yikes. Especially since he linked to one angry gamer.

Suspended.