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Doesnt seem heionus enough.

Well, it was worth a shot.

I am not really surprised. The Heinous Standard in that game is fucking ridiculous.

Edited by SkyCat32 on Apr 15th 2019 at 12:57:09 PM

to 153.

Based on the EP, to 153 for reasons of lack of heinousness.

@SkyCat Sorry. I often consider lack of heinousness the weakest reason to not include someone because if their personality is unapologetic enough and the disturbed factor is there, it should mean more than that.

I at first thought Ego's death was more of a relief than it was satisfying, but then I realized: the human form of Kurt Russell (basically his consciousness) is the relief, the planet, his actual physical form, collapsing on itself is actually VERY satisfying.

Edited by futuremoviewriter on Apr 15th 2019 at 10:18:17 AM

No to 153.

No need to apologize, future.

Edited by SkyCat32 on Apr 15th 2019 at 1:19:30 PM

There was barely anything there though. You see my edit to my previous post?

You do realize I suggested the bit about crimes standing out to the laconic, right?

And being insufficiently heinous is not a weak reason to exclude a candidate. It's quality control.

Anyways, I wasn't expecting the CEO to go up, if only because he is offscreen for most of the games, but since he's behind it all, he made the cut, while 153 & 154 did not. Also, the cruel experiments conducted by Systems Corp. are happening under his auspices, which puts him way above standard villains.

Let's move on.

Edited by SkyCat32 on Apr 15th 2019 at 1:32:52 PM

@Future: We cant just add every candiate for being an ass. They need to either be unique or bad enough for the series. The whole reasons that I didnt ep characters like Parker, Hope, John Blackmore or Jean Chastel from Mercy Thompson because while personality wise there douche bags or damn creepy, heinous wise there no where near the level of the current seven keepers.

Edited by miraculous on Apr 15th 2019 at 10:34:25 AM

@future What miraculous said. There might be legitimate grounds for debate regarding how heinousness should be judged, but it's one of the most important factors in determining whether a character counts as a CM IMO.

Edited by ImperialMajestyXO on Apr 15th 2019 at 10:38:49 AM

Hence why I suggested adding that bit about standing out to the laconic.

Edited by SkyCat32 on Apr 15th 2019 at 1:37:45 PM

@miraculous, @Imperial Yeah, I suppose it's more how I used to feel rather than how I feel now. I think I'm a lot more accepting now.

@SkyCat I meant the part about Ego.

@Lighty I got you started (that includes slight edits to Moriarty's entry as well). Also put them in the drafts too for convenience:

• Sherlock Holmes duology:
  • Sherlock Holmes (2009): Lord Henry Blackwood
  • Sherlock Holmes: A Game of Shadows: Professor James Moriarty, dubbed "The Napoleon of Crime" by Holmes, is a heartless criminal mastermind, as well as Holmes's equal and opposite in terms of intellect. After fatally poisoning Irene Adler to remove her from his employ, Moriarty makes it clear that he has no intention of sparing Watson or Watson's wife Mary if Holmes continues to interfere with his plans. True to his word, Moriarty tries to have Watson and Mary killed, destroying the train they were travelling on in the process. Engineering a plot to jumpstart World War I so that he can profit from the bloodshed through the sale of munitions, Moriarty enacts this plot through manipulation and murder, staging a series of bombings to increase tensions between nations, driving a French revolutionary to suicide, and having his henchman, Sebastian Moran, assassinate a businessman so Moriarty can acquire his company, killing many others in an explosion to conceal the murder. After capturing Holmes, Moriarty brutally tortures him with a meat hook, calmly singing Schubert as he does, going on to massacre many of Madame Simza's Gypsy tribe when they rescue Holmes. Having forced Simza's brother to act as an assassin, Moriarty plans to kill a dignitary at a peace summit to incite war. After this plan is thwarted and his assets are seized by the police, Moriarty intends to kill Holmes and his friends in revenge, only being stopped when Holmes throws them both over a waterfall. Ruthless, sadistic, callous, and cruel, Moriarty stands out as the most dangerous criminal Holmes has ever encountered.

Edited by futuremoviewriter on Apr 15th 2019 at 11:29:16 AM

So, it looks like no then. I guess that's fair.

I understand that you need to have rules in place for a trope like this, which is based on a definition of absolute badness. Because lots of people would want to declare so-and-so character a Complete Monster every time they see someone Kick the Dog and that's not what the trope is.

I just feel like you've over-corrected.

But whatever. I can also see that you've been doing this since 2010 at least and I'm not arrogant enough to think you'll change it just because I say so.

And come to think of it, Gus probably doesn't count anyway, because of a certain scene where he steals a music box and is described as feeling at peace for a while, which implies he could at least be placated and therefore might not meet the "irredeemable" qualification.

Black Magic duo, Holmes villain, Blackwood
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@acw: I found Familial Cannibalism Surprise. I think that'll work nicely for Nicky Cavella.

@Lighty Should there also be mention of Blackwood nearly killing Irene in the hog slicing machine or setting off the gunpowder that nearly kills her, Holmes and Watson?

Not needed

That works. I can cut The Dreaded pothole, since if I remember correctly (Lighty, correct me if I'm wrong) it's not so much standards as it is Cavella's so Ax-Crazy that other Mafiosi hate working with him since he's so uncontrollable.

Edited by ACW on Apr 15th 2019 at 2:41:08 PM

That and Cavella was only supposed to try to intimidate the other guys, not start a war by murdering his children.

to Blackwood. I debated proposing him myself a couple of times.

@Lighty Got it. Again, murdered FIVE women and attempted to kill a SIXTH just in case you missed when I said it before.

The Dreaded also dosent work for Nicky because from what I researcherd He is seen as a Pathetic Joke by several charachters. Such as this-

"Rawlins: Waah, I'm a big badass I killed my sister and my aunt. You talk in your sleep you little cunt"

Edited by Kylotrope on Apr 15th 2019 at 11:59:57 AM

to Kang

Nicky is The Dreaded to the mob. At first, but this is savagely torn apart and he ends up exposed as the joke he truly is.

• Monsters by Eiichiro Oda: Legendary swordsman and supposed hero Cyrano and his partner D.R are corrupt conmen who have an artifact to control a dragon. Having murdered a garrison under Cyrano's command years ago, the two set the dragon on a town to kill everyone, murdering stragglers themselves, to rob the place. Cyrano, upon seeing a young girl beg him to save her family, murdered her parents himself and used her to enhance his reputation as a hero. In the present, the two attempt to unleash the dragon on a new town to rob it and conceal the evidence as well as kill any witnesses who get in the way.
• Exiles: King Hyperion is a vicious superhuman from a world that he tried to conquer, resulting in a massive nuclear suicide that left him the only being alive. Later attempting to conquer a new world, he instead allows it to die thanks to that world's Magneto's actions, betraying heroes and slipping through new worlds where he kills countless beings to conquer their lands. Arriving in a parallel New York, he tries to kill one hundred hostages after murdering all the heroes therein, betraying and slaughtering his own if it suits him. Returning at the Timebreakers' headquarters, Hyperion plans to conquer the multiverse, no matter how many he has to kill along the way.
• Squadron Supreme: John M'butu is a metahuman general in Uganda who leads brutal purges of civilian populations, with rape and murder all-too common. Allying with foreign interests to keep a civil war going, M'butu initiates a genocide of rival tribes to strengthen himself and uses his Compelling Voice to control others, boasting he can use it to rape women or force men to die for him in the process.
• Call for Corpse Brides: Seemingly a respected pillar of the community, Martin Thoben is a callous marijuana dealer and white slave trader who uses marijuana to get women high and helpless before abducting them and faking their deaths. Once he has done so, he instead ships them out of the country into sex slavery, having done this to many unfortunate women while plotting to expand his operation throughout the Five Points to take even more, even trying to murder anyone else who uncovers his horrible business.
• Sherlock Holmes: The wicked Lord Henry Blackwood murders five women in occult rituals and is stopped from a sixth, though it is later revealed he has butchered far more. Supposedly returning from the dead, Blackwood begins purging his former Temple of the Four Orders organization of those insufficiently loyal, cruelly killing his own father and burning another man alive. Intending on starting a massive war to strengthen Britain and reclaim America, Blackwood intends on injecting cyanide gas into Parliament to kill all those there, except for his most loyal followers, standing as one of the most sinister and vile foes Holmes ever encounters.
• Theseus: Sciron and Sinis are a pair of bandits Thesus dispatches as part of his labors, and are two of the most vile of their type found in Greek mythology. Violators of hospitality, with sadistic operating procedures, Sciron lures travelers into paying tolls before throwing them to a giant turtle lurking below the rocks, while Sinis ties them between pine trees to have them ripped apart, both having a great number of victims until Thesus himself arrives.
• Sumerican myth: Lamashtu is the daughter of the benevolent god Anu. A savage monster who rejects all goodness, Lamashtu causes famines and droughts, spreading pestilence and disease in the process. Not content with this, Lamashtu induces miscarriages and will steal infants to murder them while also murdering pregnant women and innocent young mortals, rending them apart to eat them herself. So vile is Lamashtu that even another demon like Pazuzu may be invoked against her, being the most terrifying and remorseless monster in the entire pantheon.

• Blood books
  • Anwar Tawfik is a mummy wizard priest who worships the god Akhekh after losing status and power after Set was cast down. Reviving in the present down, Anwar begins devouring the Ka of citizens, absorbing their life and souls while plotting a massive sacrifice to summon Akhekh for greater power. Not content with this, Anwar roams the streets, murdering those he encounters but with a special love for the life of children. Anwar targets and drains children, even killing a baby he passes at one point, all because he savors their lost lives all the more.
  • Dr. Mui is an organ trafficker who sees a way to more money than her more sympathetic employer Ronald Swanson intended. Targeting the poor and desperate, Mui brings them in to supposedly draw blood and perhaps donate a kidney, but drugs them, drains them of blood and removes the organs to sell on the black market before discarding the bodies. Mui begins killing a great deal of innocents, plotting to simply blame Swanson and skip out with the money, slowly draining detective Mike Celluci of blood when he uncovers her activities as well.

Edited by Lightysnake on Apr 15th 2019 at 12:21:50 PM

to Shian, Blackwood and Kang

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