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open When the villain attempts to place responsibility on the hero Film
Very often in action films, there will be a scene where the villain has captured some hostages, or is about to release the super-weapon, and says that the The Hero will be morally responsible for all these deaths unless The Villain gets what he wants. This is obviously wrong as The Villain is both practically and morally responsible for their own actions.
Is there an existing Trope that describes this? It is similar to Accomplice by Inaction, but it is more about misplaced morality/responsibility.
Edited by StrangeopenStar Wars Expanded Universe Film
The Star Wars Expanded Universe page includes the theatrical Star Wars films, all of them dating back to Star Wars in 1977.
It would seem logical that the theatrical films should not be on the Franchise index for Expanded Universe. The film are base canon (or whatever you'd call that). The Expanded Universe is everything else that's grown out of the theatrical features—cartoons, radio dramas, books, comic books, the Holiday Special, blah blah blah. You can't expand something from itself.
EDIT: The movies are also in Star Wars Legends.
Edited by jamespolkopenPermission to Relocate Film/ZapruderFilm Film
[Markings as private; wasn't sure the best way to go about it]
Following the discussion in another lengthy ATT thread, the dominant consensus (12 in favor, 4 against) seems to be to move the article to the Useful Notes namespace, cut the trope list, and maybe expand on the footage's influence and how it has been used in works.
However, I wanted to obtain a go-ahead before making such a move; early in the conversation Septimus Heap indicated they disagreed with my original query, but it didn't seem like a solid verdict. Considering the discussion that had since transpired, I wanted to get a solid answer.
Edited by SeptimusHeapopenHiding Spoilers Film
I just created an account yesterday so I can add posts for my favorite movie, ( since it premired in February, there's has been a lack of new updates ) and I don't know how to hide spoilers. Please help.
Edited by CKH20112018openCartoon from the 90s or earlier, animals on a train? Film
I’m not sure if it was a tv show but I was born in ‘95 and I have brothers older than me so it could’ve been from before the 90s but all I can remember from this show is it was cartoon animals and they were going on a train I think maybe to the beach? And in one part a hippo loses her earring down the drain on the train and an anteater helps her get it out. It’s literally not that important but I would just love to know what it’s called so I can remind my brothers, we would watch it a lot
openNot kosher entry. Film
Found this on the Solo YMMV page by Troper Pren:
- Fandom Berserk Button: Even with the film being an undeniable Box Office Bomb, unlike when The Last Jedi was hit with the claim against all sanity, it's still a sore point when the alt-right conspirators trying to destroy the franchise claim this as their doing. In particular, it's often rebutted with how the only film in the revived franchise to date to lose money is also the only one with a white male lead.
This is....yeah no, this needs to go. No valid claims about "alt-right conspirators", and the troper seems to be shoehorning a political Take That! against people who seem to disagree about the film not making a lot of money. Also, white male lead isn't the issue, if anything its that the movie exists at all that some dislike.
Edit: This troper has been going around and making some very political laced claims across several other pages it seems. For example they added this on One Day at a Time (2017).
- Counterpart Comparison: One brought up by Netflix itself, as after the Roseanne revival was cancelled due to Roseanne Barr's racist Tweets, Netflix made their own Tweet about how they also currently have a reboot of a classic sitcom about a working class family that deals with a bunch of political issues, twisting the knife by pointing out how theirs is still going.
Might need to talk to them about them pushing political based opinions in areas that don't seem to be there. Trying to find a good way to word it so apologies.
Edited by keyblade333openExample or Complaining? Film
From Film.The Last Jedi:
- Double Standard: Abuse, Female on Male: The movie has a serious problem with this.
- Rey versus Luke. Just imagine a young man with combat training initiating a fight with an old woman by whacking her on the head.
- Rose abuses Finn quite a lot throughout the movie – especially when they first meet, and her transgressions include everything from personal insults to outright violence. All of it adds a disturbing subtext to their possible romantic relationship.
- The way Leia and Holdo treat of Poe. In Leia’s case, she slaps and shoots Poe, her subordinate and surrogate son, in public, and not a single person acknowledges that her actions are a gross violation of their professional and personal relationship. In Holdo’s case, many of her actions (name-calling, hostile sarcasm, and withholding information) are forms of emotional abuse.
Given all the controversy TLJ is attracting, I must question this. Thoughts?
openFilm/ZapruderFilm Film
I seriously question the inclusion of Zapruder Film as a tropable piece of media. Troping real life is explicitly not allowed, and that's exactly what the raw unedited footage essentially is. Not to mention that some trope entries are really rather tasteless in this context.
Given its recognition by the National Film Registry and historical significance, however, I think the description could be transferred to a Useful Notes page while removing the tropes section. Otherwise the Film entry should be cutlisted (or, following a namespace transfer, turned into a redirect).
Edited by mahidevransopenJurassic Park/World character page Film
With the release of Jurassic World Fallen Kingdom coming up, and seeing that that its character page is split up in individual pages for each film, I propose splitting all the film pages into categories similar to other franchise pages, such as the Marvel Cinematic Universe and Star Wars character pages. Any other thoughts or objections...?
Edited by The10thGeekopenArtistic License- History trope for the film Christopher Robin Film
I'm having a bit of heated discussion with another user for the film Christopher Robin (not to be confused with Goodbye Christopher Robin). This troper feels that because the book Christopher Robin is inspired by a real person Artistic License History applies but this upcoming move is based on the fictional Winnie the Pooh books with the plot being of Christopher Robin reuniting with Pooh and the gang. I explained as much to the troper when I deleted their entry only for them to readd it (which is against the rules I believe). I have been discussing it with them but they are refusing to budge from their opinion that the Christopher Robin is the one from from real life even though there so called evidence says that this story is fantasy and the wife and daughter in the film are made up and not based on the real CR's family. I don't know what to do so if someone could advise and/or help me out that would be great. I apologize if asking here is a bad move but the fact that me and the user have such strong opinions and no one else seems to be adding into the discussion I fear that talking with them any longer will eventually become a very nasty fight.
Edited by LadyErinNYopen Professor Pop-In Film
Is there a trope name for when a senior profeaaor/principal/dean/teacher enters another of his brethren's classrooms to watch them at work.An example would be Marcus Brody doing just that to Dr Jones in Raiders and Last Crusade.
open Villain is shown mercy, attacks anyway, gets killed Film
This is a trope I've seen at least twice, and I'm wondering if it's already listed on this Wiki. The Hero and the Villain have their final fight, the Villain is defeated, but still alive (usually lying on the ground in pain), and instead of killing him, the Hero makes the wrenching but moral decision to spare his life. Momentarily, it seems as if the Villain might accept the offer, but then he shows he is irredeemable by attempting a sneak attack on the Hero. Either the Hero or some third person then kills the Villain.
This occurs in the final battles in "The Postman" (1997) and "Hook" (1991), and I'm sure many more films.
openExample deleted on YMMV.JusticeLeague2017. Again. Film
This What An Idiot example got deleted from the page again:
- What An Idiot: The Amazons, Atlanteans, and Humans each took one of the three Mother Boxes for safekeeping.
- You'd expect: The Humans to build a stronghold for their box (or at least place it in an already existing fortress) and keep it heavily guarded, like the Amazons and Atlanteans did.
- Instead: The Humans bury their box under a couple of feet of dirt, in some random forest, and ultimately forget about it.
This example was deleted once before, when I brought it up here I was told that the edit reason given then was Speculative Troping and I could restore it. Saveelich gave this edit reason when they deleted it this time:
- "As for the humans, it's better for them to forget about where the Mother Box is hidden, so no tribe will be tempted to attack the stronghold where it would be hidden, since, you know, they are easily corruptible and divided."
Again, I don't recall any mention of tribes or mankind being particularly corruptible. Either way, they still could've left it somewhere more secure and then forgotten about it, so this still applies in my opinion.
Edited by Primisopen tv show (possibly movie) about a salesman? Film
trying to find out the name of this tv series from a few years ago, maybe 2005-2010 sometime. From memory, it was a show about a guy who was hired to work as some sort of a salesman or something in a warehouse which was full of boxes, but i don't think they told him what was in them. it was some sort of a scam in the end whereby the guy he working for was just out to steal his money. I think the title of it was quite long, something like "the unfortunate case of john smith and ..". Thanks for any help!
open Episode of hospital show? Film
Looking for a hospital show or episode of what I think is Grey's anatomy. One of the patiens is dieing of what I think is cancer. From what I remember she's in a coma and they are able to bring her hout for just a few more hours so everyone can say goodbye to her. It's incredibly sad but I can't remember where I saw it.
openEdit War on YMMV.Solo Film
Saveelich and patriciovalencia117 are swapping one entry on YMMV.Solo back and forth between Audience-Alienating Premise and Internet Backdraft without so much as communicating with each other or bringing it to discussion. Saveelich in particular fails to comprehend what constitutes an Edit War and even has the gall to tell me off about it.
Edited by AnoBakaDesuopensiberia82 Film
We're not supposed to link to character pages as if they were work pages right? Becuase siberia82 has been potholing any references to the movie versions of Professor X and Magneto to, Characters.X Men Film Series Professor Charles Xavier and Characters.X Men Film Series Magneto respectively, as seen here for example.
open Esoteric Happy Ending example? Film
"* Frozen ends on a supposedly happy note with Anna and Elsa finally reunited after 13 years of separation, Elsa learning to feel again and learn to control her powers, and the citizens completely adoring their new queen of Arendelle. However, even though Anna and Elsa do reconcile with each other, it still doesn't change the fact that they lost all the potential childhood they could have with each other for nothing and due to not knowing the other during that time, they are essentially complete strangers and have to restart their relationship completely from scratch, particularly when things are so much more complicated in their adulthood than they do as children which makes a close bond between them uncertain. There also the fact that even though Elsa managed to control her powers through love, depression and trauma doesn't really go away overnight and due to having spent a really long time in isolation, it would only be time before she reverts to her old habits again, especially since Anna has never been informed the reason why Elsa isolated herself in the first place meaning that even her sister wouldn't be able to help her from depression. Furthermore, a sudden change in weather and an Endless Winter for three days must surely brought some casualties for the citizens either by hypothermia or famine and given the fact that the queen's response to the whole thing is to abandon her kingdom, she certainly doesn't make a good first impression in front of the citizen and would likely have a lot of people out for her blood compared to Hans whose first action as the new king is to them blanket for cover and is supposedly trying to execute the witch for the goodness of the kingdom. It's also been established that Weselton is Arendelle's largest trading partner and by having Elsa cut all ties, it leaves the kingdom hard-pressed to find another close trading partner and given Elsa's actions during the coronation, it is very unlikely that other kingdoms would even trust their new queen to open up a new trading partner, leaving the kingdom in great turmoil. Realistically, it could actually take years, if not decades for them to fix almost all the issues listed above and it is very likely that another trouble could prove even more irrepairable damage on both the kingdom and the sister's relationship. On another issue, Hans being sent back to his family is supposed to be seen as merciful fate where everyone agree that its for his best except that by sending him back home, he is sent back to his abusive family where they would undoubtedly bully him even more, with the implication that he will never be able to escape from his terrible life, unlike Anna."
Is this an example or people reading way too into things?
Edited by lalalei2001openReality Ensues Film
Does RealityEnsues.Power Rangers 2017 have enough genuine examples to have its own page? I had to cut RealityEnsues.Hulk earlier for having poorly-formatted non-examples.
Edited by lalalei2001
I'm looking for cartoon/name, it's and older cartoon..probably 70-80-90's..it was about a little girl with short golden hair, that I think lived in the some sort of magical forest with her mushroom friends protecting her against bald man who was always trying to steal her hair so he could wear it, he always pictured him self in the mirror with her hair but always failed to steal it from her. anyone know the name of that cartoon plz???