Follow TV Tropes

Following

History YMMV / AvengersEndgame

Go To



** Thor freezing up while recapping the events of ''[[Film/ThorTheDarkWorld The Dark World]]'' when he remembers the death of his mother and his breakup with Jane is tragic. Him recapping the events of ''TDW'' in a way [[note]][[DoesThisRemindYouOfAnything a foreign entity went inside Jane's body, so because Thor was dating her at the time, he took her home to meet his parents whereupon it was decided that they needed to remove the thing from her body]][[/note]] that makes it sound like [[DoesThisRemindYouOfAnything a thinly-veiled "Jane needs an abortion" joke]] is utterly hysterical.
** Thor having fallen into a deep depression because he failed to save the universe from Thanos is heartbreaking. Thor delivering a snarling, graphically violent threat to a ''child'' over the phone for [[DisproportionateRetribution repeatedly killing Korg in]] ''VideoGame/{{Fortnite}}'' is side-splittingly hilarious.

to:

** Thor also dips into this trope a few times:
*** Him
freezing up while recapping the events of ''[[Film/ThorTheDarkWorld The Dark World]]'' when he remembers the death of his mother and his breakup with Jane is tragic. Him recapping the events of ''TDW'' in a way [[note]][[DoesThisRemindYouOfAnything a foreign entity went inside Jane's body, so because Thor was dating her at the time, he took her home to meet his parents whereupon it was decided that they needed to remove the thing from her body]][[/note]] that makes it sound like [[DoesThisRemindYouOfAnything a thinly-veiled "Jane needs an abortion" joke]] is utterly hysterical.
** Thor *** Him having fallen into a deep depression because he failed to save the universe from Thanos is heartbreaking. Thor Him delivering a snarling, graphically violent threat to a ''child'' over the phone for [[DisproportionateRetribution repeatedly killing Korg in]] ''VideoGame/{{Fortnite}}'' is side-splittingly hilarious.



to:

----



** Despite the fact that both of them are very competent allies, only Hope Van Dyne shows up to aid Scott in the final battle -- neither of her parents are anywhere to be seen until Tony's funeral. Especially disappointing in the case of Janet Van Dyne's exclusion from the "Girl Power" shot, as she's been a superhero longer than ''any'' of those women and the MCU tends to cast fairly young actresses for its [[ActionGirl heroines]] -- Okoye and Pepper are the only characters in that shot played by women older than 40.

to:

** Despite the fact that both of them are very competent allies, only Hope Van Dyne shows up to aid Scott in the final battle -- battle; neither of her parents are anywhere to be seen until Tony's funeral. Especially disappointing in the case of Janet Van Dyne's exclusion from the "Girl Power" shot, as she's been a superhero longer than ''any'' of those women and the MCU tends to cast fairly young actresses for its [[ActionGirl heroines]] heroines -- Okoye Pepper, Okoye, and Pepper Gamora are the only characters in that shot played by women older than 40.40[[note]]During principal photography, Creator/GwynethPaltrow was 46, and Creator/DanaiGurira and Creator/ZoeSaldana were both 40[[/note]].



** While Thanos' presence is as impressive as it was in the previous film, Hulk in this film is also a grand case of motion capture. Hulk and Banner have fused into the same person now, and even though the audience is watching their favorite green bruiser, Mark Ruffalo's likeness comes through amazingly well. [[labelnote:Furthermore...]]There's also a good amount of differences between the Hulk in 2012 and Professor Hulk. 2012 Hulk has a darker shade of green for his skin color and looks less like Banner in the face, where Professor Hulk looks more like Banner and is a different shade of green, even in ''new'' shots made for this film set in 2012. Mark Ruffalo's voice also has a slower cadence to it and it's been pitch-shifted down a bit, contrasted perfectly when the Ancient One makes him astral project out of his body, where Banner looks normal and speaks faster and in Mark Ruffalo's normal voice pitch to differentiate the 2 forms of Banner really well.[[/labelnote]]

to:

** While Thanos' presence is as impressive as it was in the previous film, Hulk in this film is also a grand case of motion capture. Hulk and Banner have fused into the same person now, and even though the audience is watching their favorite green bruiser, Mark Ruffalo's likeness comes through amazingly well. [[labelnote:Furthermore...]]There's also a good amount of differences between the Hulk in 2012 and Professor Hulk. 2012 Hulk has a darker shade of green for his skin color and looks less like Banner in the face, where Professor Hulk looks more like Banner and is a different shade of green, even in ''new'' shots made for this film set in 2012. Mark Ruffalo's voice also has a slower cadence to it and it's been pitch-shifted down a bit, contrasted perfectly when the Ancient One makes him astral project out of his body, where Banner looks normal and speaks faster and in Mark Ruffalo's normal voice pitch to differentiate the 2 forms of Banner really well.[[/labelnote]]


** Considering what we find out from the Ancient One about not being able to see the future past the death of the user of the Eye, does that mean that out of the 14,000,605 outcomes Strange looked out, he purposefully selected one outcome because he witnessed the complete outcome? If that's the case, how many outcomes where he died did he rule out that may have resulted in defeating Thanos and stopping the snap before he could perform it due to Strange not being able to witness it? And, being able to see the future of the one where they win, he knew that Gamora was dead but chose to keep quiet so that Starlord's outburst would result in the Time Stone being given to him and the events of Endgame could have occurred. Was Strange really thinking about everyone else when he said there was one outcome where they win and was a sure bet, or was he thinking of self-preservation when he found the one outcome where he continued to live and saw the outcome that showed they could defeat Thanos?

to:

** Considering what we find out from the Ancient One about not being able to see the future past the death of the user of the Eye, does that mean that out of the 14,000,605 outcomes Strange looked out, he purposefully selected one outcome because he witnessed the complete outcome? If that's the case, how many outcomes where he died did he rule out that may have resulted in defeating Thanos and stopping the snap before he could perform it due to Strange not being able to witness it? And, being able to see the future of the one where they win, he knew that Gamora was dead but chose to keep quiet so that Starlord's outburst would result in the Time Stone being given to him Thanos and the events of Endgame could have occurred. occurred with him coming back post-Snap. Was Strange really thinking about everyone else when he said there was one outcome where they win and it was a sure bet, or was he thinking of self-preservation when he found the one outcome where he continued to live and saw the outcome that showed they could defeat Thanos?Thanos, sacrificing Tony Stark's life so he could live?


** Considering what we find out from the Ancient One about not being able to see the future past the death of the user of the Eye, does that mean that out of the 14,000,605 outcomes Strange looked out, he purposefully selected one outcome because he witnessed the complete outcome? If that's the case, how many outcomes where he died did he rule out that may have resulted in defeating Thanos and stopping the snap before he could perform it due to Strange not being able to witness it? And, being able to see the future of the one where they win, he knew that Gamora was dead but chose to keep quiet so that Starlord's outburst would result in the Time Stone being given to him and the events of Endgame could have occurred. Was Strange really thinking about everyone else when he said there was one outcome where they win, or was he thinking of self-preservation when he found the one outcome where he continued to live and saw the outcome that showed they could defeat Thanos?

to:

** Considering what we find out from the Ancient One about not being able to see the future past the death of the user of the Eye, does that mean that out of the 14,000,605 outcomes Strange looked out, he purposefully selected one outcome because he witnessed the complete outcome? If that's the case, how many outcomes where he died did he rule out that may have resulted in defeating Thanos and stopping the snap before he could perform it due to Strange not being able to witness it? And, being able to see the future of the one where they win, he knew that Gamora was dead but chose to keep quiet so that Starlord's outburst would result in the Time Stone being given to him and the events of Endgame could have occurred. Was Strange really thinking about everyone else when he said there was one outcome where they win, win and was a sure bet, or was he thinking of self-preservation when he found the one outcome where he continued to live and saw the outcome that showed they could defeat Thanos?

Added DiffLines:

** Considering what we find out from the Ancient One about not being able to see the future past the death of the user of the Eye, does that mean that out of the 14,000,605 outcomes Strange looked out, he purposefully selected one outcome because he witnessed the complete outcome? If that's the case, how many outcomes where he died did he rule out that may have resulted in defeating Thanos and stopping the snap before he could perform it due to Strange not being able to witness it? And, being able to see the future of the one where they win, he knew that Gamora was dead but chose to keep quiet so that Starlord's outburst would result in the Time Stone being given to him and the events of Endgame could have occurred. Was Strange really thinking about everyone else when he said there was one outcome where they win, or was he thinking of self-preservation when he found the one outcome where he continued to live and saw the outcome that showed they could defeat Thanos?


** Black Widow's death was met with criticism that came with massive baggage based on Natasha's forced sterilization and Hawkeye being a devoted family man. [[https://film.avclub.com/avengers-endgame-doesn-t-earn-its-big-girl-power-mom-1834366317 Additionally,]] her death made the big "girl power" moment feel cheap for a lot of people. [[https://www.cbr.com/avengers-endgame-writers-on-black-widow-death/ The writers actually felt the need to address this controversy]], explaining that it was meant to be interpreted as Natasha finally "wiping the red from her ledger".

to:

** Black Widow's death was met with criticism that came with massive baggage based on Natasha's forced sterilization and Hawkeye being a devoted family man. [[https://film.avclub.com/avengers-endgame-doesn-t-earn-its-big-girl-power-mom-1834366317 Additionally,]] her death made the big "girl power" moment feel cheap for a lot of people. [[https://www.cbr.com/avengers-endgame-writers-on-black-widow-death/ The writers actually felt the need to address this controversy]], explaining that it was meant to be interpreted as Natasha finally "wiping the red from her ledger". It's also been revealed that the original script had Hawkeye being the one to die, and it was actually several female crew members who suggested it should be Natasha as a fitting end for the character.


** Speaking of Peggy, ''Film/CaptainAmericaCivilWar'' received some flak for what many fans considered to be an undignified close to the story of Peggy Carter, [[TooSoon especially coming so soon after]] ''Series/AgentCarter'' was cancelled. Now this movie pulls a CosmicRetcon by returning Steve Rogers to the past and turning this movie instead into the FullyAbsorbedFinale.

to:

** Speaking of Peggy, ''Film/CaptainAmericaCivilWar'' received some flak for what many fans considered to be an undignified close to the story of Peggy Carter, [[TooSoon especially coming so soon after]] after ''Series/AgentCarter'' was cancelled. Now this movie pulls a CosmicRetcon by returning Steve Rogers to the past and turning this movie instead into the FullyAbsorbedFinale.


** On that note, Tony [[PreMortemOneLiner declaring himself Iron Man]] and doing his own Snap to disintegrate Thanos and his forces, while Thanos himself watches and sits down in silence.

to:

** On that note, Tony [[PreMortemOneLiner declaring himself Iron Man]] and and, even at the cost of his own life, doing his own Snap to disintegrate Thanos and his forces, while Thanos himself watches and sits down in silence.



** Captain America [[spoiler:going back in time and marrying Peggy following the events of ''Series/AgentCarter'' can be seen as this towards Agent Daniel Sousa, who was initially thought to be the ideal candidate as the so-called husband Peggy mentioned in a 1950s interview shown in ''Film/CaptainAmericaTheWinterSoldier'', but this was quickly shattered following his infamous JerkassBall as a sexist hypocrite towards Peggy in the show's episode ''[[Recap/AgentCarterS1E7SNAFU SNAFU]]'' and not even the handling of the character in the show's last season could not ensured him RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap and only make him shamelessly come across as a result of damage control just to earn back his fanbase and make him more believable as Peggy's husband only to fall flat when viewers look back at the show following its cancellation. To some fans who meta-wise found his infamous moment as ThisIsUnforgivable and made him BeyondRedemption in the following episodes, Steve ultimately being the husband gives fanbase-fallen Sousa his just desserts.]]

to:

** Captain America [[spoiler:going going back in time and marrying Peggy following the events of ''Series/AgentCarter'' can be seen as this towards Agent Daniel Sousa, who was initially thought to be the ideal candidate as the so-called husband Peggy mentioned in a 1950s interview shown in ''Film/CaptainAmericaTheWinterSoldier'', but this was quickly shattered following his infamous JerkassBall as a sexist hypocrite towards Peggy in the show's episode ''[[Recap/AgentCarterS1E7SNAFU SNAFU]]'' and not even the handling of the character in the show's last season could not ensured him RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap and only make him shamelessly come across as a result of damage control just to earn back his fanbase and make him more believable as Peggy's husband only to fall flat when viewers look back at the show following its cancellation. To some fans who meta-wise found his infamous moment as ThisIsUnforgivable and made him BeyondRedemption in the following episodes, Steve ultimately being the husband gives fanbase-fallen Sousa his just desserts.]]


** Captain America [[spoiler:going back in time and marrying Peggy following the events of ''Series/AgentCarter'' can be seen as this towards Agent Daniel Sousa, who was initially thought to be the ideal candidate as the so-called husband Peggy mentioned in a 1950s interview shown in ''Film/CaptainAmericaThwWinterSoldier'', but this was quickly shattered following his infamous JerkassBall as a sexist hypocrite towards Peggy in the show's episode ''[[Recap/AgentCarterS1E7SNAFU SNAFU]]'' and not even the handling of the character in the show's last season could not ensured him RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap and only make him shamelessly come across as a result of damage control just to earn back his fanbase and make him more believable as Peggy's husband only to fall flat when viewers look back at the show following its cancellation. To some fans who meta-wise found his infamous moment as ThisIsUnforgivable and made him BeyondRedemption in the following episodes, Steve ultimately being the husband gives fanbase-fallen Sousa his just desserts.]]

to:

** Captain America [[spoiler:going back in time and marrying Peggy following the events of ''Series/AgentCarter'' can be seen as this towards Agent Daniel Sousa, who was initially thought to be the ideal candidate as the so-called husband Peggy mentioned in a 1950s interview shown in ''Film/CaptainAmericaThwWinterSoldier'', ''Film/CaptainAmericaTheWinterSoldier'', but this was quickly shattered following his infamous JerkassBall as a sexist hypocrite towards Peggy in the show's episode ''[[Recap/AgentCarterS1E7SNAFU SNAFU]]'' and not even the handling of the character in the show's last season could not ensured him RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap and only make him shamelessly come across as a result of damage control just to earn back his fanbase and make him more believable as Peggy's husband only to fall flat when viewers look back at the show following its cancellation. To some fans who meta-wise found his infamous moment as ThisIsUnforgivable and made him BeyondRedemption in the following episodes, Steve ultimately being the husband gives fanbase-fallen Sousa his just desserts.]]


** Captain America [[spoiler:going back in time and marrying Peggy following the events of ''Series/AgentCarter'' can be seen as this towards Agent Daniel Sousa, who was initially thought to be the ideal candidate as the so-called husband Peggy mentioned in a 1950s interview shown in ''Film/CaptainAmericaThwWinterSoldier'', but this was quickly shattered following his infamous JerkassBall as a sexist hypocrite towards Peggy in the show's episode ''[[Recap/AgentCarterS1E7SNAFU SNAFU]]'' and not even the handling of the character in the show's last season could not ensured him RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap and only make him shamelessly come across as a result of damage control just to earn back his fanbase and make him more believable as Peggy's husband only to fall flat when viewers look back at the show following its cancellation. To some fans who meta-wise found his infamous moment as ThisIsUnforgivable and made him BeyondRedemption in the following episodes, Steve ultimately being the husband gives the Sousa his just desserts.]]

to:

** Captain America [[spoiler:going back in time and marrying Peggy following the events of ''Series/AgentCarter'' can be seen as this towards Agent Daniel Sousa, who was initially thought to be the ideal candidate as the so-called husband Peggy mentioned in a 1950s interview shown in ''Film/CaptainAmericaThwWinterSoldier'', but this was quickly shattered following his infamous JerkassBall as a sexist hypocrite towards Peggy in the show's episode ''[[Recap/AgentCarterS1E7SNAFU SNAFU]]'' and not even the handling of the character in the show's last season could not ensured him RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap and only make him shamelessly come across as a result of damage control just to earn back his fanbase and make him more believable as Peggy's husband only to fall flat when viewers look back at the show following its cancellation. To some fans who meta-wise found his infamous moment as ThisIsUnforgivable and made him BeyondRedemption in the following episodes, Steve ultimately being the husband gives the fanbase-fallen Sousa his just desserts.]]


** Captain America [[spoiler:going back in time and marrying Peggy following the events of ''Series/AgentCarter'' can be seen as this towards Agent Daniel Sousa, who was initially thought to be the ideal candidate as the so-called husband Peggy mentioned in a 1950s interview shown in ''Film/CaptainAmericaThwWinterSoldier'', but this was quickly shattered following his infamous JerkassBall as a sexist hypocrite towards Peggy in the show's episode ''[[Recap/AgentCarterS1E7SNAFU SNAFU]]'' and not even the handling of the character in the show's last season could not ensured him RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap and only make him shamelessly come across as a MartyStu as a result of damage control just to earn back his fanbase and make him more believable as Peggy's husband only to fall flat when viewers look back at the show following its cancellation. To some fans who meta-wise found his infamous moment as ThisIsUnforgivable and made him BeyondRedemption in the following episodes, Steve ultimately being the husband gives the Sousa his just desserts.]]

to:

** Captain America [[spoiler:going back in time and marrying Peggy following the events of ''Series/AgentCarter'' can be seen as this towards Agent Daniel Sousa, who was initially thought to be the ideal candidate as the so-called husband Peggy mentioned in a 1950s interview shown in ''Film/CaptainAmericaThwWinterSoldier'', but this was quickly shattered following his infamous JerkassBall as a sexist hypocrite towards Peggy in the show's episode ''[[Recap/AgentCarterS1E7SNAFU SNAFU]]'' and not even the handling of the character in the show's last season could not ensured him RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap and only make him shamelessly come across as a MartyStu as a result of damage control just to earn back his fanbase and make him more believable as Peggy's husband only to fall flat when viewers look back at the show following its cancellation. To some fans who meta-wise found his infamous moment as ThisIsUnforgivable and made him BeyondRedemption in the following episodes, Steve ultimately being the husband gives the Sousa his just desserts.]]


* StrawmanHasAPoint: It's meant to show how far Clint has fallen without his family by murdering criminals, but he's not wrong when calling out ''yakuza'' members for having survived the snap and ''still'' committing organized crime. The one who fights with VillanousValor doesn't even have a response before he's gunned down.
* TakeThatScrappy: Star-Lord's ButtMonkey status (his past self getting mocked by Nebula and War Machine before being knocked out to get the Power Stone, his present self being kneed three times in the groin by Past Gamora, still afraid of being overshadowed by Thor who has now joined the Guardians) is very satisfying for everyone who hadn't forgiven him for screwing up the plan in ''Film/AvengersInfinityWar'' and letting Thanos succeed.

to:

* StrawmanHasAPoint: It's meant to show how far Clint has fallen without his family by murdering criminals, but he's not wrong when calling out ''yakuza'' members for having survived the snap and ''still'' committing organized crime. The one who fights with VillanousValor VillainousValor doesn't even have a response before he's gunned down.
* TakeThatScrappy: TakeThatScrappy:
**
Star-Lord's ButtMonkey status (his past self getting mocked by Nebula and War Machine before being knocked out to get the Power Stone, his present self being kneed three times in the groin by Past Gamora, still afraid of being overshadowed by Thor who has now joined the Guardians) is very satisfying for everyone who hadn't forgiven him for screwing up the plan in ''Film/AvengersInfinityWar'' and letting Thanos succeed.succeed.
** Captain America [[spoiler:going back in time and marrying Peggy following the events of ''Series/AgentCarter'' can be seen as this towards Agent Daniel Sousa, who was initially thought to be the ideal candidate as the so-called husband Peggy mentioned in a 1950s interview shown in ''Film/CaptainAmericaThwWinterSoldier'', but this was quickly shattered following his infamous JerkassBall as a sexist hypocrite towards Peggy in the show's episode ''[[Recap/AgentCarterS1E7SNAFU SNAFU]]'' and not even the handling of the character in the show's last season could not ensured him RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap and only make him shamelessly come across as a MartyStu as a result of damage control just to earn back his fanbase and make him more believable as Peggy's husband only to fall flat when viewers look back at the show following its cancellation. To some fans who meta-wise found his infamous moment as ThisIsUnforgivable and made him BeyondRedemption in the following episodes, Steve ultimately being the husband gives the Sousa his just desserts.]]


** Thanos mentions destroying the Infinity Stones because after having used them to enact his culling of the universe, they only exist as a temptation now. Did he mean solely as a temptation for the heroes to set things right, or was ''he'' feeling tempted to try and reverse what happened out of a belief that it wasn't worth what it cost him? Or, was he feeling tempted to use the Stones to further exert his will upon the cosmos and destroyed them to prevent himself from sullying his "noble" mission? Also, if he recognized that his plan went badly, the Stones would present a temptation for him to go further down the slippery slope and try to destroy and recreate the entire universe according to his desires, like alternate Thanos planned to.

to:

** Thanos mentions destroying the Infinity Stones because after having used them to enact his culling of the universe, they only exist as a temptation now. Did he mean solely as a temptation for the heroes to set things right, or was ''he'' feeling tempted to try and reverse what happened out of a belief that it wasn't worth what it cost him? Or, was he feeling tempted to use the Stones to further exert his will upon the cosmos and destroyed them to prevent himself from sullying his "noble" mission? Also, if he recognized that his plan went badly, would the Stones would present have presented a temptation for him to go further down the slippery slope and try to destroy and recreate the entire universe according to his desires, like alternate Thanos planned to.to?



*** Was 2014 Thanosí better treatment of 2014 Nebula a legitimate attempt at being a better father, or was it merely a strategic move to prevent her betrayal?
** 2014 Thanosí motivation. He tries to present resetting the entire universe as the ultimate mercy, having come to realize erasing half the universe will leave the remaining half utterly miserable. Is he honestly thinking that? Or is he trying to salvage his initial idea of helping the universe through death by taking it to next level? Is it simply a knee-jerk reaction for how ungrateful everyone seems to be for his future sacrifices? Is he simply going more mad because he canít accept his entire life work to be a colossal failure?
** The conclusion of Thorís story arc raise a question: Did Thor ever personally want to be the king of Asgard, or was it a role he was groomed to assume no matter what? His first solo movie established he would have been a terrible ruler, and he seemed almost relieved when told Odin will keep on ruling for a while. ''The Dark World'' then shows him explaining to "Odin" that he dislikes rule and the only time he ever actually takes the crown is in ''Ragnarok'', which is thrust upon him. Now, he is outright leaving the remaining Asgardians to be ruled by Valkyrie. Going by all the events up to now, finding someone who could rule instead of him seemed inevitable.

to:

*** Was 2014 Thanosí Thanos' better treatment of 2014 Nebula a legitimate attempt at being a better father, or was it merely a strategic move to prevent her betrayal?
** 2014 Thanosí Thanos' motivation. He tries to present resetting the entire universe as the ultimate mercy, having come to realize erasing half the universe will leave the remaining half utterly miserable. Is he honestly thinking that? Or is he trying to salvage his initial idea of helping the universe through death by taking it to next level? Is it simply a knee-jerk reaction for how ungrateful everyone seems to be for his future sacrifices? Is he simply going more mad because he canít can't accept his entire life work to be a colossal failure?
failure?
*** In relation, how much of 2014 Thanos's personality is genuinely part of the overall character of Thanos, and how much of it is a result of [[ForWantOfANail the diverged timeline]] brought by the Avengers' meddling? Would 2018 Thanos have agreed with 2014 Thanos's plan to [[RestartTheWorld restart the universe]], or would his experiences in ''Infinity War'' have left him with a different worldview? It should be noted that 2014 Thanos specifically came from the time right before Gamora and Nebula left him, which served as catalysts for the CharacterDevelopment he would receive in ''Infinity War''.
** The conclusion of Thorís Thor's story arc raise a question: Did Thor ever personally want to be the king of Asgard, or was it a role he was groomed to assume no matter what? His first solo movie established he would have been a terrible ruler, and he seemed almost relieved when told Odin will keep on ruling for a while. ''The Dark World'' then shows him explaining to "Odin" that he dislikes rule and the only time he ever actually takes the crown is in ''Ragnarok'', which is thrust upon him. Now, he is outright leaving the remaining Asgardians to be ruled by Valkyrie. Going by all the events up to now, finding someone who could rule instead of him seemed inevitable.

Added DiffLines:

* IdiotPlot: A number of fans took note of how if the Avengers had just travelled back in time to when Thanos collected all six stones in Wakanda and steal those stones from him, the plot would have ended quickly and no casualties (most notably Nat and Tony) would have occurred. However, that also means that the film would have ended in an AntiClimax.


** Post-timeskip Thor is very obviously just Creator/Chris Hemsworth in a fat suit, which only contributes to the {{Narm}} factor in Thor's fall from grace.

to:

** Post-timeskip Thor is very obviously just Creator/Chris Hemsworth Creator/ChrisHemsworth in a fat suit, which only contributes to the {{Narm}} factor in Thor's fall from grace.



** The Russos' statement that ''Endgame'' introduced the first LGBT character in an MCU movie -- a man at Steve Rogers' therapy session, played by Joe Russo himself -- has caused backlash not only from [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GQWvv1fPeZY&t=166s members of the LGBT community]], who found that a nameless character with no story significance and a single scene was not exactly something to brag about, but [[https://io9.gizmodo.com/avengers-endgames-gay-representation-is-bullshit-1834338186 continuity sticklers]] given that Jeri Hogarth from ''Series/{{Jessica Jones|2015}}'' was a lesbian, Joey Gutierrez from ''Series/AgentsOfSHIELD'' was gay, and Valkyrie from ''Film/ThorRagnarok'' is bisexual, the latter especially getting backlash due to Marvel originally refusing to shoot a scene that confirmed it despite both Tessa Thompson and Taika Waititi wanting to.

to:

** The Russos' statement that ''Endgame'' introduced the first LGBT character in an MCU movie -- a man at Steve Rogers' therapy session, played by Joe Russo himself -- has caused backlash not only from [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GQWvv1fPeZY&t=166s members of the LGBT community]], who found that a nameless character with no story significance and a single scene was not exactly something to brag about, but [[https://io9.gizmodo.com/avengers-endgames-gay-representation-is-bullshit-1834338186 continuity sticklers]] given that Jeri Hogarth from ''Series/{{Jessica Jones|2015}}'' was a lesbian, Joey Gutierrez from ''Series/AgentsOfSHIELD'' was gay, and Valkyrie from ''Film/ThorRagnarok'' is bisexual, the latter especially getting backlash due to Marvel originally refusing to shoot a scene that confirmed it despite both Tessa Thompson Creator/TessaThompson and Taika Waititi Creator/TaikaWaititi wanting to.

Showing 15 edit(s) of 1067

Top

How well does it match the trope?

Example of:

/

Media sources:

/

Report