During the investigation of recent hollers in the Complete Monster thread, it's become apparent to the staff that an insular, unfriendly culture has evolved in the Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard threads that is causing problems.
Specific issues include:
- Overzealous hollers on tropers who come into the threads without being familiar with all the rules and traditions of the tropes. And when they are familiar with said rules and traditions, they get accused (with little evidence) of being ban evaders.
- A few tropers in the thread habitually engage in snotty, impolite mini-modding. There are also regular complaints about excessive, offtopic "socializing" posts.
- Many many thread regulars barely post/edit anywhere else, making the threads look like they are divorced from the rest of TV Tropes.
- Following that, there are often complaints about the threads and their regulars violating wiki rules, such as on indexing, crosswicking, example context and example categorization. Some folks are working on resolving the issues, but...
- Often moderator action against thread regulars leads to a lot of participants suddenly showing up in the moderation threads to protest and speak on their behalf, like a clique.
It is not a super high level problem, but it has been going on for years and we cannot ignore it any longer. There will be a thread in Wiki Talk
to discuss the problem; in the meantime there is a moratorium on further Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard example discussion until we have gotten this sorted out.
Update: The new threads have been made and can be found here:
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What is the Work
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Who is the Candidate and What have they Done?
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Do they have any Mitigating Factors or Freudian Excuse?
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Do they meet the Heinousness Standard?
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Final Verdict?
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Edited by GastonRabbit on Aug 31st 2023 at 4:14:10 AM
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Eh, I'll just use the YMMV one for Sabrina.
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The MILF Virus
To the person who asked about Trinity Blood and Caine, I've checked and the guy doesn't count. Main issue is that the guy literally appears at the end of the anime and lacks screen-time to show his heinousness. Sure they showed some in a flashback, but I don't think it's enough. Also Caine's mentality is questionable considering he was driven insane by nanomachines.
Not saying it's impossible, but there are strong doubts with this guy base on first-hand experience. Or maybe it's just because I didn't like Trinity Blood at all and got bored at the end.
"Are you the devil?" "Don't compare to me to those small fry" - Mir
New proposal, from Daimajin.
Who's the candidate?
Odate Samanosuke, an ambitious samurai.
What does he do?
While most of his lord Hanabasa's villagers are away doing a religious ritual, Odate arranges a coup d'etat against him. Killing his liege, he then starts slashing his way through any loyalists who stand between him and slaughtering the man's family. He eventually tries to simoly burn down a stable with Hanabasa's children Kozasa and Tadafumi inside, though they manage to escape. Immediately after securing his power, Odate bans unauthorized punlic gatherings, having his goons disperse the aforementioned ceremony at swordpoint and threaten to kill anybody who violates the rule.
Ten years pass, and Odate's rule has been incredibly cruel. He's enslaved all the peasant men, forcing them to move heavy rocks in the hot son so he can build a fort for his path of conquest, and having them whipped if they slow down or collapse from illness. Meanwhile, all their crops are taken as taxes, the people left to starve. Kogenta, the samurai who rescued the Hanabasa siblings, goes to the village in disguise to see if the time is right for a Rightful King Returns, but is captured. Odate has him tortured with hot pokers to get him to reveal if the siblings are alive, ultimately taking his silence as a confession and leaving him bloody and broken in the stocks to lure our heroes out in the open.
However, this was a ruse. Tadafumi goes to rescue Kogenta, but it was actually some other guy so Odate could capture him. The local priestess appeals to Odate to stop his cruelty, but Odate simply butchers her and orders the icon of her god destroyed out of spite.
The god is the title character, so it goes about as well as you'd expect. As Daimajin heads to the village, Odate is preparing to crucify both Tadafumi and Kogenta. When a young boy shows up to warn about the god's coming, Odate orders him killed for interrupting him, only being stopped by Hanabusa lpyalists coming to rescue their prince. Odate's men subdue the spldiers, and Odate orders them all cricified too when Daimajin shows up. The god wrecks Odate's entire army, then impales him with the chisel his men rried to use on him.
Heinousness?
There are sequels, but I haven't seen them. As for this film, Big Bad, sets it.
Mitigating factors?
None, he's just a ruthless usurper who wants power for its own sake.
Verdict?
![[tup]](https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/Thumbs_up_emoticon_3268.png "[thumb up]"){kind=small}
Edited by DemonDuckofDoom on Nov 19th 2018 at 1:23:00 AM
The MILF Virus
Samanosuke
Me in a nutshell (Coping with Depression)
Yea on Odate
@Newton Hmmmm so almost like Tathagatha Killer's case but not heinous enough. And yeah, think I'm cool for not seeing this show unless Lighty made a case of it. Also, I clearly just wanted to find more female CM villains so eh...
Also Newton... Can I PM you what kind of the old entry you want to rewrite?
Edited by ElfenLiedFan90 on Nov 19th 2018 at 4:26:07 PM
"Making screw-ups and mistakes was I ever really good at. Because everything I touch went to hell."
Goku Black
Odate
The MILF Virus
If Lighty or you wants to check Trinity Blood, then that's fine. There might be a candidate or two considering what happens in the show, but I rather not rewatch it considering I didn't really enjoy it. The first episode was excellent and the first arc was interesting, then it got tiring very quickly.
"Are you the devil?" "Don't compare to me to those small fry" - Mir
Me in a nutshell (Coping with Depression)
Hmmmm alright. That makes sense. Been plagued by my to-do list btw and expect some candidates that I want to propose on the parameter this week. One from an old anime that I'm unsure of, one from a bad movie and the rest could potentially come from anime/mangas that i want to watch/read or webcomics.
"Making screw-ups and mistakes was I ever really good at. Because everything I touch went to hell."
Unofficial Wiki Curator for Complete Monster
Odate.
Let me start the Arrowverse de-potholing with this one:
- Zoom, real name Hunter Zolomon, is a sociopathic speedster from Earth-2 and season 2's Big Bad. Originally a Serial Killer with 23 victims to his name, after getting Super-Speed, Zoom reveled in terrorizing Central City. Left dying from abusing the Velocity drug, Zoom kidnaps Jay Garrick, the Flash of Earth-3, hoping to steal his speed to save his own life. When this fails, Zoom steals Jay's identity, acting as the Flash to create hope for the sake of destroying it as Zoom, while imprisoning the real Jay as a trophy. When the breaches to Earth-1 opened, Zoom plotted to force Barry Allen to become faster in order to steal his speed. Sending metahumans with orders to kill the Flash, Zoom also posed as Jay to earn Barry's trust. Over the course of the season, Zoom murders dozens of people, innocents, police, and his own minions alike. Confronting the Flash for the first time as Zoom, he brutally beats Barry, fractures his spine, and displays his broken body to all of Central City. Zoom also holds Harry Wells's daughter Jesse hostage, using her to try and coerce Harry into stealing the Flash's speed for him. After being cured of his condition, Zoom decides to terrorize Earth-1, unleashing an army of metahumans on Central City. When his army is defeated by the Flash, Zoom kidnaps Barry's father Henry, then murders him in front of Barry. As his endgame, Zoom intends to use a doomsday device to destroy the entire multiverse, sparing only Earth-1 to keep as his personal domain. A brutal, sadistic maniac devoid of remorse, Zoom is a terrifying monster who darkens every scene in which he appears.
Odate.
Favours and Odate
to Colonel Henry Favours and Odate Samansouke.
"Cool. Coolcoolcool."
Unofficial Wiki Curator for Complete Monster
Next up for de-potholing: Sonic, Arrowverse, Fire Emblem.
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Shin Megami Tensei IV
Odate Samanosuke
Good find, Duck. Aye there.
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DDD, have you seen the sequels? It looks like there are 2 of them.
![[down]](https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/smiles/arrow_down.png "[down]"){kind=icon}
Oh, well then. Never mind ![[lol]](https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/lol2v12_4863.png "[lol]"){kind=small}
Edited by ACW on Nov 19th 2018 at 11:00:55 AM
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Lizzid people!
He just said that he didn't see the other films in the EP.
Odate.
Looks like I'm not late at all. Odate.
Yes to Odate
Barb(Its a thread joke you wouldn't get it)
to odate
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Goku Black
Oh speaking of the arrowverse. So who wants to take the new crossover Elseworlds (2018). Its badguy is none other than Dr Destiny himself (Renamed here as John Deegan). Considering like every adaption of this guy I can think off qualfies, thats one to keep an eye out on
"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
![[tup]](https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/Thumbs_up_emoticon_3268.png "[thumb up]")
favours
"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."